Ultimate Horror Film Thread

[Piff Henderson]

Jason is 6 foot 6

Michael Myers 6 foot 3

Average female height 5 foot 5

Average male height 5 foot 10



Jason speed walks and knows shortcuts to get around crystal lake.. He's only been there for decades mastering his hunting grounds.. Also think he has super strength think ray Lewis times 5

As I said b4 on here I been around Ron arrest who is like 6 foot 8 no human should be able to move that fast at his height but he does.. As I said people are lucky he chose sports cause if he wanted to be a killer no escaping that nig with a knife.. So think Jason is basically Ron artest

Also Jason has ran b4 and he infamous on jumping through windows

Ron artest on them hoes 2:45 mark

Yes, it's only plausible when you give him superhuman strength and speed (teleportation) which isn't plausible in reality. That's my point.

If Ron Arrest, Usain Bolt, or any other elite athletes were serial killers, they still wouldn't be able to do what Jason and Michael Myers does which break the laws of physics and biology. It's unrealistic which is fine but it doesn't work for me.

Hell, even more grounded slashers like Scream weren't as scary as crime thrillers Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. They looked goofy in comparison.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Yes, it's only plausible when you give him superhuman strength and speed (teleportation) which isn't plausible in reality. That's my point.

If Ron Arrest, Usain Bolt, or any other elite athletes were serial killers, they still wouldn't be able to do what Jason and Michael Myers does which break the laws of physics and biology. It's unrealistic which is fine but it doesn't work for me.

Hell, even more grounded slashers like Scream weren't as scary as crime thrillers Se7en and Silence of the Lambs. They looked goofy in comparison.

Jason been dead since he was a lil boy.. he is the undead.. of course he breaks the law of pyshics.. but if you look at his height, built, the fact he uses machetes/ax/ other weapons and has homecourt advantage of him knowing every inch of land vs shorter unarmed humans that are unfamiliar with the area logically he's gonna have a huge advantage... A human in the jungle/Forrest who doesn't know nothing about nature is prey to many animals who were born in them.. Jason is nature in human form taking on prey

 

[jack walsh13]

Keeper (2025 film) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Did anyone see this?

 

[therealjondoe]

Ok. Let's see what are your top 25 of the last 25 years
I'll start it off
In no particular order

Ring
Annihilation
It follows
Talk to me
Hereditary
Terrified
Get out
Autopsy of Jane doe
Don't breathe
Bone Tomahawk
Insidious
Conjuring
Let the right one in
Eden lake
Sinners
Train to Busan
Dawn of the Dead
Shaun of the dead
28 days later
Green Room

I'm a moron
I only listed 20 lol
It supposed to be 25 for 2000-2025
I'm adding

Saw
30 days of night
The Descent
Final Destination
Frailty

 

[tallblacknyc]

I'm a moron
I only listed 20 lol
It supposed to be 25 for 2000-2025
I'm adding

Saw
30 days of night
The Descent
Final Destination
Frailty

Funny you didn't mention any of the vhs( I still haven't seen any)

 

[therealjondoe]

Funny you didn't mention any of the vhs( I still haven't seen any)

I'd put them as an Honorable mention
Part 2 probably being the best one

 

[Piff Henderson]

Jason been dead since he was a lil boy.. he is the undead.. of course he breaks the law of pyshics.. but if you look at his height, built, the fact he uses machetes/ax/ other weapons and has homecourt advantage of him knowing every inch of land vs shorter unarmed humans that are unfamiliar with the area logically he's gonna have a huge advantage... A human in the jungle/Forrest who doesn't know nothing about nature is prey to many animals who were born in them.. Jason is nature in human form taking on prey

An advantage, sure, but in reality it wouldn't work out like it does in the films particularly if the heroes have guns. The film is highly implausible and borderline ridiculous. That's fine since, of course, he's a supernatural villain who people accept as undead but it doesn't make the film more realistic.

