Houston super lawyer Tony Buzbee sues Deshaun Watson
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its laughable how those analysts keep saying she sounded believable like they’ve never dealt with women before..lmaooo
Yes I believe he acted inappropriately and I believe the ones that said they ended the sessions immediately, I believe the ones who said he acted inappropriately and they still massaged him a second, third and one even said a fourth time, I believe almost everything the women detailed happened EXCEPT the forced oral sex because to me that incident is criminal and if it is true should’ve been the main case being talked about. They are focusing on the cases saying he asked me, kept trying to get me to cases
I understand...
but you can't be trying to keep it SECRET but dealing with ALL THESE SOCIAL MEDIA WOMEN??!!
see that's why its difficult for me to defend FULLY or stand up for him
there is a level of just DUMB here that make it difficult
Its celebrity Standard opertaing procedure!
Deshaun has ISSUES.
I am not defending him but I am not believing these trifling hoes either.
to be fair I can understand a victim being scared eeven today
cause folk act like THIS never happened with a certain Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback...
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"Ben asked us to go to his 'VIP' area (back of Capital). We all went with him. He said there were shots for us, numerous shots were on the bar, and he told us to take them. His bodyguard came and took my arm and said come with me, he escorted me into a side door/hallway, and sat me on a stool. He left and Ben came back with his penis out of his pants. I told him it wasn't OK, no, we don't need to do this and I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything.
cause folk act like THIS never happened with a certain Pittsburgh Steeler quarterback...
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"Ben asked us to go to his 'VIP' area (back of Capital). We all went with him. He said there were shots for us, numerous shots were on the bar, and he told us to take them. His bodyguard came and took my arm and said come with me, he escorted me into a side door/hallway, and sat me on a stool. He left and Ben came back with his penis out of his pants. I told him it wasn't OK, no, we don't need to do this and I proceeded to get up and try to leave. I went to the first door I saw, which happened to be a bathroom. He followed me into the bathroom and shut the door behind him. I still said no, this is not OK, and he then had sex with me. He said it was OK. He then left without saying anything.
Collier heard arguments about 12 cases, nine of which were moot since the women agreed to have their names released. Solis' case, the first to be filed, landed in her court, which means it is customary that any consolidation of cases would also move to her courtroom.
Hardin and Buzbee also agreed on a consolidation agreement Friday. All 22 women's cases will proceed in Collier's court before trial, but would move back to their original courts for a trial.
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Interesting to see if the two women who admitted to sex with Watson were the ones who are being forced to release or are part of the group of 9 that are voluntarily releasing.
Hardin and Buzbee also agreed on a consolidation agreement Friday. All 22 women's cases will proceed in Collier's court before trial, but would move back to their original courts for a trial.
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Interesting to see if the two women who admitted to sex with Watson were the ones who are being forced to release or are part of the group of 9 that are voluntarily releasing.
This right here.
If this isn't really about money, why not drop the civil cases and have a press conference calling for a criminal investigation/announce that you would be willing cooperate. The argument previously was they didn't want to risk losing their privacy. That is moot for 12 of them now. The same style of press conference as was held a few days ago could be used to do it. If nobody finds reason to prosecute Watson criminally, go back to the civil court and at least now you have some credibility.
if yo got a minute listen to the podcast I posted with Bomani and Foxworth
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and hear THEIR take.
Cause I really want to hear some FRESH viewpoints and you see to have been really fair in your analysis on all this.
if yo got a minute listen to the podcast I posted with Bomani and Foxworth
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and hear THEIR take.
Cause I really want to hear some FRESH viewpoints and you see to have been really fair in your analysis on all this.
I will check it out.
Bomani is known to side against accused men in all these circumstance, not saying it’s right or wrong, just his getdownif yo got a minute listen to the podcast I posted with Bomani and Foxworth
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and hear THEIR take.
Cause I really want to hear some FRESH viewpoints and you see to have been really fair in your analysis on all this.
not to spread his business and bring up old sh*t
but he had been accused before while at ESPN so I would think he would be sympathetic to that.
