White farmers sue U.S. government over stimulus for black farmers...........

the farmers SHOULD complain and fight. But you guys snark over this as if the outcome would have different someone if we just not put biden in office or did whatever you guys think black people should do which is not vote

your boy @Supersav said

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you and @KingTaharqa cosign it. :rolleyes2:

but you guys have no plan beyond that nonsense. When REPEATDLY ask about the political strategy of getting candidates who can push an agenda you guys get silent or name call or deflect.

Since this topic is about the black farmers getting compensated for years of discriminatory practices....WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FARMERS SHOULD DO TO GET SATISFACTION IN THIS ISSUE??

what course of action should they take?? what party should they vote for that WILL get things done? What candidates should they push for during the upcoming midterms??

open question for @KingTaharqa , @xfactor @VAiz4hustlaz @Soul On Ice and anyone else laffing at this issue.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
Again I've said this over and over again. There is no party in this current economic system that will vote or care about the working class.
 
the farmers SHOULD complain and fight. But you guys snark over this as if the outcome would have different someone if we just not put biden in office or did whatever you guys think black people should do which is not vote

your boy @Supersav said

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you and @KingTaharqa cosign it. :rolleyes2:

but you guys have no plan beyond that nonsense. When REPEATDLY ask about the political strategy of getting candidates who can push an agenda you guys get silent or name call or deflect.

Since this topic is about the black farmers getting compensated for years of discriminatory practices....WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FARMERS SHOULD DO TO GET SATISFACTION IN THIS ISSUE??

what course of action should they take?? what party should they vote for that WILL get things done? What candidates should they push for during the upcoming midterms??

open question for @KingTaharqa , @xfactor @VAiz4hustlaz @Soul On Ice and anyone else laffing at this issue.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
I already have given multiple solutions. What do you want next? A full PowerPoint presentation? This is kind of crazy and futile to repeat the same shit because you and others are too low level to grasp it.
 
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Again I've said this over and over again. There is no party in this current economic system that will vote or care about the working class.
Then you bring nothing to the table of debate... until the revolution comes there's no point to you commenting in these types of topics.:hmm:
 
I already gave given multiple solutions. What do you want next? A full PowerPoint presentation? This is kind of crazy and futile to repeat the same shit because you and others are too low level to grasp it.
I missed those times...just mention one..
 
The Democratic leaders are saying that they are scared if they move this legislation today, that it will hurt their chances of keeping control of the Congress," said Howard.
The person you quoted from an article that share the link to is from one of the groups that are tied to that recent letter demanding action. Including groups who have no skin in the game
 
The person you quoted from an article that share the link to is from one of the groups that are tied to that recent letter demanding action. Including groups who have no skin in the game
If they were serious they would have brought it up to a vote by now even if it's performative.
 
IDK your rep but here are the other numbers.

•Nancy Pelosi (CA-12), Speaker of the U.S. House: (202) 225-7000, (202) 225-4965

•Steny Hoyer (MD-5), Majority Leader of U.S. House: (202) 225-7000, (202) 225-4131

•Jim Clyburn (SC-6), Majority Whip of the U.S. House: (202) 225-3315

Here are the Senators who are on board for this minimum act


 
If they were serious they would have brought it up to a vote by now even if it's performative.
If it were just performative you would still complain. case in point...the black farmers settlement..

Of the $10.4 billion in the American Rescue Plan that will support agriculture, approximately half would go to disadvantaged farmers, according to estimates from the Farm Bureau, an industry organization. About a quarter of disadvantaged farmers are Black. The money would provide debt relief as well as grants, training, education and other forms of assistance aimed at acquiring land.
Of the 3.4 million farmers in the United States today, only 45,000 are Black, according to the USDA, down from 1 million a century ago


Its important to read the fine print. This bill isn't for "black farmers" Its for disenfranchised farmers and some happen to be black. This is akin to the code words like minority and people of color.

William Darity, a professor of public policy at Duke University who has studied reparations extensively, says that a $5 billion allocation is a “pittance,” at most 2 percent of the lost wealth, and that it does not constitute reparations.
“The best estimates I have seen of the economic loss to Black farmers due to USDA policies and overall processes of land appropriation by Whites has been between $250 and $350 billion. This is approximately 10 percent of total Black wealth in the U.S., about $2.5 trillion,” he said. “The notion that this approaches a program of reparations is nonsense. Reparations for Black American descendants of slavery must be designed to eliminate the gulf in Black and White wealth.”


