So what you expect is for the record companies, producers, etc....to negotiate with the artist best interest vs their own best interest? It is that simple.
OH BOY! Beyonce VS Kelis!!.....no, like really, Kelis is accusing Bey of sampling her without her permission.
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So what you expect is for the record companies, producers, etc....to negotiate with the artist best interest vs their own best interest? It is that simple.
"In a 2020 interview with The Guardian, Kelis claimed that “she made nothing from sales of her first two albums,” suggesting that she was “blatantly lied to and tricked” by “the Neptunes and their management and their lawyers and all that stuff.”
“I was told we were going to split the whole thing 33/33/33, which we didn’t do,” she said. “Their argument is: ‘Well, you signed it.’ I’m like: ‘Yeah, I signed what I was told, and I was too young and too stupid to double-check it.’”
Kelis is not the first artist to be surprised at being sampled or interpolated on Renaissance. “Break My Soul,” the album’s lead single, contains elements of Robin S.’ “Show Me Love,” and, therefore, credits songwriters Allen George and Fred McFarlane (but not Robin S.). In an interview with Good Morning Britain, Robin S. said she had no formal contact with Beyoncé and her team ahead of the single’s release, and that she learned about the use of her music because her son told her she was “trending all over the place.”
Robin S. also thanked Beyoncé for using elements of her music: “This is Robin S, and this message goes out to the Queen Bey herself, Beyoncé, to Jay-Z, to the entire team: Thank you so much for giving me my flowers while I’m still alive. I am honored, and I’m excited to see what else can happen.”
“I was told we were going to split the whole thing 33/33/33, which we didn’t do,” she said. “Their argument is: ‘Well, you signed it.’ I’m like: ‘Yeah, I signed what I was told, and I was too young and too stupid to double-check it.’”
Kelis is not the first artist to be surprised at being sampled or interpolated on Renaissance. “Break My Soul,” the album’s lead single, contains elements of Robin S.’ “Show Me Love,” and, therefore, credits songwriters Allen George and Fred McFarlane (but not Robin S.). In an interview with Good Morning Britain, Robin S. said she had no formal contact with Beyoncé and her team ahead of the single’s release, and that she learned about the use of her music because her son told her she was “trending all over the place.”
Robin S. also thanked Beyoncé for using elements of her music: “This is Robin S, and this message goes out to the Queen Bey herself, Beyoncé, to Jay-Z, to the entire team: Thank you so much for giving me my flowers while I’m still alive. I am honored, and I’m excited to see what else can happen.”
but she still worked with Neptunes and had them write/produce her lead single Milkshake for album #3 tho.....
Also her dad was a jazz musician, I'm sure he told her horror stories and to make sure her paperwork was right....unfortunately I know he died (2000) shortly after she got signed (1998) But still
^^^^That is how you handle it when you have no legal/monetary ties to the song /sample.....
These are the reasons why whenever I get invited to a session, I find out if I'm recording what's been finished, or am I there to help create. If it's the latter, then that's where split sheets come in. I wasn't there, but I'll bet my last buck she threw an idea or two out there that made the cut. It sucked that while she was thinking "family & friends", they were thinking "business".
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Pharrell should stop frontin and apologize to Kelis,
for real
Beyonce said "You ain't get a coin baby you was getting fucked then....I know who I paid girl.....Serchlight publishing"
She saw how the relevance of that other singer blew up because of Bey's album and now she wants some of that shine cause she been irrelevent
This is a business, businesses don’t work in your best interest. Again, she didn’t have the right people in place and neither did Taylor swift.
What’s Going On With Kelis, Beyoncé, and Pharrell Williams?
Beyoncé is removing the “Milkshake” interpolation from “Energy.”
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Kelis Probably Can’t Sue the Neptunes Over Beyoncé’s ‘Milkshake’ Interpolation
The 2003 track can be heard in “Energy” on Beyoncé’s album, Renaissance.
