McDonalds in Denmark pays its workers $22/hr + 6 weeks of paid leave

[hardawayz16]

Nothing screams capitalism like tax payers essentially subsidizing the wages of people employed by multi-billion dollar corporations. Damn, I must have missed the chapter in Wealth of Nations when Smith discussed how companies were guaranteed by the free market to be profitable.

You keep responding to legit points with emotionally charged talking points.

 

[hardawayz16]

That’s why it makes more sense locally instead of federally, but going deeper into the mom and pop argument, does every job need to pay a livable wage even on a local level?

No, and this is why we have an entire class of young people who aren't working like they used to.

Most 17-18yo with no prior job experience don't need a "living wage". No one ever considers them.

 

[HeavyArmz]

Just say you haven’t seen the numbers
Most store owners will make about $200K after expenses. That’s why most have to save land own multiple stores
You kick up payroll to give everyone $15 an hour then it’s not even economically feasible to own a McDonalds

So how much would a store owner have to raise prices in order to up the revenue to offset the increase in expenses (employee wages)?


If I have to pay .50 cents more an item so that the person serving me makes a living wage, I'm fine with that.

 

[Nzinga]

You have not bothered to factor in the logistics nor the oversaturation of McDonalds restaurants in the US.

Furthermore, the sole source of revenue for a Danish McDonalds is the same as
that of a US one- it is the sale of food. If a Big Mac in Denmark is $5.15 and a
the same Big Mac in the US is $4.80, how can this account for a 3x wage
difference, especially since the overheads are higher in the more expensive
Denmark?

Your logic is flawed

 

[Nzinga]

I'm all for workers not being screwed over by greedy corporations, but I hate comparisons that leave a lot of important shit out.

what important shit has been left out?

 

[Don Coreleone]

I'm just going to drop this here.

 

[Nzinga]

Different country
Different economy
The McDonalds corporation isnt the one paying employees. It’s the owners of the individual store

All the overheads in Denmark are more expensive; the price of a Big Mac in Denmark
is $5.15; the price of a Big Mac in the cheaper US is $4.80. Why the 3x wage difference?

 

[Nzinga]

This is nothing new. Denmark implemented these rates of pay, years ago.

But it does not change the facts

 

[madgoose]

Furthermore, the sole source of revenue for a Danish McDonalds is the same as
that of a US one- it is the sale of food. If a Big Mac in Denmark is $5.15 and a
the same Big Mac in the US is $4.80, how can this account for a 3x wage
difference, especially since the overheads are higher in the more expensive
Denmark?

Your logic is flawed

If in America there are 10 McDonalds restaurants serving the same area (square miles) as the 1 restaurant in Denmark then there are 10 times the overheads to serve the same volume of Big Macs to the same amount of customers. Therefore the Danish McDonalds restaurants will have a higher profit margin. The American market is oversaturated with restaurants to supply the consumers.


Example based on FACTS:

#	Name of country	Number of currently operating outlets
28	Denmark, the Greenland and the Faroe Islands	89

1. Orlando, Florida — 19.60 McDonald's restaurants per 100k residents


Denmark has a population of 5.806 million people and has 89 McDonalds restaurants serving not only Denmark but also Greenland and the Faroe islands. That equates to 1 restaurant per 65,235 people, compared to Orlando Florida which has the highest concentration of McDonalds restaurants and has 19.6 restaurants per 100,000 people. That equates to 1 restaurant for 5,102 people.

If we look at the 14,146 (as of 15/11/2018) branches of McDonalds restaurants serving the American population of 328.2 million (as of 2019) we still only get an average of 1 restaurant per 23,200 people, just over 1 third of the amount served by the Danish branch.

Also:

Denmark doesn't have a nationwide minimum wage, instead it has a strong union presence throughout the country that negotiates wages.



Information Sources:

US & Danish population?.............................................................................................................................................................Google
What city has the most McDonald's in the world?.............................................................................................................Google


General Information........................................................................................................................................................................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s
List of Countries with McDonalds outlets &
amount of restaurants per capita........................................................................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_McDonald%27s_restaurants

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Is that not interesting, 3 x the customers per branch / 3 x the wages. Somebody knows what the fuck they were doing!

