McDonalds in Denmark pays its workers $22/hr + 6 weeks of paid leave

[gene cisco]

Shit like the healthcare and childcare benefits that every Dane gets but we don't?

So we jumped from wages to healthcare and childcare? For starters, we comparing a country of 6 million to a country of 300+ million. Any place we comparing U.S. to should have damn near the same population for starters.

And again, I'm FOR improved wages for workers.

As for healthcare for all, when I said AOC should use her vote for Pelosi as leverage to get a vote on record, cats on BGOL got mad at me. Mind you, this something AOC swore herself was important to do, yet I was wrong for insisting on her to keep her word. I'm for healthcare for all.

But using a country that has fewer people than backwoods Ohio as an example is stupid.

 

[mangobob79]

So we jumped from wages to healthcare and childcare? For starters, we comparing a country of 6 million to a country of 300+ million. Any place we comparing U.S. to should have damn near the same population for starters.

And again, I'm FOR improved wages for workers.

As for healthcare for all, when I said AOC should use her vote for Pelosi as leverage to get a vote on record, cats on BGOL got mad at me. Mind you, this something AOC swore herself was important to do, yet I was wrong for insisting on her to keep her word. I'm for healthcare for all.

But using a country that has fewer people than backwoods Ohio as an example is stupid.

while not easily transferable but u have to take into account , whats our GDP whats theirs? u do know everything can be scaled ? and autonomy in the states leverage out the game unless u no longer believe in "states rights"

 

[gene cisco]

while not easily transferable but u have to take into account , whats our GDP whats theirs? u do know everything can be scaled ? and autonomy in the states leverage out the game unless u no longer believe in "states rights"

Scaling things with people is incredibly complex.

Yeah, what is there GOP? I honestly don't know. What are their versions of 'dumb hicks' and progressives? I don't know. How is their government with businesses in general? How are franchise owners protected? I don't know. I just know 6 million to this place is a crazy comparison.

Workers in the U.S. do need much better treatment and better pay. Shit is fucking ridiculous.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

So we jumped from wages to healthcare and childcare? For starters, we comparing a country of 6 million to a country of 300+ million. Any place we comparing U.S. to should have damn near the same population for starters.

And again, I'm FOR improved wages for workers.

As for healthcare for all, when I said AOC should use her vote for Pelosi as leverage to get a vote on record, cats on BGOL got mad at me. Mind you, this something AOC swore herself was important to do, yet I was wrong for insisting on her to keep her word. I'm for healthcare for all.

But using a country that has fewer people than backwoods Ohio as an example is stupid.

Nancy Pelosi is the goddamn devil, but I agree with your point on healthcare. the irony is that everybody working or living in Pelosi's district, including myself, has a very limited form of Universal Health Care available through the healthy San Francisco plan.

But I digress.

The fight for $15 is a worthy cause, but again it's only a Band-Aid fix. The real question is why is a $15 an hour wage necessary in the first place?

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Scaling things with people is incredibly complex.

Yeah, what is there GOP? I honestly don't know. What are their versions of 'dumb hicks' and progressives? I don't know. How is their government with businesses in general? How are franchise owners protected? I don't know. I just know 6 million to this place is a crazy comparison.

Workers in the U.S. do need much better treatment and better pay. Shit is fucking ridiculous.

Completely agree that's why I joined the labor movement. Been helping organize gig workers.

The biggest obstacle is that the moment a city, county, or the state of California tries to impose a new tax or new regulation to protect workers the company's respond by threatening to leave the government tucks its tail between its legs every single time and gives in.

The campaign I'm working on now is the show the state that we don't need those bastards. companies like uber, lyft, doordash, etc are losing millions, sometimes billions of dollars every single year because they are TERRIBLE at doing business.

