This is a very good thread and brothers definitely need to peep it. Now to add my two cents. I have been working out for years and have taken virtually every supplement on the market. I have gotten big and lean but in the end, changing my workout plan to simple calesthenics, my body looks much better and feel much stronger. I take absolutely nothing, but I eat right and get plenty of rest, plenty of water, and run 20 miles a week. Hell, I barely touch the weights and only use them for my chest and legs. Keep it simple and stop wasting your money and these crappy supplements. The supplement industry is a booming business and it is mainly because people buy into the bullshit they are selling. If you notice, in most hoods, the cats that workout in the park have some of the best physiques. Think about it.
SPORTS SUPPLEMENTS - what to take, what not to, and why
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what, the "i just came home from up north" niccas? yeah we got them around here, in the park doing nothing but pullups, pushups, chinups & dips then do absolutely NOTHING for legs. niccas walking around looking like johnny bravo with skinny azz calves yet diesel upper bodies
. nah, im good doing it how i do. its 2007 & im gonna use everything available to me to improve my physique whether it be machines, freeweights, supplements, whatever
CLA - helps the body to prevent fat storage.
But on a serious note, all that shit the other dudes are talkin' about is fine n good for general good health. But if you want increased size, strength, endurance & speed, steroids are what the pros use. Always have blood work done once a month by a sports doctor to monitor the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis), blood pressure, liver values, etc.
Here's some pros & cons:
-----------Pros ---------------------Cons
GH---------Increase # of muscle cells-------Water retention
Deca-------Increased strength---------------Water retention, Acne, aromatized to Estrogen
D'bol------Fast increase in strength--------liver toxic
Test-------Builds strength------------------Aromatizes to Estrogen
Tren-------Builds solid muscle/strength-----Increased aggression
T3---------Improved metabolism--------------Could damage thyroid if abused
Clen-------Best fat burner------------------Gitters
Winny------mild version of D'bol------------liver toxic
Insulin----Increased nutrient absorption----Could become hypoglycemic & die if abused
*******DISCLAIMER********************
I do not condone the use of steroids nor do I use them.
But on a serious note, all that shit the other dudes are talkin' about is fine n good for general good health. But if you want increased size, strength, endurance & speed, steroids are what the pros use. Always have blood work done once a month by a sports doctor to monitor the HPTA (Hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testicular Axis), blood pressure, liver values, etc.
Here's some pros & cons:
-----------Pros ---------------------Cons
GH---------Increase # of muscle cells-------Water retention
Deca-------Increased strength---------------Water retention, Acne, aromatized to Estrogen
D'bol------Fast increase in strength--------liver toxic
Test-------Builds strength------------------Aromatizes to Estrogen
Tren-------Builds solid muscle/strength-----Increased aggression
T3---------Improved metabolism--------------Could damage thyroid if abused
Clen-------Best fat burner------------------Gitters
Winny------mild version of D'bol------------liver toxic
Insulin----Increased nutrient absorption----Could become hypoglycemic & die if abused
*******DISCLAIMER********************
I do not condone the use of steroids nor do I use them.
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Dog, do what you gotta do. Blow that doe if it's burning a whole in your pocket. I see dudes like you in the gym all the time. Lifting every weight in the gym and taking every supplement out there and they still never build any muscle nor lean out. I have been in this long enough to know that those type of suppements are very much overated and you can get all the vitamins you need from a good balanced diet. Keep it simple. This shit ain't rocket science.
LOL....This is getting out of hand...
Can we get a real expert to really lay shyt straight?
