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I come in here once a week to watch the simps retort with nothing less than ratchet female talking points.

I enjoy it. You'll always be that friend who relies on getting sloppy 4ths. Waiting years for her to be ran through so you can have her way outside her prime.

It must hurt

Nah just let em be man :yes: . People going through life thinking they automatically deserve better without putting in the work to do better but pointing that out is so offensive.
 
I come in here once a week to watch the simps retort with nothing less than ratchet female talking points.

I enjoy it. You'll always be that friend who relies on getting sloppy 4ths. Waiting years for her to be ran through so you can have her way outside her prime.

It must hurt

Dam..brah....you gone make em cry... wit this real shit.. brah
 
Mad??? Not even..I'd only be mad if I was well into my 50's like yourself and others, having to take pointers from and follow behind YouTube personalities due to being game goofy and not being able to navigate amongst those of da opposite sex. :dunno:
Naw, just sound like you mad.
Female type mad, incoherent , like when you've already proved their point invalid but they keep arguing anyways...
That kind of mad.
 
Ad hominem attack. You sure showed me.

Sad you making it fun and games when there are women we all know who are sick and unhealthy there are stats that backs it up. These are our women, our counterparts. What you try to pin as an obsession I have is dishonest to the core :smh: . Our women being unhealthy has consequences. Hell black people overall are suffering. I am suggesting better options, better education, better awarenes and all you go for me is I want one to lay up with? For them personally it shrinks the dating pool for black men who chose not to be with them. Yet they are still demanding men chose them while refusing to compete with a fit woman for the man they really want. We can continue to not give a fuck about each and watch our community slowly die. We can as a people pretend to remain in la la land when we see and live the results bad choices or we can get down and solve our issues. Any more jokes............Sorry my being serious is so damn offensive to you.
FOH. You are being extra Tresvant. I was joking with you. Some dudes would've been like, "Cool bring on the big girl!" The only reason you took it as an ad hominem attack is because you are obviously repulsed by big women. Therefore, you can't play both sides of the fence and be honest. You can't be revulsed and insulted at the very notion of yourself being with a big woman but then be genuinely concerned about them out of love. That's being disingenuous. You just don't like em because they're big and that's not what appeals to you. I responded to what you said the way I did because I'm getting tired of going back and forth with you on this when I made my points already. We see things differently and that's ok.

But I will address what you just typed to me.

You are making the assumption that plus-sized women are living unhappy lives that would be fulfilled if they were not heavy. Not necessarily so.

Health is about a lot more than the size of one's body. It's also about the condition of one's mind and emotional state. What you DON'T know is why some big women are the size that they are. If you really cared about them, you would be paying attention to that detail. Some people gain because of medication. Some as a result of anxiety, depression or trauma. Did you know that there are a lot of people who are overweight because it was a reaction against them having been raped or sexually molested? That because of that trauma, some of that group inwardly hope that gaining lots of weight will make them less appealing to potential rapists or molestors? That it makes them feel protected? If they lost that weight, yes, depending on how they lose it, they would probably be healthier physically. But emotionally and mentally they'd still be quite unwell.

This is more complicated than losing weight to get dating partners. That rabbit hole is way deeper than what you've been talking about. You need to be slower in passing judgment. If you really give a shit about Black people like you purport, then be invested in healing the whole person, not just the skin they are in. Dating is secondary to all that. But you are coming off as inauthentic in your caring, because in all those messages you never addressed root causes or the therapy needed to overcome those obstacles just to be free of past trauma.

Your other assumption seems to be that large women are not getting the men that they really want. The reality that you're unwilling to accept is that many big women ARE dating and marrying. If they are finding people that they love who love them back, then that's enough. You don't seem to be able to fathom that there are men who like women like them and seek them out. That those men are not settling. They are with who they want to be with. Some are even big guys who like big women. Some are regular sized guys who like big women.It's the way of the world.

YOU do not validate big women and neither do I. I think it is childish and insecure to keep harping on big women the way you're doing. Their size seems to bother you. Then don't look! No one is making you. You don't have to date or marry them. Neither do I. Someone else will.
 
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I come in here once a week to watch the simps retort with nothing less than ratchet female talking points.

I enjoy it. You'll always be that friend who relies on getting sloppy 4ths. Waiting years for her to be ran through so you can have her way outside her prime.