Also

This is not the first time the federal government has attempted to compensate Black farmers for decades of marginalization and systematic discrimination. Known as Pigford I and II, two class-action lawsuits against the USDA paid out $2.3 billion to Black farmers who alleged racial discrimination in the department’s allocation of farm loans and assistance beginning in 1983.
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The Pigford settlements, however, did not make Black farmers whole, according to McCurty.
“Only 4.8 percent of Pigford I settlement went to debt relief. The vast majority of Black farmers were left with unconscionable debt and no legal recourse to save their land,” McCurty said



So yes the title sounds good but it looks like more of the same bullshit to me


Oh and lets not compare it to this


31 billion to Native Americans

@Soul On Ice @geechiedan

the point is even when something happens that looks like it helps black people in someway you guys just switch your argument to it doesn't help ONLY black people OR the amount isn't large enough OR it doesn't compare to reparations or some other groups deal OR some other nitpicky issue...

So to say the dems could have done something even if it were PERFORMATIVE meaning just a show and nothing of actual substance...and you would give them somekind of half credit for it in some way is the most nakedly disingenuous response you've made on this type of topic so far...the fucked up part is your little buddies who :thumbsup: everything you post on these topics @VAiz4hustlaz @Soul On Ice @KingTaharqa @xfactor won't check you on that because theyre in on it too... complain just to complain.
 
Unfortunately, they monitor this board heavily. I posted some comments about college admission/affirmative action being a settlement for past injustices than unfairly disadvantaging a racial group than this came out.

Sometimes they will get upset about comments I post on here which is not intended for them. I will go to Twitter or Facebook to make comments (something I would never do) which would be dangerous due to the controversial subjects I discuss.
 
If it were just performative you would still complain. case in point...the black farmers settlement..



the point is even when something happens that looks like it helps black people in someway you guys just switch your argument to it doesn't help ONLY black people OR the amount isn't large enough OR it doesn't compare to reparations or some other groups deal OR some other nitpicky issue...

So to say the dems could have done something even if it were PERFORMATIVE meaning just a show and nothing of actual substance...and you would give them somekind of half credit for it in some way is the most nakedly disingenuous response you've made on this type of topic so far...the fucked up part is your little buddies who :thumbsup: everything you post on these topics @VAiz4hustlaz @Soul On Ice @KingTaharqa @xfactor won't check you on that because theyre in on it too... complain just to complain.
Nah. Just not to argue with some guy who's obviously D1.
I'm not even sure if you've ever had Black people's wishes in mind now that I think about.
You come off as a do boy for the donkeys
 
Nah. Just not to argue with some guy who's obviously D1.
I'm not even sure if you've ever had Black people's wishes in mind now that I think about.
You come off as a do boy for the donkeys
You're a keyboard activist who'd rather bitch and moan and think you did something for the cause :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
You literally been BEGGING me to to engage your clown ass on this porn board for the past few days tho
:smh: :lol:
Not begging anyone especially you homie...but all you got is insults and hop from one foot to the other complaints.. :rolleyes2: the bitch and moan crew
strikes again..

The open question is:

.WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FARMERS SHOULD DO TO GET SATISFACTION IN THIS ISSUE??

what course of action should they take??

what party should they vote for that WILL get things done?

What candidates should they push for during the upcoming midterms??

Since you guys have all the answers this should be easy...but so far all youve done is avoid the questions and name call... typical of the keyboard activist type tho :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So far your boy xfactor said that nothing can be for them until the fed reserve is abolished and the two party system is destroyed... lofty goals for sure but doesn't help the black farmers in the here and now does it???

VAiz4hustlaz and KingTaharqa are MIA

so whats YOUR answer....

(watch this mature response ya'll)
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:
 
Not begging anyone especially you homie...but all you got is insults and hop from one foot to the other complaints.. :rolleyes2: the bitch and moan crew
strikes again..

The open question is:

.WHAT DO YOU THINK THE FARMERS SHOULD DO TO GET SATISFACTION IN THIS ISSUE??

what course of action should they take??

what party should they vote for that WILL get things done?

What candidates should they push for during the upcoming midterms??

Since you guys have all the answers this should be easy...but so far all youve done is avoid the questions and name call... typical of the keyboard activist type tho :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So far your boy xfactor said that nothing can be for them until the fed reserve is abolished and the two party system is destroyed... lofty goals for sure but doesn't help the black farmers in the here and now does it???

VAiz4hustlaz and KingTaharqa are MIA

so whats YOUR answer....

(watch this mature response ya'll)
:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

KT left the board months ago.

But these are questions YOU should be addressing. You have a Dem president and Dem Congress, which is what you and the others pressed for in 2020. What should these farmers be doing in light of this?
 