Can we get a real expert to really lay shyt straight?
well, i do agree with you on one thing, it isnt rocket science, its anatomy & physiology and every year there's more and more research done and more things you can take advantage from. if you wanna do it like arnold did in the 70's & drink 2 gallons of whole milk & eat raw egg yolks more power to you my dude. i aint on it like that. and you got me fukked up if you take me for some beach muscle azz nicca who just lifting weights to lift em. but eh, whatever
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LOL at the disclaimer at the end. my dude
The water retention with deca isn't really a con. Deca is known to 'oil the joints' due to how it pulls water into the connecting tissues. It actual helps you. Estrogen aromatization is not always a con too bro. You actually want some estrogen aromatization because it helps with anabolism, check it out. Dbol is probably the worst with estrogen aromatization because the water retention will literally make you blow up like a ballon, but it kicks in within like 2 days of using it! That's why you take it at the beginning of a much larger cycle of other steroids to kick start gains.
Insulin in my opinion shouldnt even be considered. Need close doctor supervision for that one. Not worth the risk.
Dog, by all means, you can take my word for a grain of salt. If you can point me to this "new research" that can get you the same results, by all means take advantage of it and maybe I will too. My point is to many people put there faith into these " new ground breaking products" and they are a bunch of shit. Simple formula, new ground breaking research+Ronnie coleman to advertise= waste of $59.99. All I am saying is that don't be sold on the hype. I am talking from a man who is aleady there.
Quoted for Truth. Quite frankly I just take a little protein powder and that's it. I want to eventually get away from that altogether and just go natural. My best potna almost died taking that no xplode shit.
I know a herbalist that makes organic vitamins so I hit him up when I need some.
For real, fights breaking out and shit...all right, we got some common ground. whenever dudes are in a convo about working out & the topic turns to supplements, first thing i ask em' is what theyre eating & how much. my homeboy asking me how much i paid for my jar of NO Shotgun and im just looking at him like, "you rather pay $40 for some nitric oxide but you wont pay $15 for some steak?" so i agree there, you can take creatine to your hearts content, but you gotta have your diet down first. truth to me, the diet is the hardest part of it. you can discipline yourself to work out the same time every week, you have to sleep anyway so thats easy, but the actual eating the right things is the toughest part to me
I get asked alot of questions daily from people at the gym, work, wherever about working out and I tell them it is real simple. Although alot of people may not like it, you have to stay very consistent in your diet. My first thing is what is your priority? If you want to get in shape, then you have to be willing to make a sacrifice. You have to be willing to go to the gym(if that is your means of exercise) when you don't want too. You have to be willing to sometimes eat tasteless food. I made a promise to myself years ago, to get in shape and have the best physique I can possibly get. I have stuck to that commitment and haven't looked back since.I eat just about the same thing everyday because I know how much calories are in a serving and also they contain enough protein for me to meet my objectives. Bro, it's all about priorities, once you determine that, then everything else(discipline, etc )will fall into place.
thank you. It is called a "lifestyle". Working out is a part of my life. How I shop at the grocery store, what I eat when i eat out, my schedule and my life revolve around fitness. It is what I DO. I eat fish,chicken, turkey, veggies, oatmeal, healthy foods, THAT'S WHAT I DO. Do I cheat, of course i do, but I'm conditioned to eat like that all the time. Protein shakes and vitamins are extras, like I said at the beginning, supplements are AN ADDITION TO, an addition to the healthy life style you should already have. The thread was about "what works", and what does not. You don't need supplements, but I use them, in addition to eating very healthy, and working out 5 times a week. Cardio is a staple for me. I run at least 10-12 miles a week, I do boxing three times a week, I swim almost every fuckin day. I have scarificed alot to be like this. Plus, it's just me, no wife, no children, which I know that a healthy lifestyle gets hard with kids. I live it, bottomline, there is NO MAGIC PILL !
Amen Brother!!
This is great advice.
I'll be the first to admit--my diet is shitty--guess I need to get that straight before I start using supplements.
What are the some of the major "must have" foods? Post a something like a grocery list, or what you would eat through the course of a regular day.
