the way janet spoke about her backstory with kang , i know she omitted she let kang beat lol
Marvel Ant-Man & Wasp Official Movie Discussion Thread Update: Quantumania SPOILER REVIEWS!
them. Those ending credits 
never disappoint.
The Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania Credits Scenes (and Every Kang), Explained
By Richard Newby
[Redacted character] will return. Photo: Jay Maidment
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania kicks off phase five of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, further setting up the stakes of the multiverse saga and the threat of the new big bad: Kang the Conqueror. Those stakes are meant to become all the clearer in not one, but two credits scenes that are essential for what lies ahead, as all roads lead to Avengers: Secret Wars.
The Mid-Credits Scene: “All of Us”
Enter the three central variants of Kang (all of whom are played by Jonathan Majors) as they discuss the death, as far as they know, of “the exiled one” — Kang the Conqueror — who is (spoilers ahead!) defeated in the film by Ant-Man and the Wasp. The three variants, pulled from the pages of the comic books, are Immortus, the blue-skinned and robed elder of the three; Rama-Tut, the pharaoh who established an empire in ancient Egypt; and a silver cyborg version who appears be a new take on the Scarlet Centurion. Together, they have plans for what they perceive to be the growing problem of the Avengers. Immortus, we learn, has called together all of the Kang variants for the beginning of a multiversal war.
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The scene then cuts to thousands of Kang variants, each sporting slightly different looks, some of an alien species, cheering in a giant amphitheater as more variants are teleported in to join them. The histories of these characters are vast, complicated, and full of retcons and contradictions. But we’ll keep it simple:
➼ In the comics, Rama-Tut was the first iteration of Kang, appeareing back in Fantastic Four No. 19 (1963), when things were simple enough. A man from the future, known as Nathanial Richards, traveled back in time to ancient Egypt, conquered it, and made himself pharaoh.
➼ The Scarlet Centurion, who first appeared in Avengers Annual No. 2 (1968), is a version of Kang who, after meeting Doctor Doom and believing him to be his ancestor, crafts a suit of armor and pits the Avengers against an alternate version of themselves, hoping to wipe both out and stake his claim to two realities.
➼ Finally, Immortus, the Master of Time, who appeared in Avengers No. 10 (1964), is a more benevolent version of Kang who pruned dangerous alternate timelines from existence, very similar to the role of He Who Remains in the series, Loki. Deceitful, though not necessarily evil, Immortus worked to keep the multiverse from falling into the chaos that Kang desired.
➼ The entire gathering of Kang variants is known as the Council of Kangs, and they appeared in Avengers No. 267 in 1986. Led by Prime Kang, the council was part of a ruse by Immortus to wipe out all other Kang variants and ensure that Prime Kang became Immortus, rather than one of the other variants’ future selves. However, it seems the MCU is streamlining the plot a bit, pushing all the variants to work together toward a common goal: the reshaping the multiverse.
The Post-Credits Scene: Man Out of Time
The post-credits scene introduces audiences to yet another key incarnation of Kang. In the 1920s, Victor Timely (yes, Majors) instructs an attentive audience on his theory of time and relativity. In the crowd are Loki (Tom Hiddleston) and Mobius (Owen Wilson). Mobius — not Morbius; just want to emphasize that for everyone — says that Timely doesn’t seem at all like the terrifying man described to him (He Who Remains), but Loki assures him that he is. The scene serves to tee up Loki’s second season, which is expected to debut this summer and further explore the consequences of Kang’s machinations throughout the multiverse and takeover of the TVA.
The comics might hold a few clues as to what audiences can expect from the season. Victor Timely debuted in Avengers Annual No. 21 as a version of Kang who traveled back to 1901 and founded a town in Wisconsin called Timely. There, he established Timely Industries, responsible for constructing parts that would eventually lead to the technological advancement of the time machine in the 31st century. Essentially, Timely is Kang’s means to self-fulfillment — he becomes a time traveler because he traveled through time and created the technology that would allow him to do so. But as far as the comics go, Timely isn’t a variant of Kang — he’s a disguise. If this holds true for the MCU, then Timely is in fact the same man as “the exiled one,” simply at a different point in time, rather than from a different universe. The film’s final tag, “Kang Will Return” may suggest as much.