My point is, if your argument is that the Friday the 13th films are more frightening than, say, a film like Hereditary or The Entity because a knife-wielding maniac can actually happen, that means a more grounded thriller about a maniac, like Se7en or Silence of the Lambs, should be the scariest films.

 

[Piff Henderson]

I'd put them as an Honorable mention
Part 2 probably being the best one

I actually enjoyed V/H/S 99. The story about the undead band was really good but overall it was a good film. I haven't seen part 2 yet but I'm willing to give the series another chance based on the merit of 99 alone.

 

[tallblacknyc]

An advantage, sure, but in reality it wouldn't work out like it does in the films particularly if the heroes have guns. The film is highly implausible and borderline ridiculous. That's fine since, of course, he's a supernatural villain who people accept as undead but it doesn't make the film more realistic.

My point is, if your argument is that the Friday the 13th films are more frightening than, say, a film like Hereditary or The Entity because a knife-wielding maniac can actually happen, that means a more grounded thriller about a maniac, like Se7en or Silence of the Lambs, should be the scariest films.

A camp site with mostly young adults will more likely be filled with unarmed civilians.. Very few camps would have people that carry guns.. So the reality a 20 yr old camp counselor would lack guns or 1 on 1 combat skills vs a 6 foot 6 multiple decade experience machete wielding killing machine... Send a martial artist with a sword to go after a bunch of frailed body unarmed 20 yr olds and they will more likely kill everyone they come across.. Like its already been said there has been many mass stabbings across the world with shorter , less stronger attackers that have hurt and killed unarmed people

 

[tallblacknyc]

A camp site with mostly young adults will more likely be filled with unarmed civilians.. Very few camps would have people that carry guns.. So the reality a 20 yr old camp counselor would lack guns or 1 on 1 combat skills vs a 6 foot 6 multiple decade experience machete wielding killing machine... Send a martial artist with a sword to go after a bunch of frailed body unarmed 20 yr olds and they will more likely kill everyone they come across.. Like its already been said there has been many mass stabbings across the world with shorter , less stronger attackers that have hurt and killed unarmed people

Remember this really happened in real life

Ted Bundy sorority house killings

 

[playahaitian]

@playahaitian Lemme hear your thoughts on this.

My thoughts are he is simple minded and not worthy of consideration.

His overall point is weak and his follow-up is even weaker.

And literally the hundreds of breakdowns by professional reviewers, new film enthusiasts, academia and online social media amateurs disprove his little bullsh*t thought fart.

 

[Piff Henderson]

A camp site with mostly young adults will more likely be filled with unarmed civilians.. Very few camps would have people that carry guns.. So the reality a 20 yr old camp counselor would lack guns or 1 on 1 combat skills vs a 6 foot 6 multiple decade experience machete wielding killing machine... Send a martial artist with a sword to go after a bunch of frailed body unarmed 20 yr olds and they will more likely kill everyone they come across.. Like its already been said there has been many mass stabbings across the world with shorter , less stronger attackers that have hurt and killed unarmed people

Jason wasn't only at campsites nor has he only fought unarmed people. Also mass stabbings tend to target the vulnerable like children, the elderly, and people with special needs. A group of healthy, fit young people, who stick together, should be able to take down a single assailant armed only with a melee weapon regardless of his size.

I mean the Friday the 13th films aren't meant to be plausible. The antagonist is, quite literally, a zombie. So the idea that anything in it is plausible is pretty silly.

 

[Piff Henderson]

My thoughts are he is simple minded and not worthy of consideration.

His overall point is weak and his follow-up is even weaker.

And literally the hundreds of breakdowns by professional reviewers, new film enthusiasts, academia and online social media amateurs disprove his little bullsh*t thought fart.

Have you seen any historians break it down though?

That poster is arguing that the film's treatment of race relations in that setting, 1930s deep South, was shallow. In fact, he says Candyman had a more profound treatment of racism.

I think the best source to analyse how well Sinners handled race relations in that era would come from an historian.

