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Don’t bring me into this shit Constanza got beef with Oscar Robertson…

The Big Overrated

There is a strong case that Oscar Robertson is one of the most overrated players in history when considering his impact relative to his reputation. Here’s why:

1. Statistical Inflation in the 1960s

  • The NBA of the early 1960s was a vastly different environment, with an extremely fast pace leading to inflated statistics. Teams regularly took over 100 shots per game, compared to modern teams that average around 85.
  • Robertson's famous triple-double season (30.8 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 11.4 APG) came in a league where multiple players posted absurd numbers that would be unrealistic today (e.g., Wilt Chamberlain averaging 50.4 PPG).
  • His assist numbers were also inflated by a looser definition of what constituted an assist at the time.

2. Lack of Playoff Success as the Main Guy

  • Despite his gaudy stats, Robertson’s Cincinnati Royals teams failed to make any serious noise in the postseason.
  • In his 10 seasons with the Royals, he never led them past the conference finals.
  • The Royals had multiple Hall of Fame players (Jerry Lucas, Jack Twyman), yet they remained a mediocre team. A truly transcendent superstar should be able to elevate his team to championship contention.

3. Winning Only After Joining Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

  • Robertson’s lone championship came in 1971 when he joined a Milwaukee Bucks team led by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the league’s most dominant force at the time.
  • By then, Robertson’s role had diminished significantly—he was no longer the primary driver of the team’s success.
  • This suggests he was more of a complementary piece to a championship team rather than a true franchise-carrying superstar.

4. Athleticism and Skill Set Limitations

  • Unlike players such as Michael Jordan, LeBron James, or Kobe Bryant, Robertson was not an elite athlete by modern standards. His game relied heavily on size and strength rather than speed or explosiveness.
  • He played in an era with less defensive sophistication, where players rarely faced the kind of elite perimeter defenders seen in later decades.
  • His mid-range-heavy game, while effective in his era, did not age as well in a modern analytical context.

5. Overemphasis on Triple-Doubles

  • Adjusted for pace by 21st century standards, nearly a third of Robertson's triple-doubles would not have happened.
  • Robertson’s legacy is largely built on being the first player to average a triple-double, but this has been somewhat devalued by Russell Westbrook, who has averaged a triple-double multiple times in an era with much greater athleticism and defensive complexity.
  • The fact that Westbrook has been criticized for "stat-padding" raises questions about how much real impact Robertson’s numbers had in his era.

Conclusion​

Robertson's statistical accomplishments were inflated by era, his playoff record as the main guy was underwhelming, and he only won a title as a secondary option to Kareem. When adjusted for era, Robertson’s impact does not stand out as much as his raw numbers suggest, making him one of the most overrated players in basketball history.
 
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Hey hey Kendrick!

Why you coming at ME??
I aint said sh*t?!?!

I DEFEND STEPH!!!
Just saying ridiculous stuff like podcasters lol

I wouldn't respond to you if I thought you were anything remotely close to that
 
I said it at the time KD don’t get enough respect for that Warriors run he was dominant.
He got finals MVP lol
Twice
While Steph averaged damn near a triple double with the opposing coach literally saying we are going to double team him

Kd got ALL the respect
It was Draymond called him in the parking lot remember?
We not gonna sit here and act like a vast majority of people weren't saying Steph needed to prove he could win without kd lololololo

That's what we not gonna do.

It's just that HE DID and KD HASN'T that we on this woe is me shit
Better believe if kd had won with his attempts and Steph hadn't , we having this talk?

Plus!!!!
Y'all the ones that didn't respect him
Foh
You especially was one of the main ones calling him a bitch and a hoe for joining the warriors

Y'all worse than Texas instruments
Up in here erasing history in real time like I wasn't here for it lmao
 
Bro... I would take on all of Toronto 1 v 200000 off your green light

You already.

Sidebar...

If they REALLY trade KD this off season?

I think his legacy is even more seriously tarnished

He's certified
It's only being brought up because they got shit else to hang his hat on
Like why in the world is anyone saying he needed more respect on the warriors
After everyone cried like hoes for 3 years because he was on the warriors??
 
