The Impeachment Hearings , House Vote and Eventual Trial ..All Updates ...AS EXPECTED... TRUMP SKATES

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I'll never get over the fact we have Bush voters on this shit. And they'll tell you you're on the wrong side of history if you disagree. Straight overcompensation.
It's delusion. Folks have gone completely batshit. Truth and American politics? :lol: Which brings me to Biden below.
He absolutely can and he has the best chance to win IMO...
I noticed that Pelosi claims the impeachment doesn't count without witnesses. Democrats better stfu about that right now if they want to run Biden. Take this L, move the fuck on. Because Biden got that 1999 memo. For once in the last 4 fucking years, dems better use strategy and not emotion.

And Biden even being a frontrunner points to the argument I always make about perception over truth. If it were based on truth, Biden would have any black support. It's all perception. That's all that matters. Obama had him as VP, so the perception is that Biden must be good. Fuck his record.
 
It's delusion. Folks have gone completely batshit. Truth and American politics? :lol: Which brings me to Biden below.

I noticed that Pelosi claims the impeachment doesn't count without witnesses. Democrats better stfu about that right now if they want to run Biden. Take this L, move the fuck on. Because Biden got that 1999 memo. For once in the last 4 fucking years, dems better use strategy and not emotion.

And Biden even being a frontrunner points to the argument I always make about perception over truth. If it were based on truth, Biden would have any black support. It's all perception. That's all that matters. Obama had him as VP, so the perception is that Biden must be good. Fuck his record.

Heres the thing about Biden and Obama: Even with Obama doing well and everyone saying they loved him, Obama made sure he was going to get those white folks in the midwest out to Vote for him. I understand him doing well in Iowa, but he needed them folks in Ohio and other states to show up. That coupled with the fact that the republicans ran "Maverick" John McCain against him..coupled to a landslide...if you think about it..Obama really never truly ran against a far-right conservative in the election. If Biden was the nominee in 2016, he beats Trump...I'm convinced that Obama made a deal with Clinton in her coming to be his Secretary of State though.."I work for you, you endorse me in 2016" I dont think there was anyway that they thought Hilary could lose against the field of Republicans..
 
It's delusion. Folks have gone completely batshit. Truth and American politics? :lol: Which brings me to Biden below.

I noticed that Pelosi claims the impeachment doesn't count without witnesses. Democrats better stfu about that right now if they want to run Biden. Take this L, move the fuck on. Because Biden got that 1999 memo. For once in the last 4 fucking years, dems better use strategy and not emotion.

And Biden even being a frontrunner points to the argument I always make about perception over truth. If it were based on truth, Biden would have any black support. It's all perception. That's all that matters. Obama had him as VP, so the perception is that Biden must be good. Fuck his record.

This is literally a Fox News talking point. :lol:Why would Clinton have needed to testify at the actual impeachment hearing when he sat down for a video deposition earlier which led to the impeachment articles?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4721500/user-clip-bill-clinton-deposition-excerpt-1

Never in history has someone been impeached and not provided any documents or allowed anyone to testify. :smh: Shit, DOJ is holding up the release of 24 emails right now that would show bullshit all of these justifications for holding up the aid are:
 
It's delusion. Folks have gone completely batshit. Truth and American politics? :lol: Which brings me to Biden below.

I noticed that Pelosi claims the impeachment doesn't count without witnesses. Democrats better stfu about that right now if they want to run Biden. Take this L, move the fuck on. Because Biden got that 1999 memo. For once in the last 4 fucking years, dems better use strategy and not emotion.

And Biden even being a frontrunner points to the argument I always make about perception over truth. If it were based on truth, Biden would have any black support. It's all perception. That's all that matters. Obama had him as VP, so the perception is that Biden must be good. Fuck his record.

This is literally a Fox News talking point. :lol:Why would Clinton have needed to testify at the actual impeachment hearing when he sat down for a video deposition earlier which led to the impeachment articles?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4721500/user-clip-bill-clinton-deposition-excerpt-1

Here is the transcript of Vernon Jordan's deposition:

Never in history has someone been impeached and not provided any documents or allowed anyone to testify. :smh: This is some banana republic shit that cacs are happily going along with. Shit, DOJ is holding up the release of 24 emails right now that would show bullshit all of these justifications for holding up the aid are:

 
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This is literally a Fox News talking point. :lol:Why would Clinton have needed to testify at the actual impeachment hearing when he sat down for a video deposition earlier which led to the impeachment articles?

