Joe Biden should select a progressive woman for VP, not Stacey Abrams

Which VP can deliver the mid-west? Clyburn delivered the Black vote for Biden, so he doesn't need a Black VP...that vote is secured. He has to pick someone who can secure votes they lost last time. They roughed up the MI governor, leaving Amy as perhaps the only choice.
 
With Stacy Adams, I think her inexperience is the real problem. In this race, the VP has never been more important because Biden is so old and likely wouldn't run for a second term. I think Kamala would be way better in that VP slot. And she gets a bad rap over the prosecutor role, but she has a really progressive voting record.
Black men won't vote for Kamala.
 
Black men won't vote for Kamala.

Not so much black men. Middle class white people will never trust a black person married to another race. Especially when her husband is Jewish It just looks like she will do anything for wealth and power.

It’s a much easier sell if she had a black husband.

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This is the Democrats' problem...right here in this thread; identity politics.

All politics are identity politics. That's essentially the core of politics. Every single presidential campaign at its core has been rooted in identity politics..some more than others.. Trump's entire campaign and presidency have been it.
 
Kamala is more progressive than Liz Warren? I guess you learn something everyday. The thing is that during the debates, Kamala was doing well, until they used her record as prosecutor against her. However, that is a play that cannot be of any use to Donald Trump.... Hmmmmmmmm. I bet Trump would try to use her Jamaican/ Indian heritage against her.

It shocked me too. Kamala is not only progressive... she's the second most progressive politician in ALL of congress. That's why I said she has a branding problem.
 
It shocked me too. Kamala is not only progressive... she's the second most progressive politician in ALL of congress. That's why I said she has a branding problem.

Kamala is a terrible pick. She has no real hype or charisma. She might get some black women on board but black women Vote 95% for democrats anyways.

Plus she will get a lot hate from women. Women will never admit it but they are low key jealous especially white feminist women. There is no way they will let a black women make history before them.

Im mean look at Hilary Clinton, more white women voted for trump. If white women voted the way they did for Obama. Hilary would be president.
 
Black men won't vote for Kamala.

On paper, she is the perfect candidate (Greek, HBCU Grad, unique personal story etc.) and should have walked away with the nomination. The fact that she really struggled should give him some pause about selecting her. There is also something odd about her because she seems way more popular with Asian/White/Latina women than Black women. Not my first choice at all but im voting for whoever can help get Trump's bitch ass out of the WH. :lol:
 
All politics are identity politics. That's essentially the core of politics. Every single presidential campaign at its core has been rooted in identity politics..some more than others.. Trump's entire campaign and presidency have been it.
That's not only politics but everyday life. That's how you get a situation like Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Ahmaud Arbery, Philando Castile, etc...being shot and killed by people that do not relate to them.
 
On paper, she is the perfect candidate (Greek, HBCU Grad, unique personal story etc.) and should have walked away with the nomination. The fact that she really struggled should give him some pause about selecting her. There is also something odd about her because she seems way more popular with Asian/White/Latina women than Black women. Not my first choice at all but im voting for whoever can help get Trump's bitch ass out of the WH. :lol:

Because most of those whites that love her. Are the in the LGBT mafia. Kamala even has pronouns she/her in her BIO. They like to use black candidates to push there agenda so if anybody objects you can always scream racism.

I honestly think they should pick Cuomo so swing voters can feel comfortable. I can understand not picking Bernie because he is so old.

You pick a Women Candidate. Welcome to another 4 years of trump. You can count on it
 
If you want to go corporate safe pick pick Cuomo but

If the democrats pick Bernie Sanders as VP it would be game over and it would lit the base up.

Trump even admit in a secret recording that if Hilary had picked Bernie Sanders as VP. He would have lost the election. A lot of independents and swing voters would have voted for her.


If he picked Sanders, white women would feel played and betrayed. Sanders would have been a wonderful pick if Joe had not boxed himself into a corner by saying he would pick a woman. He made that bed, now he is gonna have to lie on it.
 
All politics are identity politics. That's essentially the core of politics. Every single presidential campaign at its core has been rooted in identity politics..some more than others.. Trump's entire campaign and presidency have been it.
When identity takes precedence over substance and message, you get the same type of conflict that led to the election of the clown-in-chief that we have now. The democrats have let the fringe left become the voice much in the same way that the alt-right has taken over the republicans. All of the in-fighting on who's face should be out front has overtaken pushing a collective message and forward movement.
That needs to come to a halt with the quickness.
BTW, Biden was a fool to make a public promise like that on the spot. He should have said that he promised to choose the best running mate for the party. It just proves that politicians are full of shit.
 
