I remember watching most of this on tv. Takes me back. Some of this was when we started doing wrestling in high school and the wwe had to come out and say “don’t try this at home”. Lol ah the days. But for real. Wrestling might be fake but those injuries they take….completely real. Falling from those heights and gettin chair shots straight in the dome? Damn.

That 3 way Table Ladders and Chairs Match with Hardy Boys, Christian and Edge, and the Dudley Boyz was epic....i had a new found respects for the hardyz and the Christian and Edge after that...there are certain matches that you watch that you will remember for the most of their lives...also got a new found respect for Shane after watching him take bumps..
 
So I may b e off based with the term "mark" but I assumed that meant they were WWE diehards? That person you're talking to seems like a casual fan.....that for some reason thinks you like talking about WWE lol.

He's definitely a casual mark. More so a WWE casual mark. The term "mark" on the most basic level just means fan. All he likes to talk about is WWE. I bring up Impact, AEW, NWA, New Japan, etc he looks at me like a deer in the headlights. I don't mind talking about WWE but damn broaden your horizons.
 
I think they all 3 should go through the window lol. They'd never do it but I think Kofi still got a face run left in him......I think Big E and Woods should do solo heel runs.
See this is where a Bray Wyatt or Malakai Black type character would work. Where a loss to them in a way leaves the loser infected and/or turned into a darker version of themselves. Would've worked especially with them.
 
He's definitely a casual mark. More so a WWE casual mark. The term "mark" on the most basic level just means fan. All he likes to talk about is WWE. I bring up Impact, AEW, NWA, New Japan, etc he looks at me like a deer in the headlights. I don't mind talking about WWE but damn broaden your horizons.
Shit if I'm being honest aside from AEW I don't even know what channel them others even come on lol. I lost track of Impact about 2 stations ago lol.
 
Shit if I'm being honest aside from AEW I don't even know what channel them others even come on lol. I lost track of Impact about 2 stations ago lol.

AEW Dynamite and Rampage are the only wrestling shows I watch live. For Impact, NWA, New Japan, etc, I just download those shows through torrents and watch later. They usually have the shows up on the torrents the very next day.
 
The Rock identifies himself as Black/Samoan. Being Samoan is a culture not a color the same way being Brazilian is not a color. In those cultures you have people with black, white, and brown skin tones. I would definitely say the Rock is black.


No he doesn't. He defines himself as Samoan, stop the chicanery
 
So I may b e off based with the term "mark" but I assumed that meant they were WWE diehards? That person you're talking to seems like a casual fan.....that for some reason thinks you like talking about WWE lol.

A mark is anyone who watches wrestling in whatever capacity, occasionally or weekly, one fed or all of them. To wrestlers and promoters, you are considered a mark. It's not a bad thing.

The concept of marks and smarks (smart marks) is completely obsolete, tho.

Back in the early 2000s on wrestling forums, you would have people who still held on to the belief that wrestling is "real" as far as storylines and outcomes and shit.

And then there were people who more privy to the behind-the-curtain type shit about wrestling because they followed the dirt sheet sites and would be smart asses to the people who still thought it was real.

And to differentiate themselves from the people who still believed it was real, they would call themselves "smarks" and the people who were like "it's still real to me, dammit!" were just regular marks.

But now we live in the internet age where everybody knows everything because you can't help but come across all these news stories and documentaries about all the backstage workings and politics and shit. All that info is common knowledge now. Nobody even debates if the shit is real anymore, so everybody is just a mark now.
 


And biggie said he didn't write Kim's shit, and never dissed Pac

George Lucas had all 6 films planned the whole timeeeee

George R.R. Martin knows how his story will end

I look at the facts, not the obvious bullshit.
When anyone identifies themselves as biracial it's well known they don't identify as black. It's right there in writing.
 
And biggie said he didn't write Kim's shit, and never dissed Pac

George Lucas had all 6 films planned the whole timeeeee

George R.R. Martin knows how his story will end

I look at the facts, not the obvious bullshit.
When anyone identifies themselves as biracial it's well known they don't identify as black. It's right there in writing.