I'm not opposed to taking their money. The state shouldn't be either. However if they want to leave help them pack! Propping them up with specialized regulations and exemptions sets the state, county, and City to fail along with them.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Boy these be the best threads on BGoL

Niggas don’t be knowing what they fuck they be talking about.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

That’s why it makes more sense locally instead of federally, but going deeper into the mom and pop argument, does every job need to pay a livable wage even on a local level?

Yes they do!

The arguement of "well, it's not meant to pay enough to live on". Is a complete scam!

I'll give you an example. in 2009 you needed a medallion from the city to be able to run a taxi service. Uber came in, provided the same service without The medallion and skirted the law by calling it "ride sharing".

The city's fought back, so Uber got a bunch of its drivers to come forward and talk about how they were finally able to make a decent wage at a job that still gave them the flexibility to attend their daughter's soccer practice or take care of their elderly mother.

The city relented and Uber became a permanent fixture.

Then slowly over time they started eroding people's wages until the driver started to organize and protest. At that point Uber said

"Our drivers only work a few hours here and there to make some extra money. This job isn't meant to pay a living wage."

that's not to say that a 16 year old works part-time at McDonald's should make enough to support the entire family, but his labor should still be fairly compensated.

 

[mangobob79]

Yes they do!

The arguement of "well, it's not meant to pay enough to live on". Is a complete scam!

I'll give you an example. in 2009 you needed a medallion from the city to be able to run a taxi service. Uber came in, provided the same service without The medallion and skirted the law by calling it "ride sharing".

The city's fought back, so Uber got a bunch of its drivers to come forward and talk about how they were finally able to make a decent wage at a job that still gave them the flexibility to attend their daughter's soccer practice or take care of their elderly mother.

The city relented and Uber became a permanent fixture.

Then slowly over time they started eroding people's wages until the driver started to organize and protest. At that point Uber said

"Our drivers only work a few hours here and there to make some extra money. This job isn't meant to pay a living wage."

that's not to say that a 16 year old works part-time at McDonald's should make enough to support the entire family, but his labor should still be fairly compensated.

exactly its more complex than just giving $15 but to say ppl shouldnt be able to make a decent wage from one job is ludicrous

 

[madgoose]

that's not to say that a 16 year old works part-time at McDonald's should make enough to support the entire family, but his labor should still be fairly compensated.

and there you have it. When I worked for McDonalds back in '86 I was exactly that, a part-time worker, attending college whilst still living at home and wanting some financial independence, so I could buy my own clothes, go out with my mates on a Friday or Saturday or save up for my first car. I worked about 20 hours a week, maybe 2 or 3 evenings and Saturday/Sunday daytime/evening. The older employees doing the closes (you had to be over 18) were also studying, probably at university and those in their early 20s were doing a 45 hour week whilst having the flexibility to look for "a real job". Those in it for the long haul were the floor managers or branch managers who were salaried. McDonalds was sold to me as an opportunity to get a reference from a valid employer with about 1 in 10 people working for McDonalds at some time during their working life. McDonalds expects a high turnover of staff but there are also people who work there long term and do not wish to become management, it is the perfect job for the Mum who wants to do 6 hours a day while the kids are at school or for somebody trying to start their own business or get their degree. McDonalds is about flexibility. Like Danny said "his labor should still be fairly compensated." there were different pay scales for different ages as well as different rates for late evenings, closes and weekends.

The problem is not really with McDonalds the problem is with who is letting McDonalds operate in such a manner and why?

If you are working a 45 hour week (which is a working week in the UK) then you should expect o be able to live off of that wage. But to "live" is to be able to pay your rent, utilities, feed yourself, cloth yourself a little towards recreation and maybe save 10% of your nett. That is a full time job for a crew member at McDonalds. It is a stepping stone or a bridge, don't expect to maintain much or progress to far financially. In my experience McDonalds was staffed by school leavers and students in further education and migrants who were learning there way around the employment/education system.

 

[rude_dog]

So we jumped from wages to healthcare and childcare? For starters, we comparing a country of 6 million to a country of 300+ million. Any place we comparing U.S. to should have damn near the same population for starters.