A woman could do Joe a big favour by declining his offer. He then have satisfied his promise to offer the woman a position, and could thereafter take a look at Andrew Cuomo or Bernie Sanders.
 
Biden was a fool to make a public promise like that on the spot. He should have said that he promised to choose the best running mate for the party. It just proves that politicians are full of shit.
He was in trouble, drowning against Sanders and was clutching at any straw he could reach. In retrospect, it was a terrible tactic
 
If he picked Sanders, white women would feel played and betrayed. Sanders would have been a wonderful pick if Joe had not boxed himself into a corner by saying he would pick a woman. He made that bed, now he is gonna have to lie on it.

Maybe white feminist but regular women don’t give a fuck. It’s all about policy and if your likable. Being a women did not help Hilary Clinton win a election.

Just like when these white democrats tried to throw Kamala Harris and Corey Booker. Black voters did not vote for them. We can tell there were fake as hell and we got delusional after Obama did not do shit for the black community.
 
Maybe white feminist but regular women don’t give a fuck. It’s all about policy and if your likable. Being a women did not help Hilary Clinton win a election.

Just like when these white democrats tried to throw Kamala Harris and Corey Booker. Black voters did not vote for them. We can tell there were fake as hell and we got delusional after Obama did not do shit for the black community.
Clinton was a terrible Democrat. By instict and heritage, she was a Ronald Reagan Republican who only became a Democrat on account of her husband. That woman never saw a war she did not like, and Obama used that against her to great effect in 2008. She then engineered a war in Libya that backfired against her when she contested Trump in 2016. Her record was also checkered with questionable pandering to Wall Street that Bernie exposed and attempted to capitise on, and that Trump, in a hypocritical irony, then made into his own weapon against her. As if this was not enough, when she might have won, James Comey decided to tip the election against her by announcing a bogus inquiry involving a laptop computer, that he only lifted 3 days before polling day, and thereby cost her the presidency. Clinton was the worst candidate possible, but even then, had she abandoned the delusion of winning GA and AZ, and concentrated on MI and WI, she would be president. Let us not forget that Trump won this election by about 100, 000 contested votes.
 
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He was in trouble, drowning against Sanders and was clutching at any straw he could reach. In retrospect, it was a terrible tactic

How was Biden in trouble and drownings against Sanders? He had already clobbered Sanders and it was Sanders who was drowning and in trouble.
 
If you want to go corporate safe pick pick Cuomo but

If the democrats pick Bernie Sanders as VP it would be game over and it would lit the base up.

Trump even admit in a secret recording that if Hilary had picked Bernie Sanders as VP. He would have lost the election. A lot of independents and swing voters would have voted for her.




She would of easily won with Sanders as her VP pick
 
That's not only politics but everyday life. That's how you get a situation like Trayvon Martin, Tamir Rice, Ahmaud Arbery, Philando Castile, etc...being shot and killed by people that do not relate to them.

yep
 
When identity takes precedence over substance and message, you get the same type of conflict that led to the election of the clown-in-chief that we have now.

It's hard to find a campaign that isn't rooted in identity politics. That's literally what politics is at its root. Name the last presidential campaign that didn't have identity at its root. Identity is how you attach yourself to people emotionally. The actual politics are often secondary. You have fundamental political messaging that leans towards what people are polling to care about politically and economically and then overriding emotional pushes that almost always appeal to the identity of the voter you're trying to sway. Literally, that was Trump's entire campaign.

The democrats have let the fringe left become the voice much in the same way that the alt-right has taken over the republicans.

If this was true, Biden wouldn't have won the nomination.

BTW, Biden was a fool to make a public promise like that on the spot. He should have said that he promised to choose the best running mate for the party. It just proves that politicians are full of shit.

He was going to do it anyway. Why not just use it to your advantage as early as possible. The midterm elections were primarily driven by women coming out in record numbers to vote. A record number of women won seats in Congress. It's smart "identity" politics.
 
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Joe Biden doesn't have the black vote locked in. Hell I'm voting for that fool.

I am seeing a lot of African immigrants living in the South with their white slave owning kin folk supporting Joe Biden which is a red flag for me. This could be their new hustle after slavery was abolished and they could not trade with the white man.
 
If he picked Sanders, white women would feel played and betrayed. Sanders would have been a wonderful pick if Joe had not boxed himself into a corner by saying he would pick a woman. He made that bed, now he is gonna have to lie on it.

