calling out ROLLIE FINGAZ!

minnesota is in some BAD shape right now. putting aside their injuries to their starting backcourt, they are DYING at SF right now.

and what of corey brewer? WHOA. he looks like a boy amongst men. though some of his problems can be attributed to the rookie learning curve, he was getting DOMINATED by lamar odom and luke walton last night.
 
minnesota is in some BAD shape right now. putting aside their injuries to their starting backcourt, they are DYING at SF right now.

and what of corey brewer? WHOA. he looks like a boy amongst men. though some of his problems can be attributed to the rookie learning curve, he was getting DOMINATED by lamar odom and luke walton last night.

I understand you need a spark off the bench, but why would you start Jaric over Telfair???:smh:
 
Watching the Knicks/Heat game, I'm realizing that the Heat have an 18 game losing streak going back to last year.

But anyway,the Timberwolves need some veterans. They should consider Charles Oakley.
 
Rollie_Fingaz,

Speaking of PG play. Think Denver is missing Steve Blake's solid play at PG? I understand Denver needed more 3 point shooting from the perimeter but nobody on that team is capable of running the point with more eficiency.
 
:lol: I noticed that. Was that move made because of disciplinary actions? Or was Wittman trying to insure that the team started the game off with a deficit?

Randy Foye is hurt, so Bassy started. He would get the team off to a good start, but when they had to rest him, the second unit would come in and fuck it up. So the idea was to bring Bassy off the bench as a spark. But Jaric has the team in a hole by the time he gets in the game.

They need to get rid of Jaric, PERIOD.

Rollie_Fingaz,

Speaking of PG play. Think Denver is missing Steve Blake's solid play at PG? I understand Denver needed more 3 point shooting from the perimeter but nobody on that team is capable of running the point with more eficiency.

Oh, I'm gonna need a minute for this.

*ahem*

Denver will be alright when Chucky gets back. The problem right now is not the PG spot...it the Shooting Guard. They actually do well with Linas in the game, but they can't hold anybody. Iverson has actually been doing a good job at the point. But Melo did a disappearing act for two games..

..and then there is Nene..

This fat fuck takes off the whole summer EVERY YEAR. He comes back to camp out of shape and gets hurt. Because he's not a threat offensively, there is no floor spacing. I mean really other than Melo, the Nuggets do not have a post presence other than him. Their weakest position is the wests strongest. That is why they push the ball, because when they go intop a half court set, there is no one to go to on the block.

I like how K-Mart looks this year, but he has no post game. Karl is a moron for not entertaining the option of bringing Webber off the bench. Until they address that matter, they won't go far in the playoffs.
 
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The sound you hear is the sound of Marbury losing his starting spot and going elsewhere next year.

Heh.

heh heh..

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa.....

Marbury skips Knicks' practice; rumors swirl about his future

ESPN.com news services

Updated: November 13, 2007, 8:08 PM ET

Is Marbury Done With The Knicks?

PHOENIX -- Stephon Marbury left the New York Knicks on Tuesday, fueling speculation that his future with the team is in doubt.

The point guard reportedly sent two text messages to the New York Post saying that he had permission to leave the team in Phoenix and fly back to New York. He arrived at approximately 4 p.m.

"I have one thing to say, and that's I got permission to leave," Marbury wrote. "I would never leave my team on my own. What I'm telling you is that I got permission to leave from Isiah. He said I could go home. God bless. Peace be with you."

Marbury indicated that he would likely not join the team for Wednesday's game against the Clippers in Los Angeles.

"No, I'm not coming to LA as of now," he said.

Several area media outlets reported earlier on Tuesday that Marbury had missed the Knicks' morning practice.

Thomas told reporters on Tuesday that Mardy Collins would start in Marbury's place Tuesday night against the Suns.

Thomas declined to comment on reports in the New York Daily News earlier Tuesday that Marbury's role would be "reduced" and that there had been discussions to try to move Marbury.

Marbury's contract is worth $42 million over the next two seasons. If the Knicks buy out Marbury, he'd be a free agent. He could also be traded.

Ironically, Marbury and Thomas are both represented by agent Jordan Bazant. Bazant has not returned a phone call from 1050 ESPN New York seeking comment.

