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playahaitian said:
I don't know if I completely agree with this part 100% but understand your overall point. We can depend on horror for always trying to flip a highly recognized concept or theme in a unique way.

Shout out Obsession.

And i think thats why we are so much more forgiving of bad horror to the point it is it's own genre.

Shout almost everything on Shudder

we also have seen as always in Hollywood an instant attempt to then franchise that "unique" project. Even when the creator swore they wouldn't like Weapons.

And also go full Terrifier etc and set out to do it from jump cause well thats just how horror in Hollywood works.

And personally I'm cool with that in horror moreso than any other genre because its always been that since the start.

Sadly in the cable, video store, DVD, streaming era the disposable art thing has gotten more and more crushing.
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I agree with this point overall but there have been notable exceptions. As I mentioned at the top of this thread, my favorite horror film is It Follows. It was a pretty unique film and, I believe, relatively popular but it hasn't been franchised. It's over a decade old and hasn't had a sequel.

Obviously that can, and probably will, change. Hollywood likes milking anything popular after all and remakes don't really have a time limit. A sequel or remake could come 40 years down the line.

That said, I really can't think of a horror film that debuted after the 90s, which is only surpassed by the 80s when comes to making endless horror sequels, that has had anything close to as many sequels as Nightmare, Friday the 13th, or Scream.

Conjuring perhaps comes close but that franchise has a whole cinematic universe featuring films that aren't direct prequels or sequels.
 
Piff Henderson said:
I agree with this point overall but there have been notable exceptions. As I mentioned at the top of this thread, my favorite horror film is It Follows. It was a pretty unique film and, I believe, relatively popular but it hasn't been franchised. It's over a decade old and hasn't had a sequel.

Obviously that can, and probably will, change. Hollywood likes milking anything popular after all and remakes don't really have a time limit. A sequel or remake could come 40 years down the line.

That said, I really can't think of a horror film that debuted after the 90s, which is only surpassed by the 80s when comes to making endless horror sequels, that has had anything close to as many sequels as Nightmare, Friday the 13th, or Scream.

Conjuring perhaps comes close but that franchise has a whole cinematic universe featuring films that aren't direct prequels or sequels.
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Piff Henderson said:
I agree with this point overall but there have been notable exceptions. As I mentioned at the top of this thread, my favorite horror film is It Follows. It was a pretty unique film and, I believe, relatively popular but it hasn't been franchised. It's over a decade old and hasn't had a sequel.

Obviously that can, and probably will, change. Hollywood likes milking anything popular after all and remakes don't really have a time limit. A sequel or remake could come 40 years down the line.

That said, I really can't think of a horror film that debuted after the 90s, which is only surpassed by the 80s when comes to making endless horror sequels, that has had anything close to as many sequels as Nightmare, Friday the 13th, or Scream.

Conjuring perhaps comes close but that franchise has a whole cinematic universe featuring films that aren't direct prequels or sequels.
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Thats semantics

Nightmare and Friday 13 has bunch of kinda sorta sequels in there catalog. Like you said same universe same franchise. So its same thing at the end of the day. Trust thats what the lawyers saying.
 
playahaitian said:
Thats semantics

Nightmare and Friday 13 has bunch of kinda sorta sequels in there catalog. Like you said same universe same franchise. So its same thing at the end of the day. Trust thats what the lawyers saying.
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Those two franchises have a buncha actual sequels in their catalogue. That's my main point. At least with The Conjuring the villain changes. It's the heroes, the Warrens, that stay the same in the sequels unless it's a the spinoff movie in the same universe.
 
Piff Henderson said:
Those two franchises have a buncha actual sequels in their catalogue. That's my main point. At least with The Conjuring the villain changes. It's the heroes, the Warrens, that stay the same in the sequels unless it's a the spinoff movie in the same universe.
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I get it... but I don't think it really makes a difference overall. We KNOW what we getting. And we seen ALL the franchises in some way or another deviate from the main story. The audience knows that. So it BEEN like that. I don't think a direct "2 years later sequel" versus a prequel or a requel or a splinter really matters anymore. Its all the same sh*t.
 
playahaitian said:
I get it... but I don't think it really makes a difference overall. We KNOW what we getting. And we seen ALL the franchises in some way or another deviate from the main story. The audience knows that. So it BEEN like that. I don't think a direct "2 years later sequel" versus a prequel or a requel or a splinter really matters anymore. Its all the same sh*t.
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It is the same shit, sorta. The Conjuring, of course, is lowest common denominator type stuff. Notice I used it as an exception to the point I was making about there being fewer sequel-heavy horror franchises. I guess Final Destination could be another exception but that franchise may have debuted in the 90s.

Anyway, even you admitted horror has changed when it comes to theme music. I'm just taking it a step further and saying it has changed in other ways as well. The horror being made today isn't the same kind of stuff that was being made in the 80s.
 
Piff Henderson said:
It is the same shit, sorta. The Conjuring, of course, is lowest common denominator type stuff. Notice I used it as an exception to the point I was making about there being fewer sequel-heavy horror franchises. I guess Final Destination could be another exception but that franchise may have debuted in the 90s.

