911 call of man who killed two burglars at neighbors house

[Drayonis]

First, what he did is not against the law
It's being investigated but I doubt he'll be charged
This is Texas, remember that...we can do that
Second, he did give them a warning before he shot them
Fuck criminals, I've got no sympathy for em
They should hold a fucking parade for this man

This debate has been raging on Talk Radio all over Houston. As a homeowner in Houston even if "Racism" was involved I say fuck 'em! They shouldn't have been stealing in the first place. My friends brother got killed doing the same shit a few years ago and his own father co-signed with the shooter. If he didn't break in he wouldn't have gotten shot. Every hard working citizen who has had things stolen from him can totally agree that thieves need to be shot on site.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

At night???
Where the fuck did you get that from?
Please show me the Texas state law where it says you can only shoot an intruder at night
What would you do if that was you?
Call 911 like a little bitch and wait for the cops to show up 3 hours later after they've already taken all your shit and maybe even fucked your girl while you watched?

Peace,

I got that from Texas law. You might want to familiarize yourself with it if you intend to repeat the actions of your 911 hero.

Again, did you read the article? It really doesn't sound like you did. It sounds like you just want an excuse to rail against criminals like a true angry right wing fanatic. These burglars weren't breaking into the shooter's home. They were crossing his lawn to get to their car when he came out and shot them.

 

[alexw]

stop bigging up Texas

this doesnt look good for the state

yes these dude were robbers

but next time they wont be

and some old white bastard is going to shoot/murder some innocent people based on his assumptions

 

[moblack]

How many guns you keep in yo mammy house?

I just actually cleaned my K.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Isnt it a good that criminals know they could get shot if they get caught by neighborhood watch? Mofos will def think twice about robbing that old mans hood...

Me personally I dont think the laws are harsh enough when it comes to crime. If mofos would be instantly put infront of a firing squad for crimes like in China we wouldnt have half the crime we do.

Peace,

You're leaving the gate wide open for innocents to be slaughtered because they were mistaken for criminals.

 

[Drayonis]

I don't agree with the posters that think this is a racial issue. No matter what played out in this entire issue these are all grown men that made grown ass man decisions. "Hey man lets go rob somebody we need bla bla bla and I don't have a job so lets go do it."
"Oh shit somebody's fuckin up my neighbors house damn!!!! Well fuck it they ain't fuckin with my shit so I'mma call 911 and see what they say........Shit what if they get me next?? *cocks 12 guage goes outside offers option blasts 2 dudes* "Shit they shouldnt have been robbing anybody in the first place. Too bad they died!!"

My point is that if somebody can rob another mans house for shit that ain't his then fuckem they deserve to die.

Exactly. I'm seeing the same old "let's defend criminal behavior because they are black attitude too many times on this board". Some you cats should put cookies out for the crooks that break into your house (if they are black) ...me? I'm shooting....

 

[LSN]

I just actually cleaned my K.

Wow!

 

[Ill Paragraph]

This debate has been raging on Talk Radio all over Houston. As a homeowner in Houston even if "Racism" was involved I say fuck 'em! They shouldn't have been stealing in the first place. My friends brother got killed doing the same shit a few years ago and his own father co-signed with the shooter. If he didn't break in he wouldn't have gotten shot. Every hard working citizen who has had things stolen from him can totally agree that thieves need to be shot on site.

Peace,

I disagree with you. I moved to Texas about 3 years ago. It's probably one of the most lax states in the union when it comes to vigilantism. I certainly wouldn't want Texas state legislators to relax the laws even further, allowing people to shoot thieves "on site." What about cases of mistaken identity or plain misinterpretation?

I'm glad some of you cats aren't lawmakers.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Exactly. I'm seeing the same old "let's defend criminal behavior because they are black attitude too many times on this board". Some you cats should put cookies out for the crooks that break into your house (if they are black) ...me? I'm shooting....

Peace,

An another note, I like your art. Keep doing your thing.

 

[TRUFICTION]

The article still refers to the men as "suspected" burglars...the only witness was a gung-ho senile old white man...Gene Cisco talked about setting a precedent...if he walks this won't set a good one...it'll mean any "good ol' boy" can go out of his way to play cop just on suspicion aroused by seeing a person of color regardless of whether or not he is in any immediate danger...

