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chrislee said:

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i have a hard time believing that
by all accounts TK wouldnt let Malaki Black & Murphy walk
Miro has been limbo
and even with Regal he wont allow him to appear on screen capacity in WWE

Swerve & Lee were HHH guys (espeically Lee) I could see em wanting to leave but dont think TK would let em
 
TK gotta let the reins go. There are tons of directions to go in to put on great show. Seems like he doesn't even take direction or ideas cuz that Swerve stable is shit. A stable is supposed to be cool, ain't nobody worth a damn but Swerve.
 
EPDC said:
if the rumor of him refusing to job to Orange Cassidy is true, I can't blame him
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It doesn't matter. You can't pick and choose who you want to job to. If it's not beneath Jericho or Pac to job to Cassidy then it shouldn't be beneath Miro either. Act like a professional and understand business. Cassidy is in his spot because he's a top merch seller. That's just the way it is. Miro should know better. Doing jobs now mean you get pushed later.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
It doesn't matter. You can't pick and choose who you want to job to. If it's not beneath Jericho or Pac to job to Cassidy then it shouldn't be beneath Miro either. Act like a professional and understand business. Cassidy is in his spot because he's a top merch seller. That's just the way it is. Miro should know better. Doing jobs now mean you get pushed later.
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Sure you can, especially if your character is treated as an unstoppable force, unlike Jericho and Pac.

What sense would it make if the Redeemer lost to a joke of a character of like Cassidy?

I wouldn't expect Miro to job to Orange Cassidy for the same reason I would never expect Brock Lesnar to job to likes of Fandango.
 
EPDC said:
Sure you can, especially if your character is treated as an unstoppable force, unlike Jericho and Pac.

What sense would it make if the Redeemer lost to a joke of a character of like Cassidy?

I wouldn't expect Miro to job to Orange Cassidy for the same reason I would never expect Brock Lesnar to job to likes of Fandango.
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Miro isn't an unstoppable force though. He has a weakness which is his neck. It's been exploited by the likes of Sammy Guevara. If Sammy can do it then Orange can do it.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
It doesn't matter. You can't pick and choose who you want to job to. If it's not beneath Jericho or Pac to job to Cassidy then it shouldn't be beneath Miro either. Act like a professional and understand business. Cassidy is in his spot because he's a top merch seller. That's just the way it is. Miro should know better. Doing jobs now mean you get pushed later.
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Fuck that, I wouldn't do a job to "Pockets" either. I'd just sit out, like he's doing, until either my contract runs out or I get released.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
Miro isn't an unstoppable force though. He has a weakness which is his neck. It's been exploited by the likes of Sammy Guevara. If Sammy can do it then Orange can do it.
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So would Orange expose the weakness of this strong, vicious Redeemer character before or after the play kicks? Or would Orange make it special and different by having his hands in his pockets while attacking Miro's neck? I can't blame Miro considering he'd be losing to a guy in Orange Cassidy that most people don't take seriously because he doesn't even take himself seriously
 
c_commander said:
So would Orange expose the weakness of this strong, vicious Redeemer character before or after the play kicks? Or would Orange make it special and different by having his hands in his pockets while attacking Miro's neck? I can't blame Miro considering he'd be losing to a guy in Orange Cassidy that most people don't take seriously because he doesn't even take himself seriously
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At the end of the day the glue that holds it all together is CAN YOU WRESTLE? Yes Cassidy can wrestle and has proven to put on some excellent matches. The one he had with Will Ospreay at "Forbidden Door" and the ones with Pac immediately come to mind. Plus on top of that he's a top merch seller. Miro walking around with an ego like he's Hogan. Dude you're a mid-carder. What AEW World title have you won? Shut the fuck up and do your job. If Jericho has no problem putting over Cassidy who the fuck are you?
 
At the end of the day, we all know TK has been known to make poor booking decisions. I’m going to side with Miro because he was brought up through the NXT system and had success in WWE before they fumbled the ball on Rusev Day.

Seeing how TK shitty booking has made other wrestlers go from hot to meh, I‘ll give Miro the benefit of doubt on how this is being handled.