So y'all dudes believe all these chicks are lying and they need 20+ women to set him up
I know there's some bandwagon ish going on with the lawsuits but this nigga is both dumb and creepy. Contacting all those masseuses over your verified IG????? You got all that money....you need to have a handler to do all that for you so they can take the fall
Yes, he is a “male feminist”.
if yo got a minute listen to the podcast I posted with Bomani and Foxworth
Google Podcasts is no longer available
and hear THEIR take.
Cause I really want to hear some FRESH viewpoints and you see to have been really fair in your analysis on all this.
Had a quick workout and listened to it. Some was good, some parts suspect.
They kept pointing to the number of lawsuits instead of talking about the actual allegations. How many lawsuits did Sydney Powell et al. file alleging election fraud? Nobody pointed to the number as persuasive then...
The court of public opinion is very different from an actual criminal investigation or civil trial which is why I said from the beginning, the last thing they want are the police involved or an actual trial. The main reason Buzbee kept pump faking about the police and then ultimately said they were corrupt.
Bomani's point about finding masseuses on instagram is what all of us have been saying but he left out the other important part: what kind of masseuse is selling services on instagram?
Of the 22, how many said that they had some sort of non-consensual sexual interaction with him?
It will be interesting to see of the 22 accusers, how many admit to consensual sex with him before/after the incidents in the complaints.
The others said he made them feel uncomfortable etc. but stopped when they said no.
I read the complaint about the oral sex and they were very careful to say "coerced" not forced, threatened etc. Buzbee has done a good of conflating everything. I have a hard time believing that the police in Houston didn't ask some of them straight up "did he force you or ask you" in the 3 + weeks since this all went public.
Think back to those election fraud lawsuits and compare what Ghouliani et al. were saying outside the courtroom versus in it:
In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks.
But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted.
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Had a quick workout and listened to it. Some was good, some parts suspect.
They kept pointing to the number of lawsuits instead of talking about the actual allegations. How many lawsuits did Sydney Powell et al. file alleging election fraud? Nobody pointed to the number as persuasive then...
The court of public opinion is very different from an actual criminal investigation or civil trial which is why I said from the beginning, the last thing they want are the police involved or an actual trial. The main reason Buzbee kept pump faking about the police and then ultimately said they were corrupt.
Bomani's point about finding masseuses on instagram is what all of us have been saying but he left out the other important part: what kind of masseuse is selling services on instagram?
Of the 22, how many said that they had some sort of non-consensual sexual interaction with him?
It will be interesting to see of the 22 accusers, how many admit to consensual sex with him before/after the incidents in the complaints.
The others said he made them feel uncomfortable etc. but stopped when they said no.
I read the complaint about the oral sex and they were very careful to say "coerced" not forced, threatened etc. Buzbee has done a good of conflating everything. I have a hard time believing that the police in Houston didn't ask some of them straight up "did he force you or ask you" in the 3 + weeks since this all went public.
Think back to those election fraud lawsuits and compare what Ghouliani et al. were saying outside the courtroom versus in it:
In a recent Pennsylvania federal case, Giuliani alleged “widespread, nationwide voter fraud” in his opening remarks.
But under questioning from the judge, he retreated. “This is not a fraud case,” Giuliani later admitted.
well f*cking done bro
Deshaun Watson attorney defends Texans QB against allegations, says 'some consensual encounters' occurred
'We don't know what happened for sure,' Rusty Hardin added
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By Cody Benjamin
Hours after two judges ruled that at least nine women accusing Texans star Deshaun Watson of sexual misconduct must publicly identify themselves to continue civil lawsuits against the quarterback, Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, defended his client in a Friday press conference. In between explanations about Watson's use of Instagram to hire private massage therapists, more than a dozen of which have alleged assault or misconduct by the quarterback, Hardin also said "we don't know what happened for sure" and "some consensual encounters" occurred between Watson and accusing masseuses.
