You wanna talk "Tangibles" House Democrats to Pass Their Own Stimulus Bill Despite Ongoing Talks with Mnuchin

[geechiedan]

I support the Dems Heroes Act, but these fools need to do stand-alone bills. They can’t expect the Republicans to just bend over and take all that the Heroes Act entails. As of right now, the Dems are holding up progress for the American ppl, regardless if they have a better solution.

One question I do have is who is paying for this 3 trillion or 1 trillion? Are we just stacking up more debt and raising taxes later?

Homie the dems ain't holding up congress they're fighting for the things you voted for in their plan. The GOP doesn't want to compromise so it is where it is. How many times have we complained about how the dems always cave in. Where do we draw the line and say fuck that this is the deal....

Also as for who is paying for this 3 trillion or 1 trillion? again where does the money come from for the military and two endless wars for over a decade??? Where the money come from to bail out companies too big to fail??? NO ONE EVER ASKS THOSE QUESTIONS...

But when its bailing out the working class and working poor you know MOST OF US...suddenly everyone's a fiscal hawk??

 

[HeathCliff]

Also as for who is paying for this 3 trillion or 1 trillion? again where does the money come from for the military and two endless wars for over a decade??? Where the money come from to bail out companies too big to fail??? NO ONE EVER ASKS THOSE QUESTIONS...

But when its bailing out the working class and working poor you know MOST OF US...suddenly everyone's a fiscal hawk??

 

[neptunes007]

Homie the dems ain't holding up congress they're fighting for the things you voted for in their plan. The GOP doesn't want to compromise so it is where it is. How many times have we complained about how the dems always cave in. Where do we draw the line and say fuck that this is the deal....

Also as for who is paying for this 3 trillion or 1 trillion? again where does the money come from for the military and two endless wars for over a decade??? Where the money come from to bail out companies too big to fail??? NO ONE EVER ASKS THOSE QUESTIONS...

But when its bailing out the working class and working poor you know MOST OF US...suddenly everyone's a fiscal hawk??

The Dems have been holding up the funding since June because they want everything passed in one bill. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but even The Republicans were willing to give in to the demands to where they are willing to extend the benefits of the CARES ACT for another month until both parties could reach an agreement before they went on vacation. Sorry bro but the Dems want to prove a point and will do so at our expense. It’s always about brownie points. The Dems said no to extending the CARES benefits to the ppl for 1 month, but rather leave us in limbo until both parties reach one bill agreement...they are no different than the Republicans under Obama.

All the funding ppl have received during COVID came from stand alone bills or updates to the Stimulus package based upon what was need at the time. It doesn’t make sense to provide funding to departments if they are not high priority. If you read the actual document, The Heroes Act has funding going toward departments that are not high priority like arts, wildlife, parks and recreation...

 

[xfactor]

The Dems have been holding up the funding since June because they want everything passed in one bill. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but even The Republicans were willing to give in to the demands to where they are willing to extend the benefits of the CARES ACT for another month until both parties could reach an agreement before they went on vacation. Sorry bro but the Dems want to prove a point and will do so at our expense. It’s always about brownie points. The Dems said no to extending the CARES benefits to the ppl for 1 month, but rather leave us in limbo until both parties reach one bill agreement...they are no different than the Republicans under Obama.

All the funding ppl have received during COVID came from stand alone bills or updates to the Stimulus package based upon what was need at the time. It doesn’t make sense to provide funding to departments if they are not high priority. If you read the actual document, The Heroes Act has funding going toward departments that are not high priority like arts, wildlife, parks and recreation...

Looks like there are a lot of Colin Powell’s on BGOL but good to see brothas that can read more than a few paragraphs.

 

[geechiedan]

The Dems have been holding up the funding since June because they want everything passed in one bill. I’m not saying they shouldn’t, but even The Republicans were willing to give in to the demands to where they are willing to extend the benefits of the CARES ACT for another month until both parties could reach an agreement before they went on vacation. Sorry bro but the Dems want to prove a point and will do so at our expense. It’s always about brownie points. The Dems said no to extending the CARES benefits to the ppl for 1 month, but rather leave us in limbo until both parties reach one bill agreement...they are no different than the Republicans under Obama.

All the funding ppl have received during COVID came from stand alone bills or updates to the Stimulus package based upon what was need at the time. It doesn’t make sense to provide funding to departments if they are not high priority. If you read the actual document, The Heroes Act has funding going toward departments that are not high priority like arts, wildlife, parks and recreation...

seems to me like they're trying to get everything while the opportunity is here. Thats why the price tag is so high...3 trillion.