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Brotha, I believe the name of the game is to get those smaller businesses outta the game!! This shit is being setup just like they did the media/communication industries!! Your remember how they pulled that shit off??

Yeah. They lobbied Bill Clinton to launch the 1996 FCC act. It allowed media companies to own multiple radio stations in the same network.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

Another problem with a $15 minimum wage is that it's a Band-Aid solution for a much bigger problem.

That is, most people who work in the city can't afford to live there.

This means that city employers have to pay more to compensate for their employee's long commute. Otherwise they risk losing that employee to a local business paying the same wage.

That in turn means that the city has to spend more money maintaining and expanding roads, parking lots, and public transit. Otherwise their workforce becomes unreliable.

This leads to higher taxes which eats that $15/hour pretty quick.

The city loses, the employers lose, and the workers end up in pretty much the same position they were in before.

don't get me wrong, I still think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, but it's not the magic bullet everybody thinks it is

 

[rude_dog]

Everytime I see liberal policies portrayed as radical, I think but every other white anglo-saxon/nordic country in the world already has this. Why can't we have it here?

 

[Nzinga]

If in America there are 10 McDonalds restaurants serving the same area (square miles) as the 1 restaurant in Denmark then there are 10 times the overheads to serve the same volume of Big Macs to the same amount of customers. Therefore the Danish McDonalds restaurants will have a higher profit margin. The American market is oversaturated with restaurants to supply the consumers.


Example based on FACTS:

#	Name of country	Number of currently operating outlets
28	Denmark, the Greenland and the Faroe Islands	89

1. Orlando, Florida — 19.60 McDonald's restaurants per 100k residents


Denmark has a population of 5.806 million people and has 89 McDonalds restaurants serving not only Denmark but also Greenland and the Faroe islands. That equates to 1 restaurant per 65,235 people, compared to Orlando Florida which has the highest concentration of McDonalds restaurants and has 19.6 restaurants per 100,000 people. That equates to 1 restaurant for 5,102 people.

If we look at the 14,146 (as of 15/11/2018) branches of McDonalds restaurants serving the American population of 328.2 million (as of 2019) we still only get an average of 1 restaurant per 23,200 people, just over 1 third of the amount served by the Danish branch.

Also:

Denmark doesn't have a nationwide minimum wage, instead it has a strong union presence throughout the country that negotiates wages.



Information Sources:

US & Danish population?.............................................................................................................................................................Google
What city has the most McDonald's in the world?.............................................................................................................Google


General Information........................................................................................................................................................................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s
List of Countries with McDonalds outlets &
amount of restaurants per capita........................................................................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_McDonald%27s_restaurants

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Is that not interesting, 3 x the customers per branch / 3 x the wages. Somebody knows what the fuck they were doing!

This is all bullshit. You people are saying that Denmark is an expensive country compared
to the US. If this is so, then the overheads in Denmark are move expensive. If the overheads
are more expensive, and the retail cost in Denmark is about the same as the US, how is it
that the Danes can pay their workers 3x as much? You happened to pick Orlando FL. The
reason why there are that many McDonalds is because through out the year, there is a
huge influx of tourists. Tourists eat out, and so even though there may seem to be a high
concentration of McDonalds, the traffic in each other is not very different from the US
average. This is how the market works. In the end, everything averages out.

 

[Thegooch]

You hit the nail on the head. The trouble with America is American's obsession with one word. The word is Freedom. Generally speaking, we don't know the meaning of the word. Every year the word is more misunderstood. Freedom now is equated with having your utilities including running water to cease to be available during a cold snap. Freedom means the ability to pay more for healthcare than just about any industrialized nation on earth for less care. Freedom is now equated with working two or three part-time gigs for internet companies without any benefits and little regulation to protect the worker. Freedom is being forced to work in an unsafe environment in the middle of a Pandemic.

Stop crying. You aspire to live in white neighborhoods. You vote the same white asholes in every 4 years and are scared to die for your freedom. You dudes deserve to get fucked over. You want better, you keep what you kill.

