Universal Basic Income and Universal Health Care don't look so bad now huh??

thats funny because there are other countries dealing with it better....maybe because they were more proactive early on. Do you think??


In what world would Hillary shutdown the pandemic task force then call the shit a political hoax then say publicly go to work etc...

trump at BEST gets HALF CREDIT for the flight ban but the shits HERE ANYWAY so big whoop. The REAL fight was being prepared for WHEN IT GETS HERE NOT TRYING TO STOP IT FROM GETTING HERE! that was never going to happen and you know this. Again LESSONS LEARNED FROM H1N1 AND EBOLA.

WATCH A MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE BURN DOWN (KNOWING FULLY WELL U COULD'VE STOPPED IT ) THEN GIVE THE SURVIVING OCCUPANTS $10K AND AN UMBRELLA , THEN GO ON VICTORY LAP ABOUT HOW GREAT A CRISIS MANAGER U ARE!
i think at this point ...UalreadyKnow.. .... ...
 
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thats funny because there are other countries dealing with it better....maybe because they were more proactive early on. Do you think??

In what world would Hillary shutdown the pandemic task force then call the shit a political hoax then say publicly go to work etc...

trump at BEST gets HALF CREDIT for the flight ban but the shits HERE ANYWAY so big whoop. The REAL fight was being prepared for WHEN IT GETS HERE NOT TRYING TO STOP IT FROM GETTING HERE! that was never going to happen and you know this. Again LESSONS LEARNED FROM H1N1 AND EBOLA.

The other countries "dealing with it better" don't have the mix of people and cultures we have. The don't have the same systems of government. What works for them isn't guaranteed to work for us, but I do think we should be looking at what countries that are getting it under control are doing.

He saved thousands of lives- big whoop. Ok, I guess.

This is NOT H1N1 or Ebola - its much easier to spread, don't u get that? Why wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to stop it from getting here? At least slow it. The less infected people coming here, the easier it is to track the carriers and clusters. Yes, they were ALL caught flatfooted when it got here, and thats a failure from the bottom to the top.
 
The other countries "dealing with it better" don't have the mix of people and cultures we have. The don't have the same systems of government. What works for them isn't guaranteed to work for us, but I do think we should be looking at what countries that are getting it under control are doing.

He saved thousands of lives- big whoop. Ok, I guess.

This is NOT H1N1 or Ebola - its much easier to spread, don't u get that? Why wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to stop it from getting here? At least slow it. The less infected people coming here, the easier it is to track the carriers and clusters. Yes, they were ALL caught flatfooted when it got here, and thats a failure from the bottom to the top.

no other countries are dealing with it BETTER because they were more proactive period:

On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.

Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question and the key to the Trump administration’s failure to provide enough tests to identify the coronavirus infections before they could be passed on, according to POLITICO interviews with dozens of viral-disease experts, former officials and some officials within the administration’s health agencies.

The slowness of the testing regimen — which, administration officials acknowledged this week, is still not producing enough tests to meet the national demand — was the first, and most sweeping, of many failures. So far there have been confirmed cases in at least 23 states, and at least 15 deaths, while the stock market plunged and an otherwise healthy economy braced for a major disruption.



so all that shit you just ripped off about mixed people and cultures is bullshit and you know it.

And yep a failure from top to bottom.... of the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. Just as trump and the right said the response to H1N1 was a failure of the Obama Administration. Trump wants to take the credit when shit goes well but wants to pass the buck when shit goes sideways and people like YOU enable that.

And we don't know how much more easily the thing is spread vs past pandemics because the data is still in the beginning phase of being collected and measured.

He saved thousands of lives- big whoop. Ok, I guess. yes because he then turned around and put thousands more at risk with his fuckedup messaging and flatfooted response once it got here.
 
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He saved thousands of lives- big whoop. Ok, I guess
yeah teh $10k cheques to a victim of burned down house he couldve saved! when he was on TV calling it a dem hoax ! saying the numbers are going down ! WASTING VALUABLE TIME!! HAVING TWITTER FINGER BEEFS WHILE THE VIRUS SPREADS! barring the CDC director from speaking in public at first ! yeah we should be praising Trump unlike that obama dude !
THESE PEOPLE I TELL YA
 
And we don't know how much more easily the thing is spread vs past pandemics because the data is still in the beginning phase of being collected and measured.

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What? We have data on how fast this is spreading FROM ACROSS THE WORLD. Come on, bruh.

Unlike you and many others, I don't care to feed into partisan blame when the entire world is dealing with a PANDEMIC. Not for Obama or Trump.

Of course you think "your guy" did better and would do better. We don't have your guy. We got what we got.
 
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What? We have data on how fast this is spreading FROM ACROSS THE WORLD. Come on, bruh.