LEROY YOU ARE THINKING FROM A PERSPECTIVE
BASED ON WHERE YOU COME FROM AND HOW YOU
UNDERSTAND THE LAW IN THAT REGION.
THINGS ARE VERY DIFFERENT IN TEXAS AND FLORIDA TOO.
GUNS ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE A WELCOME PART OF LIFE THERE.

THIS INCIDENT IS NOT A NEW ONE AND WILL NOT SET A PRECEDENT.
IT WILL BE BUSINESS AS USUAL IN TEXAS.

LIKE MY MAN SAID EARLIER
AND LIKE ALL THE SIGNS SAY WHEN YOU RIDE DOWN THE HIGHWAY
IN THAT STATE..........................DONT MESS WITH TEXAS.

How many guns you keep in yo mammy house?

MAN I GOTTA FIND THAT PIC OF HIM I HAD
SITTIN IN HIS MOMMAS KITCHEN
I JUST SAW THAT SHIT THE OTHER DAY TOO.

 

[LeroyDibiase]

A) It wasn't his house

B) You can defend YOUR property

C) Yeah it was robbers THIS time, but what if next time it's teens playing hide and go seek.

 

[LSN]

MAN I GOTTA FIND THAT PIC OF HIM I HAD
SITTIN IN HIS MOMMAS KITCHEN
I JUST SAW THAT SHIT THE OTHER DAY TOO.

Awwww man...please do...I am tired of this cat running his mouth from the safety of his mammy house...dude probably has to lock the door so his mom don't bust in on him watching porn...pee wee ass nigga up in grown folks' conversation...

 

[Ill Paragraph]

A) It wasn't his house

B) You can defend YOUR property

C) Yeah it was robbers THIS time, but what if next time it's teens playing hide and go seek.

Peace,

Believe it or not, in Texas you can defend your neighbor's property also.

 

[XXXplosive]

Peace,

I got that from Texas law. You might want to familiarize yourself with it if you intend to repeat the actions of your 911 hero.

Again, did you read the article? It really doesn't sound like you did. It sounds like you just want an excuse to rail against criminals like a true angry right wing fanatic. These burglars weren't breaking into the shooter's home. They were crossing his lawn to get to their car when he came out and shot them.

Wow, so having a hard stance against crime and criminals makes me a "right wing fanatic"??
So I'm sure it will burst your bubble to know that I've voted Democratic in the last 2 presidential elections and plan on voting for Obama in the next
My thing is, I just don't give a shit about criminals
And niggas like you need to stop giving criminals a pass just because they're black

 

[LSN]

Peace,

Believe it or not, in Texas you can defend your neighbor's property also.

Yeah where I am at they have what I call the "Punisher Laws"...were you can protect yourself or others that you may see in danger...I have to look and see if that includes protecting/defending other people's property as well...

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Peace,

I got that from Texas law. You might want to familiarize yourself with it if you intend to repeat the actions of your 911 hero.

Again, did you read the article? It really doesn't sound like you did. It sounds like you just want an excuse to rail against criminals like a true angry right wing fanatic. These burglars weren't breaking into the shooter's home. They were crossing his lawn to get to their car when he came out and shot them.

Wow, so having a hard stance against crime and criminals makes me a "right wing fanatic"??
So I'm sure it will burst your bubble to know that I've voted Democratic in the last 2 presidential elections and plan on voting for Obama in the next
My thing is, I just don't give a shit about criminals
And niggas like you need to stop giving criminals a pass just because they're black

Peace,

LIKE a right wing fanatic as in "You sound just LIKE a right wing fanatic." Same arguments.

