RIAA successfully wins first case

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DULUTH, Minnesota -- Jammie Thomas, a single mother of two, was found liable Thursday for copyright infringement in the nation's first file-sharing case to go before a jury.
Twelve jurors here said the Minnesota woman must pay $9,250 for each of 24 shared songs that were the subject of the lawsuit, amounting to $222,000 in penalties.
They could have dinged her for up to $3.6 million in damages, or awarded as little as $18,000. She was found liable for infringing songs from bands such as Journey, Green Day, AFI, Aerosmith and others.
After the verdict was read, Thomas and her attorney left the courthouse without comment. The jurors also declined to talk to reporters.
The verdict, coming after two days of testimony and about five hours of deliberations, was a mixed victory for the RIAA, which has brought more than 20,000 lawsuits in the last four years as part of its zero-tolerance policy against pirating. The outcome is likely to embolden the RIAA, which began targeting individuals in lawsuits after concluding the legal system could not keep pace with the ever growing number of file-sharing sites and services.
Still, it's unlikely the RIAA's courtroom victory will translate into a financial windfall or stop piracy, which the industry claims costs it billions in lost sales. Despite the thousands of lawsuits -- the majority of them settling while others have been dismissed or are pending -- the RIAA's litigation war on internet piracy has neither dented illegal, peer-to-peer file sharing or put much fear in the hearts of music swappers.
According to BigChampagne, an online measuring service, the number of peer-to-peer users unlawfully trading goods has nearly tripled since 2003, when the RIAA began legal onslaught targeting individuals.
At the time, BigChampagne says, there were about 3.8 million file sharers trading over the internet at a given moment. Now, the group has measured a record 9 million users trading at the same time. Roughly 70 percent of trading involves digital music, according to BigChampagne.
The case, however, did set legal precedents favoring the industry.
In proving liability, the industry did not have to demonstrate that the defendant's computer had a file-sharing program installed at the time that they inspected her hard drive. And the RIAA did not have to show that the defendant was at the keyboard when RIAA investigators accessed Thomas' share folder.
Also, the judge in the case ruled that jurors may find copyright infringement liability against somebody solely for sharing files on the internet. The RIAA did not have to prove that others downloaded the files. That was a big bone of contention that U.S. District Judge Michael Davis settled in favor of the industry.
Thomas maintained that she was not the Kazaa user "Tereastarr," whose files were detected by RIAA's investigators. Her attorney speculated to jurors that she could have been the victim of a spoof, cracker, zombie, drone and other attacks.
The jury found her liable after receiving evidence her internet protocol address and cable modem identifier were used to share some 1,700 files. The hard drive linked to Kazaa on Feb. 21, 2005 -- the evening in question -- did not become evidence in the case.
According to testimony, Thomas replaced her hard drive weeks after RIAA investigators accessed her share file and discovered 1,702 files. The industry sued on just 24 of those files.


Update: The attorney for the record companies, Richard Gabriel, spoke to reporters outside the courthouse. He said the the music industry will continue to sue copyright infringers, and warned that the nearly quarter-million dollar judgment carries a message for peer-to-peer users.
"This is what can happen if you don't settle," he said.






Sad day indeed :smh:
 
I stopped using file sharing services a year ago..never again :smh::smh:

on the other hand if they wanna include message boards and blogs then most of us are fucked :smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:
 
I stopped using file sharing services a year ago..never again :smh::smh:

on the other hand if they wanna include message boards and blogs then most of us are fucked :smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

Cosign. I quit p2p after I started college. Fucked up, she should have setlled.
 
the way some of our links die i would be surprised if some of those fuckers weren't here already taking names.

Shit i would be surprised if the feds weren't here either

this is pretty huge news, people cry about bootleggers killing the music game, these assholes killed the music game. And all this bullshit about we are doing it for the artists, they don't give a fuck about the artists, no artists even see any of this money. None of this is on anybodies behalf its a scam they got caught with their pants down and missed the whole digital revolution and this is how they react.
 
Saw this on the news today, she supposedly used Kazaa which is just stupid. The RIAA/MPAA flooded that network with all kinds of fake files and trojans. She shoulda just used bittorrent or ED2k.

Still fucked up that they would go after a Single parent with two kids though.
 
any service that includes you downloading some software to your computer is an invitation for you to get spied on..and eventually taken down by the feds...that includes bittorrent, bitcomet, and all them other torrent programs too.
 
well the only time i use p2p programs (limewire) is when im looking for 1 single song.

does anybody know where i can go download single songs instead of whole albums?

thats what makes programs like limewire come in handy...because its not to many places, thats not p2p, where you can download single songs only.
 
t o r r e n t s

f u c k the r i a a

To be more precise: PRIVATE torrent sites.
Public torrent sites (isohunt, thepiratebay, etc) are just as bad. The RIAA could seed a torrent and go after all who downloaded it.

The safest way to grab stuff is via usenet (or "borrow" someone's wireless signal ;) )
 
To be more precise: PRIVATE torrent sites.
Public torrent sites (isohunt, thepiratebay, etc) are just as bad. The RIAA could seed a torrent and go after all who downloaded it.

