Universal Basic Income and Universal Health Care don't look so bad now huh??

mangobob79

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THE FUKKER FROG EMPEROR STILL PLAYING GAMES WITH PEOPLE'S LIVES , JUST YESTERDAY SOEM OF YALL WERE COGRATULATING HHIM FOR BEING OON MESSAGE FOR ONCE IN THAT LAST SPEECH ADDRESS

"Fed personnel chief quits abruptly, reportedly upset at being micromanaged by White House and unable to communicate clear, timely alerts to agency managers on how they should respond to the growing coronavirus health threat"

 

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If my memory serves me correct there was bunch of folks that refused to vote for Hillary. Liked her or not we all needed to vote her in to protect what Obama had accomplished.

Welcome to failure-land. Many made the mistake, learn from it and don't repeat it again. Get your asses out there and vote this time.
I think everyone who refused to vote should not be eligible for the stimulus. :dunno:
 

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I think everyone who refused to vote should not be eligible for the stimulus. :dunno:
Unlikely since there's no way to determine who actually "refused." Don't forget you've also got districts within southern states doing what they can to suppress voting.
 

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Yeah we were discussing the reversal of Obama's NSC pandemic unit by Trump a decision which is already effecting our quality of life. Now I know that unit probably would not have changed the arrival of the virus. But you wouldn't have had people wondering what to do now.

We are fighting for our lives on two fronts. The virus and Trump so yeah I might well miss a joke or two.

This virus is far more dangerous than what 9/11 presented. You have no way of knowing where the threat lies with this virus.

Meanwhile Trump is looking to now buy votes, A trillion dollar stimulus package. Election Day just 7 months away, now Trump is trying to buy votes. I personally wonder if part of whats happening isn't being orchestrated by Trump and his people.

I say take the money but you vote democratic. Stick it to him, he's been doing it to us for 3 1/2 years. This would be the one chance you'll ever get to really stick it to him and the republicans. Getting rid of Trump and McConnell are the 2 biggest changes this country needs.
 

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no other countries are dealing with it BETTER because they were more proactive period:

On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

 

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A WORKING PANDEMICS DEPARTMENT WOULDNT HAVE WAITED WHETHER CHINA WAS SLOW TO RELEASE FULL DISCLOSURE COS THEY WOULD'VE BEEN WORKING FULL STEAM LIKE THEY WERE DOING DURING OBAMA TERM ,
DURING OBAMA'S TERM , AT FIRST SIGN OF ANY POSSIBILITY THEY WENT TO WORK !!THEY WENT OUT , THEY RESEARCHED , THEY SENT FIELD WORKER OUT WHO TRAVELLED , WHO TESTED, AND KEPT ONTOP OF ANY AND ALL POSSIBLE ! THIS IS TRUMP'S FAULT ! DURING OBAMA'S TERM THEY DIDNT WAIT FOR ANY PANDEMIC TO GET FULL BLOWN B4 GETTING TO WORK !
 
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Would ya look at that - from the right wing rag The Atlantic who is well known to pander to Trump :rolleyes: :

"China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan."

If only we still had Obama's super Avengers science team who would have stopped this by infiltrating a secret totalitarian regime who was actively trying to cover this up for seven weeks! They would have known about this from day one and had a vaccine on day two!

 

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Would ya look at that - from the right wing rag The Atlantic who is well known to pander to Trump:rolleyes: :

"China has a history of mishandling outbreaks, including SARS in 2002 and 2003. But Chinese leaders’ negligence in December and January—for well over a month after the first outbreak in Wuhan—far surpasses those bungled responses. The end of last year was the time for authorities to act, and, as Nicholas D. Kristof of The New York Times has noted, “act decisively they did—not against the virus, but against whistle-blowers who were trying to call attention to the public health threat.”

This is what allowed the virus to spread across the globe. Because the Chinese Communist Party was pretending that there was little to be concerned about, Wuhan was a porous purveyor of the virus. The government only instituted a lockdown in Wuhan on January 23—seven weeks after the virus first appeared. As events in Italy, the United States, Spain, and France have shown, quite a lot can happen in a week, much less seven. By then, mayor Zhou Xianwang admitted that more than 5 million people had already left Wuhan."