Anyway, even you admitted horror has changed when it comes to theme music. I'm just taking it a step further and saying it has changed in other ways as well. The horror being made today isn't the same kind of stuff that was being made in the 80s.
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As it should be.

Because of youtube, social media, and streaming horror specifically has greatly benefited because of the vast ways it kind find its specific groups. So many shorts, spin offs, fan made, animated, etc their work gets attention it wouldn't have otherwise. And its both still cult/niche and mainstream. And crazy cyclical.

The fans EXPECT universes reboots sequels etc more than ever.

I think this horror Renaissance is going to have some longevity especially as it reflects our current societal condition.

It will reach a down period soon. But until then I hope for a continuation of the new ideas along with reboot refresh projects on tv and screen.

And hopefully the music follows suit.
 
playahaitian said:
As it should be.

Because of youtube, social media, and streaming horror specifically has greatly benefited because of the vast ways it kind find its specific groups. So many shorts, spin offs, fan made, animated, etc their work gets attention it wouldn't have otherwise. And its both still cult/niche and mainstream. And crazy cyclical.

The fans EXPECT universes reboots sequels etc more than ever.

I think this horror Renaissance is going to have some longevity especially as it reflects our current societal condition.

It will reach a down period soon. But until then I hope for a continuation of the new ideas along with reboot refresh projects on tv and screen.

And hopefully the music follows suit.
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I'm not sure as many fans expect reboots/remakes it as you may think. I think many more fans want live-action adaptions of books, comics, and video games, than want reboots or remakes of, say, classics like Evil Dead.

Then again I could be completely wrong about that.
 
Piff Henderson said:
I'm not sure as many fans expect reboots/remakes it as you may think. I think many more fans want live-action adaptions of books, comics, and video games, than want reboots or remakes of, say, classics like Evil Dead.

Then again I could be completely wrong about that.
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These fans get FURIOUS with almost every live v8deo game adaptation

But they always mad
 
Piff Henderson said:
This is true. They also claim to hate remakes too. Fanbases are angry by default these days. Honestly, I don't understand it.
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Bro after the money the last Scream made? AFTER the bad reviews?

I honestly for the first time actually have a LITTLE bit of sympathy for studio executives.

These fans tell you ONE THING then use their spending power to tell you the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
 
playahaitian said:
Bro after the money the last Scream made? AFTER the bad reviews?

I honestly for the first time actually have a LITTLE bit of sympathy for studio executives.

These fans tell you ONE THING then use their spending power to tell you the COMPLETE OPPOSITE.
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My only guess is that it's often a loud minority on social media.
 
Piff Henderson said:
I'm not buying Columbine would've affected that movie. A school shooting had nothing to do with that movie.

And you had shows and movies feature school shootings after Columbine like Degrassi and Elephant.
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A LOT of movies and tv shows were altered due to Columbine.

And the Faculty would have been shut down if it was released following that, people were SUPER SENSITIVE after that tragedy. I think people involved have said as much.

Buffy and Scream 3 (2000) specifically were hit hard and those may not even be the biggest or most notable.

Columbine happened April 1999

That degrassi episode was 2024 and specifically done as a teaching opportunity. And Elephant was 2003. It was well after and even still it was controversial.
 
playahaitian said:
A LOT of movies and tv shows were altered due to Columbine.

And the Faculty would have been shut down if it was released following that, people were SUPER SENSITIVE after that tragedy. I think people involved have said as much.

Buffy and Scream 3 (2000) specifically were hit hard and those may not even be the biggest or most notable.

Columbine happened April 1999

That degrassi episode was 2024 and specifically done as a teaching opportunity. And Elephant was 2003. It was well after and even still it was controversial.
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You mean 2004. I watched Degrassi as teenager. I haven't seen it in years.

Anyway, the amount of shows and movies that were altered because of Columbine likely doesn't compare to the number that were altered because of 9/11. There's an exhaustive list of pop cultural works altered because of that.
 
Speaking of Columbine and films, this the first time I've heard of this movie. Released just over six months after the Columbine High School massacre event, it was written, produced and directed by William Hellfire and Joey Smack, who also starred.
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Piff Henderson said:
You mean 2004. I watched Degrassi as teenager. I haven't seen it in years.

Anyway, the amount of shows and movies that were altered because of Columbine likely doesn't compare to the number that were altered because of 9/11. There's an exhaustive list of pop cultural works altered because of that.
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Thanks for the correction but you got my point.

I wasn't making a comparison. Its all relative. But at that time that event was very influential.

Much like the devil worship scare and D&D scare and all the way back to violence in comics.

These events at their time were equally huge shifts in entertainment.

That shooting changed a lot of projects.
 
playahaitian said:
Thanks for the correction but you got my point.

I wasn't making a comparison. Its all relative. But at that time that event was very influential.

Much like the devil worship scare and D&D scare and all the way back to violence in comics.

These events at their time were equally huge shifts in entertainment.

That shooting changed a lot of projects.
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Oh, yeah the moral panics of the past.

If I wanted to split hairs, I would probably distinguish Columbine and 9/11 from the Satanic Panic and other moral panics generally.

All of them are overreactions but I think it's different when work is censored out of sensitivity for a real tragedy -- like the two aforementioned ones -- rather than censored because some Karens and cynical politicians want to take advantage of people's fear and anger.
 
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