116th CONGRESS 2d Session

H. R. 6800

Making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2020, and for other purposes.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
May 20, 2020
Received
May 21, 2020
Read the first time
June 1, 2020
Read the second time and placed on the calendar
AN ACT
Making emergency supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2020, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as “The Heroes Act”.
SEC. 2. TABLE OF CONTENTS.

The table of contents for this Act is as follows:

DIVISION A—CORONAVIRUS RECOVERY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT, 2020

Title I—Agriculture, Rural Development, Food and Drug Administration, and Related Agencies
Title II—Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies
Title III—Financial Services and General Government
Title IV—Homeland Security
Title V—Interior, Environment, and Related Agencies
Title VI—Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies
Title VII—Legislative Branch
Title VIII—Department of State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs
Title IX—Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, and Related Agencies
Title X—General Provisions—This Division
DIVISION B—REVENUE PROVISIONS

Title I—Economic stimulus
Title II—Additional relief for workers
Title III—Net operating losses
DIVISION C—HEALTH PROVISIONS

Title I—Medicaid Provisions
Title II—Medicare Provisions
Title III—Private Insurance Provisions
Title IV—Application to Other Health Programs
Title V—Public Health Policies
Title VI—Public Health Assistance
Title VII—Other matters
DIVISION D—RETIREMENT PROVISIONS

Title I—Relief for Multiemployer Pension Plans
Title II—Relief for Single Employer Pension Plans
Title III—Other Retirement Related Provisions
DIVISION E—CONTINUED ASSISTANCE TO UNEMPLOYED WORKERS
DIVISION F—ASSISTANCE TO AGRICULTURAL PRODUCERS AND OTHER MATTERS RELATING TO AGRICULTURE

Title I—Livestock
Title II—Dairy
Title III—Specialty Crops and Other Commodities
Title IV—Commodity Credit Corporation
Title V—Conservation
Title VI—Nutrition
DIVISION G—ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS

Title I—Accountability
Title II—Census Matters
Title III—Federal Workforce
Title IV—Federal Contracting Provisions
Title V—District of Columbia
Title VI—Other Matters
DIVISION H—VETERANS AND SERVICEMEMBERS PROVISIONS
DIVISION I—SMALL BUSINESS PROVISIONS
DIVISION J—SUPPORT FOR ESSENTIAL WORKERS, AT-RISK INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES, AND COMMUNITIES

Title I—Family Care for Essential Workers
Title II—Pandemic Emergency Assistance and Services
Title III—Program Flexibility During the Pandemic
DIVISION K—COVID–19 HERO ACT

Title I—Providing Medical Equipment for First Responders and Essential Workers
Title II—Protecting Renters and Homeowners from Evictions and Foreclosures
Title III—Protecting People Experiencing Homelessness
Title IV—Suspending Negative Credit Reporting and Strengthening Consumer and Investor Protections
Title V—Forgiving Student Loan Debt and Protecting Student Borrowers
Title VI—Standing Up For Small Businesses, Minority-Owned Businesses, and Non-Profits
Title VII—Empowering Community Financial Institutions
Title VIII—Providing Assistance for State, Territory, Tribal, and Local Governments
Title IX—Providing Oversight and Protecting Taxpayers
DIVISION L—FAMILIES, WORKERS, AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT PROVISIONS

Title I—Amendments to Emergency Family and Medical Leave Expansion Act and Emergency Paid Sick Leave Act
Title II—COVID–19 Workforce Development Response Activities
Title III—COVID–19 Every Worker Protection Act of 2020
Title IV—Community and Family Support
Title V—COVID–19 Protections under Longshore and Harbor Workers’ Compensation Act
DIVISION M—CONSUMER PROTECTION AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS PROVISIONS

Title I—COVID–19 Price Gouging Prevention
Title II—E–Rate Support for Wi-Fi Hotspots, Other Equipment, and Connected Devices
Title III—Emergency Benefit for Broadband Service
Title IV—Continued Connectivity
Title V—Don’t Break Up the T–Band
Title VI—National Suicide Hotline Designation
Title VII—COVID–19 Compassion and Martha Wright Prison Phone Justice
Title VIII—Healthcare Broadband Expansion During COVID–19
DIVISION N—GIVING RETIREMENT OPTIONS TO WORKERS ACT
DIVISION O—EDUCATION PROVISIONS AND OTHER PROGRAMS

Title I—Higher Education Provisions
Title II—Other Programs
DIVISION P—ACCESS ACT
DIVISION Q—COVID–19 HEROES FUND

