50 Greatest NBA Players Argument, If you could put on 10-15players, who would u
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Come on man you cant be serious about stern making it easy for MJ. He may have exploited him in other ways but you cannot take away from that mans game. Don't forget about the hand-check and the hard fouls. Nowadays you can't even close-line a man in mid air without getting five game suspension.
Come on man you cant be serious about stern making it easy for MJ. He may have exploited him in other ways but you cannot take away from that mans game. Don't forget about the hand-check and the hard fouls. Nowadays you can't even close-line a man in mid air without getting five game suspension.
i agree and disagree...i think the refs and stern went a lil easy on mike....but at the same time, mike was everything you would want him to be. could play d, could score , could do it all......re invented the fade away when he got a lil older. he was an iconic figure......
im pissed at him because he broke up w/ juanita, and when the fuck is he gonna release those damn Jordan 11's SHIT................
I agree with you. I'll tell you how Shaq made the list. Notice they have 20 guards, 20 forwards and 10 centers. To me it looks like they sticked to a format. So shaq was forced to be on the list. I'm surprised no one else picked that up. It's just my theory though. The 50th spot should have went to Mo Cheeks or Nique.
Robert Parish?
At what point in his career was he even one of the top three centers during his time?
True, and the offensive category was scoring so maybe I do have to rethink my answer and put him in the top 50. I just saw how much better the Sixers were without him.
Well lets not compare Iversons defense to Stocktons defense.... Stockton in his prime was clearly a better defender, and Stockton had one 6'9 256 lb mofo to back him up (Assist wise)....
So Far its
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Dominique Wilkins
Reggie Miller?????
Garnett/Iverson......
I guess Kidd and Payton both Offensive and Defensive Juggernauts would not make it......
Kobe Bryant
Tim Duncan
Dominique Wilkins
Reggie Miller?????
Garnett/Iverson......
I guess Kidd and Payton both Offensive and Defensive Juggernauts would not make it......
All Stockton did was funnel his man to Eaton (who was up there in blocked shots) or whatever big man they had. He got the majority of his steals by coming from the weak side and picking the pocket of the man Karl Malone was guarding.
Iverson was not the "rip you straight up" type of defender like he was in college, he is more active by playing passing lanes.
there's a MVP and champion named tim duncan who easily discredits your proposed additions.
some of y'all got me LMMFAO over here.
20+/10+ ROY?
turning a losing EXPANSION franchise into a .500 club his ROOKIE season?
turning a losing EXPANSION franchise into a 50 and 60 game winner in each of the following seasons?
leading a losing EXPANSION franchise into a CONSECUTIVE playoffs team?
"all he did was break backboards"
the fact of the matter is, bill walton wasn't shit until maurice lucas came along.
bill walton making this list and the HOF (the same year as julius erving) was a travesty.
some of y'all got me LMMFAO over here.
20+/10+ ROY?
turning a losing EXPANSION franchise into a .500 club his ROOKIE season?
turning a losing EXPANSION franchise into a 50 and 60 game winner in each of the following seasons?
leading a losing EXPANSION franchise into a CONSECUTIVE playoffs team?
He also took them to the Finals...against Houston...
This is where your ignorance kicks in.It is not even about being in the top three during his time.Parish played in an ERA when the league had GREAT centers so being in the top 4 or 5 was still considered great.You couldn't even win a championship without a good center piece.He was an integral part of that trio(Bird,Mchale,Parish) in Boston.He matched up with the best and did well during the regular seasons and final appearances.They guy was strong,agile and he had endurance,how much centers in NBA history possess all those qualities?His present and role lifted that trio to be one of the best in NBA history.He played the most NBA games.It would be a slap in the face if Parish wasn't selected.
So even though he was going to be a average player at Golden State, and going to Boston with two other stars and Dennis Johnson saved his career...and even though he was never even one of the top three centers in the league during his career...he was one of the top players of all time
Replace Robert Parrish with Artis Gilmore, would Boston not have been as good? Hell, they probably would have won more.