The safest way to grab stuff is via usenet (or "borrow" someone's wireless signal ;) )


your right
thats why you always see fake post made.
example...its someone who always post fake dvd and dvdscr rips, and they ACT like their the aXXo rip group....and the torrent has like 20000 seeders and leechers. :hmm:
is usually some fbi or riaa rep who made the torrent.
basically just tryna set people up...or discourage people from downloading torrents.

i just got me a demonoid account a few days ago.
my guy sent me a invitation.
as far as the rest of my movies and music.
i get those mostly off bgol.
but like somebody said up top...i think the feds monitor this board.
thats why the links die so quick.
and thats also why the board shouldnt be so WIDE OPEN like it is

but anyways....
soon all the torrent sites will get monitored...even the private one's
all the feds have to do is pay a good amount for an invitation membership.
they have ways of working around stuff.
but just like they have ways of making us pay...other people will continue to figure out ways to get shit for free...so the battles will continue


any service that includes you downloading some software to your computer is an invitation for you to get spied on..and eventually taken down by the feds...that includes bittorrent, bitcomet, and all them other torrent programs too.


so what else you suppose to use to download a torrent?
 
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your right
thats why you always see fake post made.
example...its someone who always post fake dvd and dvdscr rips, and they ACT like their the aXXo rip group....and the torrent has like 20000 seeders and leechers. :hmm:
is usually some fbi or riaa rep who made the torrent.
basically just tryna set people up...or discourage people from downloading torrents.

i just got me a demonoid account a few days ago.
my guy sent me a invitation.
as far as the rest of my movies and music.
i get those mostly off bgol.
but like somebody said up top...i think the feds monitor this board.
thats why the links die so quick.
and thats also why the board shouldnt be so WIDE OPEN like it is

but anyways....
soon all the torrent sites will get monitored...even the private one's
all the feds have to do is pay a good amount for an invitation membership.
they have ways of working around stuff.
but just like they have ways of making us pay...other people will continue to figure out ways to get shit for free...so the battles will continue





so what else you suppose to use to download a torrent?
Torrents can easily have 20,000+ seeders and leechers because DHT allows you to connect to other users even if you don't share the same tracker as them.

And with most Torrent sites being located out of the country, torrent Apps that support encryption, and offshore ssh tunnels, the feds or CIA or whoever are figting a losing battle.
 
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To be more precise: PRIVATE torrent sites.
Public torrent sites (isohunt, thepiratebay, etc) are just as bad. The RIAA could seed a torrent and go after all who downloaded it.

The safest way to grab stuff is via usenet (or "borrow" someone's wireless signal ;) )

Yep, I only use newsgroups and mIRC.
 
To be more precise: PRIVATE torrent sites.
Public torrent sites (isohunt, thepiratebay, etc) are just as bad. The RIAA could seed a torrent and go after all who downloaded it.

The safest way to grab stuff is via usenet (or "borrow" someone's wireless signal ;) )
they do that all the time (seed fake torrents) which is why you need to use peerguardian2 with everything you do online

I have a new neighbor with wide open wireless that their system is never on- either honeypot or laptop user - anyway I wouldnt do dirt on their network. No need to fuck over other people.

upload what you can but always change IPs frequently and never upload HOT shit (disney movies, michael jackson) other than infrequently from different IPs
 
Sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiitttt. I'd tell them fuckers to kiss my ass. U might as well put me in jail right now cuz yall ain't gettin a fuckin penny from me from no damn Journey and Aerosmith songs. Yall can have the fuckin mp3s back. How bout that?
 
We have to start Super Cloaking or Camouflage file types or hidden picture rar files in the uploads and for heaven's sake we need to stop using the real filenames and titles. For the Limewire heads turn off the sharing they (The RIAA) don't go after the downloader but rather the sharer of files.

Again I stress learning the basics of MIRC dos. It's virtually untrackable if you know what you're doing and clean. Every other source of file downloads are easily traced right back to your doorstep. Stay away from torrents and use private trackers. Stay away from big company items like ADOBE and SYMANTEC they hire their own Internet Police to seek out and record and send notices of cease and desist to certain websites hosting their softwares without their consent.o

Won't be too long now before Rapidshare and Megaupload and places like this will be subpoenaed to hand over all IP and times and traces of files that are illegal.

CLOAK UP and prepare yourself for the Gestapos of the new millenium fighting to revoke your freedom everyday in everyway....

OUT!!!
 
We have to start Super Cloaking or Camouflage file types or hidden picture rar files in the uploads and for heaven's sake we need to stop using the real filenames and titles. For the Limewire heads turn off the sharing they (The RIAA) don't go after the downloader but rather the sharer of files.