He got finals MVP lol
Twice
While Steph averaged damn near a triple double with the opposing coach literally saying we are going to double team him

Kd got ALL the respect
It was Draymond called him in the parking lot remember?
We not gonna sit here and act like a vast majority of people weren't saying Steph needed to prove he could win without kd lololololo

That's what we not gonna do.

It's just that HE DID and KD HASN'T that we on this woe is me shit
Better believe if kd had won with his attempts and Steph hadn't , we having this talk?

Plus!!!!
Y'all the ones that didn't respect him
Foh
You especially was one of the main ones calling him a bitch and a hoe for joining the warriors

Y'all worse than Texas instruments
Up in here erasing history in real time like I wasn't here for it lmao
Naw that’s not what I mean. They hated on KD when he went to the Warriors. Because he did join a 70 win team so I get it but he came in and dominated. Then people try to bring up his time with the Nets….shitty ran team and a shitty compiled players that made for great ISO work but not great team. KD is one of the best players in his era but for that he gets disrespected. They said he needed rings….he gets those rings and it ain’t the way they wanted him to get his rings…constantly pushing the goal post.

As far as Steph go I don’t really know this whole Steph v KD shit. My issue is isolated to KD. Has nothing to do with Steph.
 
The Big Overrated

There is a strong case that Oscar Robertson is one of the most overrated players in history when considering his impact relative to his reputation. Here’s why:

1. Statistical Inflation in the 1960s

  • The NBA of the early 1960s was a vastly different environment, with an extremely fast pace leading to inflated statistics. Teams regularly took over 100 shots per game, compared to modern teams that average around 85.
  • Robertson's famous triple-double season (30.8 PPG, 12.5 RPG, 11.4 APG) came in a league where multiple players posted absurd numbers that would be unrealistic today (e.g., Wilt Chamberlain averaging 50.4 PPG).
  • His assist numbers were also inflated by a looser definition of what constituted an assist at the time.

2. Lack of Playoff Success as the Main Guy

  • Despite his gaudy stats, Robertson’s Cincinnati Royals teams failed to make any serious noise in the postseason.
  • In his 10 seasons with the Royals, he never led them past the conference finals.
  • The Royals had multiple Hall of Fame players (Jerry Lucas, Jack Twyman), yet they remained a mediocre team. A truly transcendent superstar should be able to elevate his team to championship contention.

3. Winning Only After Joining Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

  • Robertson’s lone championship came in 1971 when he joined a Milwaukee Bucks team led by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, the league’s most dominant force at the time.
  • By then, Robertson’s role had diminished significantly—he was no longer the primary driver of the team’s success.
  • This suggests he was more of a complementary piece to a championship team rather than a true franchise-carrying superstar.

4. Athleticism and Skill Set Limitations

  • Unlike players such as Michael Jordan, LeBron James, or Kobe Bryant, Robertson was not an elite athlete by modern standards. His game relied heavily on size and strength rather than speed or explosiveness.
  • He played in an era with less defensive sophistication, where players rarely faced the kind of elite perimeter defenders seen in later decades.
  • His mid-range-heavy game, while effective in his era, did not age as well in a modern analytical context.

5. Overemphasis on Triple-Doubles

  • Adjusted for pace by 21st century standards, nearly a third of Robertson's triple-doubles would not have happened.
  • Robertson’s legacy is largely built on being the first player to average a triple-double, but this has been somewhat devalued by Russell Westbrook, who has averaged a triple-double multiple times in an era with much greater athleticism and defensive complexity.
  • The fact that Westbrook has been criticized for "stat-padding" raises questions about how much real impact Robertson’s numbers had in his era.

Conclusion​

Robertson's statistical accomplishments were inflated by era, his playoff record as the main guy was underwhelming, and he only won a title as a secondary option to Kareem. When adjusted for era, Robertson’s impact does not stand out as much as his raw numbers suggest, making him one of the most overrated players in basketball history.
Now do Draymon….. :lol: keep the same energy because we know damn well you nor anyone hear saw Big O play but Amajorfucup.
 
I think his legacy is even more seriously tarnished
I think it has happened already since he moved to 2 teams already. SO, if he gets traded again then the damage was already done.

