Congressional Black Caucus rips Justice Democrats "for targeting black lawmakers for primaries"
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I think this "ain’t got nothing but twitter" talk is an oft-repeated cop out. Of course there are bots and it's not totally representative, but it skews a bit into the realm of "ain't got nothing but people" (since most Twitter followers represent actual people). AOC does not get the coverage she does based simply on Twitter followers and she didn't get elected based off of that either. She has a lot of passionate supporters and I don't think a fair observer could deny that.
You make valid points regarding the need to build a voting coalition. I think primaries are a tool to work toward that. One problem with the Democratic Party is a failure to think beyond the next election-- reshaping the party can't happen in one cycle, but if the composition of Congress is significantly different ten years from now, nobody will look back and care about AOC's ability to build coalitions as a freshman lawmaker as part of a Congress where no significant legislation can be passed anyway. AOC's chief talent is shaping the narrative. She'll be a lot more influential under a President Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.
All of the criticism is directed at the leftist legislators but the centrists deserve greater ire IMO. Do you think Democrats running an explicitly "pro-Trump Democrat" against Mitch McConnell helps the Democratic brand? Republicans maintain complete solidarity when a president who they know is unstable tells minority lawmakers to go back to their countries. Democrats can't even achieve unity when it comes to the incredibly important subject of a Supreme Court nomination because of these "blue dog Dems." Whether or not that is a majority worth keeping is debatable. I'd rather lose these seats that Dems typically lose anyway and work to create a party with clearer principles as a broader strategy over focusing on short-term gains that devalue the Democratic brand in the long-term.
If I'm the Democratic establishment, when I see Joy Reid talking like this, I know I'm fucking up.
Unity? I’m sorry, is it the centrist Dems talking about primaries against progressive Dems or the other way around?
The far left Dems view of unity is “I’m right. You’re wrong. Agree with me or I’ll try to geg rid of you”. That’s not a very unifying.
And your last point is what got us Trump in the first place.
You’d rather lose, be in the minority, allow Trump to pack the courts, all in the name of some kind of progressive purity, believing that some day in the future most of the country will also be far left. Then and only then will you win and start with your agenda.
In the meanwhile, while waiting on your progressive panacea, you allow roe v wade to be reversed, all climate legislation to be reversed, all protections for minority populations to be removed, and the supreme court to be 6-3 or 7-2 conservative for the next 30-40 years.
But hey, at the Democratic brand wasn’t diluted and you didn’t sully yourself by supporting Dems you only agreed with 85% of the time instead of 100.
And AOC isn’t shaping any narrative. She’s talking. Her approval rating at last check was 28%. So the vast majority of people in the country don’t like her. But on twitter, she’s a star.
And Republicans sure do love fundraising off of her. She’s contributed millions to their coffers.
Once again, I’ll ask, what has she really done besides twitter clap backs and viral videos on social media?
You said yourself "She’s on track to be Bernie Sanders." It is now conventional wisdom that Bernie Sanders's 2016 ideas shaped the agenda for the entire Democratic presidential slate. So I think that contradicts your contention that she is not shaping any narrative. She's doing pretty well.
You continue to dismiss her influence-- "on twitter, she’s a star." My very first point in my last post was "Most Twitter followers represent actual people... She has a lot of passionate supporters and I don't think a fair observer could deny that." Yet you continue to dismiss her supporters as mere Twitter followers like they aren't real people. It makes me wonder if you're one of those old people who just dismiss and smear at newer things you just don't understand.
Lastly, I think "what has she done" is a pretty lame way to diminish someone who has barely been in office for a quarter of one term. Add to that the historic do-nothing nature of this Congress and it seems very empty.
Liz Cheney calls Ayanna Pressley's comments at Netroots Nation 'racist'
BY JOHN BOWDEN - 07/16/19
House Republican Conference Chairwoman Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) accused Rep. Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) on Tuesday of making "racist" remarks at a weekend event.
Speaking about Pressley's statement at Netroots Nation that the Democratic Party did not need "any more black faces that don’t want to be a black voice," Cheney argued it was "racist" to say that one's voice is "only legitimate" if the person "espouses some preapproved set of beliefs."
"Our colleagues are wrong when they tell Americans, as Congresswoman Pressley did just last weekend, that any individual seat at the table is only valuable, only legitimate if that person espouses some preapproved set of beliefs deemed appropriate based on their religion or their gender or their race," Cheney told reporters.
"When they say that, that is racist," she continued.
Pressley told the audience at the left-leaning Netroots Nation conference on Saturday that she was not interested in bringing "a chair to an old table," meaning that "diversity at the table doesn’t matter if there’s not real diversity in policy," according to a spokeswoman.
