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Yvette Carnell mad at Sandy Darity for including diaspora in reparations

VAiz4hustlaz said:
I see that I can post a million charts and tables for you and you’d act like they don’t exist. However, if you were to look at the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, then you would see that conditions do not improve for Black people as a whole under either DEMOCRATS or REPUBLICANS! Hence the article I posted above. Now, can you refute this? Can you EMPIRICALLY show where this is wrong?

Black Voters Are So Loyal That Their Issues Get Ignored
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Black Voters Are So Loyal That Their Issues Get Ignored

The issue of race has been at the forefront of much of the 2016 campaign, but recently the war of words and images has been taken to a new level. Hillary Clinto…
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I get the dude in the video and agree with most of what he said...but he didn't answer the question of
withholding our vote from the top of the ticket while voting democratic down-ballot...In hopes of achieving WHAT exactly??

having the possibility of a democratic controlled legislative branch but a republican executive branch would achieve what exactly for ADOS? Especially considering the many factions under the dem tent.

do you think if trump had won we would have even a 1400 dollar stimulus with UC payments of 600 bucks?

thats just one issue that directly effects ADOS.
 
HeathCliff said:
Damn :smh:

I'm not going to lie, I don't keep up with this stinking cunt. And when ya'll used to post that she was a right wing plant and a Trump supporter I laughed but I didn't give it any credence. But watching this shit here, seeing here smiling and celebrating with glee, its fucking disgusting :smh:
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The agents running around talking shit are her minions.
 
geechiedan said:
I get the dude in the video and agree with most of what he said...but he didn't answer the question of
withholding our vote from the top of the ticket while voting democratic down-ballot...In hopes of achieving WHAT exactly??

having the possibility of a democratic controlled legislative branch but a republican executive branch would achieve what exactly for ADOS? Especially considering the many factions under the dem tent.

do you think if trump had won we would have even a 1400 dollar stimulus with UC payments of 600 bucks?

thats just one issue that directly effects ADOS.
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Ummmm....Trump was actually pushing for $2000 in late October and in December.

And we now have a Dem president and a Dem Congress. What is that achieving or will achieve for ADOS? That is what I am waiting to see.
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
Ummmm....Trump was actually pushing for $2000 in late October and in December.

And we now have a Dem president and a Dem Congress. What is that achieving or will achieve for ADOS? That is what I am waiting to see.
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and the republics nixed it with their skinny bill counter...so what.

and you STILL haven't answered the question: withholding our vote from the top of the ticket while voting democratic down-ballot...In hopes of achieving WHAT exactly??
 
Hotlantan said:
To read his objective analysis - nothing sinister.
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I'm rebranding to BIPOC

I don't follow specific people to know who a lot of these people are and I'm def not listening to 1:40 minutes of these people I'm out here doing real shit

What I will say is that I don't like the divisiveness that comes with a lot of it.

I don't have a single problem with any black person who was an immigrant to this country and didn't come over enslaved like my people did.
not 1.

The problem is racism/white supremacy
and the other problem is that they don't understand how to brand themselves.

They literally should say our immigrant brothers and sisters support our fight for reparations for us and the rest have no choice but to follow suit or else fall behind as a "beacon of light for their own countries"

Japanese people were put in internment camps for 3 years and received reparations.
3
They weren't even enslaved or brought over here and subjected to the atrocities that fucks with us to this day.
They don't even have high blood pressure by default cause they had to eat the high in sodium shit they fed us
They don't have the genetic PTSD that we have and studies have proven.
So yes WE def deserve the payback. I've been on record saying it shouldn't necessarily be money.

I do have an issue if there is anyone who feels like we shouldn't for ANY REASON.
There is no reason anyone shouldn't be on board with BIPOC getting their due period.


I don't look at any person black as different than me in the sense of we're brothers and we need to love and respect each other.

So that's how I feel about the issues overall I can't specify on this one because I generally don't keep up with these people who I feel may have good intentions but horrible execution.
 
geechiedan said:
and the republics nixed it with their skinny bill counter...so what.

and you STILL haven't answered the question: withholding our vote from the top of the ticket while voting democratic down-ballot...In hopes of achieving WHAT exactly??
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www.ados-dmv.com

Down Ballot Voting | Capitol Accountability Project

"Down Ballot Voting" strategy speaks to voting for local candidates/ballot measures that fall below the presidential (national) ticket. As the saying goes, "ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL". In exchange for our vote, CAP demands candidates support Reparations with cash payments and a Black agenda for the...
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VAiz4hustlaz said:
www.ados-dmv.com

Down Ballot Voting | Capitol Accountability Project

"Down Ballot Voting" strategy speaks to voting for local candidates/ballot measures that fall below the presidential (national) ticket. As the saying goes, "ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL". In exchange for our vote, CAP demands candidates support Reparations with cash payments and a Black agenda for the...
www.ados-dmv.com www.ados-dmv.com
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The strategy of "Down Ballot Voting" speaks to voting for local candidates/ballot measures that fall below the presidential (national) ticket. As the saying goes, "ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL".