"Any type of penalty or suspension will be in-house and we'll try to keep it within the confines of our team. This is an in-house matter with our team and we'll keep it and leave it at that," Thomas told reporters. "We hope to see [Marbury] tonight at the game. However, if he's not, make no mistake about it, we want him as a member of our basketball team."

Marbury came to Phoenix with his Knicks teammates on Monday. On Tuesday afternoon, his whereabouts created confusion. Thomas told reporters he was unsure if Marbury was still in Phoenix, and Knicks vice president of public relations Jonathan Supranowitz said Marbury was "doubtful" in an interview with 1050 ESPN New York's Andrew Marchand.

The game against the Suns is the first of four on a West Coast swing for New York.

Thomas said this was not the first time this kind of incident has happened.

"It seems like he and I go through this every November, then a couple of weeks go by and we kind of kiss and make up, then we go back to the business of trying to win basketball games," he said.

Following a contentious relationship with former coach Larry Brown, Marbury soon learned playing for Thomas would not be any easier.

Early last season, Marbury found himself spending extended time on the bench in the second half of games, including some in which he didn't start the third period.

"... Make no mistake about it, if I don't get exactly what I want, then there'll be consequences," Thomas said then.

As president of the Knicks, Thomas brought Marbury back to his hometown in 2004 and the two seemed to be close. That changed, however, when Thomas also became the head coach last season.

"My relationship as a coach is definitely a different relationship as president," Thomas said. "When you're coaching, I don't think there's a player that I've ever coached that hasn't at some point in time not liked me. But that's what coaching's all about."
 
Marbury AWOL For Tuesday's Practice
November 13, 2007 - 2:37 pm
New York Daily News -
Knicks point guard Stephon Marbury was conspicuously AWOL from this Tuesday morning's team practice, putting his Knicks' tenure in jeopardy and throwing the team's season into chaos.

On the day the Daily News reported that the club had decided to reduce Marbury's role and may be discussing severing ties with the Brooklyn-bred hoops star, head coach Isiah Thomas informed the media at this morning's shootaround that second-year guard Mardy Collins will replace Marbury in the starting lineup Tuesday against the Suns.

Thomas also said that everyone on the team is on notice and hinted that center Eddy Curry may be benched against Phoenix.

According to a team source, Marbury became upset after learning he would not start in Phoenix, at which point he threatened not to suit up for the game.

"Any type of penalty or suspension will be in-house and we'll try to keep it within the confines of our team. This is an in-house matter with our team and we'll keep it and leave it at that," Thomas told reporters today. "We hope to see (Marbury) tonight at the game. However, if he's not, make no mistake about it, we want him as a member of our basketball team."
 
^^^

:lol: Channing Fyre called this situation over the summer after the Randolph trade.

The Knicks are in turmoil now and it was just a matter of time before things hit the fan. Isiah Thomas knows the ONLY reason he is still employed is because of James Dolan's man crush on him. Never have I seen a coach cause as many problems on the court and off the court as him and not get canned the following season.

One more Knicks slip up and Isiah will be shown the pink slip. Heard Rick Carlisle is primed to take over the HC spot next year.
 
Marbury Threatens To Dish Info About Isiah Thomas
November 14, 2007 - 6:03 am
New York Daily News -
According to a person close to the team, Stephon Marbury's air rage began when Eddy Curry, following a conversation with Isiah Thomas, told Marbury that they were both being pulled from the starting lineup against the Suns.

Upon hearing that he would back up second-year guard Mardy Collins, Marbury marched toward the front of the plane to meet with Thomas. Five minutes later, an enraged Marbury told his teammates that if he wasn't starting he wouldn't suit up for the game. But it was something else Marbury said that stunned his teammates in the back of the luxury plane.

"Isiah has to start me," Marbury fumed, according to the source. "I've got so much (stuff) on Isiah and he knows it. He thinks he can (get) me. But I'll (get) him first. You have no idea what I know."

It is unclear if Marbury made the same threat directly to Thomas, whose first big move as team president was trading for Marbury.


...snitch.
 