The Hill has reached out to Pressley's office regarding Cheney's comments.
Anybody in those districts they're looking to target have an opinion on the incumbents?
I see Hakeem Jefferies a lot, and he seems to be ready for prime time in terms of how he presents himself and handles the spotlight, but he's not my congressman, so I don't know what kind of job he is doing for NYC district ##.
I see Hakeem Jefferies a lot, and he seems to be ready for prime time in terms of how he presents himself and handles the spotlight, but he's not my congressman, so I don't know what kind of job he is doing for NYC district ##.
Democrats from +20 Clinton districts flailing against socialism on FOX News...
And voting with Trump 70% of the time.
This is toxic to the Democratic brand.
These people are way worse for the Democratic party than the Justice Dems.
Below originally posted Sept. 2016 https://www.bgol.us/forum/posts/16927463/
There are NO demands imposed upon the 2016 Billary Clinton restoration campaign, from elected Black Democratic Party politicians and affiliated officials like inept Democratic party functionary Donna Brazile.
Part of text Below Originally posted May 11th 2016
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?posts/16506525
Look at the picture above, these Black elected officials are all stuck in the 20th century.
They are not as bad as some over 80+ year old elders in my family who have never ever used an ATM machine, but they are close.
The people in the picture represent Black U.S. congressional leadership; they have no clue about what’s going on in their own districts that they represent, and —they have an even less idea about what’s going on nationally & internationally. But yet when Corporate $$$$$$$ America and their K-street lobbyists (who write most of our laws) comes to Washington D.C. to meet with “Black Leadership”— these are the neutered know-nothings that they meet.
If you remember the 1998 Warren Beatty movie “BULWORTH” which you can watch currently on NETFLIX the main character played by Beatty, U.S. Senator Bulworth speaks candidly about why Black American’s have very little local power and almost no National influence on law-making in Washington D.C.
In the 1998 film “Senator Bulworth” who is a Democratic politician answers a question at a press conference. He says:
Question:
We understand that the Democratic Party doesn’t care about the African-American community…
Senator Bulworth :
“Isn’t that obvious? Hey you got half your kids out-of-work and the other half in jail ¬ do you see any Democrat doing anything about it? Certainly not me! So what are you gonna do ¬ vote Republican? C’mon. C’mon you’re not going to vote Republican…
You need to call a spade a spade. I mean you can have a billion man march; if you don’t put down the malt-liquor and chicken wings and get behind somebody besides a running-back who stabs his wife ¬ you’re never going to get rid of somebody like me!”
http://www.rense.com/general95/bulworth.html
We understand that the Democratic Party doesn’t care about the African-American community…
Senator Bulworth :
“Isn’t that obvious? Hey you got half your kids out-of-work and the other half in jail ¬ do you see any Democrat doing anything about it? Certainly not me! So what are you gonna do ¬ vote Republican? C’mon. C’mon you’re not going to vote Republican…
You need to call a spade a spade. I mean you can have a billion man march; if you don’t put down the malt-liquor and chicken wings and get behind somebody besides a running-back who stabs his wife ¬ you’re never going to get rid of somebody like me!”
http://www.rense.com/general95/bulworth.html
Fictional character Senator Bulworth also talks about political campaign $$$$$$$$ money in this 1998 film, pointing out the reality that Black people give almost NO money to political campaigns and that all a Black or white politician has to do to get the Black vote is to visit a couple of the largest Black churches in a given voting district, stand on the podium with the pastor holding his hand up-in-the-air, the organ will play, the choir will sing, and — on election day the Black "church ladies" will flock to the polls and vote for the candidate with the (D) Democrat label.
This is now 2016 and little has changed from the situation depicted in the 1998 film Bulworth.......
Fast forward to today September 4, 2016. Democratic pollsters have found that the Billary Clinton Restoration project (the election of Hillary as POTUS) has weaker support among Black American voters under the age of 40 than they expected.
In other words the usual insipid vacuous homilies and photo opportunities at Black churches and the Martin Luther King memorial that passes for "Black outreach" when Democratic voters court the Black vote are properly being viewed as complete insulting Bullshit, by a significant percentage of Black voters under the age of 40. The alarm bells have gone off among Democratic pollsters.
"Oh my God, some of the Black vote are leaving the plantation; they demanding more than the lesser-of-two-evils-politics, vote for me cause I aint Trump"
Young Blacks Voice Skepticism on Hillary Clinton, Worrying Democrats
by Jonathan Martin | Sept 4, 2016 | http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/u...sm-on-hillary-clinton-worrying-democrats.html
WASHINGTON — When a handful of liberal advocacy organizations convened a series of focus groups with young black voters last month, the assessments of Donald J. Trump were predictably unsparing.