"I am not about to accuse 22 women of ill motive or lying," Hardin told reporters. "All I know is we're supposed to start out believing Deshaun did not do it ... That presumption on social media is pretty much gone ... (and) we do not believe these allegations."
Hardin called upon the media to dissect the testimony of the accusing women, who have combined to file 22 different lawsuits against Watson. Thirteen of the women have now been ordered to reveal their identity by Wednesday, and two -- Ashley Solis and Lauren Baxley -- came forward this week to publicly accuse Watson.
"I trust and hope once you find out who these people are," Hardin said, "you will do the type investigation of them as you do of us."
Hardin also defended Watson's use of social media, specifically Instagram, to recruit masseuses for private therapy sessions.
"(He's) getting two to three massages a week. The math I do on that is anywhere between 120 to 140 to 150 massages a year," Hardin said. "In the year 2020, all of a sudden spas shut down. Nobody was getting massages unless they came up with an ad hoc way to do it. The massage world during the pandemic changed ... Millennials live on Instagram. They do business on it. Deshaun lives on Instagram. He does business transactions on Instagram."
Hardin admitted, however, that "we don't know what happened for sure" with each of the accusing women. And while he insisted Watson "did not use coercion" or "his position of power" to "intimidate" masseuses into sexual activity, he did acknowledge Watson could have engaged sexually with multiple therapists.
"Were there sometimes some consensual encounters? Yes."
Rachel Lewis, a lawyer representing Watson as part of Hardin's firm, also defended the QB during the press conference.
"Deshaun can't eat or sleep," she said. "He's worked so hard for his name. He cares deeply for his communities and takes every opportunity to give back. To see how these women and Mr. (Tony) Buzbee (the plaintiffs attorney) are trying to tear him down is upsetting."
Watson has not been criminally charged for any of the allegations, all of which he's denied. The NFL has stated twice that it is investigating the QB for a potential violation of its personal conduct policy, calling the allegations -- all of which originally stemmed from anonymous civil suits -- "deeply disturbing."
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'We don't know what happened for sure,' Rusty Hardin added
https://www.cbssports.com/writers/cody-benjamin/
By Cody Benjamin
Hours after two judges ruled that at least nine women accusing Texans star Deshaun Watson of sexual misconduct must publicly identify themselves to continue civil lawsuits against the quarterback, Watson's attorney, Rusty Hardin, defended his client in a Friday press conference. In between explanations about Watson's use of Instagram to hire private massage therapists, more than a dozen of which have alleged assault or misconduct by the quarterback, Hardin also said "we don't know what happened for sure" and "some consensual encounters" occurred between Watson and accusing masseuses.
"I am not about to accuse 22 women of ill motive or lying," Hardin told reporters. "All I know is we're supposed to start out believing Deshaun did not do it ... That presumption on social media is pretty much gone ... (and) we do not believe these allegations."
Hardin called upon the media to dissect the testimony of the accusing women, who have combined to file 22 different lawsuits against Watson. Thirteen of the women have now been ordered to reveal their identity by Wednesday, and two -- Ashley Solis and Lauren Baxley -- came forward this week to publicly accuse Watson.
"I trust and hope once you find out who these people are," Hardin said, "you will do the type investigation of them as you do of us."
Hardin also defended Watson's use of social media, specifically Instagram, to recruit masseuses for private therapy sessions.
"(He's) getting two to three massages a week. The math I do on that is anywhere between 120 to 140 to 150 massages a year," Hardin said. "In the year 2020, all of a sudden spas shut down. Nobody was getting massages unless they came up with an ad hoc way to do it. The massage world during the pandemic changed ... Millennials live on Instagram. They do business on it. Deshaun lives on Instagram. He does business transactions on Instagram."
Hardin admitted, however, that "we don't know what happened for sure" with each of the accusing women. And while he insisted Watson "did not use coercion" or "his position of power" to "intimidate" masseuses into sexual activity, he did acknowledge Watson could have engaged sexually with multiple therapists.