It must hurt
You come in once a week to throw subliminals. Address the specific people directly whom you're talking about and the specific talking points you disagree with. Right now you're throwing rocks and hiding your hand.
 
FOH. You are being extra Tresvant. I was joking with you. Some dudes would've been like, "Cool bring on the big girl!" The only reason you took it as an ad hominem attack is because you are obviously repulsed by big women. Therefore, you can't play both sides of the fence and be honest. You can't be revulsed and insulted at the very notion of yourself being with a big woman but then be genuinely concerned about them out of love. That's being disingenuous. You just don't like em because they're big and that's not what appeals to you. I responded to what you said the way I did because I'm getting tired of going back and forth with you on this when I made my points already. We see things differently and that's ok.

But I will address what you just typed to me.

You are making the assumption that plus-sized women are living unhappy lives that would be fulfilled if they were not heavy. Not necessarily so.

Health is about a lot more than the size of one's body. It's also about the condition of one's mind and emotional state. What you DON'T know is why some big women are the size that they are. If you really cared about them, you would be paying attention to that detail. Some people gain because of medication. Some as a result of anxiety, depression or trauma. Did you know that there are a lot of people who are overweight because it was a reaction against them having been raped or sexually molested? That because of that trauma, some of that group inwardly hope that gaining lots of weight will make them less appealing to potential rapists or molestors? That it makes them feel protected? If they lost that weight, yes, depending on how they lose it, they would probably be healthier physically. But emotionally and mentally they'd still be quite unwell.

This is more complicated than losing weight to get dating partners. That rabbit hole is way deeper than what you've been talking about. You need to be slower in passing judgment. If you really give a shit about Black people like you purport, then be invested in healing the whole person, not just the skin they are in. Dating is secondary to all that. But you are coming off as inauthentic in your caring, because in all those messages you never addressed root causes or the therapy needed to overcome those obstacles just to be free of past trauma.

Your other assumption seems to be that large women are not getting the men that they really want. The reality that you're unwilling to accept is that many big women ARE dating and marrying. If they are finding people that they love who love them back, then that's enough. You don't seem to be able to fathom that there are men who like women like them and seek them out. That those men are not settling. They are with who they want to be with. Some are even big guys who like big women. Some are regular sized guys who like big women.It's the way of the world.

YOU do not validate big women and neither do I. I think it is childish and insecure to keep harping on big women the way you're doing. Their size seems to bother you. Then don't look! No one is making you. You don't have to date or marry them. Neither do I. Someone else will.

You asked for proof of enabling and coddling and I mention The Body Positive Movement and you could not accept it.



Lizzo made an attempt to do better and the Body Positive Movement shamed her.

Oh well I better not see you in any threads concerning the high rate of diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease in our community particular black females.

The reason why you can't identify enabling and coddling is because you are guilty of it.
 
You asked for proof of enabling and coddling and I mention The Body Positive Movement and you could not accept it.



Lizzo made an attempt to do better and the Body Positive Movement shamed her.

Oh well I better not see you in any threads concerning the high rate of diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease in our community particular black females.

The reason why you can't identify enabling and coddling is because you are guilty of it.

This world and the people in it ain't shit.
 
You asked for proof of enabling and coddling and I mention The Body Positive Movement and you could not accept it.



Lizzo made an attempt to do better and the Body Positive Movement shamed her.

Oh well I better not see you in any threads concerning the high rate of diabetes, high blood pressure, and heart disease in our community particular black females.

The reason why you can't identify enabling and coddling is because you are guilty of it.

Actually, I didn't ask you for proof of coddling and I never used the term enabling.

If Lizzo tried to lose weight and people shamed her for doing it, then shame on them. As I said before, let people live. That doesn't just go for letting people continue being fat if it's their get down. I don't judge that. Might it be unhealthy? Of course! But folks have to make that decision to lose or not to lose themselves.

"Live and let live to me" to me also goes for people who decide they want to lose weight. Let them do them. Whoever criticized her for wanting to lose doesn't sound happy with self.

I would make the argument that perhaps because she seemed to learn to embrace and love herself while she was a heavy person, it puts her in a better position emotionally to lose weight and keep it off.

If someone eats excessively to bury trauma, or in other words as sort of a drug, if that trauma is not dealt with, there is a good possibility of regaining all the fat that they lost.