By Richard Newby
[Redacted character] will return. Photo: Jay Maidment
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania kicks off phase five of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, further setting up the stakes of the multiverse saga and the threat of the new big bad: Kang the Conqueror. Those stakes are meant to become all the clearer in not one, but two credits scenes that are essential for what lies ahead, as all roads lead to Avengers: Secret Wars.
The Mid-Credits Scene: “All of Us”
Enter the three central variants of Kang (all of whom are played by Jonathan Majors) as they discuss the death, as far as they know, of “the exiled one” — Kang the Conqueror — who is (spoilers ahead!) defeated in the film by Ant-Man and the Wasp. The three variants, pulled from the pages of the comic books, are Immortus, the blue-skinned and robed elder of the three; Rama-Tut, the pharaoh who established an empire in ancient Egypt; and a silver cyborg version who appears be a new take on the Scarlet Centurion. Together, they have plans for what they perceive to be the growing problem of the Avengers. Immortus, we learn, has called together all of the Kang variants for the beginning of a multiversal war.
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Conversations about craft, cash, and compromise, with Emily Gould.
The scene then cuts to thousands of Kang variants, each sporting slightly different looks, some of an alien species, cheering in a giant amphitheater as more variants are teleported in to join them. The histories of these characters are vast, complicated, and full of retcons and contradictions. But we’ll keep it simple:
➼ In the comics, Rama-Tut was the first iteration of Kang, appeareing back in Fantastic Four No. 19 (1963), when things were simple enough. A man from the future, known as Nathanial Richards, traveled back in time to ancient Egypt, conquered it, and made himself pharaoh.
➼ The Scarlet Centurion, who first appeared in Avengers Annual No. 2 (1968), is a version of Kang who, after meeting Doctor Doom and believing him to be his ancestor, crafts a suit of armor and pits the Avengers against an alternate version of themselves, hoping to wipe both out and stake his claim to two realities.
➼ Finally, Immortus, the Master of Time, who appeared in Avengers No. 10 (1964), is a more benevolent version of Kang who pruned dangerous alternate timelines from existence, very similar to the role of He Who Remains in the series, Loki. Deceitful, though not necessarily evil, Immortus worked to keep the multiverse from falling into the chaos that Kang desired.
➼ The entire gathering of Kang variants is known as the Council of Kangs, and they appeared in Avengers No. 267 in 1986. Led by Prime Kang, the council was part of a ruse by Immortus to wipe out all other Kang variants and ensure that Prime Kang became Immortus, rather than one of the other variants’ future selves. However, it seems the MCU is streamlining the plot a bit, pushing all the variants to work together toward a common goal: the reshaping the multiverse.
The Post-Credits Scene: Man Out of Time
The post-credits scene introduces audiences to yet another key incarnation of Kang. In the 1920s, Victor Timely (yes, Majors) instructs an attentive audience on his theory of time and relativity. In the crowd are Loki (Tom Hiddleston) and Mobius (Owen Wilson). Mobius — not Morbius; just want to emphasize that for everyone — says that Timely doesn’t seem at all like the terrifying man described to him (He Who Remains), but Loki assures him that he is. The scene serves to tee up Loki’s second season, which is expected to debut this summer and further explore the consequences of Kang’s machinations throughout the multiverse and takeover of the TVA.