You're confusing culture and color. Samoan is not a color it's a culture. If you want to make a point that he doesn't identify with foundational black American culture then I agree with you but as far as skin color he is black. The same would apply to former Red Sox baseball player David Ortiz. His skin color is black but his culture is Dominican. Another example is Wyclef Jean. His skin color is black but his culture is Haitian.
 
You're confusing culture and color. Samoan is not a color it's a culture. If you want to make a point that he doesn't identify with foundational black American culture then I agree with you but as far as skin color he is black. The same would apply to former Red Sox baseball player David Ortiz. His skin color is black but his culture is Dominican. Another example is Wyclef Jean. His skin color is black but his culture is Haitian.


But the Rock is from the United States. Here when your biracial African + anything else = Black... He got off the ground with his 'black' gimmick when his faggoty Samoan gimmick failed. Now that it's all said and done he does and he got popular, nothing but flaunt his Samoan heritage both in ring and in real life (which in real life he's only ever presented himself Samoan)..
When he's asked, instead of saying I'm black he does the biracial schtick.
Everyone whose ever done that only does that because if they deny their blackness it's outrage.
 
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How will it derail the thread? It's a slow wrestling news day. Just say what you disagree with; I'll have a final response and that will be the end of it. I won't say anything further on the issue.

Alright man, let's do this then!

Black is a culture, with subcategories to it. Black/Samoan, Blackzilian, Black Africans, etc... But these Black/Samoan's are REAL quick to want nothing to do with their black side. The Rock carries himself like a Pacific Islander. Tattoos, roles he takes. Two+ major films have him doing a Haka. How many roles have been unapologetically black? Have you ever seen him with the black side of his family besides his father?

If he wants to embrace that side who the fcuk am I, that is his life. But don't cart him out when it is convenient on Black History month or when you want to make a counter argument to how WWE treats its black Superstars. Or magically he has a role coming out that is finally black and he's done decades leaning into racial ambiguity and wants to secure that black dollar.
 
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Alright man, let's do this then!

Black is a culture, with subcategories to it. Black/Samoan, Blackzilian, Black Africans, etc... But these Black/Samoan's are REAL quick to want nothing to do with their black side. The Rock carries himself like a Pacific Islander. Tattoos, roles he takes. Two+ major films have him doing a Haka. How many roles have been unapologetically black? Have you ever seen him with the black side of his family besides his father.

If he wants to embrace that side who the fcuk am I, that is his life. But don't cart him out when it is convenient on Black History month or when you want to make a counter argument to how WWE treats its black Superstars. Or magically he has a role coming out that is finally black and he's done decades leaning into racial ambiguity and wants to secure that black dollar.

Valid point and as promised my final response to this topic is I was speaking about his skin color rather than culture. You're talking about culture and that's a perfectly fine assessment. In the system of white supremacy there's no such thing as biracial, Samoan, Brazilian, Puerto Rican, etc. It's just white and non white and if you're non white they automatically label you black. Tiger Woods labeled himself as Cablinasian but when he got arrested the police wrote his color as black. In closing I recognize the Rock as a black champion just not a black American cultural champion.
 
Valid point and as promised my final response to this topic is I was speaking about his skin color rather than culture. You're talking about culture and that's a perfectly fine assessment. In the system of white supremacy there's no such thing as biracial, Samoan, Brazilian, Puerto Rican, etc. It's just white and non white and if you're non white they automatically label you black. Tiger Woods labeled himself as Cablinasian but when he got arrested the police wrote his color as black. In closing I recognize the Rock as a black champion just not a black American cultural champion.

All love homie! It wasn't so much derailing between you and I, but from others disagreeing and or agreeing with you and I. But I have said my piece and don't need to respond after that.
 
Alright man, let's do this then!

Black is a culture, with subcategories to it. Black/Samoan, Blackzilian, Black Africans, etc... But these Black/Samoan's are REAL quick to want nothing to do with their black side. The Rock carries himself like a Pacific Islander. Tattoos, roles he takes. Two+ major films have him doing a Haka. How many roles have been unapologetically black? Have you ever seen him with the black side of his family besides his father?