And when the fuck did good, become one of the 50 greats
What kind of shit are you smoking
You consider Bob Lanier one of the top 50 of all time? And it's not even like he upped his play during the playoffs.
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i think you guys saying nique shouldn't be on the list are blinded by his dunking and scoring skills by saying he was one dimensional. he was also a decent rebounder, and he shot a decent percent from the field and beyond the three point arch. unlike most of the people on the list, nique never had a true second option to help him out. yet he still brought atlanta to playoffs 8 times on his back between 82-93. this is during the bird, jordan, and pistons reign in the east. most of those eastern conference champs had to go through nique to get to finals, and nique lit them all up.
if it wasn't for bird and the celtics, wilkins might of had a couple rings. we all see how hard it is for kobe to carry the lakers by himself, and he got lamar odom. paul pierce who has a similar style to nique minus the dunking can't even get his team over .500 in a weak eastern conference. back in 80 early 90's, the eastern conference was extremely competitive.
i think you need to take all of these factors into consideration when you make this list.
if it wasn't for bird and the celtics, wilkins might of had a couple rings. we all see how hard it is for kobe to carry the lakers by himself, and he got lamar odom. paul pierce who has a similar style to nique minus the dunking can't even get his team over .500 in a weak eastern conference. back in 80 early 90's, the eastern conference was extremely competitive.
i think you need to take all of these factors into consideration when you make this list.
as good a player as a-train was, you're wrong.
robert parrish had more range, was a better passer, and most of all, he was more mobile and quicker up the floor.
So even though he was going to be a average player at Golden State, and going to Boston with two other stars and Dennis Johnson saved his career...and even though he was never even one of the top three centers in the league during his career...he was one of the top players of all time
Replace Robert Parrish with Artis Gilmore, would Boston not have been as good? Hell, they probably would have won more.
And when the fuck did good, become one of the 50 greats
What kind of shit are you smoking
I should ask you the same thing.What kind of garbage that you just typed?Dennis Johnson saved whose career?
Adding Artis Gilmore would have won Boston more championship,says who?
We will never know since it never happened so your argument is DEAD.
And how many times we see great addition to teams end up in disasters.
Maybe we should start question who was Scottie Pippen without Jordan then since you are questioning Parish's talent?
You are drawing parallel that makes no sense in terms of choosing the 50 greatest.A retard probably have less incoherentness in his posts.Go read a book and be quiet.
they wouldn't be completely incorrect, as that reputation was earned.
it's not as if dominique wilkins had a strong overall game to begin with. his game evolved, especially the deep outside range (similar to the way earvin johnson added a deep threat).
in fact, as late as 1990 (still during dominique wilkins' most productive seasons) the scouting reports (and league veterans) always made sure to point out that dominique wilkins' was a one dimensional player.
You know what, it's always difficult when comparing two or more eras. Its no way you can transfer feelings like emotions to a place you only read about to a place you live in. There are so much factors to consider, especially when trying to compare extremes from different eras. In my book MJ is the best player ever, but don't a bump younging for rooting for KOBE.
Some off you have made good points about Tim Duncan being in top 50 before AI. Okay now, why not K.G. instead of Tim Duncan?
Some off you have made good points about Tim Duncan being in top 50 before AI. Okay now, why not K.G. instead of Tim Duncan?
the notion of including someone like tobe onto a "50 greatest" list is what impeaches your credibility.
how could any reasonable person suggest tobe when the FACTS speak for themselves:
during the shaquille o'neal era, the fakers w/l percentage in games w/o tobe was better than w/l percentage in games w/tobe.
during the shaquille o'neal era, the fakers LOST more games w/tobe as a starter than they did when he didn't start.
moreover, shouldn't some consideration be given to limiting the list to players who were good TEAMMATES, and promoted a positive image for their TEAM and the LEAGUE?
Bill was always hurt but when he played he was just as great as any other big guy in the league before and after Maurice Lucas.
So even though he was going to be a average player at Golden State, and going to Boston with two other stars and Dennis Johnson saved his career...and even though he was never even one of the top three centers in the league during his career...he was one of the top players of all time
Replace Robert Parrish with Artis Gilmore, would Boston not have been as good? Hell, they probably would have won more.