On paper it sounds great, but you can't do it. Bernie is too old. You need a VP that can also become POTUS because of the age of the
presidential candidate. It was a mistake for Hillary not to choose Bernie in 2016 but that was never going to happen because of the way they campaigned against each other. It would equally a mistake to get Bernie on the ticket this year. Right now, Biden needs to get black people and women out to vote. Bernie doesn't help with either.
 
When identity takes precedence over substance and message, you get the same type of conflict that led to the election of the clown-in-chief that we have now. The democrats have let the fringe left become the voice much in the same way that the alt-right has taken over the republicans. All of the in-fighting on who's face should be out front has overtaken pushing a collective message and forward movement.
That needs to come to a halt with the quickness.
BTW, Biden was a fool to make a public promise like that on the spot. He should have said that he promised to choose the best running mate for the party. It just proves that politicians are full of shit.

In what world is Joe "milquetoast" Biden part of the fringe left? :lol:
 
It's hard to find a campaign that isn't rooted in identity politics. That's literally what politics is at its root. Name the last presidential campaign that didn't have identity at its root. Identity is how you attach yourself to people emotionally. The actual politics are often secondary. You have fundamental political messaging that leans towards what people are polling to care about politically and economically and then overriding emotional pushes that almost always appeal to the identity of the voter you're trying to sway. Literally, that was Trump's entire campaign.



If this was true, Biden wouldn't have won the nomination.



He was going to do it anyway. Why not just use it to your advantage as early as possible. The midterm elections were primarily driven by women coming out in record numbers to vote. A record number of women won seats in Congress. It's smart "identity" politics.
I agree with most of this, however, in the social media era where everyone wants to represent and be represented, people are riding more on identity than policy and that is one of the big mistakes. "Pick me because I'm black" or "pick me because I have a vagina" is not sound reasoning and if that becomes the primary factor, then its easy to topple something with such a weak foundation.
People do tend to vote for who they connect with emotionally. Yes. You are correct there.
In the past, the emotional connection was used as a vehicle to get the placement of a candidate who would enforce and sign into law policies that were the foundation of the organization represented.
That has been shattered and if it becomes the foundation, it weakens the base of the party and allows the opposition to take over at the mid terms of the next election.
I honestly should bow out of this convo. I have very little interest in politics and don't believe in the system anyway. It was good hearing and understand your perspective. It don't matter how you get there as long as you get there. The question that remains is who's gonna do what they say they will do when they get in the position to do it?
I suspect none will.
 
In what world is Joe "milquetoast" Biden part of the fringe left? :lol:
I was speaking of the voices demanding representation. Dems are weak as shit now. Joe is old school politics. Dems are trying to re-write their image into the PC party and that's where things fall apart.
None of those old fuckers should be in the running. Its just the baby boomer generation's refusal to step down. They hate relinquishing power. They seem to believe they are the only ones capable of making sound decisions.
 
Warren is the only candidate for VP that Progressives (who vote) will give a second look.

I personally thought Elizabeth Warren was far and away the best presidential candidate in the 2020 field. In terms of vision for the country, intellectual ability, progressive ideas for the future, and having a history of fighting on behalf of working people and actually getting some things accomplished (i.e. her work with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) nobody else really came close to her, in my mind. I like the idea of having someone with that ability and that track record one step away from the big chair, especially with Joe Biden, who healthwise reminds me of Ronald Reagan in his second term when he was clearly displaying early onset alzheimers. Plus, we are going to need progressive voters in November, and we already have a problem with Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, who frankly, they hate almost as much as Donald Trump. At least with Elizabeth Warren, you have a shot at getting more of this group, even though they are salty with her right now for not backing Bernie. Yet, she is undeniably progressive. They will not, on the other hand, support a Kamala Harris, who they view as a corporate-controlled, establishment puppet.

One problem now is the Black female intelligentsia has wrapped their arms around Stacey Abrams, and they are already putting great pressure on Biden to make her his choice. She is undeniably talented and very capable, but, other than getting cheated by Brian Kemp, what does anyone out of Georgia really know about her? I just don't think she is what we need right now. Other than Elizabeth Warren, the other name I like A LOT is Susan Rice, even though the progressive camp would probably view her much like they view Kamala Harris.
 