To clarify, I'm all for self-improvement in whatever form that is- including losing excess weight. That includes emotional weight as well as physical weight.

One's externals shouldn't be the primary determinant of their self worth. There's a lot of skinny assholes, and skinny bat shit crazy people out here.
 
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This world and the people in it ain't shit.

I don't want to bring back trauma to you and all D9 members but modern society resembles this quote from an unknown.

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Modern society is in bad shape.
 
Actually, I didn't ask you for proof of coddling and I never used the term enabling.

If Lizzo tried to lose weight and people shamed her for doing it, then shame on them. As I said before, let people live. That doesn't just go for letting people continue being fat if it's their get down. It also goes for people who decide they want to lose weight. Let them do them.

I would make the argument that perhaps because she seemed to learn to embrace and love herself while she was a heavy person, it puts her in a better position emotionally to lose weight and keep it off.

If someone eats excessively to bury trauma, or in other words as sort of a drug, if that trauma is not dealt with, there is a good possibility of regaining all the fat that they lost.

To clarify, I'm all for self-improvement in whatever form that is- including losing excess weight. That includes emotional weight as well as physical weight.

One's externals shouldn't be the primary determinant of their self worth. There's a lot of skinny assholes, and skinny bat shit crazy people out here.

Okay I will humbly accept you did not ask for proof. I provided it in an attempt to because you said you did not notice it. Fair enough.

See I took accountability. I did not get emotional and result to insults like you did in which should have been an insult free discussion:smh:

My other points still stand:

Unhealthy women in our community is bad for us overall. We can do better but making no attempts save some is just not working. This saddens me personally:(. I feel empathy because the american black women(ABA) don't get best healthcare to begin with and are the most unhealthy of all women. This is not a good thing for us as a people because if our women are sick we are all in the same boat.

Left over women in our community is bad for us overall. This culture of not encouraging for the best outcomes just does not help us thrive and compete with other communities. There are things to improve outcomes but there is unseen forces at hand to keep the populace in a stupor. We should always encourage.
 
Okay I will humbly accept you did not ask for proof. I provided it in an attempt to because you said you did not notice it. Fair enough.

See I took accountability. I did not get emotional and result to insults like you did in which should have been an insult free discussion:smh:

My other points still stand:

Unhealthy women in our community is bad for us overall. We can do better but making no attempts save some is just not working. This saddens me personally:(. I feel empathy because the american black women(ABA) don't get best healthcare to begin with and are the most unhealthy of all women. This is not a good thing for us as a people because if our women are sick we are all in the same boat.

Left over women in our community is bad for us overall. This culture of not encouraging for the best outcomes just does not help us thrive and compete with other communities. There are things to improve outcomes but there is unseen forces at hand to keep the populace in a stupor. We should always encourage.
I really don't understand how anyone could argue against what you are saying. Unless they are arguing just to argue.
 
Okay I will humbly accept you did not ask for proof. I provided it in an attempt to because you said you did not notice it. Fair enough.

See I took accountability. I did not get emotional and result to insults like you did in which should have been an insult free discussion:smh:

My other points still stand:

Unhealthy women in our community is bad for us overall. We can do better but making no attempts save some is just not working. This saddens me personally:(. I feel empathy because the american black women(ABA) don't get best healthcare to begin with and are the most unhealthy of all women. This is not a good thing for us as a people because if our women are sick we are all in the same boat.

Left over women in our community is bad for us overall. This culture of not encouraging for the best outcomes just does not help us thrive and compete with other communities. There are things to improve outcomes but there is unseen forces at hand to keep the populace in a stupor. We should always encourage.

Nicely dropped on your other points, Fam. :cheers:
 
I really don't understand how anyone could argue against what you are saying. Unless they are arguing just to argue.

IKR

I am like What In The Entire Fuck:confused:

I don't have the need to be right because stats and results sadly back up what I am trying to convey on how it will affect us all. If we sick and not having families what kind of future do we have?
 
Okay I will humbly accept you did not ask for proof. I provided it in an attempt to because you said you did not notice it. Fair enough.

See I took accountability. I did not get emotional and result to insults like you did in which should have been an insult free discussion:smh:

My other points still stand:

Unhealthy women in our community is bad for us overall. We can do better but making no attempts save some is just not working. This saddens me personally:(. I feel empathy because the american black women(ABA) don't get best healthcare to begin with and are the most unhealthy of all women. This is not a good thing for us as a people because if our women are sick we are all in the same boat.