At any rate, your last sentence doesn't make any sense at all. Not once in this entire thread have I defended those cats who got shot.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Sometimes over look race, cause precedents are much more important, of course the government knows this and might try to hang his ass [/b]

You're right, precedent is important & you can't just go blasting cats cause they robbing a house. He didn't know those people he calls "neighbors" and he don't know what was going on. Had that been yo black ass you'd be in jail. This dude is "out the state" with his family. 97.9 had a interesting morning segment on the radio here in Houston...dude is over 60, he knows what a "******" is and the fact he called a puerto rican & a mexican black shows you where his mind is. Pasadena is very redneckish anyway. Burn his ass or at least jail him like what happened to the granny who niggas who broke in her house.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Three things:
1. Is this real? Is so, wow!
2. I wasnt aware of any state allowing citizens to use deadly force to prevent property of another from being stolen. Thats prettty primitive stuff there.
3. I havent seen the statute but its safe to say that given the circumstances he will not be protected by law. This guy was the instigator, had malice, and created the entire confrontation after the crime had already been committed (he states that the crooks were "getting away" and he then went and chased them). IOW, he persued them, basically hunting them down and delivered his own form of justice after being told not to by 911 operator.

This guy is going to jail.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Three things:
1. Is this real? Is so, wow!
2. I wasnt aware of any state allowing citizens to use deadly force to prevent property of another from being stolen. Thats prettty primitive stuff there.
3. I havent seen the statute but its safe to say that given the circumstances he will not be protected by law. This guy was the instigator, had malice, and created the entire confrontation after the crime had already been committed (he states that the crooks were "getting away" and he then went and chased them). IOW, he persued them, basically hunting them down and delivered his own form of justice after being told not to by 911 operator.

This guy is going to jail.

Peace,

As much as I'd like to agree with you, don't be so sure. This place is like Dodge City sometimes.

 

[pantha266]

If you robbing people's houses in the middle of the day, maybe you need to be shot.

 

[TRUFICTION]

Three things:
1. Is this real? Is so, wow!
2. I wasnt aware of any state allowing citizens to use deadly force to prevent property of another from being stolen. Thats prettty primitive stuff there.
3. I havent seen the statute but its safe to say that given the circumstances he will not be protected by law. This guy was the instigator, had malice, and created the entire confrontation after the crime had already been committed (he states that the crooks were "getting away" and he then went and chased them). IOW, he persued them, basically hunting them down and delivered his own form of justice after being told not to by 911 operator.

This guy is going to jail.

IN SOME STATES
YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR AND NEIGHBORS PERSONAL AND REAL PROPERTY WITH DEADLY FORCE.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,

THATS THE WAY IT IS.

 

[Amajorfucup]

Peace,

As much as I'd like to agree with you, don't be so sure. This place is like Dodge City sometimes.

Sounds like it, especially if they allow that old bastard to walk. Insane man.

 

[Big 50]

Hey, I'm from TEXAS and fuck those crooks, but fuck that old man too!!! I feel he was wrong, but even though he did that his defence will have hella good arguments for the the old dude. It is true in Texas you can defent your property or your close neighbours. Yes they were hispanic. Yes I hate to say my homestate is true AMERIKKKAN and, because of the crooks race the dude will get off.

 

[Amajorfucup]

IN SOME STATES
YOU CAN PROTECT YOUR AND NEIGHBORS PERSONAL AND REAL PROPERTY WITH DEADLY FORCE.
YOU MAY NOT LIKE IT,

THATS THE WAY IT IS.

Understood, like i said, i was unaware of state law that allows for the use of deadly force to protect the property of others. Its nothing short of barbaric to me. A pure promotion of anarchy. Im sure all states with such nonsense on the books are far below the mason dixon line and that aint a coincidence.

Either way, the facts as shown/heard by that tape dont favor this geriatric dirty harry's innocence. Then again, you never know what form of justice is carried out in the backwoods of texas when he is judged by a jury of his pale faced, lowerclass, toothless, uneducated peers.

 

[CervixThumper]

If you set a precedent that you will be confronted with guns and possibly shot upon approaching a house by neighbors, that means the stakes will be raised for the burglars as well. The only people who get into burglary will be killers. As it is now, burglars are typically non-violent, and non-confrontational. They don't want you to be home. This "precedent" would lead to neighbors/witnesses getting killed stumblin upon burglary scenes. The drug game has seen similar increases in violence.