Unlike you and many others, I don't care to feed into partisan blame when the entire world is dealing with a PANDEMIC. Not for Obama or Trump.

Of course you think "your guy" did better and would do better. We don't have your guy. We got what we got.
but we don't have data from across the US because we don't have enough tests (the slowest response compared to others) so we all have barricade ourselves in our houses for the next few weeks because no one has handle on what the fuck is going on here.

and I don't care that you don't play the partisan game...trump does and since he takes all the credit when things go right....HE GETS ALL THE BLAME WHEN SHIT GOES WRONG. That orange fuck can't have it both ways.
 
but we don't have data from across the US because we don't have enough tests (the slowest response compared to others) so we all have barricade ourselves in our houses for the next few weeks because no one has handle on what the fuck is going on here.

and I don't care that you don't play the partisan game...trump does and since he takes all the credit when things go right....HE GETS ALL THE BLAME WHEN SHIT GOES WRONG. That orange fuck can't have it both ways.

So.....Trump is doing what every politician has done since.....forever? That's why your mad? As if politicians before Obama weren't blamed for anything by the other side.
 
yeah teh $10k cheques to a victim of burned down house he couldve saved! when he was on TV calling it a dem hoax ! saying the numbers are going down ! WASTING VALUABLE TIME!! HAVING TWITTER FINGER BEEFS WHILE THE VIRUS SPREADS! barring the CDC director from speaking in public at first ! yeah we should be praising Trump unlike that obama dude !
THESE PEOPLE I TELL YA

Exactly. We don't praise arsonists for later helping with fighting fires they started... :smh:
 
Doesn't Italy have universal health care? :confused:I believe they are doing triage over there and letting people die. Italy has a top 10 ranked healthcare system and has over 2000 dead from over 25000 CONFIRMED infections.

Are we sure we playing politics right with this one?
Yeah this guy didn't think this one through.
 
So.....Trump is doing what every politician has done since.....forever? That's why your mad? As if politicians before Obama weren't blamed for anything by the other side.
naw this is different dude... I'm 50 years old and since I've been conscious of presidents there has NEVER been one that has said the shit this fucker has..

NOT Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 and Obama....7 presidents in 45 years...NOT ONE has ever uttered the statement I DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. That is fucking unprecedented in the history of US Presidents in the modern era.

The nigga is fouler than even nixon and you know it.
 
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We are 10-11 days behind Italy and have similar numbers despite severe under testing here. Italy had around 5,000+ cases on March 6 which is where we are now. We will know for sure how fucked we are in a week or so.
 
Obama's pandemic team were on the job DAILY WEEKLY DOING UPDATES

LITERALLY MONITORING EVERY REGION WORLDFUKKINGWIDE EVERY FUKKIN DAY WEEK COS IT WAS THEIR JOB !!

NOT monthly not yearly but DAILY!!

which means they would've been on the job 3MONTHS AGO!!

yeah hail.the frog emperor for saving hundreds of thousands in salaries to NEEDLESS JOBS
While he bankrupted the CIA AND SECRET SERVICE AND OVER RAN THEIR YEARLY BUDGET TO THE TINES OF A 100MILLION$$$ PLAYING GOLF!!
 
DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY

Yeah tell him his FROG EMPEROR is doing what every president has ever done !! Sure thing buddy!!
ON NATIONAL TV !!
Saying " I DON'T TAKE RESPONSIBILITY"
WHILE THE WHOLE FUKKING WORLD WATCHES!!
SURE YEAH is this the new "BOTH SIDES" = EVERY PRESIDENT ?
 
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These fukkers were considering whether to charge people for test kits & treatment!!! ( copays and uninsured alike ! As if the uninsured wont infect the general populace !!
Make it make sense
 
These fukkers were considering whether to charge people for test kits & treatment!!! ( copays and uninsured alike ! As if the uninsured wont infect the general populace !!
Make it make sense

Even if they don't charge people for the actual test, people are still going to be charged for their hospital stay/treatment.
 
Wouldn'ta mattered because China. :dunno:

yeah it would have...

Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.

Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question
 
This is NOT H1N1 or Ebola - its much easier to spread, don't u get that? Why wouldn't you want to do everything in your power to stop it from getting here? At least slow it
which is why he shouldnt have closed the pandemic dept then get caught flat footed in a LIE that he didnt know about it and claim HE ISNT RESPONSIBLE and DECLINE W.H.O. TEST KITS @ MONTHS AGO!
THEN CALL IT A DEM HOAX !
then go on TWITTER BEEFS EVERYDAY while Rome is burning INSTEAD OF LEADING US OUTTA THE DEEP SHIT !
 
yeah it would have...

Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.

Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question
bruh ! i see we dealing with a huge gulf here...im glad they all exposing themselves!
 