If only we still had Obama's super Avengers science team who would have stopped this by infiltrating a secret totalitarian regime who was actively trying to cover this up for seven weeks! They would have known about this from day one and had a vaccine on day two!

And what do you think citizen/CEO donald trump would tweet to the public if this was under obama???

If Obama had downgraded the pandemic taskforce the republican president before him set up?

If Obama had downplayed covid19, gave mixed messages and false claims and literally told the public to go to work?

If Obama's speech roiled the stockmarket WHILE HE'S SPEAKING and wiped out all the gains made over the previous ten years?

WHAT DO YOU THINK CITIZEN TRUMP WOULD SAY TO THAT?


Do you think he would say "hey its a bad break and unprecedented thing and we need to pull together to support this president and his efforts to lead us thru this...

OR

Do you think he would talk shit and say that Obama has handled this crisis horribly from DAY 1...

its either/or don't need a dissertation...

I'll wait.. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:
 
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And what do you think citizen/CEO donald trump would tweet to the public if this was under obama???

Do you think he would say "hey its a bad break and unprecedented thing and we need to pull together to support this president and his efforts to lead us thru this...

OR

Do you think he would talk shit and say that Obama has handled this crisis horribly from DAY 1...

its either/or don't need a dissertation...

I'll wait.. :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2: :rolleyes2:

Who gives a shit? How's that for a dissertation.
 

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Who gives a shit? How's that for a dissertation.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

YOU SHOULD BECAUSE YOUR PRESIDENT AND HIS BEHAVIOR, TWEETS AND WORDS SET THE TONE FOR HOW THIS SHIT IS GOING!

Honestly, WHEN exactly is Donald The Pretender suppose to start acting presidential???

Is it after he's mean tweeted shit?

or after he's taken a spiteful public victory lap after besting a political rival whether dem or rep?

how about after lying or "misspeaking" about something? which he does at a stunning rate..more so than all seven presidents of the last 45 years.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO ACT MORE MATURE AND BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??

again...I'll wait for an answer. :hmm::hmm::hmm:
 

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Yeah we were discussing the reversal of Obama's NSC pandemic unit by Trump a decision which is already effecting our quality of life. Now I know that unit probably would not have changed the arrival of the virus. But you wouldn't have had people wondering what to do now.

We are fighting for our lives on two fronts. The virus and Trump so yeah I might well miss a joke or two.

This virus is far more dangerous than what 9/11 presented. You have no way of knowing where the threat lies with this virus.

Meanwhile Trump is looking to now buy votes, A trillion dollar stimulus package. Election Day just 7 months away, now Trump is trying to buy votes. I personally wonder if part of whats happening isn't being orchestrated by Trump and his people.

I say take the money but you vote democratic. Stick it to him, he's been doing it to us for 3 1/2 years. This would be the one chance you'll ever get to really stick it to him and the republicans. Getting rid of Trump and McConnell are the 2 biggest changes this country needs.
When your looking at a budget you are dealing with limited resources. So what do you chose to cut to streamline the budget. Not saying the cut was right or wrong. It was question asked by the instructor of my budget analyst class. Sidenote the biggest shock to me about the class is that 86% of the budget comes from the people 50% individual income , 36% payroll taxes only 6% comes from corporate income taxes. Basically all that money we're getting is our money anyway.
 

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When your looking at a budget you are dealing with limited resources. So what do you chose to cut to streamline the budget. Not saying the cut was right or wrong. It was question asked by the instructor of my budget analyst class. Sidenote the biggest shock to me about the class is that 86% of the budget comes from the people 50% individual income , 36% payroll taxes only 6% comes from corporate income taxes. Basically all that money we're getting is our money anyway.
but he bankrupted the fucking CIA budget 3 years a in roll playing GOLF to the tune of $100million after he been warned of a potential catastrophic heath event 2 years ago when they ran a simulation from Jan - August 2019 with shocking projected results and his PetProject Wall ...and the free billions to billionaires they never asked for or needed ! we really wanna go there?
 

