that's exactly what the director was saying.
Ultimate Horror Film Thread
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that's exactly what the director was saying.
I guess, you're not understanding....open your eyes, the horror film is part of the African American experience in the United States.
Bro, this is a horror film thread. I agree white supremacy is awful but this isn't the thread for that. The African American experience isn't a film. It's reality.
Yeah, I heard him mention the comics. It would be cool if it's remade with that in mind.
but that being said? It would not have been as big of a hit during that time.
Jim and that director writer and SFX were a perfect storm.
Probably because it would've been R rated. The goal was to maximize profits so the film they made was the best way to do that.
but you right though a STRAIGHT horror interpretation like the comics were the mask is cursed and turns people into killers could REALLY work right NOW.
Family friendly... A parent has to pay for a kid.. That's at least 2 tix sold over 1 adult paying for themselves as an r rated movie.. The biggest finesse to kid movies multiple tix sales due to accompany by parents
Not the mention Stanley is killed in the comics so it doesn't end on a good note.
And that's why studios try to avoid R ratings, but that could work in the favor of R rated films too. The reason is because kids, let's say 10 and above, can watch anything lower than R on their own but would need someone at least 17 with them to watch an R rated film. That could mean more ticket sales.
The only thing that hurts that plan is that many households don't let their kids view R rated films.
Yes, the reality of being chained in the holds of slave ship with urine and feces flowing under your feet is worse than any horror film. A lot of times I feel like Black people are in a horror situation while watching horror movies, it's like the movie Inception, however it's a horror within a horror rather than a dream within a dream.
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I agree with this but what is your prescription? Black people would be living in horror while looking at a comedy or action film too. The movie that's being watched doesn't change the reality of what we're living.
Do you recommend we not watch horror because reality is already horror or do you believe horror is just a good metaphor for our experience here?
Yes, there is always a horror element to the Black experience as for your assertion "The movie that's being watched doesn't change the reality of what we're living..." I only made a comment about some aspects to the Black experience; I'm only pointing out the irony of watching a horror movie within a horror situation. When I understand the full context of my reality historically then the tradition horror films are less scary; instead I think about my ancestors and what happened to them. Literally my grandfather who was born in 1918 told me that he had met a former enslaved person as a child. That's wild. Oh and I never said, don't watch horror films. What I said was commentary.
Let me add: I'll recommend a film that I view as horror, it's a classic Brazilian film I first saw in 1993; it is called Quilombo (1984). It's about a community of escaped (maroons) former enslaved community called the Palmares. It takes place around 1650 and during the film they resist re-enslavement. It's a powerful, beautiful, and a disturbing film.
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It's ironic but it also makes sense. Horror films are just another form of escapism. You're escaping the horror you're really living by watching a fictional piece of horror that ends when the credits roll.
It's really no different than people telling each other ghost stories. A well-told story let's you forget the situation you're living in even if only for a little while.
And I'm aware of Quilombo but I don't view it as a horror. It's an historical film. I could call it a period film but you already expressed your distrust of that term in another thread.
I'm saying... that IS a real story for a real script that would SELL in this climate
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The title by writer James Tynion IV and artist Werther Dell’Edera is the biggest horror comic since 'The Walking Dead.'
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@Piff Henderson
they lurking and they targeting me.
I said, I view Quilombo as a horror film, something can be historical and a horror film; it doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. As for the idea of escapism, I don't view what I watch as escapism. I'm not escaping from anything. It's like reading a book, am I escaping something when I read a book? I'm not. What I'm doing is digesting art and/or information.
Oh and when I posted Quilombo was not to make you aware of the film, however.... what I was doing was contributing to the thread. The film was for anyone else and it was example of what I consider horror, personally.
Lastly, you said "you already expressed your distrust of that term in another thread," and I don't know what you're talking about.
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There are agents all over this thread.Horror Comic ‘Something Is Killing the Children’ Getting Movie and Series Adaptations in Blumhouse Deal (Exclusive)
The title by writer James Tynion IV and artist Werther Dell’Edera is the biggest horror comic since 'The Walking Dead.'
@Piff Henderson
they lurking and they targeting me.
You can view what you consume any way you like. When I watch something for entertainment, it is a form of escapism. If it wasn't, I wouldn't waste my time viewing it. And, historical films and horror films don't have to be mutually exclusive but Quilombo isn't in the horror genre regardless of what you may consider it to be.
As for why you posted the film, that's cool. Everything that's posted in here is for everyone but you are in a conversion with me and you did recommend that I watch it, so that was why I informed you I am aware of the film.
Finally, you expressed in another thread that believe period films are made to exclude Black ppl. This is why I refrained from calling Quilombo a period film thinking you make take issue with that description of it.