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Actually businesses should be working to make sure both parties walk away satisfied if for nothing else but to maintain a decent reputation because youre constantly dealing with that person or people and you want to satisfactory transactions to bring in more business! What you call business is actually just flat out greed and con-man tactics. Whats really fucked up about it is that you and nearly everyone else in the world ACCEPT IT and probably even practice it thats why you're attitude about it is
And its why labels and studios and networks and just about every industry gets away with it. Because people who think like you do DON'T call that shit out when it happens. You all are GOOD WITH IT and thats a major reason why the world is as fucked up as it is.Its not business its just FUCKING PEOPLE OVER.
You only saw half of it, notice "for real" is under Pharrell. Jay Z called him for real in that song
That GIF matches the beat of that Move track, LOL
Petty, delusional, hateful, beautiful, mega talented Virgo's
Now Kelis and Pharrell have been taken off of the song....
Fantasy landActually businesses should be working to make sure both parties walk away satisfied if for nothing else but to maintain a decent reputation because youre constantly dealing with that person or people and you want to satisfactory transactions to bring in more business! What you call business is actually just flat out greed and con-man tactics. Whats really fucked up about it is that you and nearly everyone else in the world ACCEPT IT and probably even practice it thats why you're attitude about it is
Its not business its just FUCKING PEOPLE OVER.
Kelis just messed up the money. She has made new enemies.
And for the record, it was an interpolation not a sample.
And for the record, it was an interpolation not a sample.
your moral compass is so badly skewed you can't tell right and wrong anymore.
For the record she was lucky to get a credit on a Beyoncé song that's gonna due streaming/ playlist numbers.......
She definitely dropped the bag and played herself
On the original version of “Energy,” near the song’s end, Beyoncé sang a variation of the “La-la, la-la, la” that Kelis made famous on “Milkshake” (as shown by the TikToker @jarredjermaine). In the updated version of “Energy” on streaming platforms, Beyoncé’s series of “las” is absent. Pitchfork has reached out to Beyoncé’s representative for comment and more information.
Despite being interpolated, Kelis was not credited as a writer of “Energy” because she is not officially a writer or producer of “Milkshake.” Her Neptunes collaborators, Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo, are officially the composers and lyricists of “Milkshake,” and, therefore, are co-writers of the original “Energy.” Beyoncé’s website no longer lists Hugo and Williams as “Energy” composers, and the “Milkshake” interpolation is no longer noted.
Beyoncé Removes Kelis Interpolation From “Energy” Amid Controversy Over Credits
The Renaissance song no longer includes an interpolation of “Milkshake” after Kelis claimed Beyoncé did not inform her that she’d be nodding to her music
Full credits later revealed the song in question was “Milkshake,” with Kelis’ former producers Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo credited on the track. Beyoncé’s website also noted the song was interpolated, which takes an existing sound and alters it, whereas sampling takes directly from a song with no changes.
Regardless that the song was used in a minor way or tweaked to fit Beyoncé’s dance track, Kelis wasn’t pleased, saying the entire situation was a “trigger” point for her. “It’s beyond this song at this point,” she wrote in an Instagram caption. “There are bullies and secrets and gangsters in this industry that smile and get away with it until someone says enough is enough. So, I’m saying it today. I’m coming for what’s mine and I want reparations.”
Kelis also called out Williams, a former close friend who worked with her exclusively alongside Chad Hugo on her first two albums. Their relationship went bust after Kelis claimed that Williams and Hugo had “lied and tricked” her into a raw deal. Instead of splitting things “33/33/33,” Kelis told The Guardian in 2020, she was left with no rights to her early music, and ended up only making money from her first albums from touring.
She referred to the contentious relationship in her Instagram video, saying, “Publishing was stolen, people were swindled out of rights. It happens all the time, especially back then. So it’s not about me being mad about Beyoncé.”