Draymond even said it took steph a while to be in the discussion being a top 10 player and that KD shouldn't be there because he couldn't get the job done when he left the warriors.
 
Steph's legacy pretty much mirrors Kobe's. His fans are gonna pretend the last 8 years of his career doesnt exist and only focus on the 2010's despite him playing until like 2030. If I were a Bron fan and I only had his Miami days to live thru while everything after that was irrelevant, that would suck. Consistent domination is more important than championships nobody remembers guys.
 
I think it has happened already since he moved to 2 teams already. SO, if he gets traded again then the damage was already done.

Draymond even said it took steph a while to be in the discussion being a top 10 player and that KD shouldn't be there because he couldn't get the job done when he left the warriors.

:eek2:
 
If they REALLY trade KD this off season?

I think his legacy is even more seriously tarnished
I don't believe his legacy would be tarnished if they traded him. They didn't win in Phoenix so Phoenix wants to go in a different direction.

It's a money move and the team wants to get younger players And move on from something that isn't working. KD does his job, it's just all of them together isn't working.

Now if KD requested a trade, the. It would be tarnished a bit.
 
He got finals MVP lol
Twice
While Steph averaged damn near a triple double with the opposing coach literally saying we are going to double team him

Kd got ALL the respect
It was Draymond called him in the parking lot remember?
We not gonna sit here and act like a vast majority of people weren't saying Steph needed to prove he could win without kd lololololo

That's what we not gonna do.

It's just that HE DID and KD HASN'T that we on this woe is me shit
Better believe if kd had won with his attempts and Steph hadn't , we having this talk?

Plus!!!!
Y'all the ones that didn't respect him
Foh
You especially was one of the main ones calling him a bitch and a hoe for joining the warriors

Y'all worse than Texas instruments
Up in here erasing history in real time like I wasn't here for it lmao

I just choked on my kale smoothie.
 
I don't believe his legacy would be tarnished if they traded him. They didn't win in Phoenix so Phoenix wants to go in a different direction.

It's a money move and the team wants to get younger players And move on from something that isn't working. KD does his job, it's just all of them together isn't working.

Now if KD requested a trade, the. It would be tarnished a bit.

Steph and KD unfortunately dont have arguments as top 10 players. Clout chasing LeBron's legacy isnt gonna get them thru that door. The problem is, when its time to compare either one of those scary niggas to someone NOT named LeBron, their dickeaters and fans fold like a house of cards. Show me a video of someone OFFLINE arguing Steph or KD is a top 10 all time player over guys like Tim Duncan, Shaq, Wilt, etc? It doesnt exist. Their legacies only extend to the internet, nothing beyond.
 
Going from people wanting to troll Bron fans to completely shutting the fuck up and not being able to say anything is more valuable than a championship nobody remembers or cares about.

KD couldve won 6 straight championships and he still wouldnt headline over Bron. One day you lazy underachieving niggas on BGOL are gonna learn to appreciate BODY OF WORK over showing up in 1 series. :lol:
 
I don't believe his legacy would be tarnished if they traded him. They didn't win in Phoenix so Phoenix wants to go in a different direction.

It's a money move and the team wants to get younger players And move on from something that isn't working. KD does his job, it's just all of them together isn't working.

Now if KD requested a trade, the. It would be tarnished a bit.

it seems the narrative is being built that it's all KD fault.

And especially using the Brooklyn Phoenix moves as evidence he isn't Steph.

They are saying KD doesn't IMPROVE other players lesser or otherwise like Steph LeBron Joker etc do on the regular.

That THOSE players would have been EXPECTED to win with Devin and Beale on their roster. No excuses.

And KD NOT being able to do that...well.

And KD not wanting to be traded to the Warriors is an indictment on him also and his top 10 of all time ranking possibilities.

He will always be considered great but there will always be something lacking.

It's strange. Those warriors rings seem to be a gift and curse.

There was a time he was considering a savior to the Bay but now all those accolades have been rescinded and instead if KD doesn't win WITHOUT Steph?

it's like his Golden State wins don't matter. ENOUGH.
 
it seems the narrative is being built that it's all KD fault.

And especially using the Brooklyn Phoenix moves as evidence he isn't Steph.