 

[yaBoi]

Everytime I see liberal policies portrayed as radical, I think but every other white anglo-saxon/nordic country in the world already has this. Why can't we have it here?

different kinda white people over here

 

[madgoose]

This is all bullshit. You people are saying that Denmark is an expensive country compared
to the US. If this is so, then the overheads in Denmark are move expensive. If the overheads
are more expensive, and the retail cost in Denmark is about the same as the US, how is it
that the Danes can pay their workers 3x as much? You happened to pick Orlando FL. The
reason why there are that many McDonalds is because through out the year, there is a
huge influx of tourists. Tourists eat out, and so even though there may seem to be a high
concentration of McDonalds, the traffic in each other is not very different from the US
average. This is how the market works. In the end, everything averages out.

1) I only mentioned the overheads as a point for comparison in my arguement for oversaturation, before looking into the facts with actual real documented figures,
2) I did not "pick" Orlando, Florida, it came up as the most dense quantity of McDonald's restaurants in the given area but to justify the validation I also divided the total number of US restaurants by the total US population and worked with those figures to give a more "real world" average scenario.

3) If you looked at the link that I provided so you could exam the context of the figures I quoted, you would see that the Orlando scenario was based on the number of restaurants per 100,000 people. What I do not know is: if these figures take into account transient people such as tourists or the regular static population of the area. I assume the later, but even so my final conclusion was based on total US restaurants divided by total US population.

4) I have not mentioned the cost of the overheads in Denmark, because I do not know the costs. What I have implied is, if it takes 3 US restaurants to service the same amount of customers that the 1 Danish restaurants serves then it attracts 3 times the amount of overheads, not that the one US restaurant attracts 3 times the cost of overheads of the Danish restaurant.

Let me elaborate.

3 x USA McDonalds restaurants each with a total annual overheads of $100,000 (example) per annum,
therefore 3 McDonalds restaurants with overheads totalling $300,000 (example) per annum to serve 69,600 customers, based on the amount of total McDonalds restaurants in the USA (14,146) divided by the total US population (328.2 million) so, 3 x 23,200 = .

for simple math let us presume that the overheads are the same or marginally similar,

so,

1 x Danish McDonalds restaurant with total annual overheads of $100,000 serving 65,235 people, based on 89 McDonalds restaurants in Denmark, Greenland AND the Pharoe Islands divided by the Danish population (alone) of 5.806 million people.

Ultimately the one Danish restaurant is servicing 3 times the amount of potential customers compared to it's US counterpart.​

 

[mangobob79]

Everytime I see liberal policies portrayed as radical, I think but every other white anglo-saxon/nordic country in the world already has this. Why can't we have it here?

somewhere somehow, some niggz would benefit off of it !... dont question ur gut intuition bruh!!

 

[mangobob79]

1) I only mentioned the overheads as a point for comparison in my arguement for oversaturation, before looking into the facts with actual real documented figures,
2) I did not "pick" Orlando, Florida, it came up as the most dense quantity of McDonald's restaurants in the given area but to justify the validation I also divided the total number of US restaurants by the total US population and worked with those figures to give a more "real world" average scenario.

3) If you looked at the link that I provided so you could exam the context of the figures I quoted, you would see that the Orlando scenario was based on the number of restaurants per 100,000 people. What I do not know is: if these figures take into account transient people such as tourists or the regular static population of the area. I assume the later, but even so my final conclusion was based on total US restaurants divided by total US population.

4) I have not mentioned the cost of the overheads in Denmark, because I do not know the costs. What I have implied is, if it takes 3 US restaurants to service the same amount of customers that the 1 Danish restaurants serves then it attracts 3 times the amount of overheads, not that the one US restaurant attracts 3 times the cost of overheads of the Danish restaurant.

Let me elaborate.