“Pharrell knows better,” she added. “This is a direct hit at me [and] he does this stuff all the time. The reason I’m annoyed is because I know it was on purpose.”
Beyoncé Removes 'Milkshake' From 'Energy' After Kelis Called Her Out for 'Theft'
On Tuesday, Tidal appears to have removed an interpolation of Kelis’ song "Milkshake" that originally appeared at the end of "Energy."
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How is this deranged woman saying that her publishing was stolen when she didn't write or produce the record. All she should get is performance royalties. I'm sure almost of her record royalties went to pay all those big name producers on that album including The Neptunes.On the original version of “Energy,” near the song’s end, Beyoncé sang a variation of the “La-la, la-la, la” that Kelis made famous on “Milkshake” (as shown by the TikToker @jarredjermaine). In the updated version of “Energy” on streaming platforms, Beyoncé’s series of “las” is absent. Pitchfork has reached out to Beyoncé’s representative for comment and more information.
Despite being interpolated, Kelis was not credited as a writer of “Energy” because she is not officially a writer or producer of “Milkshake.” Her Neptunes collaborators, Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo, are officially the composers and lyricists of “Milkshake,” and, therefore, are co-writers of the original “Energy.” Beyoncé’s website no longer lists Hugo and Williams as “Energy” composers, and the “Milkshake” interpolation is no longer noted.
Beyoncé Removes Kelis Interpolation From “Energy” Amid Controversy Over Credits
The Renaissance song no longer includes an interpolation of “Milkshake” after Kelis claimed Beyoncé did not inform her that she’d be nodding to her musicpitchfork.com
Full credits later revealed the song in question was “Milkshake,” with Kelis’ former producers Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo credited on the track. Beyoncé’s website also noted the song was interpolated, which takes an existing sound and alters it, whereas sampling takes directly from a song with no changes.
Regardless that the song was used in a minor way or tweaked to fit Beyoncé’s dance track, Kelis wasn’t pleased, saying the entire situation was a “trigger” point for her. “It’s beyond this song at this point,” she wrote in an Instagram caption. “There are bullies and secrets and gangsters in this industry that smile and get away with it until someone says enough is enough. So, I’m saying it today. I’m coming for what’s mine and I want reparations.”
Kelis also called out Williams, a former close friend who worked with her exclusively alongside Chad Hugo on her first two albums. Their relationship went bust after Kelis claimed that Williams and Hugo had “lied and tricked” her into a raw deal. Instead of splitting things “33/33/33,” Kelis told The Guardian in 2020, she was left with no rights to her early music, and ended up only making money from her first albums from touring.
She referred to the contentious relationship in her Instagram video, saying, “Publishing was stolen, people were swindled out of rights. It happens all the time, especially back then. So it’s not about me being mad about Beyoncé.”
“Pharrell knows better,” she added. “This is a direct hit at me [and] he does this stuff all the time. The reason I’m annoyed is because I know it was on purpose.”
Beyoncé Removes 'Milkshake' From 'Energy' After Kelis Called Her Out for 'Theft'
On Tuesday, Tidal appears to have removed an interpolation of Kelis’ song "Milkshake" that originally appeared at the end of "Energy."
One thing I do know, if she thought her relationship with Chad and Pharrell was tense before, now that she has messed up the money, it's now on another level.
someone said earlier that she probably contributed some ideas they used during recording and they didn't give her a credit for it.
The beef aside. Isn't is crazy how in this digital age how they can modify published tracks on the fly. This is the 2nd track beyonce changed after it came out.
Are the tracks that were previously downloaded but still on the phone also modified?
Makes me want to go back to downloading music and keeping it offline.
Are the tracks that were previously downloaded but still on the phone also modified?
Makes me want to go back to downloading music and keeping it offline.
No, if you want the updated version you have to delete it off your phone and download the new version.
If the item was paid for, you won't be charged again. It's like updating an app, you have to delete the old version first.