BTW, this is just a question I had -- did The Twins really work for Capone or was that just rumors that was going around since they were gangsters who worked in Chicago? In reality, Black gangsters in 1930s Chicago would more than likely be working for "policy kings" (godfathers of the numbers game) rather than for Capone who was a racist.

 

[playahaitian]

Have you seen any historians break it down though?

That poster is arguing that the film's treatment of race relations in that setting, 1930s deep South, was shallow. In fact, he says Candyman had a more profound treatment of racism.

I think the best source to analyse how well Sinners handled race relations in that era would come from an historian.

BTW, this is just a question I had -- did The Twins really work for Capone or was that just rumors that was going around since they were gangsters who worked in Chicago? In reality, Black gangsters in 1930s Chicago would more than likely be working for "policy kings" (godfathers of the numbers game) rather than for Capone who was a racist.

Go to the main sinners thread bro.

I covered all that already.

that reddit guy isnt saying nothing.

 

[ThaBurgerPimp]

Like how the v.o is trying to sound like Percy Rodrigues

 

[tallblacknyc]

Jason wasn't only at campsites nor has he only fought unarmed people. Also mass stabbings tend to target the vulnerable like children, the elderly, and people with special needs. A group of healthy, fit young people, who stick together, should be able to take down a single assailant armed only with a melee weapon regardless of his size.

I mean the Friday the 13th films aren't meant to be plausible. The antagonist is, quite literally, a zombie. So the idea that anything in it is plausible is pretty silly.

There's been individuals that walked into bars with machetes and went to town with customers at bars.. There's been threads showing different stabbings , knife attacks, machete.. Hell a guy in NY took out 3 people in broad daylight in lower Manhattan less than a yr ago.. 60,000 cops in NYC and dude still did what he did and didn't get killed(just arrested).. Jason only ventured out in Friday the 13th part 8( Jason take Manhattan).. most times he was on camp grounds or near it.. That's why Friday the 13 were cheap to make for most part he was always pretty much in particular small locations in the woods

 

[Piff Henderson]

There's been individuals that walked into bars with machetes and went to town with customers at bars.. There's been threads showing different stabbings , knife attacks, machete.. Hell a guy in NY took out 3 people in broad daylight in lower Manhattan less than a yr ago.. 60,000 cops in NYC and dude still did what he did and didn't get killed(just arrested).. Jason only ventured out in Friday the 13th part 8( Jason take Manhattan).. most times he was on camp grounds or near it.. That's why Friday the 13 were cheap to make for most part he was always pretty much in particular small locations in the woods

The fact that he stayed on campgrounds just makes it even more implausible. You'd think after the first group of unsolved murders, people would either avoid Camp Crystal Lake or, at least, arm themselves for a possible violent encounter. Those films don't pass the smell test.

Also can you cite a specific event? Which event had someone walking into a bar with a machete and murdering multiple people who were probably drunk anyway?

 

[Piff Henderson]

Go to the main sinners thread bro.

I covered all that already.

that reddit guy isnt saying nothing.

I avoided that thread initially because I hadn't seen the film until well after it came out and I just never circled back to it.

Anyway, the question I asked had nothing to do with that poster. It was based on my research. It's highly unlikely Black gangsters would be working for Capone in any capacity. They probably would've battled Capone or, more likely, Sam Giancana but wouldn't have worked for him.

And I asked for an historian's analysis. Are there professional historians on BGOL? That's a serious question because I know we have a lot professionals here but I never heard about an historian specifically.

 

[tallblacknyc]

The fact that he stayed on campgrounds just makes it even more implausible. You'd think after the first group of unsolved murders, people would either avoid Camp Crystal Lake or, at least, arm themselves for a possible violent encounter. Those films don't pass the smell test.

Also can you cite a specific event? Which event had someone walking into a bar with a machete and murdering multiple people who were probably drunk anyway?

