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So should folks should dumb it down then for the stupid American electorate??????
Only if they want to win elections.

If you're content with Republicans running everything but you being smarter than everyone else but having zero power, then proceed.

The job of an elected politician is ro REPRESENT the voter. Not scold them. Like I said, you don't have to worry. Dems are not going to lower themselves to catering to the voter. They would rather live through a dozen Trumps and JD Vances and Rubios and Desantises before they do that.


The power belongs to the people, not to politicians. They vote in who they want to.
 
They want someone to help with their pocketbooks. Full stop. And until that's done, they don't want to hear about anything else. Real action that they can feel.

"Dems propse giving ever child a 300 tax credit every August to help pay for school clothes and school supplies..."

That would get more votes than a thousand No Kings rallies.

Dems say "we can do that TOO"

Voters don't want no gotdayum TOO. They want this to be the focus.


this is a serious wedge issue/deal breaker for dem voters. :hmm::hmm::hmm:
 


this is a serious wedge issue/deal breaker for dem voters. :hmm::hmm::hmm:

Trump said Israel should finish Gaza off and pledged full support for Israel and won every single swing state and almost all districts moved to the right - including nearly every district in NYC.


Yes, that stuff matters to "Dem voters" but there aren't enough "Dem voters" to consistently win elections. I don't know why it's such a controversial take that in order to win elections you have to convince the majority of voters to vote for you.

But dems will fight to the death to just continue to talk amongst themselves and not ever lower themselves to cater to the majority of voters. Voters have stated in poll after poll after poll the economy it far away their top concern and Dems say, fuck you, Gaza lol. Or fuck you, fascism.
 
This exact attitude is why Dems got thrown out in 2024. When voters told Dems inflation was too high, Dems said "You're wrong."

Do you want peoples votes are do you want to feel superior?
No we said A LOT more after "You're wrong" Folks didn't want to hear that coming off of a pandemic and Trumps first tax cuts are the reason why things are the way they are. They only wanted to hear that "on day one things will change!" They wanted to hear they were right to believe that money and resources were being withheld from them, and that the only way to get them was to vote Trump in. It isn't about feeling superior it is about having a conversation. Tuning people out after the first thing you DON'T want to hear is how we got here. Only voting because you don't want men playing in women's sports is how we got here.
 

We live in a country where we care NOTHING about our neighbor unless what is happening to them is happening to us. China only has to worry about Classism. There's no real racism in China...EVERYBODY'S Chinese! Here, I'm hating on my Mexican neighbors. My Mexican neighbors is hating on our Middle Eastern neighbors. With our white neighbors are hating on all of us! All the while the rich is getting richer off of us hating each other.
 
We live in a country where we care NOTHING about our neighbor unless what is happening to them is happening to us. China only has to worry about Classism. There's no real racism in China...EVERYBODY'S Chinese! Here, I'm hating on my Mexican neighbors. My Mexican neighbors is hating on our Middle Eastern neighbors. With our white neighbors are hating on all of us! All the while the rich is getting richer off of us hating each other.

That, and we live in a nation were Housing Assistance, Universal healthcare, etc. is considered "too radical" or "hand outs", even though it's literally life saving.
 
No we said A LOT more after "You're wrong" Folks didn't want to hear that coming off of a pandemic and Trumps first tax cuts are the reason why things are the way they are. They only wanted to hear that "on day one things will change!" They wanted to hear they were right to believe that money and resources were being withheld from them, and that the only way to get them was to vote Trump in. It isn't about feeling superior it is about having a conversation. Tuning people out after the first thing you DON'T want to hear is how we got here. Only voting because you don't want men playing in women's sports is how we got here.
You know what Dems didn't say?

"I understand you're hurting and we have not done enough to fix t, but we will get this right for you."

When I take my car to a mechanic, I just want him t fix it. I don't need a conversation. And if that mechanic doesn't fix it, I'll keep taking it to different mechanics until it is fixed.

Just look at the responses in this thread. Dem after dem defending a strategy that lost them everything in 2024. You show them poll after poll showing their approval rating in the 20s and it never pops in their mind that maybe we're doing something wrong for so many people to not like us.

As I have posted in this thread, the response is always...