Again I stress learning the basics of MIRC dos. It's virtually untrackable if you know what you're doing and clean. Every other source of file downloads are easily traced right back to your doorstep. Stay away from torrents and use private trackers. Stay away from big company items like ADOBE and SYMANTEC they hire their own Internet Police to seek out and record and send notices of cease and desist to certain websites hosting their softwares without their consent.o

Won't be too long now before Rapidshare and Megaupload and places like this will be subpoenaed to hand over all IP and times and traces of files that are illegal.

CLOAK UP and prepare yourself for the Gestapos of the new millenium fighting to revoke your freedom everyday in everyway....

OUT!!!

Excellent Point........Got a few about to dead 'n ... neglected to cloak. I think the game will be officially fucked if Rapidshare and the like begin to roll over on clients.

Other than zshare does anyone know of any other sites where you can anonymously upload?

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u dudes are ignoring one thing: TENS OF MILLIONS of people download each day in america ALONE. u have a better chance of winning the lottery than getting sued by the riaa
 
People have been making copies of music since the reek-to-reel tape deck. Shit like this is what's going to ruin the music and entertainment industries. How the hell can you justify suing your customer base? :smh:
 
I still use limewire religiously and regularly......but only through a secure tunnel. My ISP can't even eavesdrop when im tunneling so fuck the RIAA
 
MB,

isn't that a red herring? false argument?

how can you call people who NEVER pay a "customer base"?

:confused:
an adult woman who's never purchased a cd tape or record? not likely

red herring? nah its an open discussion isn't it? or is he not allowed to ask that question?

the RIAA's membership puts out tons of fuckin trash everyday all day so let them continue to lose money forever

fuck em

fuck the mpaa too

when have they ever stood by the quality of their products? never

can you get a refund at a movie theater?
return an open dvd?
return an open cd?

fuck em - all the money ive spent on horrid music and movies over the years makes me never want to pay them for shit ever again.
the only time I ever pay for music or movies is if I feel like supporting the artists who've made it and thats rare
 
I think hes speaking in general, you'll find alot of people download but will still buy albums to support the artist.

yep
and believe it or not...its alot of people who use to buy bootleg,
but after hearing or seeing how good the product was, they just started buying the products.
take away bootleggin....and trust me..companies lose alot more than they gain.
think of bootlegged stuff as free samples.
and fyi, when you buy cd's and dvd, your basically just supporting the already filthy company that employs the artist or actor.
therefore, the money you spending is not making the artist or actor/actress any richer....they got their checks way before the product was even put out.
 
an adult woman who's never purchased a cd tape or record? not likely

red herring? nah its an open discussion isn't it? or is he not allowed to ask that question?

the RIAA's membership puts out tons of fuckin trash everyday all day so let them continue to lose money forever

fuck em

fuck the mpaa too

when have they ever stood by the quality of their products? never

can you get a refund at a movie theater?
return an open dvd?
return an open cd?

fuck em - all the money ive spent on horrid music and movies over the years makes me never want to pay them for shit ever again.
the only time I ever pay for music or movies is if I feel like supporting the artists who've made it and thats rare

my problems are these:

if people wanna steal, then go on ahead, but they shouldn't whine like bitches if/when they get caught. they know the game going in, and they know the score.

if people know they're stealing, then they shouldn't try to pull the okey doke and point fingers in different directions with invalid laughable arguments like:

(1) blaming the business model

(2) saying enforcing a copyright will hurt "customers" when they weren't customers to begin with

(3) claiming they support Black business when they're steady stealing Black artist's content (music, video) on the regular
 
MB,

isn't that a red herring? false argument?

how can you call people who NEVER pay a "customer base"?

:confused:

I'm not talking about those people. What the RIAA is doing is imposing its will on every consumer. If you buy a CD and don't want to take keep your original in the car, according to the RIAA your copy? is illegal. Even though you purchased and have the original CD at home. This is where the problem comes in and everything gets cloudy.

So if you purchase a CD and make a copy of that CD regardless of your intent you have violated copyright laws. You literally have no rights as a purchaser.
 
my problems are these:

if people wanna steal, then go on ahead, but they shouldn't whine like bitches if/when they get caught. they know the game going in, and they know the score.

if people know they're stealing, then they shouldn't try to pull the okey doke and point fingers in different directions with invalid laughable arguments like:

(1) blaming the business model

(2) saying enforcing a copyright will hurt "customers" when they weren't customers to begin with

(3) claiming they support Black business when they're steady stealing Black artist's content (music, video) on the regular
they can do whatever the fuck they want to, you don't have to like it

they can blame mother theresa if they want

I think if everyone was upfront and realistic as you expect pirates and their advocates to be there would be no problem. I'd stroll into my local music store and that new Young Lil' Skrazee album would have a sticker saying "14 Hot Tracks - 1 worth listening to" and I'd know not to buy it. I'd see the trailer for the latest action movie and it would let me know how shitty it did in screenings before its release.

But hey we can't all have it our way can we.

You're in a stolen country built on the stolen land, stolen labor and the stolen lives of millions complaining about people stealing :lol: chill bruh
 
what is mIRC?
the only thing i see online is something about a chat client

and is it a free usenet newsgroup site?
or do your have to pay for all these secure tunneling sites
 
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