Biden doesn't want to fight for 50,000 student loan relief. It's too hard

Keep ya head up br
If you needed any more proof that the American dream was never intended for us, here it is.

But there's always another way.

I may look at Germany or Canada for law school depending on how things shake out.

I'm a splitter. My GPA won't finish out great but I track to score high on the LSAT. AA might have helped me get into a more well known program. It's all good though, I'll make it happen.

Guys like me might have to do a year at a smaller school and transfer in to a higher program to finish with that name.

Where there's a will there's a way.

Fuck em. They can keep they little 20k.

Yeah that shit hurts but I'm just gonna get it behind me and get debt free.

Don't wanna spend my retirement here that's for sure.
Keep ya head up brother and I'm going to be looking at spending my retirement outside this country (seriously thinking about Brazil or Thailand ) We're definitely headed the toilet.
 

GOP senators praise student loan decision​

Diana Paulsen
Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., called Biden's plan "a massive giveway to the wealthy" while Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R- Tenn., called it "a socialist plan to redistribute wealth".

Sen. Cindy Hyde Smith, R-Miss., tweeted that she was "relieved" that the court had overturned the "attempt to force hardworking Americans... to foot the debts of others"



..you GOTSTA be joking me :fuckyousay:
 

Justice Kagan says the Supreme Court majority is acting as an arbiter of politics — not cases
From CNN's Tierney Sneed

In her dissenting opinion, Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan, joined by Justices Sonia Sotomayor and Ketanji Brown Jackson, raged against the court’s ruling blocking President Joe Biden's student loan forgiveness program.

Kagan condemned what she characterized as a broader trend from the conservative majority, in which they limit executive branch discretion under a legal doctrine known as the “major questions doctrine.”

“The Court acts as though it is an arbiter of political and policy disputes, rather than of cases and controversies,” Kagan wrote.
She accused the court of “once again” substituting “itself for Congress and the Executive Branch — and the hundreds of millions of people they represent — in making this Nation’s most important, as well as most contested, policy decisions.”

She called the legal theory — which says Congress must speak specifically when giving executive branch agencies the authority to take aggressive actions of major economic of political consequence — “judicially manufactured” and “made-up” doctrine.

Her dissent raised the possibility the doctrine is on track to be wielded against landmark government programs like Medicare.

“Today’s decision thus moves the goalposts for triggering the major-questions doctrine,” she wrote. “Who knows — by next year, the Secretary of Health and Human Services may be found unable to implement the Medicare program under a broad delegation because of his actions’ (enormous) ‘economic impact.’”
 

Schumer slams conservative justices over student loan decision​

From CNN's Nicky Robertson


Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) speaks to the media following the weekly policy luncheons at the U.S. Capitol on June 21, 2023 in Washington, DC.
Senate Majority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) speaks to the media following the weekly policy luncheons at the U.S. Capitol on June 21, 2023 in Washington, DC. Kevin Dietsch/Getty Images/File
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said Friday's Supreme Court decision on student loan forgiveness shows “callousness of the MAGA Republican-controlled Supreme Court,” and alludes to recent reports of Supreme Court justices receiving gifts from GOP donors.
“This disappointing and cruel ruling shows the callousness of the MAGA Republican-controlled Supreme Court. The hypocrisy is clear: as justices accept lavish, six-figure gifts, they don’t dare to help Americans saddled with student loan debt, instead siding with the powerful, big-monied interests," he said.
“The fight will not end here. The Biden administration has remaining legal routes to provide broad-based student debt cancellation. With the pause on student loan payments set to expire in weeks, I call upon the administration to do everything in its power to deliver for millions of working- and middle-class Americans struggling with student loan debt,” Schumer added.
 
Here's how each Supreme Court justice ruled in the student loans opinion
From CNN staff

In a stinging defeat for President Joe Biden, the Supreme Court blocked the administration’s student loan forgiveness plan Friday, rejecting a program aimed at delivering up to $20,000 of relief to millions of borrowers struggling with outstanding debt.

The decision was 6-3 with Chief Justice John Roberts writing for the conservative majority.

Here's how each justice ruled:
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If you needed any more proof that the American dream was never intended for us, here it is.

But there's always another way.

I may look at Germany or Canada for law school depending on how things shake out.

I'm a splitter. My GPA won't finish out great but I track to score high on the LSAT. AA might have helped me get into a more well known program. It's all good though, I'll make it happen.

Guys like me might have to do a year at a smaller school and transfer in to a higher program to finish with that name.

Where there's a will there's a way.
Hey bro I’m lookin at law school myself. Always been my dream. How are u preparing? What schools u lookin at?