In exchange for our vote, ADOS DMV is demanding that candidates are in favor of reparations (first as cash payments) for American Descendants of Slavery, and have a black agenda for generational programs and set asides that will repair long standing inequalities in areas such as housing, education, health care, employment, criminal justice, community infrastructure, banking, business, etc.

So...Why "Democratic" Down Ballot?
Since 1964, the Democratic Party has overwhelming received Black America's vote!
We have been the most loyal voting block for this party for about 50 years.

"NO BLACK AGENDA NO BLACK VOTE"

Forces the Democratic Party to meet the demands of a black agenda. We will leverage our vote for legislation policies specific for ADOS Communities.
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I'm not disputing ANY of this and actually agree with it..I'm just not understanding how not voting for the presidential candidate helps ADOS agenda and that link doesn't explain it.

IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL (WHOEVER IT IS) YOU CONCEDE THAT POSITION TO THE OPPOSITION (THAT WE AGREE ARE REPUBLICANS) AND THIS WILL FORWARD ADOS AGENDA....HOW??


if your voting for ados agenda politicians down ballot then your already stacking the DNC with people who are black agenda friendly the efforts of that should work toward pushing and grooming candidates for the presidential level...we already saw that this past election with a few candidates who gave a nod to reparations..so why concede that position in what seems more like a hissy fit than a political calculation?

This alone just does not make sense...
 
geechiedan said:
The strategy of "Down Ballot Voting" speaks to voting for local candidates/ballot measures that fall below the presidential (national) ticket. As the saying goes, "ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL".

In exchange for our vote, ADOS DMV is demanding that candidates are in favor of reparations (first as cash payments) for American Descendants of Slavery, and have a black agenda for generational programs and set asides that will repair long standing inequalities in areas such as housing, education, health care, employment, criminal justice, community infrastructure, banking, business, etc.

So...Why "Democratic" Down Ballot?
Since 1964, the Democratic Party has overwhelming received Black America's vote!
We have been the most loyal voting block for this party for about 50 years.

"NO BLACK AGENDA NO BLACK VOTE"

Forces the Democratic Party to meet the demands of a black agenda. We will leverage our vote for legislation policies specific for ADOS Communities.
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I'm not disputing ANY of this and actually agree with it..I'm just not understanding how not voting for the presidential candidate helps ADOS agenda and that link doesn't explain it.

IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL (WHOEVER IT IS) YOU CONCEDE THAT POSITION TO THE OPPOSITION (THAT WE AGREE ARE REPUBLICANS) AND THIS WILL FORWARD ADOS AGENDA....HOW??


if your voting for ados agenda politicians down ballot then your already stacking the DNC with people who are black agenda friendly the efforts of that should work toward pushing and grooming candidates for the presidential level...we already saw that this past election with a few candidates who gave a nod to reparations..so why concede that position in what seems more like a hissy fit than a political calculation?

This alone just does not make sense...
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In the scrutiny of the light ,away from the scum they wish to drag u into ( so they control the narrative) they always wither , becos they arent smart or forward thinking or even knowledgable
 
geechiedan said:
The strategy of "Down Ballot Voting" speaks to voting for local candidates/ballot measures that fall below the presidential (national) ticket. As the saying goes, "ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL".

In exchange for our vote, ADOS DMV is demanding that candidates are in favor of reparations (first as cash payments) for American Descendants of Slavery, and have a black agenda for generational programs and set asides that will repair long standing inequalities in areas such as housing, education, health care, employment, criminal justice, community infrastructure, banking, business, etc.

So...Why "Democratic" Down Ballot?
Since 1964, the Democratic Party has overwhelming received Black America's vote!
We have been the most loyal voting block for this party for about 50 years.

"NO BLACK AGENDA NO BLACK VOTE"

Forces the Democratic Party to meet the demands of a black agenda. We will leverage our vote for legislation policies specific for ADOS Communities.
--------------------

I'm not disputing ANY of this and actually agree with it..I'm just not understanding how not voting for the presidential candidate helps ADOS agenda and that link doesn't explain it.