The comics might hold a few clues as to what audiences can expect from the season. Victor Timely debuted in Avengers Annual No. 21 as a version of Kang who traveled back to 1901 and founded a town in Wisconsin called Timely. There, he established Timely Industries, responsible for constructing parts that would eventually lead to the technological advancement of the time machine in the 31st century. Essentially, Timely is Kang’s means to self-fulfillment — he becomes a time traveler because he traveled through time and created the technology that would allow him to do so. But as far as the comics go, Timely isn’t a variant of Kang — he’s a disguise. If this holds true for the MCU, then Timely is in fact the same man as “the exiled one,” simply at a different point in time, rather than from a different universe. The film’s final tag, “Kang Will Return” may suggest as much.
It didn't have any effect on Captain Marvel though. Incels hated the fuck out of that movie, lit up Rotten Tomatoes with bad reviews of it, and it still made a billion dollars.
You put Wakanda Forever above Ragnarok?The movie was just mediocre, imo.
I'd give it about a 6 out of 10.
The best part about the film was Jonathan Majors.
HE did a great job as Kang.
Overall, the movie was better than Dr. Strange Multiverse... and Thor Ragnarok... but definitely not better than Wakanda Forever.
Just my opinion.
And so will Antman.
I couldn't FIND A DAMN TICKET this whole weekend.
I'm just so curious why there is a certain group of people who are desperate to see Marvel fail
Scratch that - they want any of these movies to fail.
This the introduction of Kang.
Black male lead villian for an entire phase of a film franchise
Just off THAT?
I'm rooting for it.
Talking to folk who ACTUALLY saw it they said it's fine it ain't Citizen Kane but its fine
Wtf more you want?
When the Black Superman movie, GOTG3, Joker 2, Blue Beetle, Aquaman etcetera
I'm rooting for them ALL.
Of course I want them to be all good
I want more black writers and directors and producers too
But there few movies especially of this genre I take joy in their failure.
I like this stuff like my dad like westerns and my uncles liked sci fi and my cousins loved horror.
This is MY genre.
And it's always gonna be hit or miss
There's racism and sexism involved in wanting the MCU to fail no doubt but I think a lot of it comes down to people just being contrarian.
When something becomes popular with the masses, there's a lot people who begin to hate it just for that reason alone.
Then you have the critics within the industry itself -- Scorsese, Tarantino, Besson, etc -- who are fanning the flames. It's like what happened to disco in the late 70s when it started to recieve hate from the middle-of-the-road white community since it was popular with Black, Latino, and gay people.
You quoted the wrong quote, Playa.
I really just like hearing differing views is all, fam.
You quoted the wrong quote, Playa.
I'm playing bro!!!
It's funny how social media ruined debate. My most fun was hanging out in comic shops talking comic stuff for HOURS. No anger no beef no name calling. And every time I learned something new. I miss those days.
I would like to say that I believe Ragnarok gets a lot of undeserved hate on these boards. Now I understand the change of tone wasn't to everyone's liking, but the movie was a quintessential, action film masterpiece in its own right.
It just doesn't work because people compare it to the previous Thor films instead of judging it on its own merits. For me, the film was a flawless throwback to action-adventure films like Flash Gordon and The fifth Element with great pacing, visuals, action, and soundtrack.
Shiiiit. That's my social life. I just shoot the shit with buddies drinking beer or liquor and discussing film, music, comics or anything else.
By the way your 100% right and I loved that movie
Maybe one of my favorites all time.
It is ONLY this board where I heard fans hate on it
Sidebar: LOVED flash Gordon wish someone remakes it
And fifth element is simultaneously slept on and been completely jacked at the same time.
But is there your stupid, your a plant, incel, name calling, women hating, gay bashing, conspiracy theory talk dominating the convo?
The Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania Credits Scenes (and Every Kang), Explained
By Richard Newby
[Redacted character] will return. Photo: Jay Maidment
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania kicks off phase five of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, further setting up the stakes of the multiverse saga and the threat of the new big bad: Kang the Conqueror. Those stakes are meant to become all the clearer in not one, but two credits scenes that are essential for what lies ahead, as all roads lead to Avengers: Secret Wars.
