Most Americans want Trump pardoned if he’s charged. WTF

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1/2 of them want to pardon him because they are just like him or want to be like him, the other 1/2 want to pardon him because they are afraid of that first half setting off Civil War 2.0.
 
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Nick Robertson
Sat, June 17, 2023 at 2:31 PM EDT·1 min read


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    Donald Trump
    President of the United States from 2017 to 2021


A slim majority of Americans surveyed in a poll released Friday would support pardoning former President Trump if he is convicted and sentenced to jail over allegations that he mishandled classified documents.
The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found 53 percent of total respondents — 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats — would support a pardon in the interest of national unity, showing a large partisan divide in opinion.
Among political independents, 52 percent said Trump should not be pardoned.
 
Anyone believing polls in this age of manipulation is a damn fool.
 
That shiester should get and deserves prison time for several crimes. Let's not forget about the illegal charity he ran for damn near 20 years. Let one of us get caught running an illegal charity and our Black ass would be in prison right now if not out on bond awaiting trial.
 
That shiester should get and deserves prison time for several crimes. Let's not forget about the illegal charity he ran for damn near 20 years. Let one of us get caught running an illegal charity and our Black ass would be in prison right now if not out on bond awaiting trial.
They just gave some Navy Officer like 7 years for taking documents that weren’t even close to the classification of the ones Trump took and nowhere near as many. Trump had boxes of shit. This officer had a folder or some shit. Trump technical should get death or life in prison at the least for what he’s done. Any of us would
 
This is why:

"The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found 53 percent of total respondents — 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats — would support a pardon in the interest of national unity, showing a large partisan divide in opinion."

Polling mostly Republican voters is not most Americans. That's like saying small towns are the majority of American population and lifestyle. Interestingly, even when polling mostly Republican voters, there was only a slim majority who feel he should be pardoned IF sentenced.
 
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This is why:

"The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found 53 percent of total respondents — 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats — would support a pardon in the interest of national unity, showing a large partisan divide in opinion."

Polling mostly Republican voters is not most Americans. That's like saying small towns are the majority of American population and lifestyle. Interestingly, even when polling mostly Republican voters, there was only a slim majority who feel he should be pardoned IF sentenced.
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They just gave some Navy Officer like 7 years for taking documents that weren’t even close to the classification of the ones Trump took and nowhere near as many. Trump had boxes of shit. This officer had a folder or some shit. Trump technical should get death or life in prison at the least for what he’s done. Any of us would

It's crazy how folks can't comprehend what would've happen to them if they got caught with doing a fraction of that shit. Their lives would be turned upside down if they took some shit of that magnitude from work home. Imagine company financial records and employees ssn's. And acted like they had the right to take it and lied about what they had, and there's video evidence of them loading that shit on a plane. They wouldn't have been given over a year to give it back. They'd be under the jail. But these cacs think that laws never applies to them.
 
If one factors in people being afraid of civil unrest then it does make sense that a slim majority want him pardoned even if that slim majority is made up of people with different motivations

They gave dude every out with those classified papers and he still pushed the issue, almost like he wanted to end up here

Just can't see him ending up in prison because I cant see which prison could hold him
 
If one factors in people being afraid of civil unrest then it does make sense that a slim majority want him pardoned even if that slim majority is made up of people with different motivations

They gave dude every out with those classified papers and he still pushed the issue, almost like he wanted to end up here

Just can't see him ending up in prison because I cant see which prison could hold him

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You crashing out sharing these goofy ass polls without thinking critically about them first.

2090 muhfuckas, 80 percent of Republicans and 30 of dems, does not translate to a majority of American just because somebody's fucking headline said that.

Y'all niggas tripping man.
 
Good morning. We’re covering Trump’s polling problems, the Supreme Court and a race around the world.​
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Trump supporters near Mar-a-Lago.Hilary Swift for The New York Times​

A Republican split​

The 50 percent threshold in a poll can sometimes be distracting. When more than half of people give a certain answer, it often becomes the dominant message to emerge from the poll question. It is the answer that appears to have won. Yet the most important information may nonetheless be lurking elsewhere.​
Consider the surveys over the past week that have asked Americans their opinions about the federal charges against Donald Trump. Here are the results of an ABC News/Ipsos survey, which were similar to other poll results:​
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Source: ABC News/Ipsos poll conducted from June 9-10, 2023 of 910 adults​
On first glance, a central message seems to be strong and continuing support for Trump — because a majority of Republicans said that the charges were not serious. Most Republicans also said that he should not have been charged with a crime and that the indictment was politically motivated.​
Media headlines have emphasized these pro-Trump majorities. At a dinner with Democratic donors this week, Jill Biden said that she had just read one of these headlines and found it “a little shocking.” Republican voters, Biden said, “don’t care about the indictment.”​
To be clear, Trump’s enduring support among Republicans is an important story. If it continues, he is likely to become the party’s nominee. That support is a sign that political polarization in the U.S. has become so intense that most Republican voters appear to care more about loyalty to Trump than about the possibility that he damaged national security by allowing sensitive intelligence to circulate.​
But the existence of an enduring pro-Trump Republican majority is not the only important conclusion from the recent polls. A couple of subtler patterns in the data are more worrisome for Trump.​