And again, I'm FOR improved wages for workers.

As for healthcare for all, when I said AOC should use her vote for Pelosi as leverage to get a vote on record, cats on BGOL got mad at me. Mind you, this something AOC swore herself was important to do, yet I was wrong for insisting on her to keep her word. I'm for healthcare for all.

But using a country that has fewer people than backwoods Ohio as an example is stupid.

It's difficult to compare America to another country our size. We're one of the largest countries in the world and most of the countries with similar populations have even younger governments than our own. India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria and Brazil are coming off of centuries of colonization. Russia and China have gone through Revolutions. We like to think of ourselves as the new kid on the block but we're really the old man, the longest running democracy.

I think the most accurate way to compare America is with the other former British Colonies. All of which are much more progressive than the United States, have more freedom and are stronger democracies.

Sometimes the more accurate comparison may be to combine the larger European Countries which all abide by some labor laws from the EU. I think paid leave is guaranteed by the EU so that no nation has an unfair economic advantage by fucking over labor.

 

[madgoose]

Sometimes the more accurate comparison may be to combine the larger European Countries which all abide by some labor laws from the EU. I think paid leave is guaranteed by the EU so that no nation has an unfair economic advantage by fucking over labor.

Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.)


Annual leave

Employees in full-time employment on a 40-hour week are entitled to 216 hours of paid holidays per year. Paid holidays can be taken as agreed with the employer.

National and public holidays amount to another 14 working days. The following is the list of annual national and public holidays:

EURES - Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.) - European Commission

EURES - Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.) - European Commission

ec.europa.eu

 

[hardawayz16]

Scaling things with people is incredibly complex.

The idealist always tend to ignore this. They think you can just plug in the new numbers and voila!

 

[mangobob79]

Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.)


Annual leave

Employees in full-time employment on a 40-hour week are entitled to 216 hours of paid holidays per year. Paid holidays can be taken as agreed with the employer.

National and public holidays amount to another 14 working days. The following is the list of annual national and public holidays:

EURES - Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.) - European Commission

EURES - Leave (annual leave, parental leave, etc.) - European Commission

ec.europa.eu

goodluck getting even this in america

 

[rude_dog]

I think the most accurate way to compare America is with the other former British Colonies. All of which are much more progressive than the United States, have more freedom and are stronger democracies.

Sometimes the more accurate comparison may be to combine the larger European Countries which all abide by some labor laws from the EU. I think paid leave is guaranteed by the EU so that no nation has an unfair economic advantage by fucking over labor.

Speaking of which, I just got this in an email this morning after posting. America is rated lower than any of the former British Colonies or western Europe.

Global freedom continues steady decline: report

India slipped to "partly free" due to the government's “scapegoating of Muslims” and “crackdown on critics.”

www.axios.com

Global glass ceiling

The Economist's "glass-ceiling index," ranking conditions for working women across 29 countries, found Nordic countries at the top, and the U.S. at No. 18.

www.axios.com

 

[Soul On Ice]

Walmart, Mcdonalds et al. literally are using your tax dollars to subsidize the wages of their employees. No company in any other western democracy could do the shit they do here and you have idiots defending it.

this part

 

[man-machine]

Stop crying. You aspire to live in white neighborhoods. You vote the same white asholes in every 4 years and are scared to die for your freedom. You dudes deserve to get fucked over. You want better, you keep what you kill.

White Neighborhoods? Maybe you are the one who should stop crying. Weeping over the loss of something that never was, the golden age of Segregation in America where Black people flourished. Don't confuse survival with prosperity. There is a big difference.

 

[Thegooch]

White Neighborhoods? Maybe you are the one who should stop crying. Weeping over the loss of something that never was, the golden age of Segregation in America where Black people flourished. Don't confuse survival with prosperity. There is a big difference.

Where the fuck are you from and are you ADOS? Answer these two questions or dont reply to my post. You are fucking wrong in your assessment about segregation. If you feel living with your slave masters is progress then you must be one of those swirling ass niggas who is trying to justify is lust of pork.