If he wants to embrace that side who the fcuk am I, that is his life. But don't cart him out when it is convenient on Black History month or when you want to make a counter argument to how WWE treats its black Superstars. Or magically he has a role coming out that is finally black and he's done decades leaning into racial ambiguity and wants to secure that black dollar.
His film roles not being "black" is kind of unfair though. He's in a different tax bracket as a actor. I think you can say the same thing about the big role Will, Denzel, etc. take. Will's "Oscar pushes" are more black roles but when he's doing big budget films like the Rock does? They are never unapologetically black. In part because those roles could've been given to anyone of any race .

Rock's samoan side seems to be important to him. But at the end of the day he's biracial and his pops was black. HE can't run way from his black side.....

I do get what you're saying because as a wrestler he most def. was more samoan than black but shit I kind of can't blame him because if you black you're doomed in WWE lol.
 
His film roles not being "black" is kind of unfair though. He's in a different tax bracket as a actor. I think you can say the same thing about the big role Will, Denzel, etc. take. Will's "Oscar pushes" are more black roles but when he's doing big budget films like the Rock does? They are never unapologetically black. In part because those roles could've been given to anyone of any race .

Rock's samoan side seems to be important to him. But at the end of the day he's biracial and his pops was black. HE can't run way from his black side.....

I do get what you're saying because as a wrestler he most def. was more samoan than black but shit I kind of can't blame him because if you black you're doomed in WWE lol.

Yeah, that's where I got lost. That's more of a testament to the racism in Hollywood.

If they want to have a black-acting character in a movie, they're gonna get someone who is identifiably black to emphasize that this character is a black person. They don't put the Rock in these roles because they have plenty of black/black actors they could use, and also because of discussions like these where people act like the Rock ain't black or "black enough."

When you're that big of an actor, they just put you in roles or make roles for you where you're basically just yourself, but with a different backstory. Or they might put him in a Samoan role if they wanna tap into that market since there aren't a lot of big Samoan actors.

But I think it only seems like he's more into his Samoan side because Samoans actually have a culture that is somewhat exclusive to Samoans. We as African-Americans don't have that because we sell our culture to the white man or it's stolen from us.

For instance, when I see a brown person with a tribal tattoo, I would think there was a good chance that person is Samoan. What is the equivalent of that for black people in America?

Our culture as African-Americans is basically Hip-hop, Fashion, Slavery and Civil Rights.
 
Yeah, that's where I got lost. That's more of a testament to the racism in Hollywood.

If they want to have a black-acting character in a movie, they're gonna get someone who is identifiably black to emphasize that this character is a black person. They don't put the Rock in these roles because they have plenty of black/black actors they could use, and also because of discussions like these where people act like the Rock ain't black or "black enough."

When you're that big of an actor, they just put you in roles or make roles for you where you're basically just yourself, but with a different backstory. Or they might put him in a Samoan role if they wanna tap into that market since there aren't a lot of big Samoan actors.

But I think it only seems like he's more into his Samoan side because Samoans actually have a culture that is somewhat exclusive to Samoans. We as African-Americans don't have that because we sell our culture to the white man or it's stolen from us.

For instance, when I see a brown person with a tribal tattoo, I would think there was a good chance that person is Samoan. What is the equivalent of that for black people in America?

Our culture as African-Americans is basically Hip-hop, Fashion, Slavery and Civil Rights.
Agree 100%. It’s a good point about Samoans in wrestling too….he’d be a fool not to acknowledge his families legendary history in the business.
 
His film roles not being "black" is kind of unfair though. He's in a different tax bracket as a actor. I think you can say the same thing about the big role Will, Denzel, etc. take. Will's "Oscar pushes" are more black roles but when he's doing big budget films like the Rock does? They are never unapologetically black. In part because those roles could've been given to anyone of any race .

Rock's samoan side seems to be important to him. But at the end of the day he's biracial and his pops was black. HE can't run way from his black side.....