There's a area in Georgia that every yr white people go to during the summer for parties, camping, hanging out.. Every yr someone pretty much dies or get seriously hurt.. Been happen for decades.. Its said that the river literally hides an old black town where bunch of black people got killed during slavery.. People been said this place is cursed and every yr this happens.. This is actually a true story.. In fact its multiple threads on it.. So never question would humans continue to return to a place where people lose their lives.. Cause it happens in the real world

Quick Google search there was a machete attack this month where 3 women got hit up.. 2 died , 1 seriously got injured, and a dog got killed.. Wasn't bar but at home.. This happened in america.. There were several machete attacks This yr in america.. Now Google other countries where they happen more often and dudes are surgical with the machete

Two women and a service dog killed in machete attack, police say

Two women are dead and one was hospitalized after a machete attack in Pennsylvania.

www.kptv.com

 

[Piff Henderson]

There's a area in Georgia that every yr white people go to during the summer for parties, camping, hanging out.. Every yr someone pretty much dies or get seriously hurt.. Been happen for decades.. Its said that the river literally hides an old black town where bunch of black people got killed during slavery.. People been said this place is cursed and every yr this happens.. This is actually a true story.. In fact its multiple threads on it.. So never question would humans continue to return to a place where people lose their lives.. Cause it happens in the real world

Quick Google search there was a machete attack this month where 3 women got hit up.. 2 died , 1 seriously got injured, and a dog got killed.. Wasn't bar but at home.. This happened in america.. There were several machete attacks This yr in america.. Now Google other countries where they happen more often and dudes are surgical with the machete

Two women and a service dog killed in machete attack, police say

Two women are dead and one was hospitalized after a machete attack in Pennsylvania.

www.kptv.com

Yeah, I imagine many of those deaths are related to drinking. That happens at a lot events where people get together to party. Inevitably people get drunk, fights break out, people get hurt and sometimes die. None of that sounds unusual or requires an undead maniac to explain. Camp Crystal Lake is stalked by one guy wearing a mask. That should be easy to either avoid or lookout for.

And, yeah, there are violent countries where are guns are either difficult to acquire or expensive so they use objects like machetes to commit violence. There's no need for a supernatural serial killer to explain any of that.

Seriously though, you don't really believe Jason is a more grounded antagonist than Buffalo Bill right?

 

[tallblacknyc]

Yeah, I imagine many of those deaths are related to drinking. That happens at a lot events where people get together to party. Inevitably people get drunk, fights break out, people get hurt and sometimes die. None of that sounds unusual or requires an undead maniac to explain. Camp Crystal Lake is stalked by one guy wearing a mask. That should be easy to either avoid or lookout for.

And, yeah, there are violent countries where are guns are either difficult to acquire or expensive so they use objects like machetes to commit violence. There's no need for a supernatural serial killer to explain any of that.

Seriously though, you don't really believe Jason is a more grounded antagonist than Buffalo Bill right?

Here's a knife attack that happened yesterday.. 1 guy killed at least 3 people in Taiwan... Hundreds of people running

 

[Piff Henderson]

Here's a knife attack that happened yesterday.. 1 guy killed at least 3 people in Taiwan... Hundreds of people running

Was he a zombie?

Taiwan isn't exactly known for its firearms either. But since you mentioned people running, why does that never seem to work in Jason films? Maybe due to the fact that despite him being depicted as slow and lumbering, he can also teleport.

Anyway, why do you keep posting knife attacks? I already told you I know all about them. That doesn't make Friday the 13th plausible.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Like how the v.o is trying to sound like Percy Rodrigues

First time seeing this movie.

 

[Piff Henderson]

Here's a knife attack that happened yesterday.. 1 guy killed at least 3 people in Taiwan... Hundreds of people running

"Seeking to calm a nation unaccustomed to violence."

And it shows. People had to be told to take cover. They didn't have the sense that they were in danger and/or didn't know how to protect themselves. The fact that no one ran this muthafucka over when he was in the street is a dead giveaway this isn't the US.

Totally different culture than the US where Jason films are set, my guy.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Did anyone see this?