I missed this and meant to respond. I'll find more information and ask wifey, but you might be able to get the FEDS to pay for law school....

If you can get in with the Federal Gov, I believe they will pay for law school. Some programs offer part time options...

Georgetown Law Is Giving Away a Free Education, and You're Paying for It​

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Aug. 7, 2013​


Lawyers are trained to exploit the letter of the law on behalf of their clients. How we feel about that usually depends on whose side of the case the lawyers are on. Now, one of the nation’s leading law schools is exploiting a huge loophole in federal financial aid law, and taxpayers are clearly on the losing side. If other schools catch on, the result could be an undeserved bonanza for wealthy lawyers and expensive law schools even as other federal aid programs, like Pell Grants, face looming budget cliffs.


The story begins seven years ago when the federal government created two separate programs that, when combined, created the loophole: Grad PLUS loans and Income-Based Repayment for student loans. Under the Grad PLUS program, graduate and professional students can borrow to pay for the entire cost of their education, including living expenses, at just about any school and at whatever price the school sets. Income-Based Repayment, in its most recent iteration, caps recent and future students’ payments on those loans between zero and 10 percent of annual income and forgives any remaining debt after 10 years for those working in virtually any government or non-profit job, or after 20 years for all others.


While both programs have their flaws, on their own they work largely as lawmakers intended. But when schools and students strategically combine them, like ammonium nitrate fertilizer and gasoline, the result is financially explosive. So powerful, in fact, Georgetown Law can promise that students enrolled in its Loan Repayment Assistance Program (LRAP) “might not pay a single penny on their loans -- ever!


Here’s how it works:


Under Georgetown’s LRAP, students take out Grad PLUS loans to cover the full cost of attending law school (around $75,000 per year, which includes living expenses). After they graduate, they enroll in Income-Based Repayment. If they work in government or non-profit jobs, Georgetown pays 100 percent of their loan payments for 10 years, after which IBR’s loan forgiveness wipes away the remaining balance. The students pay nothing for their education.


On the surface, it seems like Georgetown Law is taking a loss on students who go into public service. But the truth is far more sinister. Georgetown loses little if any money from this scheme because the school simply includes the cost of the loan repayment program in its tuition. And since the federal government issues loans for whatever amount Georgetown charges, students just take out more loans to cover that cost.


See the problem? Neither Georgetown nor its students are financing the program. You are, as a taxpayer by providing them with access to unlimited loans and unlimited loan forgiveness.


But don’t take our word for it. Assistant Dean for Financial Aid Charles Pruett recently told students in a taped seminar that, “It's not really Georgetown [who finances the program], it's you guys, because LRAP is primarily funded through tuition." And remember: those students take out federal loans to pay that tuition, and will ultimately have those loans forgiven.


Pruett explains in a journal article that combining Grad PLUS and IBR “makes it possible for law schools to create or restructure LRAP programs in a way that provides significant debt relief to graduates in public service at the lowest possible cost to the law school… The central idea behind coordinating LRAP and federal benefits [is to have] federal programs do most of the heavy lifting.” (emphasis added)


That’s nice lawyer-ese. After Georgetown bears the “lowest possible cost” the “heavy lifting” left for taxpayers is a whopping $158,888 per student. That is, by our estimate, the average amount of debt a Georgetown LRAP participant stands to walk away from under IBR. Compare that to what the federal government provides as a maximum Pell Grant benefit of $34,000 over six years for low-income undergraduate students.


Pruett and his colleague Phil Schrag have encouraged other law schools to launch programs like Georgetown’s, and several have (e.g. Berkeley and Duke). In fact, there is nothing to stop all graduate schools from adopting these schemes and expanding them to graduates beyond those in so-called public service jobs once they understand that the apparent cost of covering a student’s loan payments is really no cost at all; nothing prevents a school from simply hiking tuition by the same amount. But those tuition hikes never translate into higher loan payments for student or school—only bigger loan forgiveness after 10 or 20 years under IBR.


This cannot be what most lawmakers had in mind when they created IBR, loan forgiveness for public service, or Grad PLUS loans. Fortunately, they need only make a few tweaks to head off the abuse.


First, impose a $30,000 cap on the amount of debt non-profit or government workers can have forgiven under IBR. That is slightly below the maximum the government would provide an undergraduate from a low-income family under the Pell Grant program. Graduate students shouldn’t qualify for more de facto grant aid than low-income undergraduate students. The cap allows for significant loan forgiveness but does not give schools a blank check to raise tuition. It also ensures that students have skin in the game when they decide how much to pay and borrow for school. Borrowers who still struggle to repay after having $30,000 forgiven can continue to repay under IBR and have debt forgiven after 20 years.