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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:

YOU SHOULD BECAUSE YOUR PRESIDENT AND HIS BEHAVIOR, TWEETS AND WORDS SET THE TONE FOR HOW THIS SHIT IS GOING!

Honestly, WHEN exactly is Donald The Pretender suppose to start acting presidential???

Is it after he's mean tweeted shit?

or after he's taken a spiteful public victory lap after besting a political rival whether dem or rep?

how about after lying or "misspeaking" about something? which he does at a stunning rate..more so than all seven presidents of the last 45 years.

WHY DO WE HAVE TO ACT MORE MATURE AND BE HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD THAN THE FUCKING PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES??

again...I'll wait for an answer. :hmm::hmm::hmm:

WTF does this have to do with China trying to cover up an viral outbreak that spread and is now stressing medical systems worldwide?

Is your argument now if Trump was more "presidential" this wouldn't be happening?
 

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WTF does this have to do with China trying to cover up an viral outbreak that spread and is now stressing medical systems worldwide?

Is your argument now if Trump was more "presidential" this wouldn't be happening?

My argument is if trump was more presidential we would be dealing with this better and with more confidence. YES china TRIED to cover that shit up and point fingers...ANY COUNTRY WOULD and has INCLUDING the US. That horse has already left the barn. The issue WE deal with is whats happening here. And by all accounts, Trump has FAILED to lead in a confident way. you know this so I don't know what your argument is....
 
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Poverty in U.S. declined last year as government aid made up for lost jobs.

The coronavirus pandemic last year left millions of people out of work and set off the worst economic contraction since the Great Depression. Yet the share of people living in poverty in the United States actually declined because of the government’s enormous relief effort.
About 9.1 percent of Americans were poor last year, the Census Bureau reported Tuesday, down from 11.8 percent in 2019. That is based on a measure that accounts for the impact of government aid programs, which last year lifted millions of people out of poverty. The government’s official measure of poverty, which leaves out some major aid programs, rose to 11.4 percent, from a record low 10.5 percent in 2019.
The fact that poverty did not rise more during such an enormous economic disruption reflects the equally enormous government response. Congress expanded unemployment benefits and food aid, doled out hundreds of billions of dollars to small businesses and sent direct checks to most American households. The Census Bureau estimated that the direct checks alone lifted 11.7 million people out of poverty last year, and that unemployment benefits prevented 5.5 million people from falling into poverty.
“It all points toward the historic income support that was delivered in response to the pandemic and how successful it was at blunting what could have been a historic rise in poverty,” said Christopher Wimer, a co-director of the Center on Poverty and Social Policy at the Columbia University School of Social Work. “I imagine the momentum from 2020 will continue into 2021.”

Poverty rose much more drastically after the last recession, peaking at 15.1 percent in 2010 and improving only slowly after that.

Still, government aid programs excluded some groups, such as undocumented immigrants and their families, and failed to reach others. Poverty, with or without government aid taken into account, was significantly higher than the overall average for Black and Hispanic Americans, foreign-born residents and those without college educations. Millions of people endured delays of weeks or months before receiving benefits, forcing many to seek help from food banks or other charities.

“We measure poverty annually, when the reality of poverty is faced on a day-to-day-to-day basis,” said Hilary Hoynes, an economist at the University of California, Berkeley, who has studied the government’s response to the pandemic.
Median household income last year fell 2.9 percent, adjusted for inflation, to about $68,000, a figure that includes unemployment benefits but not stimulus checks or noncash benefits such as food stamps. The decline reflects the huge job losses caused by the pandemic: Some three million fewer people worked at all in 2020 than in 2019, and 13.7 million fewer people worked full-time year-round. Among those who kept their jobs, however, 2020 was a good year financially: Median earnings for full-time year-round workers rose 6.9 percent, adjusted for inflation.
Many of the programs that helped people avert poverty last year have expired, even as the pandemic continues. An estimated 7.5 million people lost unemployment benefits this month after Congress allowed pandemic-era expansions of the program to lapse.