Title I—Provisions relating to State, Local, Tribal, and Private Sector Workers
Title II—Provisions relating to Federal employees and COVID–19
Title III—Coordination of benefits with other programs and laws
DIVISION R—CHILD NUTRITION AND RELATED PROGRAMS
DIVISION S—OTHER MATTERS

Title I—Health Care Access for Urban Native Veterans Act
Title II—Tribal School Federal Insurance Parity
Title III—PRC for Native Veterans Act
Title IV—Wildlife-Borne Disease Prevention
Title V—Pandemic Relief for Aviation Workers and Passengers
Title VI—Amtrak and Rail Workers
Title VII—Energy and Environment Provisions
Title VIII—Death and disability benefits for public safety officers impacted by COVID–19
Title IX—Victims of Crime Act Amendments
Title X—Jabara-Heyer NO HATE Act
Title XI—Prisons and Jails
Title XII—Immigration Matters
Title XIII—Coronavirus Relief Fund Amendments
Title XIV—Rural Digital Opportunity
Title XV—Foreign Affairs Provisions
Title XVI—Scientific Integrity Act
DIVISION T—ADDITIONAL OTHER MATTERS

if you could point out where that is to cuz I didn't see it among the links to titles.

 

[geechiedan]

here we are so far....out of 54 votes cast in the poll.....the HEROES ACT claims the vast majority. Thats not plantation thinking that's black people of all stripes and situations looking at the bullet points of the plan and saying this works for me.

The GOP plan has votes as well....and the black people who looked at that plan weren't agents or coons they said this works for me.

this is real-world real-time...there is no stimulus distribution because of the very things in these plans...

If you got more details then, by all means, POST IT...give us a bigger or clearer picture of what's going on...but also VOTE WHICH PLAN IS CLOSER TO YOUR IDEAL THEN WE CAN DISCUSS THE ISSUES.

if you refuse to do that then stay out of the thread becuz your not serious.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

I just want to say...

Anyone for the GOP

Plan...

Satan owns your soul..

And will consume you a slice at a time as you spit roast for eternity...



Those who support the Heros act...

Will find enlightment and live a life of joy and fulfillment for eternity....

FACTS

 

[geechiedan]

PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THE PERSON VOTED....IF NOT THEN PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THEIR SHIT. IF THEY DIDN'T PICK A PLAN CLOSEST TO WHAT THEY WANT THEN THEY'RE BULLSHITTERS NOT WORTHY OF DEBATING THE ISSUE. PERIOD.

 

[chilibrick]

fuck jason black and tariq....whats your vote on the issue?

i was one the people that went g.o.p. the dems added things that should be separate from main issues. don't get me wrong g.o.p. isn't that great, but i don't have a lot of problems with it.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

I just want to say...

Anyone for the GOP

Plan...

Satan owns your soul..

And will consume you a slice at a time as you spit roast for eternity...



Those who support the Heros act...

Will find enlightment and live a life of joy and fulfillment for eternity....

FACTS

So, a person disagrees with you and your political views and you go all Satanism on them?

This is why we can never have civil public discource in an effort to move us all forward. Its "you better agree with me or else."

Some of us didn't agree with either, but we
had that option to state that we didn't agree with either taken away. So, now we are forced to just choose something although we don't fully support it. Then, if you choose the nonpopular option, then you sre attacked. Why have a poll(or election) if you really only want people to just agree with you and will attack those who oppose your view? Sounds very totalitarian and fascist to me.

 

[chilibrick]

so our positions is based on what 2 do nothing talkingheads on YT think ?

say what you want about jason. he speaks hard truths. hard truths are things black people need to hear. people disagrees with him and their arguments all ways falls flat because they argue with emotions and not with facts.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

So, a person disagrees with you and your political views and you go all Satanism on them?

This is why we can never have civil public discource in an effort to move us all forward. Its "you better agree with me or else."

Some of us didn't agree with either, but we
had that option to state that we didn't agree with either taken away. So, now we are forced to just choose something although we don't fully support it. Then, if you choose the nonpopular option, then you sre attacked. Why have a poll(or election) if you really only want people to just agree with you and will attack those who oppose your view? Sounds very totalitarian and fascist to me.

EXACTLY....

At least somebody is looking out for the so called "heros" aka disenfranchised class...

Im not impoverished by any stretch of the imagination but I still empathize with fam

who needs that extra crumb the parasitic elite, sometimes let hit the bottom....

just like I dont have children but yet Im a strong advocate for all kinds of perks for parents with children,

especially from the god race...


and as far as the name calling...

lighten up francis

its just bgol swag....

how long you been here my good bruh??

 

[geechiedan]

So, a person disagrees with you and your political views and you go all Satanism on them?

This is why we can never have civil public discource in an effort to move us all forward. Its "you better agree with me or else."