Even if they don't charge people for the actual test, people are still going to be charged for their hospital stay/treatment.
all the while china built a mega size hospital in 10days ! and fukking GOP devil Louis Gohmert was delaying & playing games with the bill getting thru so he could throw in his republican agendas and bs laws BUT "BOTH SIDES" tho! and HILLARY woulda did the same
 
Oh I thought it thru...and know whats happening right now..theyre seriously considering implementing elements of UHC and UBI as we speak...so tell me about playing politics with this shit :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
Well then you prolly thought through the that part where it isn't sustainable and is only being brought up because the thing that is sustainable is being interuppted, and because of politics.
 
A Pandemic like this has been predicted to hit since the 1970s.

The US Govt and Govts. around the world have had plenty of time to prepare for this.

The US Govt has been bamboozled by the Conservatives with budget cuts for the past 30 years and this shit about “Big Government”.

There is no reason why this country, the most powerful and richest country on Earth should be in this position.
 
Well then you prolly thought through the that part where it isn't sustainable and is only being brought up because the thing that is sustainable is being interuppted, and because of politics.
yep they enacted a trillion dollars just like that....no talk of reallocating money from the military budget or anywhere else...just poof here's almost a trillion....wheres that money coming from?? Where'd the money for wall streets bailout come from? Where'd the money to bail out the farmers come from? Wheres the money to up the military budget comes from??

no one ever asks these questions..yet they find the money and continue to find the money.
 

WHO lists seven different approaches — including that of China, the United States, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, France and Germany — each one targeting different parts of the COVID-19 genetic profile.

Christopher Mores, a global health professor at George Washington University, said that when faced with an outbreak, the WHO will usually adopt the best test that a research group brings forward.

The German one became the approach WHO circulated as its preferred model.

Aid groups, such as the Pan American Health Organization, took that model and built their training and supplies around it. If the model was like the recipe in a cookbook, the supplies were the ingredients in a home meal kit from Blue Apron.

Any country could use whatever recipe it preferred, and even if the United States had picked the WHO’s protocol, it wouldn’t need the WHO to sell it the materials to follow it. Germany released its protocol on Jan. 17, but the U.S. decided to have the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention develop its own. That protocol was published Jan. 28.

In this instance, this caused a lag in testing for the virus in the U.S.

The CDC’s test was different and more complicated than the German test. It worked in the CDC lab, but when the materials went out to state labs, some of them got inconsistent results. The CDC had to resend packages with new chemical reagents.

State laboratories started developing their own tests and were ready to use them, but had to wait for emergency approval from the Food and Drug Administration. All of this added up to a delay in testing capabilities which resulted in fewer Americans being tested and an overall slower U.S. response compared to other countries.



all that then we end up going to germany for help with the vaccine anyway:

On Sunday, German ministers sharply criticized what they viewed as a selfish attempt to monopolize a vaccine for a disease that has rapidly spread to every corner of the globe. According to a front-page report in the German weekly Welt am Sonntag, Trump had offered CureVac $1 billion (893 million euros) for the exclusive rights to any vaccine and to try and lure the company's research and development to the U.S.


then the story is dismissed but with a curious turn:

A German biotech company tweeted Monday it did not receive an offer from President Trump for rights to a coronavirus vaccine it is working on.

The statement was aimed at putting an end to controversy surrounding a reported attempt by Trump to gain exclusive access to a potential coronavirus vaccine, or the German research group doing work on it. On Monday the White House also dismissed the charge.

CureVac issued a news release on March 3 announcing that its CEO, Daniel Menichella, was invited to the White House to discuss vaccine development with Trump and members of the White House Coronavirus Task Force, together with other companies working on vaccines.

Menichella left the company abruptly five days ago. A CureVac news release gave no reason for his departure.
CureVac’s focus is on messenger RNA-based vaccines and cancer therapies. RNA is what genes use to tell cells which proteins to assemble. Such a vaccine could carry a non-infective blueprint of the coronavirus protein, triggering the production of antibodies that would give the person getting vaccinated immunity from the disease.

 
yep they enacted a trillion dollars just like that....no talk of reallocating money from the military budget or anywhere else...just poof here's almost a trillion....wheres that money coming from?? Where'd the money for wall streets bailout come from? Where'd the money to bail out the farmers come from? Wheres the money to up the military budget comes from??

no one ever asks these questions..yet they find the money and continue to find the money.

They print it out of thin air. It is ink and paper. It has value only because it is agreed upon. The funny part is that you can't eat or put it in a glass and drink it.
 

ALSO DO U KNOW HOW TO READ THE TRUTH-O-METER ? DO U SEE WHERE THE NEEDLE RESTS ON THE SCALE ?

1ST QUESTION : DID HE NOT CLOSE THE PANDEMIC UNIT ?

I ran the White House pandemic office. Trump closed it.



excerpts i picked out ! : decide for urself while u keep trying to defend ur frog emperor !