KT left the board months ago.

But these are questions YOU should be addressing. You have a Dem president and Dem Congress, which is what you and the others pressed for in 2020. What should these farmers be doing in light of this?
you first... In fact I originally asked you.

so xfactor is advocating a fantasy
KingTaharqa is DQ
Soul On Ice would rather name call and throw digs like a middleschooler

whats your deal for the black farmers...again you guys have all the correct answers so this should be good...

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
 

Out of $9 Billion paid out, black farmers only got $15 Million? (Less than every other ethnic group)

but you got people like @LongLocs85 fully supportive of this because the Democratic Party was behind the distribution of funds :smh:
Here's the story for context


Nearly all of the billions of dollars in federal farm bailouts to offset the effects of the Covid-19 pandemic went to white farmers, newly revealed Department of Agriculture data show.

White farmers received nearly 97 percent of the $9.2 billion provided by October 2020 through USDA’s Coronavirus Food Assistance Program, or CFAP, according to data obtained by the Land Loss and Reparations Project through the Freedom of Information Act and shared with EWG. The bailout program, created last May by the Trump administration, was suspended last month while under review by the Biden administration.

USDA data shows that white farmers received, on average, four times more than the average Black farmer. Using data from USDA’s Farm Census, EWG calculated that the average white farmer received $3,398, whereas the average Black farmer received $422.

In total, white farmers received $6.7 billion in CFAP payments, and Black farmers received just $15 million. Latino farmers received $100 million, Native American farmers received $76 million and Asian American farmers received $17.6 million.

The disparity between white and Black farmers was even greater for the Market Facilitation Program, or MFP, created by the Trump administration to offset the impact of Trump’s failed trade war with China, which closed lucrative Chinese markets for many American farmers. Using data obtained through a separate FOIA, the Farm Bill Law Enterprise previously reported that 99 percent of MFP went to white farmers.

EWG calculated that white farmers received, on average, an MFP payment 10 times larger than the average Black farmer: $10,674 for white farmers, compared to $1,074 for Black farmers. White farmers received a total of about $21 billion, while Black farmers received a total of about $38 million. Latino farmers received a total of about $99 million, Native American farmers received about $52 million and Asian American farmers got about $17 million.

The data obtained by the Land Loss and Reparations Project covers the first round of CFAP payments only, made through October 2020. The data does not cover a second round of CFAP payments, made before the Biden administration froze payments, pending review.

The disparity in payments between white and Black farmers reflects both the design of the CFAP program – which linked payment to production – and the long history of discrimination by USDA, which systematically denied or delayed subsidies, loans and other payments to Black farmers. In 1920, Black farmers accounted for one-fifth of all U.S. farmers, but they currently make up just 1.7 percent of all farmers and have seen the size of their farms shrink.

Some large farmers received more than $1 million in CFAP funding and one farm, Titan Swine, of Ireton, Iowa, received more than $2.5 million. But most farmers have so far received less than $5,000.

Like CFAP payments, MFP payments were tied to production, so the largest and most successful producers collected the vast majority of the funding. Smith & Sons, based in Bishop, Tex., got total MFP payments of more than $3.2 million.
 
Out of $9 Billion paid out, black farmers only got $15 Million? (Less than every other ethnic group)

but you got people like @LongLocs85 fully supportive of this because the Democratic Party was behind the distribution of funds :smh:
:roflmao: people's assumptions are comical, but for the record, I sympathize with the plight of the Black Farmer and fully agree with John Boyd Jr's sentiment about sending money to Ukraine... He and other Black farmers deserve what's owed to them, but let's get to the facts of why that didn't happened...

And before we do that tho, lets not overlook the Twitter video you posted literally started out by him saying to no avail he's been lobbying Lindsey Graham for years about the plight of the Black Farmer... Lindsey Graham represents what party?

Relevant bullet points from the article posted above
  • $9.2 billion provided by October 2020 through USDA’s Coronavirus Food Assistance Program, or CFAP
  • The bailout program, created last May by the Trump administration, was suspended last month while under review by the Biden administration.
  • The disparity between white and Black farmers was even greater for the Market Facilitation Program, or MFP, created by the Trump administration to offset the impact of Trump’s failed trade war with China, which closed lucrative Chinese markets for many American farmers. Using data obtained through a separate FOIA, the Farm Bill Law Enterprise previously reported that 99 percent of MFP went to white farmers.
  • The data obtained by the Land Loss and Reparations Project covers the first round of CFAP payments only, made through October 2020
 
Still waiting for the party that is going anything for black people let alone black farmers
and what party do you think will do that?? I keep asking this question and keep getting silence from you....whats your alternative in the here and now to the dems and republicans?