The Mid-Credits Scene: “All of Us”
Enter the three central variants of Kang (all of whom are played by Jonathan Majors) as they discuss the death, as far as they know, of “the exiled one” — Kang the Conqueror — who is (spoilers ahead!) defeated in the film by Ant-Man and the Wasp. The three variants, pulled from the pages of the comic books, are Immortus, the blue-skinned and robed elder of the three; Rama-Tut, the pharaoh who established an empire in ancient Egypt; and a silver cyborg version who appears be a new take on the Scarlet Centurion. Together, they have plans for what they perceive to be the growing problem of the Avengers. Immortus, we learn, has called together all of the Kang variants for the beginning of a multiversal war.
Sign up for Making It
Conversations about craft, cash, and compromise, with Emily Gould.
The scene then cuts to thousands of Kang variants, each sporting slightly different looks, some of an alien species, cheering in a giant amphitheater as more variants are teleported in to join them. The histories of these characters are vast, complicated, and full of retcons and contradictions. But we’ll keep it simple:
➼ In the comics, Rama-Tut was the first iteration of Kang, appeareing back in Fantastic Four No. 19 (1963), when things were simple enough. A man from the future, known as Nathanial Richards, traveled back in time to ancient Egypt, conquered it, and made himself pharaoh.
➼ The Scarlet Centurion, who first appeared in Avengers Annual No. 2 (1968), is a version of Kang who, after meeting Doctor Doom and believing him to be his ancestor, crafts a suit of armor and pits the Avengers against an alternate version of themselves, hoping to wipe both out and stake his claim to two realities.
➼ Finally, Immortus, the Master of Time, who appeared in Avengers No. 10 (1964), is a more benevolent version of Kang who pruned dangerous alternate timelines from existence, very similar to the role of He Who Remains in the series, Loki. Deceitful, though not necessarily evil, Immortus worked to keep the multiverse from falling into the chaos that Kang desired.
➼ The entire gathering of Kang variants is known as the Council of Kangs, and they appeared in Avengers No. 267 in 1986. Led by Prime Kang, the council was part of a ruse by Immortus to wipe out all other Kang variants and ensure that Prime Kang became Immortus, rather than one of the other variants’ future selves. However, it seems the MCU is streamlining the plot a bit, pushing all the variants to work together toward a common goal: the reshaping the multiverse.
The Post-Credits Scene: Man Out of Time
The post-credits scene introduces audiences to yet another key incarnation of Kang. In the 1920s, Victor Timely (yes, Majors) instructs an attentive audience on his theory of time and relativity. In the crowd are Loki (Tom Hiddleston) and Mobius (Owen Wilson). Mobius — not Morbius; just want to emphasize that for everyone — says that Timely doesn’t seem at all like the terrifying man described to him (He Who Remains), but Loki assures him that he is. The scene serves to tee up Loki’s second season, which is expected to debut this summer and further explore the consequences of Kang’s machinations throughout the multiverse and takeover of the TVA.
The comics might hold a few clues as to what audiences can expect from the season. Victor Timely debuted in Avengers Annual No. 21 as a version of Kang who traveled back to 1901 and founded a town in Wisconsin called Timely. There, he established Timely Industries, responsible for constructing parts that would eventually lead to the technological advancement of the time machine in the 31st century. Essentially, Timely is Kang’s means to self-fulfillment — he becomes a time traveler because he traveled through time and created the technology that would allow him to do so. But as far as the comics go, Timely isn’t a variant of Kang — he’s a disguise. If this holds true for the MCU, then Timely is in fact the same man as “the exiled one,” simply at a different point in time, rather than from a different universe. The film’s final tag, “Kang Will Return” may suggest as much.
By Richard Newby
[Redacted character] will return. Photo: Jay Maidment
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania kicks off phase five of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, further setting up the stakes of the multiverse saga and the threat of the new big bad: Kang the Conqueror. Those stakes are meant to become all the clearer in not one, but two credits scenes that are essential for what lies ahead, as all roads lead to Avengers: Secret Wars.