The man had a big fucking deal WrestleMania match against John Cena years ago….ain’t no way he should job to a comedy wrestler.

Yes, Jericho did the job to Cassidy and other scrubs, but Jericho is in the tail end of his career. Miro still hasn’t peaked.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
It doesn't matter. You can't pick and choose who you want to job to. If it's not beneath Jericho or Pac to job to Cassidy then it shouldn't be beneath Miro either. Act like a professional and understand business. Cassidy is in his spot because he's a top merch seller. That's just the way it is. Miro should know better. Doing jobs now mean you get pushed later.
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It should be though. Like Cena would've never jobbed to Santino Morrella or no shit like that. Like we know the deal. There's levels to it. A older vet in the game will job to the new top guy coming through. Jobbing to Cassidy would've been a joke if I were him.
 
This week of AEW Dynamite was ehh!!...I like the segment with Rick Starks and Jericho..That was good and The Mox vs Martin from the member of Top Flight was good!!...They could have left that segment with Swerve, Ketih Lee, and Rick Ross out..That was soo lame but it was kinda funny to hear Ross curse on TV..lol....TK needs to get back on track on booking good matches and segments..He was doing good a while back but he starting to slack and booked alot of BS segments and matches lately!!..Come on TK!!..Get it together!!..:smh:

It's still all about AEW!!


My AEW Brothers and my other Wrestling Brothers,...Have a Good Christmas!!...:yes:
 
Mastermind2002 said:
It was the best AEW Women's match this year. Shida always makes her opponents look good and Hayter is already proving to be a better champ than Thunder Rosa.

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I know I always fast forward the women's matches..They had a the main event match on Dynamite this week but I heard it was a good match...I might go back and check it out!!...
 
blackman80 said:
This week of AEW Dynamite was ehh!!...I like the segment with Rick Starks and Jericho..That was good and The Mox vs Martin from the member of Top Flight was good!!...They could have left that segment with Swerve, Ketih Lee, and Rick Ross out..That was soo lame but it was kinda funny to hear Ross curse on TV..lol....TK needs to get back on track on booking good matches and segments..He was doing good a while back but he starting to slack and booked alot of BS segments and matches lately!!..Come on TK!!..Get it together!!..:smh:

It's still all about AEW!!


My AEW Brothers and my other Wrestling Brothers,...Have a Good Christmas!!...:yes:
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Wow, this might be the first time you DIDN'T like an episode of Dynamite. :lol:
 
dtownsfinest said:
It should be though. Like Cena would've never jobbed to Santino Morrella or no shit like that. Like we know the deal. There's levels to it. A older vet in the game will job to the new top guy coming through. Jobbing to Cassidy would've been a joke if I were him.
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You're using a false equivalency to prove your point. Orange Cassidy and Miro are mid-carders. They're in the same wrestling tier. Miro jobbing to Cassidy wouldn't be the same as Cena jobbing to Santino Marella. Miro needs to shut the fuck up and be a professional.
 
Mastermind2002 said:
At the end of the day the glue that holds it all together is CAN YOU WRESTLE? Yes Cassidy can wrestle and has proven to put on some excellent matches. The one he had with Will Ospreay at "Forbidden Door" and the ones with Pac immediately come to mind. Plus on top of that he's a top merch seller. Miro walking around with an ego like he's Hogan. Dude you're a mid-carder. What AEW World title have you won? Shut the fuck up and do your job. If Jericho has no problem putting over Cassidy who the fuck are you?
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So a heel, monster type who's coming back from being away should come back and lose to a guy because that guy sells t-shirts!! Oh and because he's a good wrestler in spite of the fact that the guy is and always has been a comedy figure. And he had a good match, which he lost, with a guy who did 3 matches before being going back to Japan. Miro's time in AEW started off trash doing what exactly? Playing around with comedy figures like The Best Friends and Kip Sabian but now that he finally got past that he should allow history to repeat itself and be dragged right back into that shit. Miro won the TNT title so yes he's been a mid carder largely because of the bad booking that wants him to job to Orange Cassidy. Will it help Orange Cassidy? No because he'll be the same character he was 3 years ago, doing the same joke or 2 that he was doing 3 years ago. Will it hurt Miro? Yes because he'd be losing to the bland, joke guy who hasn't evolved in 3 years. Hell it's not like the last time that we saw him he was losing to an undersized babyface in Sammy Guevara. Let's do it again. Not like Miro knows so that couldn't possibly hurt him because he'll back on the show right after losing like, say, Chris Jericho so that he could regain any possible lost momentum. But then again, Jericho who gets to be on the show every week and gets to do whatever he wants lost to Cassidy in a match revolving around a brunch drink so Miro should do it too.
 