Knicks Fine Marbury More Than $180,000 For Skipping Game
November 14, 2007 - 1:24 pm
Yahoo.com -
The Knicks fined Stephon Marbury more than $180,000 for skipping Tuesday night's game at Phoenix.

The Knicks sent the guard a letter informing him of the fine, according to a person with knowledge of the penalty who spoke to The Associated Press. He requested anonymity because he wasn't authorized to discuss it.

The Knicks would not confirm the fine.
 
Lauryn Hill said:
..it's funny how money change a situation...

Marbury On His Way Back To Team
November 14, 2007 - 1:57 pm
New York Post -
According to an e-mail to The Post from Stephon Marbury this morning, the Knicks' AWOL point guard is on his way to Los Angeles to join the Knicks for tonight's game against the Clippers.

The Knicks have fined Marbury almost $200,000 for bolting from the team Tuesday, though Marbury claimed he had permission to return to New York.

The Knicks would not confirm Marbury was headed to rejoin the team.
 
Marbury Back With Knicks In L.A.
November 14, 2007 - 5:15 pm
Alan Hahn/Newsday -
Stephon Marbury, according to a team official who spoke with Alan Hahn has indeed met the team in Los Angeles.

There was no indication that he would or would not dress or play in tonight's game against the Clippers, but considering the injuries, he might have to.
 
NBA: Jackson's 'Brokeback' Comments In Poor Taste
November 14, 2007 - 5:11 pm
ESPN -
The NBA has spoken with the Los Angeles Lakers about a sexual reference coach Phil Jackson made in a comment following Tuesday night's game in San Antonio.

The Spurs made 13 3-pointers in their 107-92 victory, and Jackson was asked if too much penetration was leading to open outside shooters.

:lol:"We call this a 'Brokeback Mountain' game, because there's so much penetration and kickouts," :lol:Jackson said. "It was one of those games."

"The remarks are in poor taste, and the Lakers have assured us such remarks will not occur in the future," league spokesman Brian McIntyre said.
 
i was listening to the post game show live when he said this.

the journalists ALL broke out laughing LOUD.

afterwards, you had half the radio hosts talking about it was "offensive" and the other half claiming ignorance because they couldn't figure out exactly what he was trying to say.
 
Player: Punches Were Thrown Between Isiah And Marbury
November 14, 2007 - 11:30 am
Bergen Record -
Isiah Thomas and Stephon Marbury clearly were involved in an argument on a flight from New York to Phoenix, but the Bergen Record is reporting that it escalated to a physical confrontation.

One NBA player close to the situation said punches were eventually thrown -- a claim the Knicks denied -- and one person on the flight was heard describing the scene this way.
 
:lol: Marbury and Isiah are having a cat fight.

I see that $190K fine brought his ass back out to LA though.

Saw that he was in the game down the stretch too. Looks like him and Coach Thomas kissed and made up again :rolleyes:
 
Knicks Voted Against Letting Marbury Play
November 15, 2007 - 2:27 pm
Yahoo! -
Isiah Thomas dispatched Jamal Crawford to find out how the players would react if and when Stephon Marbury rejoined the team; all of them voted against allowing him to play.

Thomas, according to one person who spoke with Crawford, had pledged to hold out Marbury if even a single Knick didn’t want him on the court.

Thomas sat Marbury until late in the first quarter then played him nearly 34 of the game’s remaining 39 minutes.
 
LeBron Disapproves Of Marbury
November 15, 2007 - 9:14 am
The Plain Dealer -
Do not expect New York Knicks guard Stephon Marbury to get traded to the Cavaliers any time soon. At least not while LeBron James is on the team.

"I don't know him that well," James said of Marbury. "But I couldn't have a guy like that on my team."

Marbury made headlines again and not because of his affordable Starbury One sneakers. Marbury left the Knicks on Tuesday. According to several reports out of New York, Marbury is upset because coach Isiah Thomas threatened to cut his minutes. Also, the New York Daily News reported Marbury threatened to talk about "Thomas' secrets."
 
Blazers concerned about Oden's weight gain from working out

Associated Press

Updated: November 16, 2007, 8:18 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA -- Greg Oden might be too pumped up for his eventual NBA debut.