Some of us didn't agree with either, but we
had that option to state that we didn't agree with either taken away. So, now we are forced to just choose something although we don't fully support it. Then, if you choose the nonpopular option, then you sre attacked. Why have a poll(or election) if you really only want people to just agree with you and will attack those who oppose your view? Sounds very totalitarian and fascist to me.

1. thank you for voting
2. its not about forcing you to agree with me its about getting people to understand that theyre making choices even when they PRETEND they don't.

You chose the GOP plan probably because it was more in line with your values, ideals and you most likely BENEFIT depending on how much you make and what your job or position is than you would with the Dem plan...THATS FINE..I GET THAT. I RESPECT THAT. But don't act like you're above the fray or you don't benefit from either side. That's bullshit!

NOW WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION...sans the name calling and all the deflection. Now if you wanna talk about why you chose one over the over and why that makes sense to you then we can come to an understanding and that's a mature conversation.

Otherwise all youre doing is sniping from a distance and pretending your perfect with all the answers and everyone else is fucked up and that's just bullshit.

Tell your buddies xfactor and mrfreddygoodbud when they choose a plan they can join the CONVERSATION too.

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

1. thank you for voting
2. its not about forcing you to agree with me its about getting people to understand that theyre making choices even when they PRETEND they don't.

You chose the GOP plan probably because it was more in line with your values, ideals and you most likely BENEFIT depending on how much you make and what your job or position is than you would with the Dem plan...THATS FINE..I GET THAT. I RESPECT THAT. But don't act like your above the fray or you don't benefit from either side. Thats bullshit!

NOW WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION...sans the name calling and all the deflection. Now if you wanna talk about why you chose one over the over and why that makes sense to you then we can come to an understanding and thats a mature conversation.

Otherwise all youre doing is sniping from a distance and pretending your perfect with all the answers and everyone else is fucked up and thats just bullshit.

Tell your boy xfactor when he makes a choice he can join the CONVERSTION too.

Uh I dont think he was replyin about you??

He was replying to relevance.. aka.. ME

 

[geechiedan]

PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THE PERSON VOTED....IF NOT THEN PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THEIR SHIT. IF THEY DIDN'T PICK A PLAN CLOSEST TO WHAT THEY WANT THEN THEY'RE BULLSHITTERS NOT WORTHY OF DEBATING THE ISSUE. PERIOD.

 

[gene cisco]

Voted for the dems plan, because who the fuck turns down all that stimulus money.

I feel sorry for people who needed this money. Pelosi did her best impression of Fred Flinstone at the negotiating table. Got them right where you want them, huh Nancy. It's like when she said back in March that state and local was coming. Bitch was hotter than fish grease when asked why she didn't use leverage then.

Mitch and them straight evil, but she like Ralph Kramden talking all that good shit and then has to come back begging for his job.

 

[geechiedan]

Voted for the dems plan, because who the fuck turns down all that stimulus money.

I feel sorry for people who needed this money. Pelosi did her best impression of Fred Flinstone at the negotiating table. Got them right where you want them, huh Nancy. It's like when she said back in March that state and local was coming. Bitch was hotter than fish grease when asked why she didn't use leverage then.

Mitch and them straight evil, but she like Ralph Kramden talking all that good shit and then has to come back begging for his job.

Pelosi released a statement about an hour later, blaming Republicans’ reluctance to compromise with Democrats on the budget for the next round of COVID-19-related assistance as the sole reason progress is at a standstill.

“Originally, House and Senate Democrats made clear we would be willing to cut a trillion dollars if the White House would add a trillion for a bill. In order to meet in the middle, we have now said we would be willing to go to 2.2 trillion to meet the needs of the American people,” Pelosi said.

Prior to the call, Pelosi also made it clear that she wasn’t entering into the conversation with high hopes for a fruitful discussion, telling Capitol Hill reporters that she was merely trying to be respectful of the fact that Meadows, who represents the President, requested the call.

Talks between the two sides remain at an impasse as both sides have dug in their heels when it comes to their respective pandemic relief packages. Today’s conversation was the first attempt to revive negotiations since they collapsed in early August.

Both sides have agreed that more aid is paramount to helping the country move forward from the pandemic, but they remain deadlocked on how to get there.

“Democrats are willing to resume negotiations once Republicans start to take this process seriously,” said Pelosi in her statement. “Lives, livelihoods and the life of our democracy are at stake.”


Republicans tried to provide a stop-gap measure in the form of an Aug. 18 draft for a “skinny” relief bill based on their HEALS Act. Their pared-down proposal included a $300 weekly unemployment benefit through December 27, a $121100 increase from the amount originally included in the HEALS Act.