3 x USA McDonalds restaurants each with a total annual overheads of $100,000 (example) per annum,
therefore 3 McDonalds restaurants with overheads totalling $300,000 (example) per annum to serve 69,600 customers, based on the amount of total McDonalds restaurants in the USA (14,146) divided by the total US population (328.2 million) so, 3 x 23,200 = .

for simple math let us presume that the overheads are the same or marginally similar,

so,

1 x Danish McDonalds restaurant with total annual overheads of $100,000 serving 65,235 people, based on 89 McDonalds restaurants in Denmark, Greenland AND the Pharoe Islands divided by the Danish population (alone) of 5.806 million people.

Ultimately the one Danish restaurant is servicing 3 times the amount of potential customers compared to it's US counterpart.​

still a flawed logic bruh, on the surface numerical it might makes sense $,
but what r the options the usa mcdonalds always use to offset the volume imbalance ?
and u do know its not $15 on day one right ? its like 5 years to get to $15

now , tactics business & govt agree can offset companies

govt subsidies (if Trump can fuck up the farmers and still give them subsidies so why not companies that hire minimum wage workers ?)
slightly higher prices (instead of a $5.50 burger ,make it $6.50) id gladly pay the extra dollar ,! shiit a calculation was made whereby a food service reduced fries vol by 15% and found out at the end of the quarter they had saved almost million$, airlines reduced peanuts count on planes and saved millions ! PEANUTS !! dont tell me they arent creative ways to do it
better service (self explanatory)
more options so ppl can spend more (self explanatory)
CUT EXECUTIVE PAY ! (some these execs r making millions just cause! executives dont need to earn 500x what their workers do to make a living!)

IT CAN BE DONE !!!

speaking as someone who has actually LIVED (not visited) in europe i see how its possible, american greed (coupled with racism) is a brand unto itself

 

[mangobob79]

Another problem with a $15 minimum wage is that it's a Band-Aid solution for a much bigger problem.

That is, most people who work in the city can't afford to live there.

This means that city employers have to pay more to compensate for their employee's long commute. Otherwise they risk losing that employee to a local business paying the same wage.

That in turn means that the city has to spend more money maintaining and expanding roads, parking lots, and public transit. Otherwise their workforce becomes unreliable.

This leads to higher taxes which eats that $15/hour pretty quick.

The city loses, the employers lose, and the workers end up in pretty much the same position they were in before.

don't get me wrong, I still think minimum wage should be $15 an hour, but it's not the magic bullet everybody thinks it is

its not a magic bullet but if we rearrange how the revenues are distributed it can be done profitably & comfortably !
white people r just scared there would be too many black folks living a tad bit better as result ! lets be honest ! all the hand flailing distraction statistics r bullshit !

 

[mangobob79]

That’s why it makes more sense locally instead of federally, but going deeper into the mom and pop argument, does every job need to pay a livable wage even on a local level?

it might work locally but whats the incentive to stay if i can cross the tracks to another city and get $5 more?

 

[mangobob79]

You hit the nail on the head. The trouble with America is American's obsession with one word. The word is Freedom. Generally speaking, we don't know the meaning of the word. Every year the word is more misunderstood. Freedom now is equated with having your utilities including running water to cease to be available during a cold snap. Freedom means the ability to pay more for healthcare than just about any industrialized nation on earth for less care. Freedom is now equated with working two or three part-time gigs for internet companies without any benefits and little regulation to protect the worker. Freedom is being forced to work in an unsafe environment in the middle of a Pandemic.

they know what FREEDOM means to them, it means different to us ! "FREEDOM" is the new "STATES RIGHTS" connect the dots and it all makes sense!!

 

[madgoose]

still a flawed logic bruh, on the surface numerical it might makes sense $,

Of course it is a flawed logic, it was a simple off the cuff calculation. I do not know the real world overheads, but it was a simple example of WHY there could be such a significant difference in the pay scale. I believe that the true answer lies in the fact the Denmark does not have an active minimum wage but does have a union campaigning for their members. We also are not aware of what kind of salary catering staff generate in Denmark, this maybe the kind of wage McDs need to pay to attract workers in Denmark. What needs to be done is for people not to cry that others are doing better or getting more but to demonstrate that they to are worthy of an equivalent pay scheme. That said there are many factors to consider, for example if Denmark has an extremely low unemployment percentage then McDonalds need to value their workers, if in the US unemployment is high then they may feel that they do not need to value and reward their employees in the same way because there are 5 more people waiting at the door to start the following day.