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My experience in life has been very similar and i totally agree with you. The fact of the matter is most of those supplements simply dont work, atleast not to the extent that they are advertised, and they can also get extremely expensive. Ive been working out for nearly a decade and have tried it all. My best results have come after giving up on most of the "supplements", adopting a mostly natural and healthy diet, exercising regularly (using mostly calesthenics & little if any freeweights) and running 4miles a day. I would suggest creating and sticking to a set strict vitiman packed diet and workout schedule, if you feel as though you must must take a supplement, take a multi vitamin and use protien shakes for muscle growth and recovery four or five days out of the week.
Genetics play a huge part in "getting swole".Ex cons are usually in horrible physical shape but just "look" muscular.I workout for athletic performance.I train MMA and Brazilian juijitsu with multiple professionals some of whom are known.All of them at least take protein, a multivitamin, and fish oil.Ive taken a grip of suppliments and the ones I named have given me the best results.I used to take muscle milk religiously but switched to optimum becuse its protein is more bioavailable(protien isolate),its cheaper, and muscle milk has an ingredient that is said to cause cancer(google it).
anyone out there have some advice to gain weight? i been skinny as a mofo all my life like i'm talkin 120-130 lbs...i been told i just have a fast metabolism but this shit is whack...i need to bulk up a bit...i heard creatine, whey powder and constant eating...is this true?
help!
help!
And you will pay every single dime for all that testing. By the way, you don't think its weird that GNC primarily endorses it's own products as the best above everyone else they carry. GNC is a corporate company out to make a buck at your expense. They charge on average, 20% more than any other place I personally know that sells supplements. GNC is the place for you, oh well enjoy!!
My man, good point. My site focuses on nothing but bodyweight workouts. Check me out and my blog.................
Just eat, but eat good square meals. One thing I would say to you is that everyone is not suppose to be big. If you have an african or an ethiopian build, this is you. Everyone isn't made to lift 300 pounds, you may never lift this much. But with very little training you could probably run 30+ miles, which no weightlifters can do. See my point?
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eat foods high in protein such as: salmon, tuna fish, skinless boneless chicken breast.
Snack on fruits and peanuts. Supplement with flaxseed oil and multivitamins.
Be cautious of a lot of these supplements because they aren't truly governed by the FDA some of the ingredients aren't listed on the label.
If it is banned by pro sports I wouldn't advise using it.
Works great but banned by the NFL
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I'm not gonna argue. I know what the pro's drink. Musclemilk is not designed to make you fat, it is not equal to eating a cheeseburger. When used correctly ( BEFORE A WORKOUT, AFTER A WORKOUT, OR BEFORE BED), it is the most beneficial protein on the market. It digest in your system for up to 8 hrs. If you mix it, in water, that's about 350 cals. I use a vitamin made by Malalueca. It's the top of the line. It has an AM and PM packet, in the correct USP (United States Pharmacopia) format. I like the FAST TWITCH because it works better than the NO-EXPLODE product. I'm only trying to help. I always suggest Musclemilk because of taste and content. It's high in BCAA's, and glutamine. Drinking two musclemilk a day is not going to hurt you, if you are eating the correct ratios of food. I can use Musclemilk to gain weight by mixing it in 2% milk, or I use water when I am maintaining weight, or dropping weight. Fat burners are dangerous. Word to the wise, stop fucking with alot of caffeine, you are slowly killing yourself, fucking with the rhythm of your heart. The product I use has 200mg of caffeine, that's the only time you should be using caffeine is during a workout, for a boost. I've read these fat burners, READ NIGGA, there are items in these fat burners that you have never heard of, the shit kills people. The bottomline is this, YOUR DIET is the missing link, I been preaching that since day one. NO GREESE, NO FAST FOOD, CARDIO, WEIGHTS, WATER, GOOD LIVING, THE WHOLE NINE. I suggest that all of you visit a nutritionalist, and find out how many calories you can have a day, per your weight. I eat over 3,000 cals a day, check me out :
7 am-3 egg omelet ( I use egg beaters), onions, bell peppers, tomatos, turkey ham, low fat cheese, two slices of wheat toast, two glasses of tropicana pure, am vitamin pack
9-9:30-snack on almonds, yogurt, apple slices
12-two pieces of grilled talipia, steamed veggies, 20 oz water
2 pm - 16oz of water and ice, frozen strawberries, banana, two scoops of musclemilk vanilla
3 pm - one scoop fast twitch, workout for 1hr 20 minutes
THIS IS CRITICAL
5 pm - 16 OZ low fat chocolate milk, 6 inch subway turkey & ham, apple , PM VITAMIN PACK
7 PM - two grilled turkey patties, sweet potato yams, wheat bread, water ( two glasses of lemonade crystal light)
9-9:30 IF I WANT A PROTEIN SHAKE, i'LL HAVE ONE, IF NOT, OREO'S AND SKIM MILK ( JUST NOT EVERY NIGHT)
I'm eating right now, cashews, and crystal light. I don't diet, I have a life style. MAN, tomorrow i'm eating fried chicken, potatos, greens, cake, pie, goin to my momma's house. I cheat, but here's the key, you gotta eat right MORE, than you eat wrong !
