Well, this is going as expected.
NBA Season is Returning This Year!!!!!!!
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You know how these things go sometimes. When we expect shit to be one way it goes the other. If Denver's gonna win a game it maybe game 2.
He makes a good point
I do believe that Lebron’s right, especially about the Gasol situation.
And if they were awarding narratives, Lebron would’ve won it this year.
If we look at the numbers, Giannis had better numbers and his team had a better record in the regular season.
he absolutely right
you cant pick and choose WHEN you want to be numbers and analytics
and THEN narrative
when it SUITS you.
The Gasol exaple really caught me off guard and was perfect.
I'm sure some nerd is gonna go back the last 50 years ad see how often that has already happened.
I think Giannis won it off the narrative that the people voting were a lot of the same people who were saying all year the Bucks are coming out of the East.
As much as I hate it, you really can't go far in the playoffs with only one legit star. Until they get Giannis a costar who can get his buckets, teams will continue to build a wall. I didn't see the Bucks getting pass Miami, Toronto, or Boston. All three of those teams have coaches and the personnel to build a wall and stop the Bucks over a 7 game series. It was just a matter of who they ran into first.
I do wish people in the media would stop with all the legacy bullshit. Giannis legacy is fine. He still had a great season, even with the playoff shortcoming.
Fam u can’t get this off. PawsBest D in the bubble
If it was a “Narrative”, I believe Lebron should’ve won.
His 17th year in the league, still putting up astounding numbers and leading his team in the West with the best record.
Now let’s look at the numbers.
Giannis: 29.6 ppg 13.6 rpg 5.6 apg
Lebron: 25.3 ppg 7.8 rpg 10.2 apg
In my opinion Giannis had better numbers.
All you can do is laugh
And didn't play with a dpoy candidate and all nba 1st team.
He has the right to that opinion I don't have a problem with him saying it
It's the army that's about to cry like it's the greatest travesty of all time that I'm not looking forward to
Wont go over well with many... But hes absolutely right. How many times will the guy get fucked out of MVP awards? Giannis didnt deserve it this year based on criteria set by voters past (playing in East) as well as objective standards (team performance with and without the player as well as head to head play).
Its called most valuable player. Not most better numbers player. Lebron has more responsibility on his team than Yannis.. And how can we continue to speak on better numbers while ignoring assists? The valuable conservation should be about that players worth and the teams performance with and without the player statistically. Also should consider head to head and competition played against since the "weak east" argument was used against LeBron for years. Those things factored and Lebron is absolutely MVP. And under NO circumstance should he have gotten only 16 first place votes against Yannis 90 or so. Foh.
You’re entitled to your opinion.
And I didn’t ignore assist, I counted those in my review of the numbers.
Lebron is a better player, but based off of numbers he didn’t have a better season.
And if the voters looked at the numbers along with team wins, then they’d have to vote for Giannis because his numbers were better.
The only way one could say Lebron should’ve won is to add narratives, like you did.
Now its about better numbers? This is what Lebron means by "narrative". Hes referring to the ever moving goalpost and reasons used to determine MVP.
As for better numbers determining MVP....
2014
Steph: 23 ppg 4 rbg 6 apg
Bron: 26 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
Now its about better numbers? This is what Lebron means by "narrative". Hes referring to the ever moving goalpost and reasons used to determine MVP.
As for better numbers determining MVP....
2014
Steph: 23 ppg 4 rbg 6 apg
Bron: 26 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
You want my cousin bills to go full homelander up in here and turn this mother out?
I didnt add narrative. I showed you how "best numbers" was the latest narrative being used to determine most valuable. If its a pure numbers game then give it to Harden every year. Im saying use your brain and actually determine value thru statistical data and objective observation. Not just boxscore coutning. Thats lazy and kinda stupid.
Start by removing each player from their respective teams and analyze performance. Lebron is clearly more valuable to his teams efforts. And to those pointing at AD as a devaluation point... i ask them to show me AD's resume the last 7 years without Lebron. Hes a lottery team guy who barely wins half his games.
Now its about better numbers? This is what Lebron means by "narrative". Hes referring to the ever moving goalpost and reasons used to determine MVP.
As for better numbers determining MVP....
2014
Steph: 23 ppg 4 rbg 6 apg
Bron: 26 ppg 7 rpg 7 apg
I’m looking and speaking about this years numbers, I’m not and can’t speak on the past because we’re speaking about this year. I’m not speaking about the history of MVP voting because I know it’s flawed.
If you would like to speak on the past I can look at those numbers and discuss it and if it was wrong I’d say it was wrong.
But looking at this season’s numbers, Giannis should’ve won.
bills my lil nephew.. He and i dont agree on this issue tho. He knows this.
So now to determine the MVP we have to visualize that player not playing for that team?
If we look at the numbers, that tells us how much that player meant on the court for that team.
What do you think valuable means?So now to determine the MVP we have to visualize that player not playing for that team?
But you dont have to "visualize" anything. You can actually just WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES!! They actually keep stats of this shit too!!!
What do you think valuable means?