They are saying KD doesn't IMPROVE other players lesser or otherwise like Steph LeBron Joker etc do on the regular.

That THOSE players would have been EXPECTED to win with Devin and Beale on their roster. No excuses.

And KD NOT being able to do that...well.

And KD not wanting to be traded to the Warriors is an indictment on him also and his top 10 of all time ranking possibilities.

He will always be considered great but there will always be something lacking.

It's strange. Those warriors rings seem to be a gift and curse.

There was a time he was considering a savior to the Bay but now all those accolades have been rescinded and instead if KD doesn't win WITHOUT Steph?

it's like his Golden State wins don't matter. ENOUGH.
2024-25 Stats

KD 27.3 ppg 6.0 rpg 4.2 apg FG% 53.2

Steph 23. ppg 4.5 rpg 6.1 Apg FG% 43.4

KD's a scorer, who gets rebounds and assists. He does his job. Building a championship team is about the team and not one player. KD's a great player but it takes more than just being great to win a championship.

I know that you know all of this but I'm saying. If I knew the pieces needed to win a championship I'd be an NBA GM. They get paid millions of dollars for billion dollar organizations and they can't do it.

KD's a special player, but I guess Lebron and Steph are more special :lol:

LeBron's expected to when everywhere and he'd definitely be expected to win in Phoenix, as well as Steph. In the past Phoenix had to deal with lots of injuries plus bum ass Beal :lol:

And you're right, the Warriors rings were a gift and a curse. And they didn't matter enough which is why he had to leave.
 
2024-25 Stats

KD 27.3 ppg 6.0 rpg 4.2 apg FG% 53.2

Steph 23. ppg 4.5 rpg 6.1 Apg FG% 43.4

KD's a scorer, who gets rebounds and assists. He does his job. Building a championship team is about the team and not one player. KD's a great player but it takes more than just being great to win a championship.

I know that you know all of this but I'm saying. If I knew the pieces needed to win a championship I'd be an NBA GM. They get paid millions of dollars for billion dollar organizations and they can't do it.

KD's a special player, but I guess Lebron and Steph are more special :lol:

LeBron's expected to when everywhere and he'd definitely be expected to win in Phoenix, as well as Steph. In the past Phoenix had to deal with lots of injuries plus bum ass Beal :lol:

And you're right, the Warriors rings were a gift and a curse. And they didn't matter enough which is why he had to leave.

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Whelp

I see WE CHOSE NBA VIOLENCE this morning on the wake up show.
 
I appreciate it I honestly never heard him say that.

Draymond is CORRECT that many feel this way.

I just don't know how KD fans argue AGAINST it.
It wasn't that long ago, but we seem to forget things because of the years going by fast.

But those videos on the internet will never go away.

KD has yet to counter that.
 
Whelp

I see WE CHOSE NBA VIOLENCE this morning on the wake up show.
I talk shit about Lebron and his specialized diva ways at times, but Lebron wins. Everywhere he goes he wins.

Everywhere he goes he's expected to win and isn't content with just playing. I'm not saying that KD is, but LeBron's active in making shit happen.
 
I talk shit about Lebron and his specialized diva ways at times, but Lebron wins. Everywhere he goes he wins.

Everywhere he goes he's expected to win and isn't content with just playing. I'm not saying that KD is, but LeBron's active in making shit happen.

I completely 100% agree

No other athlete came into the league with MORE PRESSURE EXPECTATIONS AND HATE than LeBron James.

Out of high school.

Compared to Michael Jordan.

And damn near almost came close to surpassed him.

No one else has done it.
 
I talk shit about Lebron and his specialized diva ways at times, but Lebron wins. Everywhere he goes he wins.

Everywhere he goes he's expected to win and isn't content with just playing. I'm not saying that KD is, but LeBron's active in making shit happen.

And if you put aside his dad?

It is completely nonsensical that Steph Curry has become the greatest shooter of all times coming out of muthafukin DAVIDSON!!???

Being drafted to golden state, Kerr, that ownership group, he redefined HOW basketball is played, his work ethics, being the face of the league on and off the court.

His story in it's own way is just as insane as Lebron's.
 
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