The Mid-Credits Scene: “All of Us”
Enter the three central variants of Kang (all of whom are played by Jonathan Majors) as they discuss the death, as far as they know, of “the exiled one” — Kang the Conqueror — who is (spoilers ahead!) defeated in the film by Ant-Man and the Wasp. The three variants, pulled from the pages of the comic books, are Immortus, the blue-skinned and robed elder of the three; Rama-Tut, the pharaoh who established an empire in ancient Egypt; and a silver cyborg version who appears be a new take on the Scarlet Centurion. Together, they have plans for what they perceive to be the growing problem of the Avengers. Immortus, we learn, has called together all of the Kang variants for the beginning of a multiversal war.
Sign up for Making It
Conversations about craft, cash, and compromise, with Emily Gould.
The scene then cuts to thousands of Kang variants, each sporting slightly different looks, some of an alien species, cheering in a giant amphitheater as more variants are teleported in to join them. The histories of these characters are vast, complicated, and full of retcons and contradictions. But we’ll keep it simple:
➼ In the comics, Rama-Tut was the first iteration of Kang, appeareing back in Fantastic Four No. 19 (1963), when things were simple enough. A man from the future, known as Nathanial Richards, traveled back in time to ancient Egypt, conquered it, and made himself pharaoh.
➼ The Scarlet Centurion, who first appeared in Avengers Annual No. 2 (1968), is a version of Kang who, after meeting Doctor Doom and believing him to be his ancestor, crafts a suit of armor and pits the Avengers against an alternate version of themselves, hoping to wipe both out and stake his claim to two realities.
➼ Finally, Immortus, the Master of Time, who appeared in Avengers No. 10 (1964), is a more benevolent version of Kang who pruned dangerous alternate timelines from existence, very similar to the role of He Who Remains in the series, Loki. Deceitful, though not necessarily evil, Immortus worked to keep the multiverse from falling into the chaos that Kang desired.
➼ The entire gathering of Kang variants is known as the Council of Kangs, and they appeared in Avengers No. 267 in 1986. Led by Prime Kang, the council was part of a ruse by Immortus to wipe out all other Kang variants and ensure that Prime Kang became Immortus, rather than one of the other variants’ future selves. However, it seems the MCU is streamlining the plot a bit, pushing all the variants to work together toward a common goal: the reshaping the multiverse.
The Post-Credits Scene: Man Out of Time
The post-credits scene introduces audiences to yet another key incarnation of Kang. In the 1920s, Victor Timely (yes, Majors) instructs an attentive audience on his theory of time and relativity. In the crowd are Loki (Tom Hiddleston) and Mobius (Owen Wilson). Mobius — not Morbius; just want to emphasize that for everyone — says that Timely doesn’t seem at all like the terrifying man described to him (He Who Remains), but Loki assures him that he is. The scene serves to tee up Loki’s second season, which is expected to debut this summer and further explore the consequences of Kang’s machinations throughout the multiverse and takeover of the TVA.
The comics might hold a few clues as to what audiences can expect from the season. Victor Timely debuted in Avengers Annual No. 21 as a version of Kang who traveled back to 1901 and founded a town in Wisconsin called Timely. There, he established Timely Industries, responsible for constructing parts that would eventually lead to the technological advancement of the time machine in the 31st century. Essentially, Timely is Kang’s means to self-fulfillment — he becomes a time traveler because he traveled through time and created the technology that would allow him to do so. But as far as the comics go, Timely isn’t a variant of Kang — he’s a disguise. If this holds true for the MCU, then Timely is in fact the same man as “the exiled one,” simply at a different point in time, rather than from a different universe. The film’s final tag, “Kang Will Return” may suggest as much.
Yeah, I noticed that about The Fifth Element. I think that's because it's a cult classic that was slept on in its day but has become a favorite of Zoomers, who are endlessly fascinated by everything made in the 90s.
Never in my personal circles. That shit don't fly in real life around me.