I didn't recommend Quilombo to you, that statement was meant for the thread as a whole, though: plus, it was used as an example to show what I consider a form of horror. As for escapism, I don't watch for escapism instead I watch at digest art, to learn more about truths and metaphors about the human condition, and to learn in general.
Again, I view Quilombo as more than just a historical film; really, I don't even think you saw the film: you keep on saying "I'm aware of the film" which means you haven't seen it. Anyway, let's agree to disagree.
Lastly, you said that I said "period films are made to exclude Black people," that's just a quip I made, that's all.
And @tallblacknyc been yelling for years that this horror Renaissance was coming especially after all these big budget flicks under performing. And he was right.
Hey playa look who won the box office back to back weeks hehehe.. didn’t I say horror and comedies are the flip kings.. didn’t I say weapons was gonna be a 8-9 figs moneymaker..they continue to deny niggadamaus
Box Office: ‘Weapons’ Slays ‘Nobody 2’ With $25M, Sydney Sweeney’s ‘Americana’ Drops $500K Bomb
Disney's 'Freakier Friday' also beat the $9.3 million domestic opening of Bob Odenkirk's action-comedy 'Nobody' sequel with a second-weekend haul of $14.5 million.
Sadly I also feel these executives gonna mess this boom time up.
Yes, you mentioned it was recommended for the thread already. My point is that I assumed it was recommended to me since you were having a conversation with me. I didn't object to you posting it. And, as I said, you, and everyone else, can watch media for whatever reasons you want to.
Personally, I watch all kinds of media for all kinds of reasons. Not all of it is art and made to impart "truths and metaphors about the human condition." Some of it is just entertainment.
Does it matter if I saw it or not? I have known about the film and its subject for years. That doesn't change the genre of the film. You can can consider it a horror if you like. That doesn't make it a horror. And, yes, we can agree to disagree. I assumed that was understood already.
Quip or not, you wrote it and made arguments supporting that assertion. So you can understand if I took it to be a serious opinion on your part.
I'm gonna need you expound on this statement a bit more.
Why are you even mentioning another thread where I made a random quip? You can't even post the link to the thread. You're doing too much; I've already told it was it just quip and you took it deadly serious. Man, come on!
Oh and like I said, you didn't see Quilombo so you're talking about something that you don't know anything about.
I see that you think of things as either this or that so when I said "truths and metaphors about the human condition," I can be entertained, also. My issue with you was about term escapism and not about being entertained. I see trying to switch up on me, you're not slick..bruh.
Why are mentioning historical dramas in horror thread? And why should I have to post the link? You know you made the "quip." In fact, I just posted on that thread a few days ago when I told you about ok.ru. You seemed to have been serious in the thread, if you weren't, alright. We can move on.
No, you're talking about a film that's demonstrably not a horror film in a horror film thread. That's all that matters.
I couldn't care less about your "issues" with me. I said escapism and meant escapism. You can object with that word all you want. Entertainment is escapism with me. I'm not trying to be "slick" because this conversation doesn't matter at all. You have your views and I have mine. If you don't like my views, then leave the thread, bruh.
Also I get that you want the last word but can we stop derailing the thread? This isn't a discussion about horror films. Arguing about terms like "escapism" and what counts as horror was not the intention of this thread.
I made one comment about white supremacy and horror, and I was fine to leave it at that; however, you're the one who replied to me and repeatedly replied when I already made my position known. I clarified what I wanted to say, and then, I even said "let's agree to disagree." Subsequently, you continued with the issue even going as far as introducing a red herring by pointing to another thread where I made a quip about period film which had nothing to do with this thread.
Lastly, you said "Why are mentioning historical dramas in horror thread?"....did we not have a discussion about this issue already? I told that I considered that film a horror and it also could be a historical film, it's not mutually exclusive and basically, why should it even matter to you because you have not seen the film: oh, but you're aware of the film.
Let me add, I don't have any issues with you at all. This was just a random discussion to me. However with you, you're asking me to leave the thread, because we disagree on a few issues. Lighting up, bruh, it ain't that deep.
You made a comment about white supremacy in a horror thread. You didn't relate it to subject of the thread at all. I replied with a respectful comment about making a horror film about that subject and you became hostile. I again replied respectfully about horror being escapism and you took "issue" -- verbatim -- with that word. This is the reason the discussion became contentious.
BTW, starting a reply with "I don't think you understand what I'm saying..." isn't the best way to start an agreeable conversation for future notice.
Furthermore, you became hostile again when I mentioned what you wrote in another thread. I didn't mention it as a red herring since I didn't consider our discussion a debate. In fact, I was clear why I brought it up. You recommended a period film and I said I avoided calling it that because you argued elsewhere you have a low opinion of period films.