IF YOU DON'T VOTE FOR PRESIDENTIAL LEVEL (WHOEVER IT IS) YOU CONCEDE THAT POSITION TO THE OPPOSITION (THAT WE AGREE ARE REPUBLICANS) AND THIS WILL FORWARD ADOS AGENDA....HOW??


if your voting for ados agenda politicians down ballot then your already stacking the DNC with people who are black agenda friendly the efforts of that should work toward pushing and grooming candidates for the presidential level...we already saw that this past election with a few candidates who gave a nod to reparations..so why concede that position in what seems more like a hissy fit than a political calculation?

This alone just does not make sense...
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VAiz4hustlaz said:
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this is the whole statement on it



he said it's dangerous and a provocation but it's also something we've already seen and lived thru. Trump became president and we got a fuck ton of conservative judges at lifetime appointments and executive orders that Biden has to undo among other things like insurrection.

Also, would it really send a message?? The biggest complaint from you guys is that both parties are the same... if that's so then the strategy won't work...the only way it does is if YOU...I mean YOU VAiz4hustlaz and others here believe that the democratic party has some redeemable value that the republican party does not and therefore is worth the effort of working with and prodding in such a manner and you believe they would respond to it.

But that's not ADOS rhetoric at all.
 
geechiedan said:
this is the whole statement on it



he said it's dangerous and a provocation but it's also something we've already seen and lived thru. Trump became president and we got a fuck ton of conservative judges at lifetime appointments and executive orders that Biden has to undo among other things like insurrection.

Also, would it really send a message?? The biggest complaint from you guys is that both parties are the same... if that's so then the strategy won't work...the only way it does is if YOU...I mean YOU VAiz4hustlaz and others here believe that the democratic party has some redeemable value that the republican party does not and therefore is worth the effort of working with and prodding in such a manner and you believe they would respond to it.

But that's not ADOS rhetoric at all.
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Where did I say “both parties are the same”?
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
Where did I say “both parties are the same”?
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maybe not exactly the same but you clearly don't see any redeeming value in either.
VAiz4hustlaz said:
:confused:



I will never be disappointed in any Black man or woman who is conscientiously critical of either party because of the parties' dismissal or hostility to Black interests and Black voters. The difference between me and you is that I do not solely reserve that criticism for the Republican Party. One party actively seeks to disenfranchise the Black vote; the other actively seeks to motivate Black voters to vote but only to vote for candidates and policies that benefit other groups. Pick your poison.
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we're talking about parties here NOT presidents....yet when the time comes election day you put your support behind blue...why? you said and posted ADOS agenda is to vote democratic down ballot...not independent or green party etc. Why vote dems down ballot?

my point is you abd other ADOS people here have mixed messaging... theres what you say and what you do and they don't match up.
 
geechiedan said:
maybe not exactly the same but you clearly don't see any redeeming value in either.

we're talking about parties here NOT presidents....yet when the time comes election day you put your support behind blue...why? you said and posted ADOS agenda is to vote democratic down ballot...not independent or green party etc. Why vote dems down ballot?

my point is you abd other ADOS people here have mixed messaging... theres what you say and what you do and they don't match up.
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How many third parties have candidates down-ballot?
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
How many third parties have candidates down-ballot?
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This brings up a question..what if the choices down-ballot aren't palatable..do you abstain from those as well? If your not voting for pres because you don't like the choices then what happens when its city council or DA or Sheriff etc?

doesn't seem like its a strategy thats really thought thru.
 
HeathCliff said:
Damn :smh:

I'm not going to lie, I don't keep up with this stinking cunt. And when ya'll used to post that she was a right wing plant and a Trump supporter I laughed but I didn't give it any credence. But watching this shit here, seeing here smiling and celebrating with glee, its fucking disgusting :smh:
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Are you okay? Do you need satire explained to you?
 
VAiz4hustlaz said:
Ummmm....Trump was actually pushing for $2000 in late October and in December.

And we now have a Dem president and a Dem Congress. What is that achieving or will achieve for ADOS? That is what I am waiting to see.
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What its achieving is letting 11,000,000 million illegal muthafuckas become legal.
 
Don Coreleone said:
What its achieving is letting 11,000,000 million illegal muthafuckas become legal.
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Yep. People who are here illegally and can’t even vote.........but they get a specific agenda geared towards them. While we’re supposed to lay in the cut and “make alliances.”
 

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