But when the participants were asked about Hillary Clinton, their appraisals were just as blunt and nearly as biting.
“What am I supposed to do if I don’t like him and I don’t trust her?” a millennial black woman in Ohio asked. “Choose between being stabbed and being shot? No way!”
“She was part of the whole problem that started sending blacks to jail,” a young black man, also from Ohio, observed about Mrs. Clinton.
“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
Young African-Americans, like all voters their age, are typically far harder to drive to the polls than middle-aged and older Americans. Yet with just over two months until Election Day, many Democrats are expressing alarm at the lack of enthusiasm, and in some cases outright resistance, some black millennials feel toward Mrs. Clinton.
Their skepticism is rooted in a deep discomfort with the political establishment that they believe the 68-year-old former first lady and secretary of state represents. They share a lingering mistrust of Mrs. Clinton and her husband over criminal justice issues. They are demanding more from politicians as part of a new, confrontational wave of black activism that has arisen in response to police killings of unarmed African-Americans.
“We’re in the midst of a movement with a real sense of urgency,” explained Brittany Packnett, 31, a St. Louis-based leader in the push for police accountability. Mrs. Clinton is not yet connecting, she said, “because the conversation that younger black voters are having is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative.”.........
But when the participants were asked about Hillary Clinton, their appraisals were just as blunt and nearly as biting.
“What am I supposed to do if I don’t like him and I don’t trust her?” a millennial black woman in Ohio asked. “Choose between being stabbed and being shot? No way!”
“She was part of the whole problem that started sending blacks to jail,” a young black man, also from Ohio, observed about Mrs. Clinton.
“He’s a racist, and she is a liar, so really what’s the difference in choosing both or choosing neither?” another young black woman from Ohio said.
Young African-Americans, like all voters their age, are typically far harder to drive to the polls than middle-aged and older Americans. Yet with just over two months until Election Day, many Democrats are expressing alarm at the lack of enthusiasm, and in some cases outright resistance, some black millennials feel toward Mrs. Clinton.
Their skepticism is rooted in a deep discomfort with the political establishment that they believe the 68-year-old former first lady and secretary of state represents. They share a lingering mistrust of Mrs. Clinton and her husband over criminal justice issues. They are demanding more from politicians as part of a new, confrontational wave of black activism that has arisen in response to police killings of unarmed African-Americans.
“We’re in the midst of a movement with a real sense of urgency,” explained Brittany Packnett, 31, a St. Louis-based leader in the push for police accountability. Mrs. Clinton is not yet connecting, she said, “because the conversation that younger black voters are having is no longer one about settling on a candidate who is better than the alternative.”.........
Now after you read the complete article above, ask yourself, who is the corporate controlled Democratic party going to send out to corrall young Black voters and bring them back to the Democratic Party 'plantation'????
Are the corporate controlled Black Democrats going to address the issues that concern young Black voters?? Hell NO!!
Democratic Candidates Were Told Not to Pledge Support for Black Lives Matter Policies, Hack Reveals
AUGUST 31, 2016 http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/hack_reveals_democratic_candidates_told_not_to_pledge_support_20160831
""Newly leaked documents show Democratic campaign officials (DLC & DCCC) advised U.S. House of Representatives candidates NOT to explicitly support “concrete policy solutions” proposed by the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement and to limit the number of activists invited to campaign appearances.
Among the advised tactics, Democrats were counseled to engage with Black Lives Matter activists and “listen to their concerns” but to do so at “personal or small group meetings.”
“If approached by BLM activists, campaign staff should offer to meet with local activists (NOT BLM),” the memo says. “Invited BLM attendees should be limited.”"
Among the advised tactics, Democrats were counseled to engage with Black Lives Matter activists and “listen to their concerns” but to do so at “personal or small group meetings.”
“If approached by BLM activists, campaign staff should offer to meet with local activists (NOT BLM),” the memo says. “Invited BLM attendees should be limited.”"
Hillary Clinton has never repudiated her and Bill's close friend disgraced Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel's statement that "Progressive voters are fucking retarded".
Hillary is seeking the endorsements of war criminals Henry Kissinger and Condi Rice.
Hillary already has the endorsement of war criminal and Iraq War architect Paul Wolfowitz.
Anybody still believing Hillary's transparently bogus public campaign pledge that she is a "Progressive"???
Hillary is a conservative warmongering corporate controlled Democrat; she answers to her $$$$$$$ donors; Wall Street, Silicon Valley, Hollywood (Corporate Media companies), Military contractors, 501c4 Dark Money (secret money, donors are NOT disclosed) .