And when the fuck did good, become one of the 50 greats
What kind of shit are you smoking
You consider Bob Lanier one of the top 50 of all time? And it's not even like he upped his play during the playoffs.
Robert Parrish was way better than Artis Gilmore. He is the one third option who belongs in the top 50 his turnaround jumper was almost as unblockable as Kareem's Sky Hook. He also defended and was wirey strong. Plus he smoked a couple of L's before every game. No question he belongs
Dennis Johnson saved whose career?
Adding Artis Gilmore would have won Boston more championship,says who?
We will never know since it never happened so your argument is DEAD.
And how many times we see great addition to teams end up in disasters.
Maybe we should start question who was Scottie Pippen without Jordan then since you are questioning Parish's talent?
You are drawing parallel that makes no sense in terms of choosing the 50 greatest.A retard probably have less incoherentness in his posts.Go read a book and be quiet.
The reason Parrish can be considered one of the best all-time while not being one of the top three of his time is because the ones in-front of him were Kareem, Moses, Hakeem, Lanier and Ewing. All of those are on the list.
as good a player as a-train was, you're wrong.
robert parrish had more range, was a better passer, and most of all, he was more mobile and quicker up the floor.
And Artis was a better rebounder and defender. He would caused more of a physical mismatch for the Lakers and matched up with Moses better.
Artis was just as mobile in his younger days.
i call bullshit.
bill walton was NEVER a 20/10 man his ENTIRE career.
his rookie season, the trailblazers were a LOSING team and NO playoffs.
his second season, the trailblazers were a LOSING team and NO playoffs.
what happened when the trailblazers added maurice lucas in bill walton's third season?
the trailblazers were a WINNING team and WON a championship.
BTW, maurice lucas was a 20/10 man in both the ABA and NBA.
I knew it was coming Cranrab........ Kobe is definitely one of the 10-15 most exciting players ever if you put Dominique, Reggie Miller, and Scottie Pippen on the list than Kobe Deserves it too. Kobes is much more gifted than about 15 - 20 of the players on the list. Does that translate into winning attitude? Possibly not. I think Kobe is one of the greatest individual talents ever in the NBA.... but it may not translate into nothing but the Three rings he already has
Man you lost your damn mind. If it was not for injurys, Bill would had ben the best center in history
I'm not a huge Bill Walton fan, (his announcing sucks) but any true basketball fan respects his talent and abiltiy. Anybody that can shoot 21-22 in an championship game (NCAA) is a gamer. Sure his career was hampered and cut short by injury, but dude has 2 rings, a regular season and a Finals MVP trophy, and a 6th man of the year award, and averaged 13ppg, 10rpg, 3.4apg, and 2.2bpg over 10 years of play. That's right up there with Russell, Chamberlain, Abdul-Jabar, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, and Duncan. What else do you want from the man. He makes the cut whether you consider career achievements or ability.
in what history?
best center in college basketball history? UCLA history? hell no.
on top of that, you had to add the qualification of IF not for injury. that's the same shit i hear people say about bobby hurley and IF he hadn't had the car accident.
bullshit.
bill walton deserves a measure of respect for what he contributed to the sport, but he doesn't deserve the inordinate amount of respect people lay at his feet BY DEFAULT.
1 riding the coat-tails of maurice lucas, and the other as a legit sub (named 6th MOY) on an impressive boston celtics squad.
that regular season MVP is tainted. the only reason bill walton got that MVP was because nobody wanted to see kareem abdul jabbar get 3 in a row.
bill walton had a better (and longer) regular season the year BEFORE he won MVP.
bullshit.
After Kareem, Walton was the best college player ever. He led the UCLA team to three straight championships and shot a stupid 80% from the field. You can't put him in the same sentence with Bobby Hurley. Like I said earlier his antics behind the mic take away from his ball accomplishments. He was tall, smart and talented. Just had brittle feet and now acts like an asshole.