Ugh.
I really dislike this bitch. She's an excellent actress but an extreme feminist and all of her work is starting to reflect that. So much so, to the point that I don't even want to see anything that she's in. This whole movie is subliminally about "the evil men do" and how women don't catch the warning signs.

 

[tallblacknyc]

Was he a zombie?

Taiwan isn't exactly known for its firearms either. But since you mentioned people running, why does that never seem to work in Jason films? Maybe due to the fact that despite him being depicted as slow and lumbering, he can also teleport.

Anyway, why do you keep posting knife attacks? I already told you I know all about them. That doesn't make Friday the 13th plausible.

So in 1980 young 20 yr olds were seasoned survivalist for summer camp? Come on.. you said people wouldn't let a single person win in a knife attack and I posted a few scenarios just this month even with modern day technology.. my point was to show that humans aren't natural organized fighters and that a single person can take multiple people at times.. while even though the supernatural factor isn't true but mass stabbing can happen

 

[Piff Henderson]

So in 1980 young 20 yr olds were seasoned survivalist for summer camp? Come on.. you said people wouldn't let a single person win in a knife attack and I posted a few scenarios just this month even with modern day technology.. my point was to show that humans aren't natural organized fighters and that a single person can take multiple people at times.. while even though the supernatural factor isn't true but mass stabbing can happen

It's called flight or fight, my guy. You don't have to be a seasoned anything to fight for your life, or flee. What you showed was an assailant wildly attacking people in a very short sequence. He likely had the element of surprise before the attack started.

With Jason, they know they're in danger after the first or so kill but still do nothing to ensure their survival. And he wouldn't have the element of surprise because he looks fucking dangerous. He doesn't look like a normal person at all.

And I'll ask again, do you really believe Friday the 13th is more grounded in reality than a thriller like Silence of the Lambs? That was the point of the entire discussion; that thrillers are more grounded in reality. No one fears than an assailant like Jason will actually happen in real life.

 

[Piff Henderson]

So in 1980 young 20 yr olds were seasoned survivalist for summer camp? Come on.. you said people wouldn't let a single person win in a knife attack and I posted a few scenarios just this month even with modern day technology.. my point was to show that humans aren't natural organized fighters and that a single person can take multiple people at times.. while even though the supernatural factor isn't true but mass stabbing can happen

Also in 1980 it was Mama Vorhees doing the killing and not Jason, right?

 

[Piff Henderson]

 

[Piff Henderson]

Ugh.
I really dislike this bitch. She's an excellent actress but an extreme feminist and all of her work is starting to reflect that. So much so, to the point that I don't even want to see anything that she's in. This whole movie is subliminally about "the evil men do" and how women don't catch the warning signs.

But is it a good movie though?

 

[tallblacknyc]

It's called flight or fight, my guy. You don't have to be a seasoned anything to fight for your life, or flee. What you showed was an assailant wildly attacking people in a very short sequence. He likely had the element of surprise before the attack started.

With Jason, they know they're in danger after the first or so kill but still do nothing to ensure their survival. And he wouldn't have the element of surprise because he looks fucking dangerous. He doesn't look like a normal person at all.

And I'll ask again, do you really believe Friday the 13th is more grounded in reality than a thriller like Silence of the Lambs? That was the point of the entire discussion; that thrillers are more grounded in reality. No one fears than an assailant like Jason will actually happen in real life.

Jason movies are usually one on one killings and him sneaking up on them.. That's actually most of his kills.. Kinda like serial killers.. They usually take on one victim at a time and its a sneak thing.. No movie really starts off with him in a room full of people and he just go crazy trying to kill 30 people at once.. Its always people just doing everyday activities or bout to have sex and he pops up... Its why other people don't know what's going on, they not thinking a mass murderer is on the loose taking people out.. Kinda like in real life when people next door neighbors could be killed and have no idea... Ask yourself why do we have real life serial killers that have double digit body counts that kill for yrs without being suspects? Cause the one on one surprise element and people not being aware there's a murderer on the loose or something going on next door

 

[tallblacknyc]

Also in 1980 it was Mama Vorhees doing the killing and not Jason, right?