The new data could feed into efforts by President Biden and congressional leaders to enact a more lasting expansion of the safety net. Democrats’ $3.5 trillion plan, which is still taking shape, could include paid family and medical leave, government-supported child care and a permanent expansion of the Child Tax Credit. Liberals said the success of relief programs last year showed that such policies ought to be continued and expanded.
“The key thing is that we see the extremely powerful anti-poverty and pro-middle class income impacts of the government response,” said Jared Bernstein, a member of the White House Council of Economic Advisers. He argued that the success should encourage lawmakers to enact Mr. Biden’s longer-term agenda for the economy.
“It’s one thing to temporarily lift people out of poverty — hugely important — but you can’t stop there,” Mr. Bernstein said. “We have to make sure that people don’t fall back into poverty after these temporary measures abate.”
But many conservatives contend that although some expansion of government aid was appropriate during the pandemic, those programs should be wound down as the economy recovers.
“Policymakers did a remarkable job last March enacting CARES and other legislation, lending to businesses, providing loan forbearance, expanding the safety net,” Scott Winship, a senior fellow and the director of poverty studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative group, wrote in reaction to the data, referring to an early pandemic aid bill, which included $2 trillion in spending. “But we should have pivoted to other priorities thereafter.”



UBI IS VIABLE
 

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A Basic Income Program In D.C. Provided Stability And Dignity During The Pandemic, Report Says

Fueled by funds from the American Rescue Plan Act, governments across the country are trying out “basic income” programs that send cash to low-income families, with no restrictions on how the money is spent. But a similar program was already underway in D.C. months before Congress passed the 2021 relief bill.

That program was called THRIVE East of the River, an effort by four community-based organizations to get money into the hands of low-income residents as the pandemic forced people out of work. Inspired by a cash transfer program that local nonprofit Martha’s Table debuted at the start of the health crisis, THRIVE tapped $4.43 million in philanthropic dollars to provide $5,500 in cash — either in a lump sum or monthly installments — to 590 families east of the Anacostia River between July 2020 and January 2022.

Now a new report is shedding light on where the program succeeded — and where it faced significant challenges.

An analysis from the Urban Institute shows that overall, the extra $5,500 provided short-term financial stability and peace of mind to hundreds of D.C. households during the health emergency. Many said their mental health improved, they didn’t have to tap their savings as often to cover everyday expenses, and they worried less about having enough food to feed their families.

Before the grant money kicked in, more than a third of participants said they “sometimes” or “often” didn’t have enough to eat. Afterward, the percentage dropped to 19%.

The money also empowered families to buy food they actually like, says Mary Bogle, a principal research associate with the Urban Institute. THRIVE offered free groceries that participants could pick up each week, but many families chose instead to buy food they selected themselves, from stores of their choosing, on their own schedule — a luxury for families accustomed to eating food covered by SNAP benefits or supplied by local pantries.

“For family and mental health reasons, they wanted to pick out the foods of their choice. If you’re getting food from a [pantry] box, that’s what people want to give you,” Bogle says. “Even though we know that the food [the program was] giving out was very nutritious, it still wasn’t necessarily what a family would want for their kids.”

That basic freedom — to use the money however they saw fit — provided families with a level of respect and dignity that is hard to find among traditional benefit programs that limit the purchases recipients can make, Bogle adds.

“My personal hypothesis is the mental health went up because of the way people were treated,” the researcher says. “Often when you’re asking for help from [public benefit] systems, the way we deliver help, particularly in the U.S., people are made to feel ashamed. And in the middle of a health emergency, where everyone is having mental health problems, why should we lay it on one group over another?”

Recipients also used the cash to cover transportation costs, pay down debt, invest in their small businesses, and cover their children’s medical expenses or child care. Close to 70% of participants said there had been a time when they couldn’t afford child care or pediatric medical expenses before the program began. After the money went out, the share declined to 36%, the report says.

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Deborah, a THRIVE participant who lives in Ward 8, says she prioritized catching up on her utility bills. Once she took care of that, she found dozens of little ways to put the money to good use. (WAMU/DCist is withholding Deborah’s last name to protect her privacy.)

“I bought food, I bought toiletries and household items, I stocked up on sanitizers and masks, I was able to do some car repairs, I made a contribution to my church, I made some donations to my family… and I did gift some money to a few homeless people I saw along the way,” Deborah says. “I just wanted them to be able to enjoy a breakfast or a cup of coffee.”