Left over women in our community is bad for us overall. This culture of not encouraging for the best outcomes just does not help us thrive and compete with other communities. There are things to improve outcomes but there is unseen forces at hand to keep the populace in a stupor. We should always encourage.
I just watched that video. Thank you. I appreciate your sharing it.

There was not one single thing that dude said that I disagreed with. In fact, he said pretty much exactly the same things I said. He said not to fitness shame, true. I'm 100% on board with that. But he also said not to fat shame and let people be who they want to be if they're happy where they're at, regardless of size. The end message? Don't shame muhfuckas.

So if that was intended to somehow to ether my viewpoint, you didn't achieve that.

We are in agreement essentially in that better health is a worthy goal. I too want to see us all live longer. I would say that applies across the board. Hell, I put on some lbs during the pandemic that I'm pretty far along in getting rid of. Your and my only point of disagreement might be how much focus you put on the women losing vs me seeing it as a problem across the board, including children.

You used the word "encouragement". I'm absolutely on board with encouraging one another to be healthy, not for dateability but for general health. On dateability, big women with a great personality and a decent face and a little confidence, they'll get men, as I keep reiterating. So then, weight loss and good health are issues separate from that. People gotta lose for themselves first.
 
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I did not get emotional and result to insults like you did in which should have been an insult free discussion:smh:
I joked with you. You're taking it too hard. I'm not attracted to hairy chicks. But if you thought I was too hard on em and joked, "You're obsessed clearly cause you can't stop talking about hairy chicks, go on and get you a hairy chick to lay up with." the image of that doesn't make me jump for joy, but I would have chuckled and thought that was some funny shit. Sorry that you took it as more than that.
 
I just watched that video. Thank you. I appreciate your sharing it.

There was not one single thing that dude said that I disagreed with. In fact, he said pretty much exactly the same things I said. He said not to fitness shame, true. I'm 100% on board with that. But he also said not to fat shame and let people be who they want to be if they're happy where they're at, regardless of size. The end message? Don't shame muhfuckas.

So if that was intended to someone to ether my viewpoint, you didn't achieve that.

We are in agreement essentially in that better health is a worthy goal. I too want to see us all live longer. I would say that applies across the board. Hell, I put on some lbs during the pandemic that I'm pretty far along in getting rid of. Your and my only point of disagreement might be how much focus you put on the women losing vs me seeing it as a problem across the board, including children.

You used the word "encouragement". I'm absolutely on board with encouraging one another to be healthy, not for dateability but for general health. On dateability, big women with a great personality and a decent face and a little confidence, they'll get men, as I keep reiterating. So then, weight loss and good health are issues separate from that. People gotta lose for themselves first.

:cool:

See it's okay to debate because the end goal is to come to what is best practices.

I am with you on how the individual human mind works and because of this we are all over the place. Whatever someone like or prefers I am nobody to get in their way. I agree just because people are not their best self does not make them a bad person. Lawd knows we all need help and we should not shame and insult but we should not hold back tough love and constructive criticism either.

Also with you making your own admission, just like you I struggle in some areas myself in life and I am trying to do better. I am in better condition then some as far as living. As I got older I am realizing now how what decisions I made, not taking sage advice, and being hard headed impacts me right now. I made excuses like most americans do. So I appreciate your testimony.
 
I joked with you. You're taking it too hard. I'm not attracted to hairy chicks. But if you thought I was too hard on em and joked, "You're obsessed clearly cause you can't stop talking about hairy chicks, go on and get you a hairy chick to lay up with." the image of that doesn't make me jump for joy, but I would have chuckled and thought that was some funny shit. Sorry that you took it as more than that.
Hey man don't let nobody shame you about liking hairy ass women.
You like what you like. :roflmao: :roflmao:
 
I joked with you. You're taking it too hard. I'm not attracted to hairy chicks. But if you thought I was too hard on em and joked, "You're obsessed clearly cause you can't stop talking about hairy chicks, go on and get you a hairy chick to lay up with." the image of that doesn't make me jump for joy, but I would have chuckled and thought that was some funny shit. Sorry that you took it as more than that.

As an individual and how individuals operate no big deal.

It just looked at it a sort of way when I asked about our community as a whole and your comments came across as dodgy.
 
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