Oden is doing what most people with too much idle time tend to do: gain weight. Only Oden is bulking up instead of fattening up and the No. 1 overall pick may be too buff, too fast.

"We don't want him to get bigger. That's going to come,'' Portland coach Nate McMillan said on Friday night. "It's very easy for him to put a lot of weight on having a year off. We've really got to be careful about the weight training with him.''

Oden, who will miss this season after he had knee surgery, was in the weight room Friday night before the Trail Blazers played the Philadelphia 76ers, sculpting his upper body. The 7-footer looked chiseled and has gained nearly 30 pounds of muscle -- all in the upper body -- since he was drafted. He is up to 280 pounds.

That's too much weight to carry on a surgically repaired knee and McMillan is mildly concerned.

"I would much rather have him be wiry strong than bulky, especially coming off a surgery,'' McMillan said. "When you're talking about putting on extra weight and having to carry that weight on a surgically repaired leg, that's not good. We want to be really careful with the weight training with him.''

Oden, who only recently shed his crutches, can't run and is limited to cardio work or pumping iron. McMillan said the change in the physique has been noticeable and wants Oden to back off just a bit and work more on being toned than having his muscles pop out of his suit.

McMillan envisions a build more like David Robinson or Alonzo Mourning than a Karl Malone.

"We want him to be quick and athletic as opposed to bulky and big,'' McMillan said.

Oden, who averaged 15.7 points and 9.6 rebounds last season as a freshman at Ohio State, is traveling with the Trail Blazers so he can get a feel for the grind of the NBA season. McMillan said Oden's rehabilitation is going well and he should be set for next year

"I think he understands where he's at and everything that goes along with that,'' McMillan said.

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Blazers concerned about Oden's weight gain from working out

"We don't want him to get bigger. That's going to come,'' Portland coach Nate McMillan said on Friday night. "It's very easy for him to put a lot of weight on having a year off. We've really got to be careful about the weight training with him.''

That's too much weight to carry on a surgically repaired knee and McMillan is mildly concerned.

"I would much rather have him be wiry strong than bulky, especially coming off a surgery,'' McMillan said. "When you're talking about putting on extra weight and having to carry that weight on a surgically repaired leg, that's not good. We want to be really careful with the weight training with him.''

"We want him to be quick and athletic as opposed to bulky and big,'' McMillan said.

i agree with coach mcmillan.

granted, upper body strength is important, but so is keeping the body shape that you matured naturally into. putting on the weight will impact his quickness and coordination.

too many of these kids get caught up in the hype of weight training before they understand overall conditioning. long gone are the days of the lean iron men; replaced now with the era of adolescents with broken down bodies.
 
i agree with coach mcmillan.

granted, upper body strength is important, but so is keeping the body shape that you matured naturally into. putting on the weight will impact his quickness and coordination.

too many of these kids get caught up in the hype of weight training before they understand overall conditioning. long gone are the days of the lean iron men; replaced now with the era of adolescents with broken down bodies.

I was curious to see. 30 pounds in your upper body is a lot. You'll look like a cartoon character with a big upper body and small legs.

What they need to do is hook him up with a veteran big man to work with him, like Ewing did with Yao and is doing Dwight Howard.
 
Wolves: Telfair, Marbury share a loss

Their basketball mentor, known best as "Mr Lou," died -- and it may explain Marbury's absence from the Knicks.

By Jerry Zgoda, Star Tribune

Almost every night that Timberwolves guard Sebastian Telfair can remember, two spotlights beside his Coney Island housing-project court nicknamed so contradictorily shone bright at 10 o'clock, illuminating until midnight pickup games that had started there before noon.

On Wednesday night, the Garden was silent, its asphalt and chain-link fencing lit by candles placed across the court in memory of the man who taught Telfair, his cousin Stephon Marbury and two generations of New York City street-ball players the game of basketball.

If he had been back home in Brooklyn, Telfair could have seen the vigil remembering the man everyone simply knew as Mr. Lou from the bedroom where he was raised in the Surfside Gardens projects.