We hated it at the time I think it was even a flop
and them now I see so many movies taking whole elements (pun intended) from that movie making hits.
Bro I gotta apologize
It was not until JUST now did I notice that your screen name is from Letterman
deep cuts my brethren deep cuts
I have failed you for not mentioning it sooner.
good.
I don't know why it seems like it was a flop from the way folk don't show more love.
But its been getting a lot more appreciation like you said recently.
Did the avi give it away?
Someone asked me about it months ago. They said the avi reminded them of a messed up James Earl Jones. lol
I was a big fan of Biff from way back when I was kid. He and Letterman had great comedic timing.
Did the avi give it away?
Someone asked me about it months ago. They said the avi reminded them of a messed up James Earl Jones. lol
I was big fan of Biff from way back when I was kid. He and Letterman had great comedic timing.
I seen that gif of yours literally hundreds of times and it JUST clicked today!
bro lets not derail this thread so I can go on my love of letterman there is a lot of emotional connection with that show especially as a young kid sneaking to stay up to watch it. His style of humor really formed my comedic tastes as matured.
To get back on track I think a DRIER humor style is going to be necessary going forward for marvel
its a slippery slope PLUS a tightrope they gotta cross
they ALWAYS want to stay family friendly
but some of these superhero stories just aint for little kids.
And kids are SMARTER (overall) now
T'Challa's "I never freeze line" resonated.
IT was funny it was memorable it was dry quick
But because it was PERFECTLY delivered by a gifted talented actor?
IT hit perfect for the scene character and following scene
MORE aint NEVER been better in comedy.
I'd rather that ONE line every 15 minutes.
then one every 3.
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Taika Watiti is going to do just that..
Agreed on Letterman.
As for the MCU, they're gonna have to rein Taika in or just let him go completely. His input was appreciated but Marvel and him may need to go their separate ways. Furthermore, writers at Marvel should not try to emulate his style.
Personally, I'd like the MCU to go the direction James Gunn seems to have been trying to go. The humor is there, but it's drier and the films are deeper than they appear on the surface.
Furthermore, he does the cosmic stuff in a way that normal moviegoers, rather than just nerds like us, can digest and enjoy it.
I never seen Loki, will have to check it out.
you will like it.
agreed MOSTLY
Bro Gunn can go a little too EXTRA too
TRUST you saw Suicide Squad? Guardians Christmas?
He goes RIGHT up to the line
He is the man - I been a day one fan but he can ALSO go a little wild
Taika was fine but after Ragnarock they just took the leash off which was a huge mistake.
But controlled? Taiki is a damn visionary.
and NO ONE should try to copy Taiki he is a ONE of ONE - you 100% right about that.
But I like that each character was going to have its OWN tone.
Iron Man sci fi drama Captain America political Thriller Black Panther dramatic allegorical Ant Man comedic Heist SCi Fi
^^^^
I think that is why they chose Antman to do it
I am surprised (I have NOT seen the movie yet) but the complaints about Antman being s grand sci tale are misguided
Antman and the Atom BOTH all had HUGE otherworldly adventures when they shrunk
that's a comic book foundation
it made perfect sense.
I can't speak on execution though.
I've seen everything from Gunn except the Christmas special. I live his vision. He's out there in a way similar to Cronenberg but a little less gross.
What I like about him is how he was able to seamlessly introduce the cosmic aspects of Marvel. If they go forward with The Eternals they could use him.
In fact, it was already established in the MCU as well. End Game is built off the fact that he basically enters a different dimension when he shrinks.
You hated Fifth Element??? Movie was great right from the beginning.
Dude is a HACK. The problem with white audiences is that they think jokes every 5 minutes when they don't belong is quality entertainment. It's not.
I HATE his movies.
Maybe Chris Tucker prancing around like a fairy and screaming rubbed some people the wrong way. I, too, enjoyed it from the jump though.
I'll ignore your statements on Waititi since we agree about TFE.