Voters are dumb
We are perfect
We will not change a thing
 
Trump said Israel should finish Gaza off and pledged full support for Israel and won every single swing state and almost all districts moved to the right - including nearly every district in NYC.


Yes, that stuff matters to "Dem voters" but there aren't enough "Dem voters" to consistently win elections. I don't know why it's such a controversial take that in order to win elections you have to convince the majority of voters to vote for you.

But dems will fight to the death to just continue to talk amongst themselves and not ever lower themselves to cater to the majority of voters. Voters have stated in poll after poll after poll the economy it far away their top concern and Dems say, fuck you, Gaza lol. Or fuck you, fascism.
To be fair, a number of dumb ass Muslims/Pro Palestine folks were so blinded with contempt for Harris, they ignored all the obvious signs that Trump would be worse for Palestine than Harris would ever be.

Remember the clown that said he would "vote for the devil" over Harris any day?

To this day, I don't understand how they totally forget Trump 1.0 and totally ignored Trump openly telling everyone that Israel needs to "finish the job".


Of course, let's not forget all the Hispanic vote that pretty much supported Trump, even the ones who were not quite of legal status.
 
Only if they want to win elections.

If you're content with Republicans running everything but you being smarter than everyone else but having zero power, then proceed.

The job of an elected politician is ro REPRESENT the voter. Not scold them. Like I said, you don't have to worry. Dems are not going to lower themselves to catering to the voter. They would rather live through a dozen Trumps and JD Vances and Rubios and Desantises before they do that.


The power belongs to the people, not to politicians. They vote in who they want to.


Is it being true to yourself or is it thinking you are better?

Or does either matter? Is it win at all cost?

ETA: and are there consequences to dumbing it down? Or does that not matter either?
 
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I’ve always said Dems should shorten their messages to 3 things, in agreement with you. They should all be economy related. Fuck everything else

Stop thinking about what white people want and think about what you want. Do you want money or your freedom.
 


Is it being true to yourself or is it thinking you are better?

Or does either matter? Is it win at all cost?

ETA: and are there consequences to dumbing it down? Or does that not matter either?


Would the country be better with 10 years of "dumbed down" dems or 10 more years of trump or trump light.

That's your answer.

Unelected politicians help no one.
 
Also, when people say "dumb down," what exactly are they talking about? What's so difficult to grasp about what Dems do?
 
Would the country be better with 10 years of "dumbed down" dems or 10 more years of trump or trump light.

That's your answer.

Unelected politicians help no one.
I cannot fully disagree with your point because if the people are too dumb you have to still speak to them if you want their suppport.

But it is selling out somewhat because some of these tactics are not just rhetoric a lot of it becomes knowingly "feeding them junk food" and calling it nutrition

Hell even I said "Dems better nominate a vanilla white man in 2028."

That is a form of dumbing it down
 
Also, when people say "dumb down," what exactly are they talking about? What's so difficult to grasp about what Dems do?


Classic dumb it down.

I never liked Fetterman. I wanted Connor Lamb. When JF started doing this shit on the campaign trail. I knew he wasnt shit.
 


Classic dumb it down.

I never liked Fetterman. I wanted Connor Lamb. When JF started doing this shit on the campaign trail. I knew he wasnt shit.


Neil Degrasse Tyson starts a podcast called StarTalk.

Let's say in episode one he starts talking about 4D spacetime, gravity, velocity, and how those affect time through time dilation based off perspective. And at the beginning of that episode, he says, why should I dumb down my podcast because YOU don't know these things and didn't take the time to research them before clicking on my podcast.

You would say fuck you and your podcast.

Now let's say Tyson decides to first break down what 4D spacetime is with some simple to understand examples while adding some humor by having a comedian as a co-host and bringing on some guests to have simple conversations about spacetime to help the audience grasp the concepts.

You are far more likely to come back for episode 2. Did Tyson dumb down his podcast? 100%. But way, way, WAY more people will watch the dumbed down version and will learn at least something about spacetime than the non-dumbed down one. And if your goal was to have a successful podcast and actually help people understand physics, the second once does a much better job.

Dems are permanently stuck on option 1.

JUST READ THIS THREAD lol.
 
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