Movie News: Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan - SINNERS - jim crow era vampire flick (SPOILERS OPEN!!!)
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If tom cruise played the vampire
He would’ve ran from the native Americans
Ran to the club
Told the Asian chick he gonna run into town to kill her kid
When he got stabbed he would’ve tried to outrun the sun but would’ve died
Tom cruise as the vampire
Exactly. I can think of any number of popular vampire films released during the last 40 years that take poetic license with the lore when configuring their own internal logic and building their own universes. Not ONCE have I ever heard any film critics take issue with any of them not being faithful to the established "lore." But when a major studio releases a genre hybrid film from a Black filmmaker that goes on to achieve across the board financial success and critical acclaim, all of sudden certain people are getting all precious with vampire lore. Where were these kinds of observations with Fright Night, The Lost Boys, Near Dark, Bram Stoker's Dracula, Interview With a Vampire, and the Twilight films? Why is it that we can just sit back and enjoy those flicks for exactly what they are, but Coogler and company have to follow rules from some rulebook regarding fictional and fantasy creatures? Fuck all that noise.
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OG NYC head on here since 90s.
Grew up in ATR traditions in 70s that dealt with lot of Orisha folklore, so that made me ger into D&D and all other stuff like that. The thing about World of Darkness roleplay lore, is that is very heavy on bibilical and religious history and history of the world as a whole, basically every real life event we've lived has Vampires operating in the shadows.
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The original Vampire in WOD is Caine, cursed by God and his first partner who taught him how to utilize what would become vampire powers is Lilith.
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But the thing is, there aren't any set rules with fictional creatures.
One of the funniest complaints I saw on another forum about Sinners was someone saying "Vampires eyes don't glow! They wouldn't be able to sneak up on their victims!"I was like mofo if I decide vampire eyes glow in the vampire story that I write, then vampire eyes fucking glow lol. Same way the Blade movies eliminated holy water or the "invite them in" thing. Or how vampires turn into bats in some stories, in others they don't.
There are very set rules, remember, vampirism is cursed and opposed by commandments from God.
The rules are what makes a vampire a vampire and a weakness a weakness.
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Question, did you see them able to gain access to the mind of another vampire after drinking the blood, or a human?
See the difference?
I don't know if this is directed at me but I'll respond.
I shared what I found interesting about the "Type: of vampire depicted in this movie, cause that's just my nerd shit. Making it a black or not black thing is low hanging fruit imho because the film only works as a period piece with proper depiction of said period, wardrobe, location, lingo...etc. Why can we point out the accuracy and paying attention in one area and that's cool but pointing out anything else is somehow being anti-black?
I could point out in depth the correlation between the bibilical names of Smoke and Stack which wouldn't be a "black thing" and also point out the correlation of how the twins were depicted in relation to Ibeji lore in the Isese tradition in Nigeria region, that too would not be a "black thing" as that is an African tradition that existed before the concept of the oppressor descriptor "Black".
I also could point out, from being involved in film and production how the editing, which could have been done over multiple days, multiple times, resulted in the final release having the vehicles present and then not present as the action parts happened.
I could also tell you that the very beginning scene with Smoke and Stack by the car happened at different times of the day based on where their shadows fell.
It just discussion of creativity, not blackness at all. Also 'blackness" has never been an intentional thing. but a reaction to conditions.
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@playahaitian
You and Playa reinforced something I was thinking about in the movie.
It's obvious why Sammie's abilities were coveted, but there was a scene when Mary yelled out to Annie.
Intially, I was thinking maybe some humanity remained in Mary (I can't be sure), but then I realized that Annie's abilities dwelled within the spirit world (knowledge, roots, spells, etc.), and that power was coveted also.
More broken brained romancing of oppression.
The term Latin America has nothing to do with spanish speakers in the Americas, it only applies to the French or in this case, the only people who could logically claim the term as a descriptor would be Haitians.
The term was coined by the French to try to generate more resistance against Spains several hundred years dominance in the Americas. The irony is that spanish speakers don't call themselves New Spanians, thats what Spain called their territories in the Americas, for over 300 years, New Spain. The term Latin maerica didn't get used until New Spain had lost almost all its territories.
You'll also notice that romanticized Spanish speakers only call themselves "Latino" when the term is supposed to apply to anyone living in the americas.
Sad mental state for those who buy into the bullshit to not be "Black" and not be "Indigenous".
You reminded me of the movie "Abigail,"and the kidnappers actually collectively got together and discussed everything they had heard about "Vampire lore."
One thing that didn't work was a "Cross" because she took it and started stabbing them with it.
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I'm a side note, seeing that happen live was fucking hilarious. That gif cut out before it really got good.
Sammie’s club in Chicago in 1992 was named Pearline’s…
…fool ate the box one time and fell in love.
…fool ate the box one time and fell in love.
Good!!..The buzz when out on it opening weekend and people was giving it good reviews and like the movie!!..So that had made people to didn't went to see it it's opening weekend to go out and see it!!...
Sammie’s club in Chicago in 1992 was named Pearline’s…
…fool ate the box one time and fell in love.
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Not even a fresh box either and it was 1930 box so that shit probably wolf status down there.. nig still coughing up pubes decades later
…fool ate the box one time and fell in love.
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Not even a fresh box either and it was 1930 box so that shit probably wolf status down there.. nig still coughing up pubes decades later
thats a cold name
Not even a fresh box either and it was 1930 box so that shit probably wolf status down there.. nig still coughing up pubes decades laterSammie’s club in Chicago in 1992 was named Pearline’s…
…fool ate the box one time and fell in love.
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yeah but that 1932 box you ain't have to worry about nothing being wrong with it. that shit was bathed in the creek water.
yeah but that 1932 box you ain't have to worry about nothing being wrong with it. that shit was bathed in the creek water.
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You do know herpes, syphillis, and various others stds existed back than right?
Don't tell me F.D Signifier or Lil bill done found their way over here...lol
yeah but that 1932 box you ain't have to worry about nothing being wrong with it. that shit was bathed in the creek water.
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I had a white dude tell me that he heard black men didn't do that so Coogler must be lying
I've seen all that.
And it don't bother me because well look I don't like calling myself a writer anymore because I don't. But I love it. That was my passion. I've written papers on vampires since I was in high school. But I ain't a writer no more. But I did do it and edited and dealt with teachers professors agents playwright actors etc. I say all that to say I've seen or read every iteration of a bunch of things. We all have.
For better or worse.
Who gives a sh*t if it's a remix or not? Vampires aren't some untouchable idea that cannot be tampered with.
Is it GOOD? Does it maintain the basic tenets? The 'soul' of the thing?
From what I saw Coogler did it and exceeded it.
I'm coming into the middle of a discussion to be fair -
so what EXACTLY seems to be the issue with Coogler interpretation of the vampire in Sinners?
I had a white dude tell me that he heard black men didn't do that so Coogler must be lying
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Stop dealing with that vampire
You been warmed.
I had a feeling that was a stretch, like he's a stretchy stretch stretch, but it did have me curious for a hot second
It's not that I didn't like it, but there was about 30 minutes of shit that made no sense or had no purpose as it relates to the movie that was in the movie.
Some shit, like when the brother ask for the sunscreen...I KNEW he was gonna throw that shit. I KNEW IT. That shit was hilarious and accurate if you've ever been around brothers where one is annoying and another one is sick and tired of the annoying brothers shit
But the shit with the bitch trying to find the perfect chair? That shit with the dating app hacking? That scene with the two planes in the air flying around for like 20 seconds...pointless. If I were editing, I would have took out all that nonsense and just added the shit that made the movie the movie.
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