But Democrats, led by Pelosi and Senate Democratic Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) roundly rejected the narrow proposal, remaining steadfast in their stance that anything less than resuming a $600-a-week unemployment benefit, as outlined in their version of a second stimulus package known as the HEROES Act, was unacceptable.

Stimulus Update: No Progress Today Despite Call Between Pelosi, White House

Despite a phone call between Speaker Pelosi and The White House that many hoped would rekindle negotiations on a second stimulus package, no progress was made.

www.forbes.com

you disagree that? mind you no one is talking any of the extraneous stuff in the bill the impasse seems to be whether to GRANT unemployed American taxpayers 600 or LESS in unemployment insurance.

Pelosi and many economists agreed that the 600 a week actually helped...

republicans say it was too generous and discourages people from finding work (where the jobs are is another issue apparently)

 

[Tito_Jackson]

Pelosi released a statement about an hour later, blaming Republicans’ reluctance to compromise with Democrats on the budget for the next round of COVID-19-related assistance as the sole reason progress is at a standstill.

“Originally, House and Senate Democrats made clear we would be willing to cut a trillion dollars if the White House would add a trillion for a bill. In order to meet in the middle, we have now said we would be willing to go to 2.2 trillion to meet the needs of the American people,” Pelosi said.

Prior to the call, Pelosi also made it clear that she wasn’t entering into the conversation with high hopes for a fruitful discussion, telling Capitol Hill reporters that she was merely trying to be respectful of the fact that Meadows, who represents the President, requested the call.

Talks between the two sides remain at an impasse as both sides have dug in their heels when it comes to their respective pandemic relief packages. Today’s conversation was the first attempt to revive negotiations since they collapsed in early August.

Both sides have agreed that more aid is paramount to helping the country move forward from the pandemic, but they remain deadlocked on how to get there.

“Democrats are willing to resume negotiations once Republicans start to take this process seriously,” said Pelosi in her statement. “Lives, livelihoods and the life of our democracy are at stake.”


Republicans tried to provide a stop-gap measure in the form of an Aug. 18 draft for a “skinny” relief bill based on their HEALS Act. Their pared-down proposal included a $300 weekly unemployment benefit through December 27, a $121100 increase from the amount originally included in the HEALS Act.

But Democrats, led by Pelosi and Senate Democratic Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) roundly rejected the narrow proposal, remaining steadfast in their stance that anything less than resuming a $600-a-week unemployment benefit, as outlined in their version of a second stimulus package known as the HEROES Act, was unacceptable.

Stimulus Update: No Progress Today Despite Call Between Pelosi, White House

Despite a phone call between Speaker Pelosi and The White House that many hoped would rekindle negotiations on a second stimulus package, no progress was made.

www.forbes.com

you disagree that? mind you no one is talking any of the extraneous stuff in the bill the impasse seems to be whether to GRANT unemployed American taxpayers 600 or LESS in unemployment insurance.

Pelosi and many economists agreed that the 600 a week actually helped...

republicans say it was too generous and discourages people from finding work (where the jobs are is another issue apparently)

Both sides are correct. Some people do need it. But for some, its more than they were making, so its better to not work and make more than work and make less. Ask anyone who has multiple employees. Its has been difficult to hire and keep people.

 

[geechiedan]

Both sides are correct. Some people do need it. But for some, its more than they were making, so its better to not work and make more than work and make less. Ask anyone who has multiple employees. Its has been difficult to hire and keep people.

wheres the work??

United Airlines to furlough as many as 2,850 pilots
Delta Air Lines to furlough nearly 2,000 pilots in October

That's not just the pilots out of work..if planes aren't flying then plane crews aren't working...if plane crews aren't working then grounds crews aren't working if that's the case then support staff gets reduced and so on. And that's just airlines. I worked at a museum...they didn't lay off people they TERMINATED the positions of nearly all the staff back in March. They're open now..but they didn't call back or rehire everyone because they don't need a full staff if they're only getting a fraction of visitors because of social distancing rules...

Do you watch sports? Do you see all those empty stadiums teams are playing in? guess what ALL those support staff and small businesses have FIRED those employees not furloughed or laid off and we'll call you back when its better...FIRED, TERMINATED, YOUR POSITION NO LONGER EXISTS HERE SO PLEASE GIVE BACK THE WORK BADGE. That's what's happening now. So to say 600 bucks is too much and incentivizes people to not look for work...my question is WHERES THE WORK???

 

[Tito_Jackson]

wheres the work??

Stop playing. There are several jobs out there. The problem is, everyone doesn't want to do the work that's available.