People have always complained about unproportionable salaries for executives, sometimes this is right other times not. I would be happy collecting an "executive" salary but I would also be aware that a fuck up may result in my dismissal or resignation, the guy flipping burgers won't get sacked for a couple hitting the floor and ending up in the bin. What I am trying to say is the pay scale differs for the executives because (usually) the implications of the responsibilities are are significantly different.

Would regular McDonalds employees value their job more if they were paid better? Yes I believe that they would, I fell that they would go the extra yard, would be punctual, tidy, presentable and groomed to a standard because they would want to keep that one job in a thousand that now gives them a standard of living that they were not previously experiencing.

What is sickening is when big corporations who pay their upper management and executives handsomely with additional benefits announce massive profits for the previous quarter but there hands on deck staff who complete the tasks that are handed down do not see the financial benefits for their contribution which enhances the organisation. They should be able to see a reward based on a share scheme of the profits divided by the amount of hours that they worked helping to increase the companies profits.

Just some thoughts.

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[mangobob79]

Of course it is a flawed logic, it was a simple off the cuff calculation. I do not know the real world overheads, but it was a simple example of WHY there could be such a significant difference in the pay scale. I believe that the true answer lies in the fact the Denmark does not have an active minimum wage but does have a union campaigning for their members. We also are not aware of what kind of salary catering staff generate in Denmark, this maybe the kind of wage McDs need to pay to attract workers in Denmark. What needs to be done is for people not to cry that others are doing better or getting more but to demonstrate that they to are worthy of an equivalent pay scheme. That said there are many factors to consider, for example if Denmark has an extremely low unemployment percentage then McDonalds need to value their workers, if in the US unemployment is high then they may feel that they do not need to value and reward their employees in the same way because there are 5 more people waiting at the door to start the following day.

People have always complained about unproportionable salaries for executives, sometimes this is right other times not. I would be happy collecting an "executive" salary but I would also be aware that a fuck up may result in my dismissal or resignation, the guy flipping burgers won't get sacked for a couple hitting the floor and ending up in the bin. What I am trying to say is the pay scale differs for the executives because (usually) the implications of the responsibilities are are significantly different.

Would regular McDonalds employees value their job more if they were paid better? Yes I believe that they would, I fell that they would go the extra yard, would be punctual, tidy, presentable and groomed to a standard because they would want to keep that one job in a thousand that now gives them a standard of living that they were not previously experiencing.

What is sickening is when big corporations who pay their upper management and executives handsomely with additional benefits announce massive profits for the previous quarter but there hands on deck staff who complete the tasks that are handed down do not see the financial benefits for their contribution which enhances the organisation. They should be able to see a reward based on a share scheme of the profits divided by the amount of hours that they worked helping to increase the companies profits.

Just some thoughts.

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exactly! so as you clearly can see it can be done bruh! yes there are some kinks to work out but if we raise the tides, the boats will be lifted ! american ingenuity always says so but then american greed will decimate that ! so a conundrum

 

[rude_dog]

different kinda white people over here

I think they're just like their ancestors who immigrated here from Great Britain and Scandinavia. The only difference is one society legalized white supremacy. Their ancestors didn't leave Europe for any high-minded reasons, they fled war and famine.

 

[mangobob79]

Don't you understand that the invisible hand will accurately set wages without intervention just like it ended child labor, established the 40 hour work week, created safety standards etc.

Just my obligatory reminder that Ayn Rand died on public assistance...

yeah the lie of the free markets regulating itself !! yep ! fucking Ayn Rand so typical of a selfish cac! no surprises there, Rand(randall )Paul the person who shares same name as her has all the same fallacious logic in congress!

 

[Dannyblueyes]

its not a magic bullet but if we rearrange how the revenues are distributed it can be done profitably & comfortably !
white people r just scared there would be too many black folks living a tad bit better as result ! lets be honest ! all the hand flailing distraction statistics r bullshit !

That's part of it, but I think the real issue is that banks and creditors won't be able to exploit the poor as much as they did before.