Lawmakers should not limit the amount forgiven at the 20-year mark. That provision is a safety net for borrowers who legitimately struggle to repay their loans for an extended period. Therefore, the only way to fully check the financing schemes is to limit the amount graduate and professional students can borrow. An annual $25,000 limit and an aggregate $75,000 limit for all federal loans would solve the problem. Those limits could be higher, but lawmakers should then require graduate students to repay for 25 years before they could receive loan forgiveness.


Pruett, the assistant dean at Georgetown Law all but admits lawmakers would be justified in reining in the programs. In response to a student who wonders when Congress might shut the schemes down, he says the year 2017. Why? “My concern is… that’s when the first large wave of forgiveness may happen, and that’s when, if someone wakes up to what they’ve done, that’s probably when it’s going to be.” In the meantime, Georgetown Law graduates can look forward to U.S. taxpayers footing the bill for most of their education.
 

Good resource for strategies on paying student loans also besides Reddiit


Today, the Supreme Court ruled in a 6-3 decision invalidating Biden's student loan forgiveness program. The lawsuit, State of Nebraska v Biden, was filed by six state Attorneys General in September 2022. The key issue was whether the states had Article III standing to bring a claim against the federal government. The Supreme Court agreed that the State of Missouri has standing via MOHELA (ruling that it is an instrumentality of Missouri) and didn't address the other standing arguments.

Once they reached the standing conclusion, the Chief Justice took a hachet to the Biden Administration's forgiveness plan, writing that "The Secretary’s plan has “modified” the cited provisions only in the same sense that “the French Revolution ‘modified’ the status of the French nobility”.

President Biden has yet to say whether he'll pursue forgiveness via another method but that seems unlikely to me as it will trigger a whole new set of lawsuits. I think the administration will likely focus their energy on the new Biden repayment program (SAVE) and move forward with targeted forgiveness where they can (e.g. fraudulent for-profit colleges). Details are thin on this new repayment plan and not worth the speculation until it's officially announced. I expect the Biden administration to finalize it in the coming weeks.

As many of you noticed, the government signed a debt ceiling agreement recently that officially codifies an end to the student loan freeze. The White House confirmed that student loan interest will resume starting September 1, 2023 and payments will begin in October.

Now that I'm convinced that student loan payments will indeed resume, I'll begin looking into strategies for ensuring that you're optimizing your student loans. For many people reading this email, it'll be the first time in their career that they've had to make a student loan payment.

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Exactly. There are so many different issues to apply here, but the one that I better not hear any of them complain about is anything having to do with the economy not moving because there are no buyers for goods or services. Buy with WHAT money?

They just seem to help the little pocket of rich get richer, and then these folks yell from their perch for everyone below to "work hard for us, pay them bills and keep buying shit.." so the economy stay running. And if it grinds to a halt, somehow it'll still be our fault because we "failed as consumers" :smh:
 
Exactly. There are so many different issues to apply here, but the one that I better not hear any of them complain about is anything having to do with the economy not moving because there are no buyers for goods or services. Buy with WHAT money?

They just seem to help the little pocket of rich get richer, and then these folks yell from their perch for everyone below to "work hard for us, pay them bills and keep buying shit.." so the economy stay running. And if it grinds to a halt, somehow it'll still be our fault because we "failed as consumers" :smh:

Yup.

I am confidant in Biden, but more so Sec. Cardona who I believe is doing a good job as Sec. of Education that they have an intelligent strategy that they can implement to move forward.

Fuck these conservative ass republicans.
 
As expected, I'm more interested in the plan Biden has moving forward since I'm sure they knew this would be the outcome.

If you needed any more proof that the American dream was never intended for us, here it is.

But there's always another way.

I may look at Germany or Canada for law school depending on how things shake out.

I'm a splitter. My GPA won't finish out great but I track to score high on the LSAT. AA might have helped me get into a more well known program. It's all good though, I'll make it happen.

Guys like me might have to do a year at a smaller school and transfer in to a higher program to finish with that name.

Where there's a will there's a way.

You got this brother.

They've never made it easy for us so your inevitable success will be that much more impressive.

Just a reminder that a one term, twice impeached, multi indicted President put three of those motherfuckers there, and we still have the nerve to have folks be on that Non Voting shit or Never Hillary bullshit.

You mean the same person who's currently leading (by a significant margin) the other potential Republican Presidential nominees?
 
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Yup.

I am confidant in Biden, but more so Sec. Cardona who I believe is doing a good job as Sec. of Education that they have an intelligent strategy that they can implement to move forward.

Fuck these conservative ass republicans.

I think a good strategy that would be difficult to prevent would be to lower the discretionary income percentage to 2-2.5% which would lower the required monthly payments even further.