Robert Williams -- a nursing-home manager by day and basketball mentors to hundreds by night and weekend -- died of a heart attack at age 64 on Tuesday afternoon in his apartment next to the Garden court.

"If you looked outside the window of my room, right down there was the court," Telfair said. "And Stephon's room was right on top of my mine. I lived on the third floor, he lived on the fourth floor. I grew up five steps from there. I'd walk out of my building and step right onto the court."

Nearly every time he took that court, there was Mr. Lou, who coached every great player who ever came out of Coney Island since 1971. Marbury and four of his brothers, Telfair and Sacramento Kings guard Quincy Douby are among the many.

"That's where we'd go hoop, in all seasons," Telfair said Thursday after the Wolves beat the Kings to for their first victory after five consecutive losses. "Cold, hot, that's where we were at. And Mr. Lou was the guy who ran all that there. He coached me ever since I was seven years old.

"No, nope, nobody knew his real name. They just knew Mr. Lou. All over Coney Island, everybody knows that name, whether you're into basketball or not."

Marbury left his New York Knicks team on a West Coast trip Tuesday after an altercation with coach/general manager Isiah Thomas. It became a national sports story in which Marbury threatened to blackmail his boss one moment, then said he had permission to temporarily leave the team and miss a game at Phoenix the next moment.

"People don't know," Telfair said. "But that's why Stephon left, to go to Mr. Lou. I wish I had the flexibility and the leverage to do the same, to be there for him and his family at this time."

Williams died about 3 p.m. and his son told the New York Times that by dinnertime, Marbury was there in the apartment where Telfair spent sweltering summer evenings after playing all day.


"We all know his wife; he fed some of us the majority of the days," Telfair said. "... I'm not exactly sure what he did, but I always remember him coming home from work with a green uniform on."

Telfair won't forget Williams arriving home every afternoon. He'd park his old, green rusted car next to the court, step across the court lines and stay there until every kid had left. Last year, Marbury bought him a white Cadillac, with a license plate that read MISTERLU and so many options Williams didn't know how to operate.

People crowded around the Garden court -- "So many people you could hardly see the lines around the court," he said -- and beyond the fences when Telfair, a New York City schoolboy legend played games there while he was in high school.

"Madison Square Garden, that's the Garden for the professionals," Telfair said. "Our Garden is the Garden for street-ball players."Mr. Lou coached Telfair as well as Telfair's older brother and younger brother in the 36 years he held court there.

When asked how many hours he spent at Coney Island's Garden, Telfair grew puzzled by the small increment of time.

"Hours? Hours ... there's a decade's worth of hours there," he said. "He was there for all of it. He taught us everything, everything. I wouldn't be here, none of us could have done it without him."
 
Kobe Still Wants Out
November 18, 2007 - 2:43 am
L.A. Times -
Last week ESPN's Ric Bucher recycled an old story that Kobe Bryant had knocked down a Detroit-Lakers trade, which carried the absurd suggestion the Lakers had agreed to take Rip Hamilton, who's 29, and Tayshaun Prince, who's 27.

Bucher then worked as the sideline reporter for Friday's Lakers-Pistons telecast, where the story was briefly mentioned but laid off on a Detroit radio station.

Of more interest was Bucher's conclusion:

"I was told today that as of now Kobe's distrust of the front office remains and he would like to be playing for a championship elsewhere."

Lakers officials now insist they're even more resolved to keep Bryant -- but no one from Jerry Buss down will come out and say he's not going anywhere this season.
 
Bulls Forgetting Bryant, Focusing On Gasol?
November 18, 2007 - 2:37 am
L.A. Times -
Kobe Bryant will play against the team who he wants to join tonight, when the Bulls meet the Lakers at the Staples Center.

However, according to Mark Heisler of the Los Angeles Times, General Manager John Paxson is now reportedly focusing on lower-key players like Memphis' Pau Gasol in deals that won't make headlines for a week.

Paxson did talk to the Lakers about Bryant, but, according o Heisler, those talks were just exploratory and quickly spiraled out of control.

Happy with his uncomplicated, up-and-coming young team, Paxson just wanted to know if the Lakers were holding a fire sale like Minnesota's for Kevin Garnett.
 