But you dont have to "visualize" anything. You can actually just WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES!! They actually keep stats of this shit too!!!
If you look at the stats, you’d see who had to do more to contribute to their team winning.
Imagine that!
Giannis has to score 30 points, grab 13 rebounds and get 5 assists a fucking game just to get those fuckers the best record in the league!
That’s gotta be hard, and they actually keep stats of all the things he has to do to get them the best record in the league two years in a row!
If he wasn’t there, I couldn’t even imagine or visualize how bad they’d be!
Nah.... Same coach used same system and had lesser team as #1 seed in "weak east" with Al fucking Hortford as the go to guy.. You niggas would be dangerous if you actually followed basketball.If you look at the stats, you’d see who had to do more to contribute to their team winning.
Imagine that!
Giannis has to score 30 points, grab 13 rebounds and get 5 assists a fucking game just to get those fuckers the best record in the league!
That’s gotta be hard, and they actually keep stats of all the things he has to do to get them the best record in the league two years in a row!
If he wasn’t there, I couldn’t even imagine or visualize how bad they’d be!
Further, the team performs at pace when Giannis sits. Budenhauser is a dam good regular season coach and maintains win pace with and without Yannis and thats what allows him to manage his minutes thru the season and allows him sit and play only 30 minutes many nites.
The Lakers conversely are far more dependent on Lebron to a far higher degree. When he sits leads vanish and ball movement stalls. Hes forced to facilitate and lead team in minutes most nites and carries more responsibilitiy than any player in the league. This is factual and backed by the numbers.
Nah.... Same coach used same system and had lesser team as #1 seed in "weak east" with Al fucking Hortford as the go to guy.. You niggas would be dangerous if you actually followed basketball.
Further, the team performs at pace when Giannis sits. Budenhauser is a dam good regular season coach and maintains win pace with and without Yannis and thats what allows him to manage his minutes thru the season and allows him sit and play only 30 minutes many nites.
The Lakers conversely are far more dependent on Lebron to a far higher degree. When he sits leads vanish and ball movement stalls. Hes forced to facilitate and lead team in minutes most nites and carries more responsibilitiy than any player in the league. This is factual and backed by the numbers.
Also Giannis was DPOY, so defensively he was their defensive anchor to limit or stop the other team from scoring.
That’s a huge responsibility and shows how valuable he is to the team. Without his defensive presence, teams attack the basket and score.
Agreed. But thats why they have a separate award for that. And again, when he sits the team continues to perform at a similar level.
The game was over after this. Wtf kind of defense is that. Like I said, Lebron ain't the Clippers, he and his team are so well coached that they will feast on this dumb shit all game. Malone is about to get outcoached again but it won't be by Vogel.
I'll be honest I don't have shit to say in regards to the game at this very second but I just thought you guys would be okay with me dropping off this bitch pic right quick.
But he's a light skinned superstar so all year long he's been projected as more valuable from Bron haters. They are promoting the AD came to LA to "save" Bron narrative ignoring the Pelicans had a worse record last year than the Lakers and AD wasnt happy there. Again, just being light skin with alot of talent >>>> LeBron's resume, leadership, ability to play in the West.
Anybody that watches the Lakers knows ADs game nosedives when Bron isnt there setting him up or taking focus away from defenses.
I dont have a problem with Giannis getting MVP, he had a great season. But its true the criteria and goalposts move. Posters that used to argue against the "Weak East" are suddenly cool with Giannis being a 2 time MVP over there with 0 Finals appearances. They also covet him as a FA, despite him playing in the East. Thats fine, I just think we have to admit that Steph and Harden have MVPs over Bron that are fraudulent and political. 2015 and 2018 to be exact. He had better seasons numbers wise and impact wise but was denied simply for playing in the East. Now those MVP awards will be viewed as Nash level. Fair enough.
Here a question for the y'all. If we take numbers completely out of the equation and just focus on guys that make their teams click, would anyone in here give Jimmy Buckets some MVP consideration.
Not saying that he should have won it by any means, just looking at the title 'Most Valuable Player'. Like if we remove the player, the team would go from contender to potential lottery team.
I absolutely love Bulter's game and I think he is the heart and soul of Miami. It sucks that numbers matter so much because Jimmy always sacrifices his numbers in the first three quarters in order to get his teammates going. So he'll probably never have the individual numbers to enter the MVP conversation. But he seems to pride himself on being the beating heart of any team that he's on.
I'm still hurt that Joel and Kat both failed to feed on his energy while they had him. So much wasted potential.
Not saying that he should have won it by any means, just looking at the title 'Most Valuable Player'. Like if we remove the player, the team would go from contender to potential lottery team.
I absolutely love Bulter's game and I think he is the heart and soul of Miami. It sucks that numbers matter so much because Jimmy always sacrifices his numbers in the first three quarters in order to get his teammates going. So he'll probably never have the individual numbers to enter the MVP conversation. But he seems to pride himself on being the beating heart of any team that he's on.
I'm still hurt that Joel and Kat both failed to feed on his energy while they had him. So much wasted potential.
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