If Ricochet gets like that from a kiss
Mastermind2002 said:
At the end of the day the glue that holds it all together is CAN YOU WRESTLE? Yes Cassidy can wrestle and has proven to put on some excellent matches. The one he had with Will Ospreay at "Forbidden Door" and the ones with Pac immediately come to mind. Plus on top of that he's a top merch seller. Miro walking around with an ego like he's Hogan. Dude you're a mid-carder. What AEW World title have you won? Shut the fuck up and do your job. If Jericho has no problem putting over Cassidy who the fuck are you?
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Nobody has benefited from feuding with Orange Cassidy. Miro didn't the 1rst time. Pac didn't benefit when he lost The All Atlantic title to him. Santana and Ortiz didn't benefit from their feud with The Best Friends complete with Orange Cassidy emerging from car trunks during matches beyond a goofy 5 star match rating from Meltzer. Adam Cole certainly didn't benefited from his time having matches with Orange Cassidy. He went from huge deal to why didn't he stay with the WWE in the span of a month doing it.
 
c_commander said:
So a heel, monster type who's coming back from being away should come back and lose to a guy because that guy sells t-shirts!!
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Yes because merch sells are a strong indicator that a guy is over with the fan base and that's what you get behind as a booker. It's not rocket science. If you have two mid carders facing each other and one is insanely over and the other not so much you book the person who's over. That's business. This is the same reason why The Acclaimed are over right now. Are they the best tag team in AEW? Of course not but they're the most over tag team in AEW.

Oh and because he's a good wrestler in spite of the fact that the guy is and always has been a comedy figure.
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Doesn't matter if he's a comedy figure he can wrestle. Stop associating comedy with a lack of skill.

. And he had a good match, which he lost, with a guy who did 3 matches before being going back to Japan.
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Correction he had a good match with Will Ospreay the best wrestler in the world right now and a main event star in New Japan.

Miro's time in AEW started off trash doing what exactly? Playing around with comedy figures like The Best Friends and Kip Sabian but now that he finally got past that he should allow history to repeat itself and be dragged right back into that shit. Miro won the TNT title so yes he's been a mid carder largely because of the bad booking that wants him to job to Orange Cassidy.
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Miro is a mid carder because that's what he deserves to be right now. In time he could rise to be a main eventer but he's got to be patient and stop bitching.

Will it help Orange Cassidy? No because he'll be the same character he was 3 years ago, doing the same joke or 2 that he was doing 3 years ago.
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If people are still enjoying the gimmick then it won't matter if he's still doing it 3 years from now. You do the gimmick until it's not accepted anymore by the fan base THEN you change.

Will it hurt Miro? Yes because he'd be losing to the bland, joke guy who hasn't evolved in 3 years.
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The joke guy barely wrestled when he first started in AEW. NOW the joke guy is having four star matches and currently holds a title. Yeah, you're right he hasn't evolved at all. :D

Hell it's not like the last time that we saw him he was losing to an undersized babyface in Sammy Guevara. Let's do it again. Not like Miro knows so that couldn't possibly hurt him because he'll back on the show right after losing like, say, Chris Jericho so that he could regain any possible lost momentum.
But then again, Jericho who gets to be on the show every week and gets to do whatever he wants lost to Cassidy in a match revolving around a brunch drink so Miro should do it too.
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Miro isn't Chris Jericho. Jericho is a day one guy with the company and former world champion. Of course he'll have more leverage than Miro who hasn't really done squat.
 

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