People want to be executives and don't know anything about business and/ or management. Some can barely use a computer. But, manual labor is beneath them.

And even with all those deficiencies, many still wont go to school to get trained in a skill. "School aint for me." Then an office job aint for you either.

This is why the immigration "problem" is such a fallacy. My wife used to provide teachers for migrant farmers children. We used to chat with the farm owners frequently. They all said the same, Americans refuse to do the work. They either won't apply. Or apply and don't so. Or apply, show, and don't come back after one day of work.

 

[gene cisco]

Pelosi released a statement about an hour later, blaming Republicans’ reluctance to compromise with Democrats on the budget for the next round of COVID-19-related assistance as the sole reason progress is at a standstill.

“Originally, House and Senate Democrats made clear we would be willing to cut a trillion dollars if the White House would add a trillion for a bill. In order to meet in the middle, we have now said we would be willing to go to 2.2 trillion to meet the needs of the American people,” Pelosi said.

Prior to the call, Pelosi also made it clear that she wasn’t entering into the conversation with high hopes for a fruitful discussion, telling Capitol Hill reporters that she was merely trying to be respectful of the fact that Meadows, who represents the President, requested the call.

Talks between the two sides remain at an impasse as both sides have dug in their heels when it comes to their respective pandemic relief packages. Today’s conversation was the first attempt to revive negotiations since they collapsed in early August.

Both sides have agreed that more aid is paramount to helping the country move forward from the pandemic, but they remain deadlocked on how to get there.

“Democrats are willing to resume negotiations once Republicans start to take this process seriously,” said Pelosi in her statement. “Lives, livelihoods and the life of our democracy are at stake.”


Republicans tried to provide a stop-gap measure in the form of an Aug. 18 draft for a “skinny” relief bill based on their HEALS Act. Their pared-down proposal included a $300 weekly unemployment benefit through December 27, a $121100 increase from the amount originally included in the HEALS Act.

But Democrats, led by Pelosi and Senate Democratic Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-NY) roundly rejected the narrow proposal, remaining steadfast in their stance that anything less than resuming a $600-a-week unemployment benefit, as outlined in their version of a second stimulus package known as the HEROES Act, was unacceptable.

Stimulus Update: No Progress Today Despite Call Between Pelosi, White House

Despite a phone call between Speaker Pelosi and The White House that many hoped would rekindle negotiations on a second stimulus package, no progress was made.

www.forbes.com

you disagree that? mind you no one is talking any of the extraneous stuff in the bill the impasse seems to be whether to GRANT unemployed American taxpayers 600 or LESS in unemployment insurance.

Pelosi and many economists agreed that the 600 a week actually helped...

republicans say it was too generous and discourages people from finding work (where the jobs are is another issue apparently)

Well, our economy is based on spending, so hell yeah it makes sense to give people money. The more, the better. I have no problem with $600, but republicans ain't going to do it. The $400 was REAL. Pelosi took the risk that shit would hit the fan if that $600 didn't come. So far, it didn't. Fugazi ass stock market still high while unemployment is under 10 percent.

And if we are being real, SOME people were discouraged from work with that 600. Who wouldn't be if they getting paid shit and the 600 gives the similar or better pay? I don't think Pelosi took in to consideration that people going to take some shit jobs.

If shit hold like this, gets slightly worse, or a little better, the republicans position is strengthened. In order for Pelosi to win, shit has to get much worse. Like the economists, I do think pulling the 600 a week out the economy is going to hurt, I just don't think it will hurt quick enough to help this batch of negotiations.

Seems like America is cool with 1000 dead per day. Maybe 2000 per day during flu season will move the needle.

What made the most sense was that bill that had the benefits tied to the data e.g., over 11 percent is 600, 10-11 is 500, 9-10, is 400, but republicans punk asses wouldn't do that either. In the absence of sense, you take the best deal. Bet folks wish they had that 400 now.

 

[geechiedan]

Well, our economy is based on spending, so hell yeah it makes sense to give people money. The more, the better. I have no problem with $600, but republicans ain't going to do it. The $400 was REAL. Pelosi took the risk that shit would hit the fan if that $600 didn't come. So far, it didn't. Fugazi ass stock market still high while unemployment is under 10 percent.

And if we are being real, SOME people were discouraged from work with that 600. Who wouldn't be if they getting paid shit and the 600 gives the similar or better pay? I don't think Pelosi took in to consideration that people going to take some shit jobs.

If shit hold like this, gets slightly worse, or a little better, the republicans position is strengthened. In order for Pelosi to win, shit has to get much worse. Like the economists, I do think pulling the 600 a week out the economy is going to hurt, I just don't think it will hurt quick enough to help this batch of negotiations.