I do get what you're saying because as a wrestler he most def. was more samoan than black but shit I kind of can't blame him because if you black you're doomed in WWE lol.
Yeah, that's where I got lost. That's more of a testament to the racism in Hollywood.

If they want to have a black-acting character in a movie, they're gonna get someone who is identifiably black to emphasize that this character is a black person. They don't put the Rock in these roles because they have plenty of black/black actors they could use, and also because of discussions like these where people act like the Rock ain't black or "black enough."

When you're that big of an actor, they just put you in roles or make roles for you where you're basically just yourself, but with a different backstory. Or they might put him in a Samoan role if they wanna tap into that market since there aren't a lot of big Samoan actors.

But I think it only seems like he's more into his Samoan side because Samoans actually have a culture that is somewhat exclusive to Samoans. We as African-Americans don't have that because we sell our culture to the white man or it's stolen from us.

For instance, when I see a brown person with a tribal tattoo, I would think there was a good chance that person is Samoan. What is the equivalent of that for black people in America?

Our culture as African-Americans is basically Hip-hop, Fashion, Slavery and Civil Rights.

Most roles the Rock is in he is usually SUPER racially ambiguous and his love interests are mostly white. Samoan and black mix that nose should be wide as fcuk! Nose job and now looks more European. Hair cut low or bald so you don't see the curls or kinks. Like I said; Be whoever he wants to be, my issue is when it is time for Black anything don't cart this dude out that he is black. When in reality he doesn't showcase ANYTHING black about him.

Sure super cute scene in a movie, but always showcases his Samoan ancestry:


Also that daughter STRAIGHT Samoan, so Black what?!?!


But that is only one time no way they'd double dip an not give love to his African ancestry in the same movie franchise:
NOPE!



So that was an action franchise. Family films are much more inclusive:
FCUK YO FEELINGS!!!



You know, I seem to remember the Rock being in a Tyler Perry movie those are usually a full black cast with a white villain so Rock MUST be black in that right?
This scene was SO insignificant that there isn't even a video clip of it and only a snippet of the scene on Wikipedia:
One year later, as Patricia exits a university building she is approached by a colleague. She tells Patricia that she knows someone who wants to meet her, a philanthropist, but Patricia refuses. The professor goes on to tell her that she can at least say hi because the university needs funds. The man (Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson) tells her that her books have helped in his grieving process (divorce) and invites her to have coffee. The movie ends with Patricia smiling at him.

DERAILED!!!
And white folks will culture vulture ANYTHING that they deem "cool":



And don't get me started on how Disney has done a straight Polynesian movie (Moana), Latinx movie (Encanto) and all we got was a bastardized Brothers Grimm story (Princess and the Frog) and Soul none of which has anything to do with Black or African and the characters could be replaced with ANY ethnicity!

Our culture is so RICH and DEEP, but so much of it gets sold off and then relabeled as white we tend to forget it was ours in the first place! Rock isn't a white genre of music! WE made it our bytch, made it so that NOBODY else could emulate it and when a bunch of butter-toothed Brits came along and showed a little love we gave it away. Notice anything similar with Rap? Being from Detroit MI I get to see the same thing happening first hand: Eminem, Proof, Jay Dee...enjoy it while we got it, cause white folks have already crowned Eminem as the King of Hip Hop.
 
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You panicking…it’s actually a good topic on a wrestler…..the Rock discussion is always a good one IMO. I think both sides bring up good points which is why I think it’s a good discussion.

Trust me I have no problem talking about it, I just don't want to take away from the purpose of the thread or get into a point of "arguing" over the ethnicity of a dude that doesn't give two shyts about the forum, thread or those in it.
 
Agree 100%. It’s a good point about Samoans in wrestling too….he’d be a fool not to acknowledge his families legendary history in the business.

What about The Rock character was Samoan or black? Any ethnicity could have played that character so acknowledging his families history does nothing for the character. He could have done the same thing as Rocky Miavia and Rocky Miavia would still suck
 
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