She had one movie, 1980 when she did the killing.. She caught all her victims off guard.. Kinda like that clip of Ted Bundy catching he female sorority chicks off guard in their sleep when he killed them.. We know Ted Bundy a true story and there are many killings when people were sleeping, caught from behind, occupied in real life.. There have been female serial killers in real life, that used knifes etc... No supernatural element there.. Just a bipolar female on a killing spree.. Definitely has happened in real life

 

[tallblacknyc]

IWhat you showed was an assailant wildly attacking people in a very short sequence. He likely had the element of surprise before the attack started

With Jason, they know they're in danger after the first or so kill but still do nothing to ensure their survival. And he wouldn't have the element of surprise because he looks fucking dangerous. He doesn't look like a normal person at all.

not true at all most Jason movies most people are completely unaware that a person is on a killing spree.. It isn't till the end most of the time when its revealed to the last victims that a bunch of people are dead, than they see the trail of bodies, lot of times its in an enclosed place where its hard to escape, they don't know the reason why its happening, some try to run and he pops out on them, some try to fight or flight.. This usually happens toward the end.. Most people lose in a fight vs an armed person.. In real life most people lose when somebody has a weapon and they dont.. You think its more criminals in the ground than victims of violent attacks? Put a machete in one person hand who is stronger, taller, knows how to use a weapon vs a smaller, weaker, person who doesn't know how to fight and lets see which 1 is more likely to win

 

[tallblacknyc]

It's called flight or fight, my guy. You don't have to be a seasoned anything to fight for your life, or flee. What you showed was an assailant wildly attacking people in a very short sequence. He likely had the element of surprise before the attack started.

With Jason, they know they're in danger after the first or so kill but still do nothing to ensure their survival. And he wouldn't have the element of surprise because he looks fucking dangerous. He doesn't look like a normal person at all.

And I'll ask again, do you really believe Friday the 13th is more grounded in reality than a thriller like Silence of the Lambs? That was the point of the entire discussion; that thrillers are more grounded in reality. No one fears than an assailant like Jason will actually happen in real life.

So serial killers helping solve other serial killers case is more plausible... Where they cut people faces off and use them as mask, than lift their bodies up and put them on the roofs of elevators is believable, than literally escaping holding cells with someone face skin on top of theirs.. Yeah whole movie definitely believable... Both movies are shit that you have to completely separate reality and enjoy the show.. Jason knows he's a fraud , silence wants you to think he's not.. Liver and fava beans( weird slurping sounds)

 

[Piff Henderson]

Jason movies are usually one on one killings and him sneaking up on them.. That's actually most of his kills.. Kinda like serial killers.. They usually take on one victim at a time and its a sneak thing.. No movie really starts off with him in a room full of people and he just go crazy trying to kill 30 people at once.. Its always people just doing everyday activities or bout to have sex and he pops up... Its why other people don't know what's going on, they not thinking a mass murderer is on the loose taking people out.. Kinda like in real life when people next door neighbors could be killed and have no idea... Ask yourself why do we have real life serial killers that have double digit body counts that kill for yrs without being suspects? Cause the one on one surprise element and people not being aware there's a murderer on the loose or something going on next door

And so what kind of training does he, or his mother, have that gives them the ability to stealth kill people or to use arrows with deadly accuracy? Don't tell me it's because they're so used to the land and spent their time hunting squirrels and other woodland critters. The stealth stuff is ridiculous too.

I can see killing one person that way but not multiple people without alerting the others. Killing multiple people like it's Solid Snake is just silly.

Serial killers generally don't do this either. While it's true serial killers don't kill a lot of people in a single event like mass shooters, they don't usually use stealth either. They generally gain the victims trust or target vulnerable (that word again) people like prostitutes, runaways, or the homeless/drug addicted. This is why their neighbors generally don't know what they're up to. They're usually smart enough not to shit where they eat.