"Were there sometimes some consensual encounters? Yes."
Rachel Lewis, a lawyer representing Watson as part of Hardin's firm, also defended the QB during the press conference.
"Deshaun can't eat or sleep," she said. "He's worked so hard for his name. He cares deeply for his communities and takes every opportunity to give back. To see how these women and Mr. (Tony) Buzbee (the plaintiffs attorney) are trying to tear him down is upsetting."
Watson has not been criminally charged for any of the allegations, all of which he's denied. The NFL has stated twice that it is investigating the QB for a potential violation of its personal conduct policy, calling the allegations -- all of which originally stemmed from anonymous civil suits -- "deeply disturbing."
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This whole shit is literally hoes being hoes. Watson is a dangerous, serial predator but for the low price of $$$.99 I will shut the fuck up and pretend that none of this happened.
So hoes are hoes, but there aren't some sick and demented men out here, huh
So hoes are hoes, but there aren't some sick and demented men out here, huh
Well THIS ain't about them. This entire situation is about hoes trying to come up and the Houston Texans trying to put a nigga in his place because he wants to be traded.
It is about that
Dudes are quicker to assume that 20+ women are lying and trying to get money rather than believe some muthafucka they don't know is a sick muthafucka
Do dudes up here ever believe women are abused? The shit is strange as fuck.
So hoes are hoes, but there aren't some sick and demented men out here, huh
Unless asking for head or to fuck is criminal now, I don't really understand what you are getting at.
How many have said they had non-consensual sex with him?
Of those, how many have gone to the police saying that Watson raped them?
The "privacy" point is moot now. It literally makes no sense to pursue a civil case and NOT also be holding a press conference demanding a criminal investigation.
There is a reason plaintiffs counsel has tap danced, dodged and even lied about his contact with the police only to ultimately claim that they are "corrupt".
The last thing he or his clients wants is an actual investigation into this shit...
Which allegation do you think is a credible criminal offense?
Now you are moving into simp territory. Both exist, who do you think flewed out the hoes and own the camel?So hoes are hoes, but there aren't some sick and demented men out here, huh
There's nothing criminal to investigate that we've heard of (except the one "head" incident).
What are police gonna do...arrest him for not wearing a towel or getting an erection, humping the air and bussing a nut? I keep saying, it's not criminal, so for the vast majority, there's no sense in anybody calling for a criminal investigation...come on guys, it's common sense here. Except for the one, none are accusing him of rape, none are accusing him of feeling them up...it's just a bunch of general, and if any of these women are or are trying to be professional, inappropriate behavior in what should be a professional service.
That doesn't mean though that he isn't a complete moron who went way overboard in trying to have his cake and eat it too trying to mix all these interactions into professional, but also possibly sexual encounters. You have to know that at a certain point, all it takes is one of these bunch of random women you are scouring IG for to feel you are being inappropriate and here we go. You have to ask yourself why is somebody doing this...he gets off on seeing if these women he's targeted on IG are willing "take hints" to get what he wants...because there are so many other ways to get one or the other separately (or even both at places we all know are infamous for it).
A fool and his money are soon parted...that's how I'm looking at this case.
I was asking in a rhetorical way. My personal thought is not only is there nothing to criminally investigate but that the reason they were slow walking and pump faking about going to the police is that they do not want an investigation of the circumstances surrounding their "massage" businesses.
I don't see how people don't see this shit
So hoes are hoes, but there aren't some sick and demented men out here, huh
You missed us discussing all the nfl pervs that have been revealed over the years and that's why we have to prepare ourselves
That doesn't mean we can't have any doubt in the victims and lawyers moves
And that the victim's allegations are bit shaky.
But by and large even the biggest Watson defender has admitted at the very least...
he has issues, needs serious counseling and is a freak
And is very likely guilty of at minimum some of this stuff.
Not one lie told
Niggas talkin about getting opened up
Y’all some faggits
Y’all some faggits
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