How testing failures allowed coronavirus to sweep the U.S.
The Trump administration’s decision to forgo a World Health Organization test and create its own had fateful consequences, experts say (not Joe Biden but 'EXPERTS... EXPERTS SAY"
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On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.
Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.
The United States was not among them.


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But neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Vice President Mike Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test and instead begin a protracted process of producing an American test, one that got delayed by manufacturing problems, possible lab contamination and logistical delays.
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Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question and the key to the Trump administration’s failure to provide enough tests to identify the coronavirus infections before they could be passed on, according to POLITICO interviews with dozens of viral-disease experts, former officials and some officials within the administration’s health agencies.

“Please provide an explanation for why the Covid-19 diagnostic test approved by the World Health Organization was not used,” ? . Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking Democrat on the Senate health committee, who represents the hard-hit state of Washington, asked in a 3½-page letter on the testing fiasco to Pence, Health Secretary Alex Azar, CDC director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn.
So far, none has been provided.


The government’s incapacity to conduct widespread testing slowed diagnoses, creating chains of infection. It also deprived epidemiologists of a map that could have told them how far and how fast the virus was traveling and where they should concentrate efforts to slow it down.

But there were additional problems with the administration’s approach to testing, according to experts and former officials. From the start, the White House focused on containment, trusting that a limited ban on travel to and from China could somehow force a fast-moving virus to stop cold when it hit the Chinese border. But, while containment might have helped buy the U.S. some time, without aggressive domestic surveillance through testing, it was an incomplete strategy.

“They needed and still need to be searching for where the cases are, instead of trusting that limited travel bans were keeping out a virus that was probably already on the march,” said former FDA Commissioner David Kessler.

That wasn’t how the president viewed it.

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus,” Trump tweeted on Jan. 24. “The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!”

But once the CDC finally began its national testing regime, it faltered in almost every way imaginable.

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And the mistakes were not just in testing.

Trump repeatedly boasted of airport screening and travel restrictions — which Azar and other administration leaders touted as aggressive and historic in their scope — but experts told POLITICO that those measures that were far too little, too late, and too focused on China.
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Other failures appear to have been related to a lack of preparation within agencies that spanned administrations but certainly continued through the first three years of Trump’s tenure.

Masks and gowns were in short supply despite years of talk about bulking up federal emergency stockpiles — without Congress appropriating enough money. A whistleblower has alleged HHS staff were inadequately protected when greeting U.S. evacuees returning from Wuhan, China. The CDC has had trouble wrangling passenger information from airlines to contact people who may have been exposed on flights, administration officials said. And health officials are trying to figure out how to handle a second “floating petri dish” in the Pacific, another cruise ship contagion with elderly passengers at high risk. With some passengers already sick, test kits were delivered by helicopter.

James Lawler, a global-health expert at the University of Nebraska Medical Center’s Global Center for Health Security, where some coronavirus evacuees are being treated and the possible course of the epidemic is being modeled, said the government’s failures have been so extensive that when asked what went wrong, he parried, “What went right?”

Administration officials have seemed to be under political pressure to minimize the risks of the coronavirus, partly to fall in line with the president’s own statements.
Trump has often downplayed the severity of the outbreak, contradicting the top government scientists squirming right by his side. At other times, health officials have outlined the risks of a major epidemic while Trump’s economic officials, eyeing the plunging stock markets, have insisted that everything’s under control.

“We have contained this,” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow insisted to a television interviewer on Feb. 25. “I won’t say airtight but pretty close.”

Two days later, the CDC reported the first case of community transmission, meaning there was no known link to any travel. More would follow.

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ONCE AGAIN ! I DONT CARE WHAT JOE BIDEN SAID I CARE WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY !

The Trump administration’s decision to forgo a World Health Organization test and create its own had fateful consequences, experts say (not Joe Biden but 'EXPERTS... EXPERTS SAY"
 
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What we have now is what we have now. No matter who made it to the oval office we would be dealing with the same issues.
Wrong. Hillary wouldn't have called it a hoax, been impeached for selling out the people to fix the election or dismantle the government and put in complete ass clowns to run it.

If that saves one human life its better than Trump.
 
Tourism is the reason for Italy and Spains high infection rates. It’s their primary industry.

I’m willing to bet that the US has the highest rates in the world
 
Wait, did they actually mention the term cash pay outs?

Someone call Yvette Carnell and Jason Black.....

This will be interesting. Hate to say it but I wonder if they'll try to short change American Black folk if - IF - this goes through.
 
Wait, did they actually mention the term cash pay outs?

Someone call Yvette Carnell and Jason Black.....

This will be interesting. Hate to say it but I wonder if they'll try to short change American Black folk if - IF - this goes through.
if they short anyone group it will be poor people but that still affects alot of blacks..
 
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