Because the white woman let Trump run on her left, and had too many skeletons in her closet. Even then, she was going to win, until James Comey put his thumb on the scale.
Naw she suffered from what helped her the most....having the last name Clinton and also she suffered from sexism
 
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I personally thought Elizabeth Warren was far and away the best presidential candidate in the 2020 field. In terms of vision for the country, intellectual ability, progressive ideas for the future, and having a history of fighting on behalf of working people and actually getting some things accomplished (i.e. her work with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) nobody else really came close to her, in my mind. I like the idea of having someone with that ability and that track record one step away from the big chair, especially with Joe Biden, who healthwise reminds me of Ronald Reagan in his second term when he was clearly displaying early onset alzheimers. Plus, we are going to need progressive voters in November, and we already have a problem with Joe Biden at the top of the ticket, who frankly, they hate almost as much as Donald Trump. At least with Elizabeth Warren, you have a shot at getting more of this group, even though they are salty with her right now for not backing Bernie. Yet, she is undeniably progressive. They will not, on the other hand, support a Kamala Harris, who they view as a corporate-controlled, establishment puppet.

One problem now is the Black female intelligentsia has wrapped their arms around Stacey Abrams, and they are already putting great pressure on Biden to make her his choice. She is undeniably talented and very capable, but, other than getting cheated by Brian Kemp, what does anyone out of Georgia really know about her? I just don't think she is what we need right now. Other than Elizabeth Warren, the other name I like A LOT is Susan Rice, even though the progressive camp would probably view her much like they view Kamala Harris.

I honestly think that had Biden not messed up and said he was going to select a woman, we would be talking about the strength of the Biden/Sanders "cabinet of rivals" unity ticket. :lol: As much as I like Warren, it has to be a Black woman. The problem, as you correctly point out, is that the available choices are inexperienced (Abrams) or too establishment (Rice, Harris). The elephant in the room is that I have seen zero enthusiasm for Harris from Black women and I think it has do with her Husband and the Mayor Brown thing. On paper, Harris or Booker should have easily walked away with the nomination and they didn't for a reason. However this ends up playing out, I am ready for the Orange idiot to be gone so I will back the ticket regardless...
 
A woman could do Joe a big favour by declining his offer. He then have satisfied his promise to offer the woman a position, and could thereafter take a look at Andrew Cuomo or Bernie Sanders.
The only woman of the top 15 to decline is Michelle.
 
I agree with most of this, however, in the social media era where everyone wants to represent and be represented, people are riding more on identity than policy and that is one of the big mistakes. "Pick me because I'm black" or "pick me because I have a vagina" is not sound reasoning and if that becomes the primary factor, =

I don't think that's what it really is though. It's "I'm your base (especially black woman) so put someone on the ticket that I feel can understand my
socio-economic problems and relate that into policy". It's "there are black people and women who are just as talented and capable of winning votes and governing" as white men and we want them on the ticket. That's the "Obama coalition". Black women aren't saying put Kamala on the ticket only because she's black. They're saying she's just as capable (and maybe even moreso) and Warren, etc and if you want us to come out in big numbers (and dems win when black folks come out in big numbers) get someone like me on the ticket.

They're not saying pick me because I'm black or a woman. They're saying don't ignore me because I'm black or a woman. I don't understand how yall don't get that. The Dems courted more capable black candidates (mainly women) and then generally more women and they fucking washed the GOP in the midterms. If you want these groups to show up, court people on the tickets that understand their issues. That's all it is. I'm shocked the way you're framing it. The Rooney Rule isn't about just getting black coaches. It's about capable black coaches not getting opportunities and lessor qualified white counterparts do.

I'm surprised that a black person would even frame it like that.
 
I personally thought Elizabeth Warren was far and away the best presidential candidate in the 2020 field. In terms of vision for the country, intellectual ability, progressive ideas for the future, and having a history of fighting on behalf of working people and actually getting some things accomplished (i.e. her work with the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau) nobody else really came close to her, in my mind.

Easily.
Biden told her in 2016 that if he ran then and won the nomination, he'd like her to be his VP so I do think there is still a great chance he selects her.
 
There is this myth that if democrats put a black person on the ticket that they will come out in droves.

This is not 2008. Most blacks I talk too are not even hyped about this election. Also I don’t hear to many blacks complain about trump like they did in 2017 or 2018. It seems like after 2019 shit died down. especially since they got there $1200 check. Most blacks that I talk too is like “whatever”

I guess they feel like nothing is going to change in there neighborhood or life. But we will see if they can get blacks too turn out like in 2008. I highly doubt it. Biden is just to boring and uninspiring.
 
I knew about that mass shooting for awhile but did not say anything, hoping this nightmare would go away.

We need term limits, if you serve in one administration at cabinet or VP, you can't run for President or be involved with the Party leadership. We are about to have 50 years of the Obama administration which is crazy. He already got his Secretary of Labor running the DNC. His VP will be President.

We need to bring in fresh blood and purge them out. Through his proxies, he is trying to be President for Life.
 
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