The most prosperous counties in Africa have usually been he ones with the most wealth and the least war. White interaction caused Egypt to constantly be invaded by whites while West Africa florished until colonization. In America, black Marriage rates were higher than whites and the percentage of black owned businesses was high.

The facts are when you live around white people balcks get divorced more, have lower home and business owneship. Detroit is segregated but has higner business and home ownership than blacks who live in white area.

If all you are is a renter and worker then you really aint accomplished shit but being an indentured servant. You aint shit but a surf on the Lords land. Are you even black? I dobut it. You are probably just a wannabe.

 

[man-machine]

Where the fuck are you from and are you ADOS? Answer these two questions or dont reply to my post. You are fucking wrong in your assessment about segregation. If you feel living with your slave masters is progress then you must be one of those swirling ass niggas who is trying to justify is lust of pork.

The most prosperous counties in Africa have usually been he ones with the most wealth and the least war. White interaction caused Egypt to constantly be invaded by whites while West Africa florished until colonization. In America, black Marriage rates were higher than whites and the percentage of black owned businesses was high.

The facts are when you live around white people balcks get divorced more, have lower home and business owneship. Detroit is segregated but has higner business and home ownership than blacks who live in white area.

If all you are is a renter and worker then you really aint accomplished shit but being an indentured servant. You aint shit but a surf on the Lords land. Are you even black? I dobut it. You are probably just a wannabe.

I am Black and far wannabee. Plenty of divorce in all Black communities and I doubt your African history is that accurate either. Frankly, I don't really care because this is just more of the same nonsense. I have my own home,a career and I consult from time to time when I feel like it. I don't live in a world of slave masters and Slave owners. I'm a few centuries better off than my ancestors and I have enough since to know when your rhetoric and the white supremacist rhetoric sound the same you are trafficking in the same ignorance.

 

[darth frosty]

Is the US ready for a $15 minimum wage?


I often wonder if people dead set against a $15 minimum wage ever actually think about $15.
Seriously.

What would you do for $15?



Would you come to my house and clean my bathroom for an hour?

Do my Dishes?

(LOL For the record, no, neither of those is ACTUALLY mine, nor are thy representative of my domicile)

If I asked you on the street to stop what you were doing and watch my car for one hour so I could run into an appointment and offered you $15, would you take it or tell me to fuck off?

What is $15? Why does that suddenly sound like a lot of money when we are talking about minimum wage, when there isn’t a chance I could use $15 to motivate you to do ANYTHING unpleasant or even just boring for an hour.

This idea that it will somehow crash the economy is silly. The economy is strongest when it’s strong from the bottom up.

Pay the bottom tier of the economy a living wage, and something amazing happens. They SPEND that money. They spend it not just on the smallest things they are able to afford when they are somehow scraping by, they spend it in the same restaurants, bars, small gift shops, home services like carpet cleaning that most people are wringing their hands over “How are they going to afford it?” They afford it because more people will be able to afford THEM.

Businesses will ALWAYS pay bottom-tier workers the absolute minimum they are allowed to whether they can afford it or not. It’s part of how you run a business, but treating labor like any other commodity creates an economy where the GIGANTIC bottom tier not only can’t afford to participate in that economy, they end up needing social support like food stamps, Medicaid, sometimes welfare. So suddenly the next rung up in the economy is actually paying for that lower rung NOT to get paid a living wage.

It is a fact that the minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living, and it’s long past time that was corrected.

 

[Nzinga]

Denmark has a population an 8th the size of California’s and a land mass similarity small in comparison. The United essentially has 50+ different economies. These federal minimum wage arguments make as much sense as giving the world a standard minimum wage. Too many dummies don’t understand nuance with this argument and don’t even ask the simple question of why can’t states mandate their own minimum wage? Why can’t cities mandate their own minimum wage that makes sense for that economy? What’s stopping that?When someone gives me a reasonable argument or answer to that question maybe I’ll start listening to this $15 an hour everywhere talk.