A decisive minority?​

First, look at the relative sizes of the minority opinions in each category in that chart above: There are considerably more Republicans who consider the charges serious than Democrats or independents who do not think they’re serious. The indictment divides Republicans more than it divides Democrats.​
A basic lesson of politics is that you win when the public debate is focused on issues that divide your opponent’s supporters and unite yours. Affirmative action, for example, is a problematic topic for the Democratic Party, even though most of its voters support the policy, because there are more Democrats who oppose it than Republicans who support it. (The Times recently explained how this dynamic led to a landslide defeat for an affirmative-action referendum in California.) For similar reasons, undocumented immigration creates political trouble for Democrats.​
Problematic subjects for the Republican Party, on the other hand, include health care access, the minimum wage, same-sex marriage and, especially, abortion bans. The recent polls show that Trump’s behavior also falls into this category. Republicans who think he should have been charged with a crime outnumber Democrats who think he should not have been. “Trump splits the party,” says Jonathan Bernstein, a political scientist who writes for Bloomberg Opinion. “No, not evenly, but even an 80/20 split is a real split.”​
Another problematic sign for Trump is that the number of Republicans bothered by his legal problems seems to be growing. So is the number among independents. More voters are bothered by the case against him — on charges of taking classified material and trying to conceal that he did — than by the earlier New York State charges related to hush money for a sexual encounter:​
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Source: ABC News/Ipsos polls from April 6-7, 2023 of 566 adults and June 9-10, 2023 of 910 adults​

The bottom line​

The 2024 election is still almost a year and a half away, and the prosecutors trying to hold Trump accountable will need to keep making their case not only in courtrooms but also to the public if they hope to convince most Americans of the seriousness of the charges. But those prosecutors do not need to convince most Republicans in order to succeed.​
Just look at what happened in the 2022 midterm elections. A small slice of Republican voters was unhappy enough with Trump’s anti-democratic behavior (and the Supreme Court’s abortion ruling) to defect from the party, helping Democrats keep control of the Senate. The last two presidential elections offer a similar case study: Trump lost the presidency in 2020 partly because 11 percent of typical Republican voters supported Joe Biden, up from 9 percent who voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, according to Catalist, a data firm.​
Fifty percent isn’t the only number that matters when you’re looking at a subgroups in poll. Small shifts within each party can determine election outcomes.​
 
We gotta define "they" very carefully and precisely here
I read an opinion piece from WaPo online, and the comments were about 70% against and 30% for pardoning him. VERY small sample size (about 700 comments at the time). But that was the reasoning for pardoning him.
 
How did the dumbass reporter write "most" in the title and then wrote:
"A slim majority of Americans surveyed in a poll released Friday would support pardoning former President Trump if he is convicted and sentenced to jail over allegations that he mishandled classified documents."
 
This is why:

"The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll found 53 percent of total respondents — 80 percent of Republicans and 30 percent of Democrats — would support a pardon in the interest of national unity, showing a large partisan divide in opinion."

Polling mostly Republican voters is not most Americans. That's like saying small towns are the majority of American population and lifestyle. Interestingly, even when polling mostly Republican voters, there was only a slim majority who feel he should be pardoned IF sentenced.
80+30 doesn't equal a hundred. they are saying 80 percent of republicans that polled want him to be pardoned. There is no breakdown of who was polled which would give you a valid point if correct.

my goodness.
 
80+30 doesn't equal a hundred. they are saying 80 percent of republicans that polled want him to be pardoned. There is no breakdown of who was polled which would give you a valid point if correct.

my goodness.

TheHill article (that YahooNews is citing) only mentions the Dems and GOP. The Harvard CAPS-Harris poll takes the average within a small sample of 2,090 registered voters (Dems, GOP, Independents/Other), including folks who are both familiar and unfamiliar with the indictment ("HEARD" vs. "UNHEARD") in the chart below:

If Donald Trump were convicted and sentenced to jail for his handling of classified documents, would you support or oppose a president pardoning him in the interest of national unity?

Column % GOP DEM IND/OTH HEARD NOT HEARD
Support 80% 30% 48% 54% 49% (Average is 52.2%)
Oppose 20% 70% 52% 46% 51% (Average is 47.8%)

 
You crashing out sharing these goofy ass polls without thinking critically about them first.

2090 muhfuckas, 80 percent of Republicans and 30 of dems, does not translate to a majority of American just because somebody's fucking headline said that.

Y'all niggas tripping man.

Thank you.
 
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