A $15 minimum wage leads to fewer overdraft and NSF fees. Less reliance on payday loans. Fewer late fees and reconnect fees from utility companies. This in turn leads to higher credit scores which means credit card companies have to lower interest rates. Fewer defaults means less debt to sell. On time car note payments means fewer repossessions. Etc.

It's bad for private prisons too because higher wages lead to less desperate crimes. there's no point knocking off a liquor store for $500 when you can earn that legitimately in less than one week of work without having to look over your shoulder.

 

[mangobob79]

I think they're just like their ancestors who immigrated here from Great Britain and Scandinavia. The only difference is one society legalized white supremacy. Their ancestors didn't leave Europe for any high-minded reasons, they fled war and famine.

and they all start acting the same once the population of nigz start growing! dont trust anyone from here or there or anywhere

 

[mangobob79]

That's part of it, but I think the real issue is that banks and creditors won't be able to exploit the poor as much as they did before.

A $15 minimum wage leads to fewer overdraft and NSF fees. Less reliance on payday loans. Fewer late fees and reconnect fees from utility companies. This in turn leads to higher credit scores which means credit card companies have to lower interest rates. Fewer defaults means less debt to sell. On time car note payments means fewer repossessions. Etc.

It's bad for private prisons too because higher wages lead to less desperate crimes. there's no point knocking off a liquor store for $500 when you can earn that legitimately in less than one week of work without having to look over your shoulder.

im glad ur'e being honest ! so u see it can be done but cacs wont allow cos black folks would gain from it in immeasurable ways

 

[Dannyblueyes]

different kinda white people over here

THIS.

I live near tourist spot so it's not unusual to see big red buses full of visitors near my house.

One day I came across a large group of Dutch tourists who were on a MONTH LONG vacation to San Francisco. I asked him what they thought of the city.

They all said the same thing "it's lovely here, but why do you have so many homeless? I understand America is a country of the individual, but in our country when we see someone on the street we help them. We don't let them suffer."

That reply has been rattling around inside my skull for the last 6 years.

 

[rude_dog]

im glad ur'e being honest ! so u see it can be done but cacs wont allow cos black folks would gain from it in immeasurable ways

Oh, it's not that I don't think they're racists there too. It's just white supremacy wasn't codified in law there.

 

[Dannyblueyes]

im glad ur'e being honest ! so u see it can be done but cacs wont allow cos black folks would gain from it in immeasurable ways

The biggest difference between poor white folks and poor black folks is that the white guy can find a bag of money by the railroad tracks, take some elocution lessons, get a degree, throw on a well tailored Armani suit, and everybody will treat them as if he's had money his entire life.

A black man finding that money would still be treated more or less the same no matter what. At best it might make him a little more comfortable.

 

[madgoose]

exactly! so as you clearly can see it can be done bruh! yes there are some kinks to work out but if we raise the tides, the boats will be lifted ! american ingenuity always says so but then american greed will decimate that ! so a conundrum

I am in the UK, the policies are very similar. Basically the same but different.

 

[mangobob79]

THIS.

I live near tourist spot so it's not unusual to see big red buses full of visitors near my house.

One day I came across a large group of Dutch tourists who were on a MONTH LONG vacation to San Francisco. I asked him what they thought of the city.

They all said the same thing "it's lovely here, but why do you have so many homeless? I understand America is a country of the individual, but in our country when we see someone on the street we help them. We don't let them suffer."

That reply has been rattling around inside my skull for the last 6 years.

once again , u know the answer to that question Danny ! why r there so many homeless...? helping them would require helping black people too,

 

[mangobob79]

I am in the UK, the policies are very similar. Basically the same but different.

exactly ! i lived all over Europe as a youth , UK too ,so u know

 

[madgoose]

once again , u know the answer to that question Danny ! why r here so many homeless...? helping them would require helping black people too,

Not trying to make a joke of a fucked up situation and having been "shop doorway cupboard box" homeless twice in my life I once heard a comedian say "homeless and poor people are a way for the rich people to warn the middle class people and keep then in check and working hard to serve their purpose".