The economics of scale means that things in California should be less
expensive in California in Denmark. The California capitalist should have
less cost in overheads, more business customers, and can therefore pay
more in salaries.

 

[Nzinga]

Is the US ready for a $15 minimum wage?
I often wonder if people dead set against a $15 minimum wage ever actually think about $15.
Seriously.

What would you do for $15?



Would you come to my house and clean my bathroom for an hour?

Do my Dishes?

(LOL For the record, no, neither of those is ACTUALLY mine, nor are thy representative of my domicile)

If I asked you on the street to stop what you were doing and watch my car for one hour so I could run into an appointment and offered you $15, would you take it or tell me to fuck off?

What is $15? Why does that suddenly sound like a lot of money when we are talking about minimum wage, when there isn’t a chance I could use $15 to motivate you to do ANYTHING unpleasant or even just boring for an hour.

This idea that it will somehow crash the economy is silly. The economy is strongest when it’s strong from the bottom up.

Pay the bottom tier of the economy a living wage, and something amazing happens. They SPEND that money. They spend it not just on the smallest things they are able to afford when they are somehow scraping by, they spend it in the same restaurants, bars, small gift shops, home services like carpet cleaning that most people are wringing their hands over “How are they going to afford it?” They afford it because more people will be able to afford THEM.

Businesses will ALWAYS pay bottom-tier workers the absolute minimum they are allowed to whether they can afford it or not. It’s part of how you run a business, but treating labor like any other commodity creates an economy where the GIGANTIC bottom tier not only can’t afford to participate in that economy, they end up needing social support like food stamps, Medicaid, sometimes welfare. So suddenly the next rung up in the economy is actually paying for that lower rung NOT to get paid a living wage.

It is a fact that the minimum wage has not kept up with the cost of living, and it’s long past time that was corrected.

Workers in the US have no power. Essentially, the salaries of workers have reduced
by 66% since 1973.

 

[Nzinga]

I generally agree with the $15 minimum wage, but you bring up some excellent points.

when the government started handing out $600 a week unemployment checks a lot of smaller businesses in poorer States went under.

$15/hour equals $600 after a 40 hour week.

So what happens when a company like Walmart can afford to pay their people $15/hour, but your local Stop and Shop can't?

Why can't Stop and Shop pay $15/hr? Is it because its CEO also thinks
he should be getting paid $15million per year like every other CEO?

 

[Nzinga]

It's difficult to compare America to another country our size. We're one of the largest countries in the world and most of the countries with similar populations have even younger governments than our own. India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria and Brazil are coming off of centuries of colonization. Russia and China have gone through Revolutions. We like to think of ourselves as the new kid on the block but we're really the old man, the longest running democracy.

I think the most accurate way to compare America is with the other former British Colonies. All of which are much more progressive than the United States, have more freedom and are stronger democracies.

Sometimes the more accurate comparison may be to combine the larger European Countries which all abide by some labor laws from the EU. I think paid leave is guaranteed by the EU so that no nation has an unfair economic advantage by fucking over labor.

Do not complicate things. Just look at the unionisation rates of workers

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Why can't Stop and Shop pay $15/hr? Is it because its CEO also thinks
he should be getting paid $15million per year like every other CEO?

I'm talking about places that are too small for a CEO. Places where $15 million far exceeds the entire yearly revenue.

In some places a $15 minimum wage would make it impossible for these small entities to compete.

 

[Nzinga]

I'm talking about places that are too small for a CEO. Places where $15 million far exceeds the entire yearly revenue.

In some places a $15 minimum wage would make it impossible for these small entities to compete.

You are conveniently confusing issues. The $15 million is for CEO of the entire corporation, and not
the owner of every individual franchise store. The $15/hr is per store. If stores in the small country
of Denmark can pay their employees $15 an hour, so can the ones in the US

 

[THE DRIZZY]

Wages have not kept up with cost of living expenses going on several decades now. People will get fed up eventually.