The mother of two says she also helped family members pay for obituaries and funerals. She knows dozens of people who died of COVID-19 over the last two years.

“The pandemic — it did a wave and wiped out a lot of my family, as well as a lot of my friends,” she says.

But while participants like Deborah stretched the money as far as they could, the Urban Institute’s findings suggest that even $5,500 in cash is no match for D.C.’s notoriously high housing costs. More than half of THRIVE participants said they spent all, almost all, or “a lot” of their grant money on housing expenses, typically rent. (Eighty three percent of THRIVE participants rent their homes.) Even after receiving the money, most families said they continued to worry about making rent or being evicted.

“You can get a two-bedroom apartment [east of the river] for $1,200 to $1,600 these days,” Bogle says. “So $5,500, in a long pandemic, isn’t going to go that far.”

The program also raised issues for residents who receive other public benefits, such as Medicaid or Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. Many safety net programs have strict rules about how much income beneficiaries can earn, and exceeding a certain amount can cause them to lose benefits. That was a major source of anxiety for THRIVE participants, 95% of whom receive some kind of public assistance, according to the report.

The saving grace was that many safety net programs were effectively barred from canceling benefits during the health crisis, says Urban Institute research associate Fay Walker.

“If this were a program administered outside of the pandemic, it would be incredibly difficult to make sure that people received cash but also continued to receive other benefits,” Walker says.

“No one wants to give folks cash to help them, and then find out you actually hurt them,” Bogle adds.

The researchers say their analysis of THRIVE provides important lessons for other organizations or governments considering their own basic income programs. Contrary to long-held stereotypes about poor people who misuse money, THRIVE participants didn’t fritter away the cash on temptation goods, Bogle says. Across the board, recipients made rational financial decisions.

“What THRIVE gives you is a window into the choices that people would make if they didn’t have all these safety net caps on them,” Bogle says.

The concept of a basic income for needy people isn’t new, but it has taken off in the wake of the health emergency. Montgomery County, the city of Alexandria, and Arlington County launched basic income pilot programs during the pandemic using federal relief money. In D.C., Mayor Muriel Bowser recently announced a new $1.5 million cash transfer pilot program for new and expectant mothers called Strong Families, Strong Future D.C. The D.C. Council also approved a tax increase last year that will help beef up the city’s Earned Income Tax Credit, an important income supplement for the city’s working poor.

Bogle says programs like these could begin to chip away at the stubborn public perception that poor people can’t be trusted to make sound financial decisions.

“It might help the American public realize that there’s no judgment needed here. We want folks to have a stable foundation out of poverty, and to be able to live the American dream,” she says.


From a post I saw somewhere else:

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COVID monies focused on individual sounds like a good approach. Bravo DC. There's hope yet.

Meanwhile, in red state South Dakota:

$710 million - water and sewage infrastructure projects.
$50 million - Broadband expansion
$35 million - tourism marketing project
$37 million - emergency health services

The bigger picture shows SODAK just wants to fund government, not help people
- SD Local Government COVID Recovery Fund - $34,852,458
- Re‐employment Insurance Fund - $45,649,537
-Board of Regents - $10,767,267
-Department of Health - $6,450,773
-Department of Public Safety - $4,706,515
-Department of Labor and Regulation - $3,631,754
-Department of Tourism - $3,492,649
-Bureau of Finance and Management - $2,026,264
-Other State gov't - $2,891,077

The legislators don't know what to do; their usual focus is on targeting people for oppression. From Nov and Dec 2021:

"These need to be long-term investments, transformational things for our state," Aaron Schiebe, the governor's chief of staff, told a legislative committee

"This just overwhelms our system," he said. "The Legislature has to learn more now than they ever did about funding."

A new report finds that South Dakota's reserves increased 42% in one year thanks to an influx of federal COVID-19 relief dollars.
Meaning they didn't distribute it.

When the governor talks about how money is spent, it's all generalities. When you see the actual places, it's like the above.

Noem seriously considered not taking any COVID money but rationalized taking the "giant handout" (her words) because if she didn't the money would go to liberal states. "
 

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