This sounds to me like your a regular guy who decided to be brolic... This diet may not work for the type of people interested in this thread.. ie; the young chubbies in training.. If your overweight and dont have a good muscle base this diet will do little more then have you lookin like jared from subway.. While i truly do respect ya regimen I think you need to disclaimer this as not necessarily the diet for a fat nigga lookin to go Curtis..
As far as Ncaa endorsing Muscle Milk they will endorse Martinez and crack if the price is right... The fat in muscle milk while its good fat is stil entirely too much for something thats supposed to be good for you.. Its evident by the fact that they had to come out with muscle milke lite.. I gotta go finish a report but we gonna keep this thread goin... in closing.. ISOPURE.. Natures Best is #1
This is great advice.
I'll be the first to admit--my diet is shitty--guess I need to get that straight before I start using supplements.
To be honest with you, I'm like Cameo and don't really have a diet. What I eat is not crazy and easy enough to stay consistant with. For breakfast, I will have egg whites and turkey bacon on whole wheat bread toasted. For lunch, I will have a salad with chicken or a turkey sandwich with whole toast. For dinner, I will have stir fry chicken(pam) with brown rice or salad. I know in essence you are supposed to eat six meals to speed up your metabolism but doing calesthenics, I manage to not really need to do that. Really, it all depends on your goals. If you want to put on size, you will need to eat like Cameo does but maybe with a little more calories added. I just want to stay lean and muscular and not really put on anymore muscle for the next two years.
P.S. Chicken, Salad, Brown Rice, should always be on your grocery list.
You are absolutely right about genetics playing a big part in getting swole but how do you "look" swole and not be it? Also, how do you know ex-cons are in horrible shape? Have you been to prison before? Another thing is not all people who workout in the park are ex-cons. Some people either go to the park for convenience or don't have acess to bally's or NYSC. I actually prefer the park although I have a membership to NYSC. First, I like to workout outdoors, I get a better pump improvising(sp?) and it is just a whole different vibe. The whole supplement thing I won't touch on anymore because I still think that 85% of it is still trash.
I'm going to check your blog out dog. Ain't nothing like Calesthenics man. I love them shits so much I dam near don't lift wieghts anymore except for chest and legs.
I am a big fan of BSN and VPX products myself.
No-Xplode or No-Shotgun pre workout.
I am going to start taking BSN's Atro-Phex which I believe is a replacement for a product they used to have called Betalin. That product was way better than Hydroxycut or Lipo6.
No-Xplode or No-Shotgun pre workout.
I am going to start taking BSN's Atro-Phex which I believe is a replacement for a product they used to have called Betalin. That product was way better than Hydroxycut or Lipo6.
Dog, what I highlighted is exaclty my program and my body looks better than ever. Keep up the good work man.
Thanks man--that's exactly what I was looking for. I'm 5'11", currently 205, about 15-16% bodyfat. I'd like to get to about 185, 10% or less bodyfat. I really just want to be lean and muscular--I don't want to bulk up .