 

[God-Of-War-420]

If people can't afford to pay their workers a living wage then their business should fuck off and die. Idgaf about if it's a mom and pop or McDonald's. Too many McDonald's to pay workers? Well guess we need less McDonald's. Tired of this white man's game bullshit

 

[Mello Mello]

The 6 weeks paid leave is good... but $22 an hour in Denmark is still standard wage in that country... Denmark is expensive as hell.

I wasn’t gonna read all that but I was coming to ask what the living cost was but you just answered that for me.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

You are conveniently confusing issues. The $15 million is for CEO of the entire corporation, and not
the owner of every individual franchise store. The $15/hr is per store. If stores in the small country
of Denmark can pay their employees $15 an hour, so can the ones in the US

Not at all. My "stop and shop" example is meant to represent small independent retailers. I don't want to see a situation where a company like Walmart can push for $15 minimum wage laws as a way to drive these companies out of business.

Also, the United States is a lot more economically diverse than Denmark. For instance, if you make $30,000 a year in Mississippi you likely have a house and car. Make that same wage in Northern California and you're likely sharing a bedroom and taking the bus.

Denmark doesn't seem to have that issue

On top of that, countries like Denmark tend to gradually increase their minimum wage every year to account for inflation in the cost of living. In the United States these shifts are sudden and sporadic. It's a lot harder for smaller companies to prepare and keep up when it happens.

Finally, increasing the minimum wage to $15 an hour is really just a Band-Aid solution to our country's social and economic problems. How much is it really worth when the person making that wage has to spend hundreds of dollars every month on health insurance? How much is it worth if they still have to pay interest to a private company every time they get a fine? Don't even get me started on student loans.

 

[gman4gov]

Man, taxes in Denmark are 45% of take home. Most of the European countries such as Germany, Austria, etc are like this. In other words, the Gov takes out for the free medical and retirement, therefore, its really not as much as you think.

 

[arnoldwsimmons]

McDonald's is raising hourly wages for 36,500 employees across the U.S.

McDonald’s (MCD) will raise hourly wages "by an average of 10 percent" for more than 36,5000 employees at more than 660 U.S. restaurants.

finance.yahoo.com

 

[305]

It is the same business model, the same menu. If it can work in that
country, it can work in the US

Dont do this bro. Comparing fat sloppy disgusting gun toting zero fucks having Americans to functioning very small society of people who actually care. Your making no sense on this one.

 

[Nzinga]

Dont do this bro. Comparing fat sloppy disgusting gun toting zero fucks having Americans to functioning very small society of people who actually care. Your making no sense on this one.

I plead guilty to your observation and assertion. Well done!

 

[regulus]

Dont do this bro. Comparing fat sloppy disgusting gun toting zero fucks having Americans to functioning very small society of people who actually care. Your making no sense on this one.

Yeah, this shit only works in homogenous societies. As soon as a country gets a little bit of a mixture of other races, foods, religions it all goes to shit. Everything turns into an attempt to punish "the others" just for not being part of the core, even if it harms the core. America is all about "othering" people and caring for your fellow american isn't a thing. Anything that benefits people is shot down because it might help the wrong people at the expense of the right people.

 

[man-machine]

It is still $22/hr; and it is not that expensive when you factor
the free healthcare and other service rendered by the government
there, but not in "cheap" America.

When you add up all the co-insurances, co-pays, education costs,
in the US and compare, the difference is not that much

Common sense that evades this country. Generally, Americans only find value in things when other people can't have them. Healthcare is great if everyone doesn't have it. If everyone has it it's socialized medicine and I don't want it. Free college? Hell No that is socialism we can't have that. Yet we give lots of free money to Billion dollar corporations who do nothing and neglect our citizens. No wonder so many US citizens have lost their fucking minds.