Seems like America is cool with 1000 dead per day. Maybe 2000 per day during flu season will move the needle.

What made the most sense was that bill that had the benefits tied to the data e.g., over 11 percent is 600, 10-11 is 500, 9-10, is 400, but republicans punk asses wouldn't do that either. In the absence of sense, you take the best deal. Bet folks wish they had that 400 now.

science and data should be the determining factor in this situation. At some point, the pandemic will be declared over at which time the money stops plain and simple. That's how you solve that issue... At some point, all of it...pandemic/social distancing all of it has to come to an end and even tho people will still get sick and die the world has to move on. And at that point, we will move into a regular economic downturn which we experienced a decade ago and people dealt with it without special funds from the govt. But for right here...right now?? we're dealing with a pandemic and jobs are being lost because of it so the 600 dollars is necessary. And it's all going directly back into the economy anyway so what's the big deal?

 

[geechiedan]

Stop playing. There are several jobs out there. The problem is, everyone doesn't want to do the work that's available.

People want to be executives and don't know anything about business and/ or management. Some can barely use a computer. But, manual labor is beneath them.

And even with all those deficiencies, many still wont go to school to get trained in a skill. "School aint for me." Then an office job aint for you either.

This is why the immigration "problem" is such a fallacy. My wife used to provide teachers for migrant farmers children. We used to chat with the farm owners frequently. They all said the same, Americans refuse to do the work. They either won't apply. Or apply and don't so. Or apply, show, and don't come back after one day of work.

cmon dude..million of people have been fired..there aren't millions of jobs to compensate for them to step into...and yes a lot of Americans don't man manual labor jobs because they don't PAY ENOUGH....who the fuck but an immigrant coming from a 3rd world country or a failed state would work a job that pays 2 dollars an hour and no bathroom breaks...hell YOU wouldn't do that job.

 

[geechiedan]

IF YOU'RE JUST COMING INTO THE THREAD PLEASE VOTE IN THE POLL BEFORE RESPONDING!

but the nitty-gritty of the thread topic is to determine which of the two plans presented benefits the black community more? This is that tangibles issue people keep bringing up...

so looking at either plan and YOU had to recommend one or the other...which plan benefits the black community more?? (give you hint "neither" isn't an option we KNOW neither plan is perfect so don't even go there)




PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THE PERSON VOTED...IF NOT THEN PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THEIR POST. IF THEY DIDN'T PICK A PLAN CLOSEST TO WHAT THEY WANT THEN THEY'RE BULLSHITTERS NOT WORTHY OF DEBATING THE ISSUE. PERIOD.

 

[Tito_Jackson]

who the fuck but an immigrant coming from a 3rd world country or a failed state would work a job that pays 2 dollars an hour and no bathroom breaks...hell YOU wouldn't do that job.

If it came down to feeding my family and improving my family's outcomes, yes I would and have. I drove Uber while attending an Ivy league school. I worked overnight at UPS to earn extra money for investing and paying off our mortgage. When I was young I was the neighborhood lawn boy. I worked at McDonald's while in high school and eventually became a swing manager. When I got i to the corporate world they treated me like crap. The only black person and underrated at every turn. Staying later and arriving earlier than everyone was a regular occurrence. Work ethic.

People today have poor work ethic. Look at how they treat you at the drive through, like it's your fault they are there.

And yes, people from "3rd world countries " come and do the work because it pays the bills and it pays well. $15 - $20 an hour. plus there is no safety net for them. They can't get assistance. Its either you work or you starve. They stack up and buy houses and start businesses. Sometimes living with 10 people just to save money. Us? We gotta ball. New cars, but living in the projects. Hair, nails done every week. Gotta have the new Js or Yeezys. But, $10- $15 is beneath them for unskilled labor. You can not expect to get paid big money bringing little money skill to the table. This is exactly why robots and automation will happen sooner than later.

 

[geechiedan]

If it came down to feeding my family and improving my family's outcomes, yes I would and have. I drove Uber while attending an Ivy league school. I worked overnight at UPS to earn extra money for investing and paying off our mortgage. When I was young I was the neighborhood lawn boy. I worked at McDonald's while in high school and eventually became a swing manager. When I got i to the corporate world they treated me like crap. The only black person and underrated at every turn. Staying later and arriving earlier than everyone was a regular occurrence. Work ethic.

People today have poor work ethic. Look at how they treat you at the drive through, like it's your fault they are there.