That and the fact that interest wouldn't accrue while your making payments is still huge.

I also wonder if they can reduce the forgiveness period from 25 to 15 or even 20 years :dunno:
 
As expected, I'm more interested in the plan Biden has moving forward since I'm sure they knew this would be the outcome.



You got this brother.

They've never made it easy for us so your inevitable success will be that much more impressive.



You mean the same person who's currently leading (by a significant margin) the other potential Presidential nominees?

exactly. I want to see what he says later today
After the SC overturned Roe I knew this had very little chance
 
As expected, I'm more interested in the plan Biden has moving forward since I'm sure they knew this would be the outcome.
Yup. This is gonna be interesting.

I know, based on my own situation, that I'm not doing as bad as some folks but def not where I want to be yet either. During this time (pandemic, payment pause) I've been saving, investing that money, becoming more financially literate and reassessing how I want to live the second part of my professional life. One thing that I'm sure I want to adopt overall is Essentialism and living as below my means as possible.

All this is to say that I'm SURE many folks in my (our) position are either going to clamp down financially and as consumers out of necessity, or because they would rather buy their time back and not support the folks that perpetuate the rat-race.

..and like I said before there is a younger generation or two that won't be forgetting all of this and will be voting at the ballot and with their wallets going forward.
 
Yup. This is gonna be interesting.

I know, based on my own situation, that I'm not doing as bad as some folks but def not where I want to be yet either. During this time (pandemic, payment pause) I've been saving, investing that money, becoming more financially literate and reassessing how I want to live the second part of my professional life. One thing that I'm sure I want to adopt overall is Essentialism and living as below my means as possible.

All this is to say that I'm SURE many folks in my (our) position are either going to clamp down financially and as consumers out of necessity, or because they would rather buy their time back and not support the folks that perpetuate the rat-race.

..and like I said before there is a younger generation or two that won't be forgetting all of this and will be voting at the ballot and with their wallets going forward.

I hear you.

I'm in a precarious position since the pandemic I've taken a new position which pays more and purchased a home.

But it's a catch 22 because I now make more and they'll therefore require I pay more monthly for my student loans so it eats away at any gains I've made.

And obviously now with a mortgage and needed updates/repairs to my home it can be even worse.

For me I'm not trying to get up and go to work everyday only to hand over most of my earnings to a student loan servicer while I'm living like I'm on welfare :smh:
 
I hear you.

I'm in a precarious position since the pandemic I've taken a new position which pays more and purchased a home.

But it's a catch 22 because I now make more and they'll therefore require I pay more monthly for my student loans so it eats away at any gains I've made.

And obviously now with a mortgage and needed updates/repairs to my home it can be even worse.

For me I'm not trying to get up and go to work everyday only to hand over most of my earnings to a student loan servicer while I'm living like I'm on welfare :smh:
I know what you mean and there are a lot of folks in that same situation now. And some of these idiots in charge and all over Twitter had the nerve to say this about what that lifeline would have meant:

"a massive giveway to the wealthy"
"a socialist plan to redistribute wealth"
"attempt to force hardworking Americans... to foot the debts of others"

..shit's nuts. Like you said: Hopefully they still find a way to change up the program enough for your dollars to make sense (and cents). Have faith Sir.
 
Hey bro I’m lookin at law school myself. Always been my dream. How are u preparing? What schools u lookin at?

Bro I've had a long road. My dream as well...

I have 8 classes left on my bachelor's degree, Political Science, GSU (Georgia State University)

GPA is low for law school. They don't care to hear your story about whatever you've persevered through. But I always do well on standardized tests. Betting on myself to get in.

I'm going to apply to midwest schools like Wisconsin cause they would like to increase their diversity (at least before the ruling).

Gonna try Georgia State University Law and as a last resort, John Marshall here in Atlanta. If I go that low I'll do a year and transfer to a higher school to complete the degree.

I will find a way or make one. Learned that from Clark Atlanta even though I attended MC.
 
A few questions to consider..:

1. Stimulus and the housing market boom were the major reasons keeping the economy afloat over the pandemic, right?
2. With interest/mortgage rates now high and money not being lended/borrowed as easily, PLUS now a huge portion of folks further tightening their wallets with student loan repay starting again.. could this all finally lead to the recession that talking heads have been yammering about for months now?
 
I think a good strategy that would be difficult to prevent would be to lower the discretionary income percentage to 2-2.5% which would lower the required monthly payments even further.

That and the fact that interest wouldn't accrue while your making payments is still huge.

I also wonder if they can reduce the forgiveness period from 25 to 15 or even 20 years :dunno:
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