No one is giving criminals a "pass". The last time I checked, burglary was not a capital offense. Burglars go out of their way to avoid confrontation. Your petty ass feelings of revenge and retribution do not add to an efficient administration of the justice system. This "precedent" would make it hell for repo men, who are coming to get shit that is legally being repossessed. ( I thought he was a robber). There are reasons why you can't use lethal force in defense of property outside of the home.

 

[The G.O.A.T.]

Those two niggas got EXACTLY what the fuck they DESERVE.....
except I would not have called the police until AFTER I gunned them down....

That's the problem with the Black community, we are so quick to "mind our own business" instead of looking out for one another....

 

[Warrior 7]

fuck that
somebody come in your house

you have a right to kill them.

Who knows what the fuck they in there for
to rape your girl and kids
shit maybe to rape you.

You run up in my shit
I'm going all out.

Better to be judge by 12 than laid by 6.

 

[Warrior 7]

[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/i3cFSgVGw0I[/FLASH]

like Biggie said
lay low and keep firin'

 

[XXXplosive]

Peace,

As much as I'd like to agree with you, don't be so sure. This place is like Dodge City sometimes.

If I ever start robbing and stealing, I know the first house I'm gonna hit up
I'll just take all your shit in broad daylight and fuck your wife/girl/daughter while you're busy calling 911 waiting for the cops to arrive 3 hours later
You'll be too scared to shoot because it's not night time, lol
I don't know where you're originally from (probably up north I'm guessing), but we don't play that shit down here

Those two niggas got EXACTLY what the fuck they DESERVE.....
except I would not have called the police until AFTER I gunned them down....

That's the problem with the Black community, we are so quick to "mind our own business" instead of looking out for one another....

Amen!

 

[Amajorfucup]

fuck that
somebody come in your house

you have a right to kill them.

Who knows what the fuck they in there for
to rape your girl and kids
shit maybe to rape you.

You run up in my shit
I'm going all out.

Better to judge by 12 than laid by 6.

Agreed, but what does this have to do with the situation at hand?

 

[KingAddies]

I don't know what the law is in Texas but on some real shit I sincerely doubt it advocates leaving your house in what appeared to be broad daylight with a 12 gauge shotgun and chasing after people and shooting them especially when he was advised by police to stay inside...fukk him and fukk those robbers too...it's not like they were Black...sound like Mexicans to me...if he had left his house with a handgun and wasn't on the phone with 911 then he could've spun a story that he approached them and they came at him or said something in a way that made him fear for his life...nah what the geezer did was wrong...he should at least do some time in a mental facility...

I don't know my neighbors but I would want to send a message to the badasses that this neighbord will cap you and delay the paramedics from helping you get medical attention. I'm gone for days at a time and no a blade of grass is touched until I return and that's the way it is supposed to be. I look at situations like Bensonhurst and Howard Beach and... on second thought I better leave that alone.

 

[Leeeeeee]

PENAL 9.43
Statutes and Session Law
PENAL CODE - TITLE 2. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
PENAL 9.43 PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY.
§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY.

SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or

(2) the actor reasonably believes that:

(A) the third person has requested his protection of the land or property;

(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third person's land or property; or

(C) the third person whose land or property he uses force or deadly force to protect is the actor's spouse, parent, or child, resides with the actor, or is under the actor's care.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

If I ever start robbing and stealing, I know the first house I'm gonna hit up
I'll just take all your shit in broad daylight and fuck your wife/girl/daughter while you're busy calling 911 waiting for the cops to arrive 3 hours later
You'll be too scared to shoot because it's not night time, lol
I don't know where you're originally from (probably up north I'm guessing), but we don't play that shit down here



Amen!

Peace,

You're coming across like you're just not that intelligent of a dude. Reading is fundamental. Again, the the shooter was in NO PHYSICAL DANGER. His was not the house being robbed. He was under no threat. Try to read and interpret the article properly.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

 

[Leeeeeee]

PENAL 9.42
Statutes and Session Law
PENAL CODE - TITLE 2. GENERAL PRINCIPLES OF CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
CHAPTER 9. JUSTIFICATION EXCLUDING CRIMINAL RESPONSIBILITY
PENAL 9.42 DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.
§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.

SUBCHAPTER D. PROTECTION OF PROPERTY

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.