The veneer, the cloak, that she and other conservative corporate Democrats use to present themselves as "progressive" or "liberals" are what Ralph Nader calls the groin issues. Privacy rights for woman (legal abortion), same sex marriage. Same sex marriage is now the SCOTUS upheld law of the land. With the death of SCOTUS justice Scalia, privacy rights for woman is in no danger.
Also Democrats support de facto reparations (affirmative action), belief in Government funded scientific research (stem cell research), acknowledgement of scientific fact (Climate Change/ Global Warming).
So given these realities, why is Hillary so loathe to actually embrace progressive values; especially economic, such as ending the special 15% tax for Wall street or fully embracing a $15 dollar minimum wage, and really opposing the TPP instead of bullshitting everyone by using the caveat that she's opposed to the TPP "the way it is currently written" ???
We will see which direction Hillary goes in these last about 70 days till the election. If Trump can solidify RepubliKlan base support from the about 78% support he has now to the traditional 90%— we'll know a lot more after the first Joint-Campaign-Appearance (the so-called debates) — then Hillary will have to reach out to the "fucking retarded progressive voters" if she wants to win with anything near the margins Obama got in 2008 & 2012 and turn the U.S. Senate into a Democratic party majority body. We will see!?!?
Can’t be. Democrats are the party of the black community and would never do anything other than promote more in the black community to participate in politics and take over more positions.
Talkin' all that shit...
Well, AOC got primaried, her district spoke and she got re-elected overwhelmingly.
Lol you're in for a long couple of decades bruh
Lmaaooo... 72.9% to 19.6%
Get your silly ass back to Trump Tower bitch!
There's a lot of big boomer energy on BGOL when it comes to AOC. I can almost smell the Ben Gay on some of these posts lol but I'm confident most folks here will get it eventually. She's no flash in the pan, all-sizzle-no-steak type. She's the real deal.
The Congressional Black Caucus chose to support an incumbent Elliott Engel, a white man, over his black challenger and Justice Democrat, Jamaal Bowman. Bowman founded a middle school in the Bronx while Engel was caught saying on mic that the only reason he made an appearance in the district his 1rst appearance since the pandemic began was because he was being primaried. Bowman is currently up 25% over Engel
prospect.org
theintercept.com
Eliot Engel, Jamaal Bowman, and the CBC
What is the point of the Congressional Black Caucus?
prospect.org
Jamaal Bowman Set to Oust Rep. Eliot Engel in Major Progressive Victory
As votes roll in, progressives in New York state are now poised to win a slew of primary victories.
theintercept.com
Lmaaooo... 72.9% to 19.6%
Get your silly ass back to Trump Tower bitch!
There's a lot of big boomer energy on BGOL when it comes to AOC. I can almost smell the Ben Gay on some of these posts lol but I'm confident most folks here will get it eventually. She's no flash in the pan, all-sizzle-no-steak type. She's the real deal.
What steak has she passed?
Yeah, this Bernie stan is rooting against black lawmakers, especially the new ones elected in New York:
"Bernie Sanders gave birth to candidates like me. I wouldn't be running if it weren't for him."
Wait...
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Systematic!
Seems like the Dems are making war on some of these people that you're rooting for by blinding supporting the Eliot Engels. Engel is so fucked up that a Republican PAC spent 100 grand supporting him with ads.
At least the Justice Dems aren't actively taking bribes in the form of millions of dollars in campaign contributions from people that they should be checking unlike Nancy Pelosi, Schumer, Klobachar,etc of the Democrats party. And they earn that money
In a rush to clap back the point went over your head. Instead of going scorched earth and never biden, I’m actually hoping those guys do well.
That’s you guys main problem. You think supporting another candidate is making war on you. Digging up a fake rape allegation is making war on someone.
Saying you’ll never vote for someone and are fine if that means Trump gets re-elected is waging war on someone.
The vast majority of us are voting for Biden in the general. "You guys" is unfair.
WTF are you even talking about?
Sorry, I'm a millennial, that's how we operate.
lmao
i should say rose twitter
You said
Supporting another candidate is not making war on someone. Rose twitter made all out war on Biden.
Posts of alleged voters like this are dangerous and why I always call out the luciferian liberals.
this poster is a vocal democrat and has no clue what the justice democrats do, likely no idea about politics in general other than “vote blue”
like I said before, these types of super liberals are no different than the MAGA trump supporters. They just wear a different color.
this poster is a vocal democrat and has no clue what the justice democrats do, likely no idea about politics in general other than “vote blue”
like I said before, these types of super liberals are no different than the MAGA trump supporters. They just wear a different color.
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