I apologize for expecting continuity between threads. I didn't think another thread was a different universe. If someone tells me something in a particular thread, I assume they still hold that opinion in other threads.
Yes, you said numerous time you consider the film a horror. That's fine. That doesn't make it a horror though. Making it an issue about if I've watched the film or not is a red herring since I didn't make any claim about the film apart from saying it's not a horror which it isn't. This thread is about films in the horror genre. If ppl were to just talk about any subject or film they wanted because they consider it a horror, it would derail the thread.
No, I didn't ask you to leave the thread. You're misconstruing what I wrote. I said if you have "issues" with me and my word usage -- you literally wrote "my issue with you..." -- you can leave the thread. I stand by my use of the word escapism. I'm not debating that word with you.
Piff, a disagreement and a difference of opinion isn't hostility; I simply had a discussion with you and you are now turning that discussion into a pointless diatribe. Yes, I said "I don't think you understand what I'm saying..." because of what you said to me:
"Now make a film about it preferably in the horror genre."
& you didn't understand what I was saying so I elaborated what I meant, and hence, here we are more than seven hours later and I'm still explaining what I meant to you. & on top of that, you keep on mentioning a quip I made in another thread AKA your red herring: from my comment I made seven hours ago in this thread, you want to expand the discussion to another thread which had nothing to do with the discussion in this thread. Make it Make sense!
Let's discuss what you just told me: these are your words~~~
"Yes, you said numerous time you consider the film a horror. That's fine. That doesn't make it a horror though. Making it an issue about if I've watched the film or not is a red herring since I didn't make any claim about the film apart from saying it's not a horror which it isn't. This thread is about films in the horror genre. If ppl were to just talk about any subject or film they wanted because they consider it a horror, it would derail the thread."
I clearly said two times, "let's agree to disagree," however you said ""Yes, you said numerous time you consider the film a horror. That's fine." Then you continue on with discussing what I thought we agreed to disagree about: I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me so what's the point in going back and forth, huh?
Lastly, this is what I said using the word 'issue':
"I see that you think of things as either this or that so when I said "truths and metaphors about the human condition," I can be entertained, also. My issue with you was about term escapism and not about being entertained. I see trying to switch up on me, you're not slick..bruh."
Bruh, the larger question is, from me disagreeing with you, why would it lead you to say this?:
"You have your views and I have mine. If you don't like my views, then leave the thread, bruh."
This is literally what you what you said, then I replied:
"Let me add, I don't have any issues with you at all. This was just a random discussion to me. However with you, you're asking me to leave the thread, because we disagree on a few issues. Lighting up, bruh, it ain't that deep."
Then from there you pounced on just the words "issue/issues" rather than seeing the context and connotation how said it differently the first time I said to the other times I said it. The first time I said "issue" I was referring to how you conveniently left off the word 'escapism' and replaced it with "entertainment' in that specific response with me. & in the other response to you, I used the word "issues" using it to connote that I don't have any serious problems with you especially not enough of problem with you to leave the thread.
I completely agree a disagreement of opinion isn't necessarily hostility. It can be hostility depending on how you express that difference though. This is a text-based discussion so nuance is lost. Up to this point, discussions in this thread haven't lead to contentious debate so you can see why replies like yours can be misinterpreted as hostile.
It also doesn't help when you're being accused of being "slick" for no apparent reason. Just as you said you consider Quilombo a horror, I made it clear that, to me, "entertainment" and "escapism" are interchangeable. I wasn't trying to be "slick" by using one for the other and didn't appreciate the accusation.
Anyway, it seems most of the disagreement was caused by misunderstanding from both parties. Compared to others in this thread, I haven't communicated with you as much. So, obviously, it's easier to misinterpret your tone and intent.
Anyway, we can move on like I suggested several hours ago. I don't want to derail the thread with off-topic discussion.
And I'll just say you blew up the quip thing out of all proportion. If you're statement was a quip so was mine. It was just a clever way of showing you I can recall things of yours I've read in the past and relate them to the current topic. It wasn't supposed to be a gotcha but you clearly took it that way. That should be proof that intentions can be misinterpreted.
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Did anyone see Wolf Man 2025? I plan on watching but haven't seen it yet.
Bruh, I hear you what you're saying and again, let's agree to disagree; I'm OK with that. We have differences and I could tread the same waters to repeat those differences, but it's time to move on. Hey, have a good day; it's been an interesting discussion with you.
Heard it was trash that's why I didn't watch it.. heard from a reviews and one of my boysDid anyone see Wolf Man 2025? I plan on watching but haven't seen it yet.
Damn. I just picked it up too. I'm still gonna watch it though. The chick who plays the mom was also in Weapons and I liked her performance.
Same and have a good day as well.
Thanks, bruh.....
