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Who comes off as more honest and less self-serving?



I think Barkley wins the argument with LeBron. LeBron is arguing for himself, Barkley is arguing against himself-- because he's speaking his truth with no agenda.

Lebron killed himself because dude went to Miami to win rings!! and said as much; "not one, not 2 not 3 not 4 blah blah blah; so why say that if thats not the case? unless he has had a change of heart :hmm:
 
Sick sports portfolio





Asshole is the Thanos of Sports teams lol

So Magic back in charge...

He part of the Walters ownership group ..

Well played...

Magic not getting a chunk?
Dude is about to package the Dodgers and Lakers(and all the rest of his teams) into a streaming deal for media viewership shit! and make a killing, book it!! Lakers and Dodgers gonna be worth 20 billion :giggle:
 
Problem is if he refuses to agree to resign what team is going to send the house for him ?
So what!! there are teams out there that will take that risk; thats why there are reports of Toronto and Minny lurking; because they dont care or will try to persuade him to stay or it wont matter; lets go for it and if he leaves or it doesnt work out then so be it...
 
So what!! there are teams out there that will take that risk; thats why there are reports of Toronto and Minny lurking; because they dont care or will try to persuade him to stay or it wont matter; lets go for it and if he leaves or it doesnt work out then so be it...
Then why isn't he a raptor or a wolf yet
 
CBA says otherwise...

I don't know this guy's pockets but I'm pretty sure if Elon owned a team he could blow past any aprons for a decade straight easily. I'm sure others could as well.

Not saying you're wrong about what will happen in practice but I think you're wrong about what is possible.
 
I don't know this guy's pockets but I'm pretty sure if Elon owned a team he could blow past any aprons for a decade straight easily. I'm sure others could as well.

Not saying you're wrong about what will happen in practice but I think you're wrong about what is possible.

With Steve Balmer’s fortune, could he spend past the NBA’s second apron for ten years straight without financial concern?

ChatGPT said:​


Yes—by an almost absurd margin. Here’s why:

  • Second‑apron threshold: For the 2024‑25 season, the NBA’s second apron is set at $188.931 million in team salary pr.nba.com. Any roster payroll above that level triggers the harshest roster and tax restrictions under the current CBA.
  • Steve Ballmer’s net worth: As of April 2025, Forbes estimates Ballmer’s personal fortune at $118 billionforbes.com.
Now, even if Ballmer’s Clippers chose to spend right at that second‑apron level every year—and then paid whatever luxury tax penalties came with it—it would barely register on his balance sheet:

Expense CategoryAnnual Cost (approx.)
Team payroll at second apron$188.931 M
Luxury tax on, say, $20 M over the line(20 M × $3.75) = $75 M
Total “worst‑case” annual outlay≈ $264 M
  • Ten‑year total:
    $264 million × 10 years ≃ $2.64 billion
  • Share of Ballmer’s wealth:
    $2.64 billion ÷ $118 billion ≃ 2.2 %
Even if you jacked payroll up to $200 million, or consistently pushed $30 million–$50 million over the tax line (with steeper tiered penalties), you’re still talking about a few hundred million per season—literally pocket change for someone worth north of $100 billion.

Bottom line: Yes. Steve Ballmer could clear the NBA’s second apron—for ten straight seasons—without denting more than a few percent of his overall net worth.
 
With Steve Balmer’s fortune, could he spend past the NBA’s second apron for ten years straight without financial concern?

ChatGPT said:​


Yes—by an almost absurd margin. Here’s why:

  • Second‑apron threshold: For the 2024‑25 season, the NBA’s second apron is set at $188.931 million in team salary pr.nba.com. Any roster payroll above that level triggers the harshest roster and tax restrictions under the current CBA.
  • Steve Ballmer’s net worth: As of April 2025, Forbes estimates Ballmer’s personal fortune at $118 billionforbes.com.
Now, even if Ballmer’s Clippers chose to spend right at that second‑apron level every year—and then paid whatever luxury tax penalties came with it—it would barely register on his balance sheet:

Expense CategoryAnnual Cost (approx.)
Team payroll at second apron$188.931 M
Luxury tax on, say, $20 M over the line(20 M × $3.75) = $75 M
Total “worst‑case” annual outlay≈ $264 M
  • Ten‑year total:
    $264 million × 10 years ≃ $2.64 billion
  • Share of Ballmer’s wealth:
    $2.64 billion ÷ $118 billion ≃ 2.2 %
Even if you jacked payroll up to $200 million, or consistently pushed $30 million–$50 million over the tax line (with steeper tiered penalties), you’re still talking about a few hundred million per season—literally pocket change for someone worth north of $100 billion.

Bottom line: Yes. Steve Ballmer could clear the NBA’s second apron—for ten straight seasons—without denting more than a few percent of his overall net worth.

If they filled their entire roster with the highest salary players possible under the NBA’s current CBA for ten years straight, what would the tax consequences be and what would be the impact on Ballmer?

ChatGPT said:​


Under the current CBA, no team may exceed the second apron (hard‑cap) of $188.931 million in total payroll. That means the very highest you could push a Clippers roster is to spend right up to that hard‑cap—regardless of how many veteran‑max players you wanted to jam on the books.