Another Lineup Shakeup Looming Large For Knicks
November 18, 2007 - 5:36 am
New York Daily News -
Isiah Thomas is thinking of changing his starting lineup again, and probably hopes the next move doesn't send the player he's benching AWOL.

"We could have another change or two down the road, depending on the way our guys are playing," he said before the Knicks' latest loss. "I got three big guys who are playing as well as any three big guys in the league, in David (Lee), Eddy (Curry) and Zach (Randolph). There could be some thought to playing those three together, a lot. So we'll look at ways to continue to get better and to get the best players on the floor, regardless of position."

If Lee becomes a starter, that would send Quentin Richardson to the bench. While that would make the Knicks a bigger and better rebounding team, it would also pose quickness problems when they play against conventional small forwards. Lee can't guard on the perimeter, while Richardson has shown he is still a better-than-average defender on the outside.
 
Cleveland To Pursue Bibby?
November 19, 2007 - 11:11 am
Chicago Tribune -
The Cavaliers are still expected to pursue Mike Bibby, though the Knicks supposedly struck out on an even Stephon Marbury- Mike Bibby swap among several others with Marbury owed about $40 million through the end of next season.
 
J. Colangelo Interested In Running The Knicks?
November 19, 2007 - 11:13 am
Detroit News -
Tony Ronzone, the Pistons' director of basketball operations and chief international scout, knows a guy who could rescue the New York Knicks .

"Jerry Colangelo," Ronzone said.

Colangelo, who built the Phoenix Suns and Arizona Diamondbacks into championship-caliber franchises, is presently building Team USA back to gold medal status. Ronzone was hired by Colangelo as an assistant coach and scout for the Tournament of Americas championship last summer.

"I think that (cleaning up the mess that is the Knicks) is the kind of challenge Jerry loves," Ronzone said.

"Colangelo has told friends that he would welcome the chance to come to the Garden, even more than going home to Chicago," a report in the New York Daily News said. "Colangelo thinks that if he can turn around the laughingstock Knicks and build them into a championship team, it would be his crowning achievement."
 
J. Colangelo Interested In Running The Knicks?
November 19, 2007 - 11:13 am
Detroit News -
Tony Ronzone, the Pistons' director of basketball operations and chief international scout, knows a guy who could rescue the New York Knicks .

"Jerry Colangelo," Ronzone said.

Colangelo, who built the Phoenix Suns and Arizona Diamondbacks into championship-caliber franchises, is presently building Team USA back to gold medal status. Ronzone was hired by Colangelo as an assistant coach and scout for the Tournament of Americas championship last summer.

"I think that (cleaning up the mess that is the Knicks) is the kind of challenge Jerry loves," Ronzone said.

"Colangelo has told friends that he would welcome the chance to come to the Garden, even more than going home to Chicago," a report in the New York Daily News said. "Colangelo thinks that if he can turn around the laughingstock Knicks and build them into a championship team, it would be his crowning achievement."

Let's Hope so..:yes: If he can do that..:rolleyes: he'd be a miracle worker..!!:D I hope he can work some magic... on us..!!!!:dance::dance::dance:
 
i don't care for either of the colangelos, but there is ONE thing both of them know how to do well: turn a profit.

but there is a cost: expect the knicks to import 4-6 euros and maybe 1 chinese dude to cut salaries. the league will finally have managed to put some euros on the biggest basketball stage in the world.
 
Isiah: We're Focused On Basketball
November 19, 2007 - 5:08 pm
ESPN -
Isiah Thomas conceded the New York Knicks had a bad week -- on the court.

But he dismissed the other turmoil surrounding his team, including the idea that he could follow Stephon Marbury as the next person around the Knicks to lose his job.

He instead pointed out Monday that the Knicks have been close in many of their losses, and his only worry is finding ways to get them over the hump.

"That's all we're really concerned about, and that's all our team is focused on: how we get better as a basketball team," Thomas said. "All the other stuff you want to talk about, that's up to you guys. But in terms of what we do out on the basketball floor, those are the things that we can control, and out on the basketball floor we had chances to win basketball games."
 
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