you can have your homeboys @xfactor and @VAiz4hustlaz answer for you as a life line if you need to
 
and what party do you think will do that?? I keep asking this question and keep getting silence from you....whats your alternative in the here and now to the dems and republicans?

you can have your homeboys @xfactor and @VAiz4hustlaz answer for you as a life line if you need to
I've answered that question more than once and in this thread. So if neither one of these parties will do anything for black people why do you continue to vote for either of them? You need an alternative? And in lieu of any alternative you will keep giving your vote away and hope they eventually come around..or like I suspect you don't give a damn about black issues because they don't affect you and yours. You're comfortable with this system because you think your above the rest
 
I've answered that question more than once and in this thread. So if neither one of these parties will do anything for black people why do you continue to vote for either of them? You need an alternative? And in lieu of any alternative you will keep giving your vote away and hope they eventually come around..or like I suspect you don't give a damn about black issues because they don't affect you and yours. You're comfortable with this system because you think your above the rest
this is nonsense and you know it. but then you have no answer for how to replace capitalism either other some vague idea of a bloody revolution thats suppose to come at some point. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
 




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Miller explains lawsuit
In an interview with The Dallas Morning News, Miller says he has “no doubt in his mind” that the debt relief is unconstitutional.

“This is discrimination [based] on the color of your skin. Our constitution forbids that,” he says. “You can’t end discrimination by creating more discrimination.”

Miller sees three problems with what he describes as a “goofy program.” To qualify, “you have to have dark skin,” he says. In his view, it also disregards the actual economic situation of recipients, some of whom might not need the funding, and there were already two rounds of pandemic relief under President Donald Trump.

In fact, during Trump’s last year in office in 2020, agricultural subsidies and direct payments to farmers reached an all-time high of $46 billion, about quadruple the amount of pre-Trump years. Current U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack later told The Washington Post that 99% of the funding went to white farmers. Many of them were large producers who did not need it, reported NPR.

Data from a farm subsidy database also shows that between 1995 and 2020, Miller himself received $176,128 in agricultural subsidies for his own crops that will never have to be paid back.

Miller says he filed the class-action lawsuit as a private citizen rather than as Texas Agriculture Commissioner in order to keep from wasting taxpayer dollars, and so that other “disenfranchised farmers” could join the suit. He maintains that because he filed as a private citizen, the lawsuit doesn’t interfere with his public role, part of which is to oversee topics relating to the economic development of the state. Notably, Texas has the most Black farmers of any state, according to the latest available census data.

Miller acknowledges discrimination by the USDA in the past, but points out that Black farmers have already sued the USDA and won in the Pigford v. Glickman cases that were settled in 1999 and in which about $1 billion was paid to 22,721 Black farmers.

Miller says if farmers of color experience discrimination today, they should sue, and he hopes they would win. But as far as redress for historical disenfranchisement — like the fact that Black American farmers have lost over 12 million acres of farmland in the last century — Miller doesn’t believe government programs are the way to resolve it.

“There’s still a little bit of racism, but I don’t think we’re a racist country,” he says.

Miller’s legal team is America First Legal, led by former Trump advisors and Cabinet members Stephen Miller, Mark Meadows, and Matthew Whitaker. The newly founded 501(c)(3) public charity is “turning the legal tables on the radical activist left” by defending against executive overreach and protecting free speech, its website says.

Miller expressed confidence in the unconstitutionality of the program given that the Department of Justice did not appeal the judge’s order to block the program last summer.

In a statement provided to The Dallas Morning News, a USDA spokesperson said the department will continue “to work closely with the Department of Justice to vigorously defend the ARPA Section 1005 program [debt payments] in federal district courts.”

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Sid Miller (Republican Party) is the Texas Commissioner of Agriculture. He assumed office in 2015. His current term ends on January 4, 2023.

Miller (Republican Party) is running for re-election for Texas Commissioner of Agriculture. He is on the ballot in the general election on November 8, 2022. He advanced from the Republican primary on March 1, 2022.

Miller is a former member of the Texas House of Representatives, representing District 59 from 2001 to 2013.

He served on the Stephenville Independent School District board of trustees from 1999 to 2000
 
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this is nonsense and you know it. but then you have no answer for how to replace capitalism either other some vague idea of a bloody revolution thats suppose to come at some point. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
Just because you can't fathom the idea of something and or you are too afraid to actually fight for something doesn't mean it can't happen. https://blackallianceforpeace.com/#home-above-fold

Is a good organization for you to start with. Grab ya balls be a man
 
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