And yes, people from "3rd world countries " come and do the work because it pays the bills and it pays well. $15 - $20 an hour. plus there is no safety net for them. They can't get assistance. Its either you work or you starve. They stack up and buy houses and start businesses. Sometimes living with 10 people just to save money. Us? We gotta ball. New cars, but living in the projects. Hair, nails done every week. Gotta have the new Js or Yeezys. But, $10- $15 is beneath them for unskilled labor. You can not expect to get paid big money bringing little money skill to the table. This is exactly why robots and automation will happen sooner than later.

what migrant farm work pays 15 -20 dollars an hour and not all black people are like that so stop that nonsense. As far as lyft and uber is concerned those workers are trying to UNIONIZE now because gig work is bullshit. And many people realize that...now it may work for SOME but others kinda like and need medical benefits and sick time and being able to qualify for unemployment if you lose your job. Those things shouldn't be an either or choice in a first world country.

 

[lazarus]

I get what youre saying but we're not gonna get past the tribal issue. People have their opinion about both parties based on what they can or are willing to do something that will help black people... There's talk of brainwashing, and plantations for dems and coonery and agentism for reps.


Well here are two plans laid out...BOTH have an effect on the Black Community..

WHICH PLAN DO YOU THINK IS BETTER FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND WHY?? IS ALL I'M ASKING FROM EVERYONE ON THE BOARD. OPEN QUESTION FOR EVERYONE!

dem plan.
but this is a reinforcement of voting local and for people in congress, not the president.
most ppl are still doing down ballot

 

[Tito_Jackson]

what migrant farm work pays 15 -20 dollars an hour and not all black people are like that so stop that nonsense. As far as lyft and uber is concerned those workers are trying to UNIONIZE now because gig work is bullshit. And many people realize that...now it may work for SOME but others kinda like and need medical benefits and sick time and being able to qualify for unemployment if you lose your job. Those things shouldn't be an either or choice in a first world country.

The average in California is $14.80 or $118 per day.

Trump is considering cutting farmworker pay during the crisis. Don't do it, California growers say

The Trump administration reportedly is considering a farmworker pay cut. But it would cause hardships for people already living on the edge of poverty. Growers say they would rather see the fed fund food banks and others so they can buy their food.

calmatters.org

In other areas like Florida, the Carolinas, Ohio, it can be more.

And stop it bro. I luv my people. But, you know many of us make poor decisions sometimes. Blame it on systemic racism or whatever, that fact is that it happens.

 

[geechiedan]

dem plan.
but this is a reinforcement of voting local and for people in congress, not the president. we dont vote in plans.
most ppl are still doing down ballot

please vote in the poll

 

[geechiedan]

The average in California is $14.80 or $118 per day.

Trump is considering cutting farmworker pay during the crisis. Don't do it, California growers say

The Trump administration reportedly is considering a farmworker pay cut. But it would cause hardships for people already living on the edge of poverty. Growers say they would rather see the fed fund food banks and others so they can buy their food.

calmatters.org

In other areas like Florida, the Carolinas, Ohio, it can be more.

And stop it bro. I luv my people. But, you know many of us make poor decisions sometimes. Blame it on systemic racism or whatever, that fact is that it happens.

so republicans are trying to cut farmworker pay...and we're back to tangibles... dude I worked at UPS myself and worked a part time job while being a full time care taker for a terminally ill parent. There are MANY black people who do what they have to do..in fact even in your own argument that teen with the bad attitude working fast food checkout IS working fast food check. They're doing what you did. So lets stop with that black people want something for nothing jazz.

 

[lazarus]

please vote in the poll

it doesnt make sense. i cant directly vote for a plan.

 

[geechiedan]

it doesnt make sense. i cant directly vote for a plan.

dem plan.
but this is a reinforcement of voting local and for people in congress, not the president.
most ppl are still doing down ballot

you did in your post...you may as well vote in the poll and solidify it otherwise there's no point in continuing the conversation. I've posted this many times in the thread...scroll up and see..

we can continue this convo after you vote in the poll homie.

PLEASE CHECK TO SEE IF THE PERSON VOTED....IF NOT THEN PLEASE DON'T RESPOND TO THEIR POST. IF THEY DIDN'T PICK A PLAN CLOSEST TO WHAT THEY WANT THEN THEY'RE BULLSHITTERS NOT WORTHY OF DEBATING THE ISSUE. PERIOD.

 

[geechiedan]

 

[veritech]

Where's the coons, agents buck dancers and trolls? Ghost town?

fixed.

BMOB doing the job.

 

[veritech]

yeah..ummm tito....gonna need you to get off the fence...homie. The third choice has been deleted... so pick a plan and defend your choice.

i gave that coon the benefit of the doubt at first. but i think that account is a fraud.