1. Payroll and taxes, year‑by‑year​

Amount (2024‑25)
Second‑apron hard cap$188 931 000 moptt.twreuters.com
Luxury‑tax threshold$170 814 000 moptt.tw
Overage$188 931 000 – $170 814 000 = $18 117 000

Repeater luxury‑tax rates​

(“Repeater” = teams over the tax line in 3 of 4 prior seasons) en.wikipedia.org

Overage BucketTax per $1Max in BucketTotal Tax
$ 0–5 M$ 2.50$ 5 M$ 12.50 M
$ 5–10 M$ 3.50$ 5 M$ 17.50 M
$ 10–15 M$ 4.25$ 5 M$ 21.25 M
$ 15–18.117 M (remainder)$ 4.75$ 3.117 M$ 14.81 M
Total luxury tax$ 66.06 M
  • Annual cash outlay =
    > $188.931 M (salaries)
    > + $ 66.06 M (tax)
    = $ 254.99 M per season

2. Ten‑year totals​

  • Salaries: $ 188.931 M × 10 = $ 1.889 B
  • Luxury tax: $ 66.06 M × 10 = $ 660.6 M
  • Grand total$ 2.55 billion

3. Impact on Steve Ballmer​

  • Ballmer’s net worth (Forbes, April 2025): ≈ $ 118 billion forbes.com
  • Total ten‑year spend ($2.55 B) is ≈ 2.2 % of his fortune
Even if you assume cap and tax thresholds both rise by the maximum 10 % each season (as projected for 2025‑26), Ballmer would still be on track to spend no more than 3 – 4 % of his net worth over a decade to run a “second‑apron‑maxed” roster.
 
what happened to the NBA is in trouble stories

Well, the fortune of the owners isn’t exactly the same thing as the health of the league.

Billionaires recognizing the league as a good investment just means teams are generating profits. That’s been true for a long time. I think that’s a low bar. The NBA isn’t “in trouble” but it isn’t where it should be. The way the NFL was able to debo Christmas was disgraceful. And the NFL can have a dynasty in Kansas City but god forbid OKC and Indiana are the best teams or ratings plummet.
 
With Steve Balmer’s fortune, could he spend past the NBA’s second apron for ten years straight without financial concern?

ChatGPT said:​


Yes—by an almost absurd margin. Here’s why:

  • Second‑apron threshold: For the 2024‑25 season, the NBA’s second apron is set at $188.931 million in team salary pr.nba.com. Any roster payroll above that level triggers the harshest roster and tax restrictions under the current CBA.
  • Steve Ballmer’s net worth: As of April 2025, Forbes estimates Ballmer’s personal fortune at $118 billionforbes.com.
Now, even if Ballmer’s Clippers chose to spend right at that second‑apron level every year—and then paid whatever luxury tax penalties came with it—it would barely register on his balance sheet:

Expense CategoryAnnual Cost (approx.)
Team payroll at second apron$188.931 M
Luxury tax on, say, $20 M over the line(20 M × $3.75) = $75 M
Total “worst‑case” annual outlay≈ $264 M
  • Ten‑year total:
    $264 million × 10 years ≃ $2.64 billion
  • Share of Ballmer’s wealth:
    $2.64 billion ÷ $118 billion ≃ 2.2 %
Even if you jacked payroll up to $200 million, or consistently pushed $30 million–$50 million over the tax line (with steeper tiered penalties), you’re still talking about a few hundred million per season—literally pocket change for someone worth north of $100 billion.

Bottom line: Yes. Steve Ballmer could clear the NBA’s second apron—for ten straight seasons—without denting more than a few percent of his overall net worth.

Exactly... He wasn't exceeding the 2nd Apron for 35 yr old Paul George...

If the right player comes along to pair with Luka... The Lakers might pull the trigger and take the penalties...

The issue for the Lakers, if LeBron don't retire, is to resign LeBron at age 40 after the last year of his contract...
 
If thats the case then why include him in the process at all? should just be like hey KD we love you but we gonna do whats best for the orginization...
The problem could stem from the media, insiders and sport agents. The players (especially If you're considered a AAA talent) In this day and age they put It out there where they want to go and where they don't. As a GM/owner why would you invest In someone that doesn't want to be part of your organization. They would basically be gambling on the effort they put out. We've already seen what players do to force there way off teams. ( Harden, Butler. Ayton, Kawhi ) Dame was one of the few that were compliant about ending up where he really didn't want to be.
 
I mean….this is Stephen A Smith we’re talking about fam. I don’t think he really gives a fuck. Bro think he top dog of the sports media world and ESPN pays him like it lol


One of these days a player is going to roll up on him and beat his ass. Coon Smith thinks he has the license to talk to folks recklessly with no repercussions.....
 
One of these days a player is going to roll up on him and beat his ass. Coon Smith thinks he has the license to talk to folks recklessly with no repercussions.....
I doubt anyone gonna beat S.A.S. ass because they could've done it already and that wouldn't even stop him from talking shit.
 
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