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4721500/user-clip-bill-clinton-deposition-excerpt-1

Never in history has someone been impeached and not provided any documents or allowed anyone to testify. :smh: Shit, DOJ is holding up the release of 24 emails right now that would show bullshit all of these justifications for holding up the aid are:
:confused: Politico covered that 1999 memo. They FOX news now?

I don't get why folks always trying to kill the messenger around here. Listen. Shit is simple. Pelosi and them better stfu or they going to make it easy on Trump if he goes against Biden. Just take the damn L -- which everyone knew was coming -- and move on to talking about health care and what matters for the election.
 
Do you remember when Bush was to be held accountable for all this fuckery and Pelosi herself said in 2008 :D "let's move on!!" They basically lied to the American people, pushed that shit through State of The Unions, cost thousands of lives, maimed countless others, fucked up all kinds of shit and wasted BILLIONS ON LIES, and it was :D "Let's move on!!!"

I wish I could have this 'golly gee, Leave it to Beaver' idealist vision of politics in this country like some people are having now. It's much like I wish I can believe in heaven and religion. It must be nice. And trust, I know you understand how corrupt these fucks are, but I think you're forgetting some of the bullshit we had to sit through in the past just because these cats didn't abuse twitter and knew how to be political.

To have Pelosi spearheading this shit after :D "Let's move on" is crazy.

So why when all of D.C. was basically complicit in lying to the American public and war crimes it gets a fucking pass but now it's all Hulk Hogan vitamins and the American way? Hell, we basically know Biden was also on some fuck shit with his son Hunter but he just wasn't on Twitter acting an ass about it.

Much like the real world, social media is exposing bullshit. I wonder what 2001-2003 would have been like with social media. Had Bush not knew how to stfu and be political, imagine how many lies he'd be caught in each week.


Gene you're preaching to the choir here and you know it lmao. I hate corporate Dems. Pelosi is trash and this absurd notion that we needed to "move on and heal" after the crimes of the century perpetrated by the neocons will be yet another stain on this nation's history young folks will learn about and compartmentalize away neatly never to really be grappled with in due course. The mythology has got to prevail somehow right?

But at the same time, and I've said this repeatedly (so much so that I'm sick of reading my own posts) the reality is that things can get a lot worse and you dont need to go far backin history to see how. There's a dude in the WH rn so at war with reality that he had his senior cabinet folks change a fucking hurricane weather map bc his ego can't allow him to say he's EVER wrong about anything. We have a cult leader amplifying literal white nationalist fever dreams and drawing up immigration policy on its basis. If y'all didn't get it during the fake "border crisis" maybe now that they're banning one of the most productive immigrant groups ever (Nigerians) the agenda will be clearer? This isn't "the sky is falling" chicken little shit -- we're watching the continued decline of Empire. We're watching checks and balances fail in real time. We're watching fascism rise. It didn't start with this orange fuck but goddamn is he fucking accelerating it. You see those armed militia dudes walk into the state capital building in KY? You see the GOP rep hole up with militia in OR a few months ago? I don't know what the alternative to impeachment would have been guys. This farcical acquittal basically says that as long as Trump feels what he's doing is right for the country anything he does is not impeachable or criminal. Do y'all see a problem there??? :confused: Bc as far as I'm concerned and I've already shared this thought before: I have zero confidence that there will be a free and fair election given what's transpired so far I have even less confidence that Trump will gracefully concede defeat even if he's loses convincingly. We are in uncharted waters here.
 
Gene you're preaching to the choir here and you know it lmao. I hate corporate Dems. Pelosi is trash and this absurd notion that we needed to "move on and heal" after the crimes of the century perpetrated by the neocons will be yet another stain on this nation's history young folks will learn about and compartmentalize away neatly never to really be grappled with in due course. The mythology has got to prevail somehow right?

But at the same time, and I've said this repeatedly (so much so that I'm sick of reading my own posts) the reality is that things can get a lot worse and you dont need to go far backin history to see how. There's a dude in the WH rn so at war with reality that he had his senior cabinet folks change a fucking hurricane weather map bc his ego can't allow him to say he's EVER wrong about anything. We have a cult leader amplifying literal white nationalist fever dreams and drawing up immigration policy on its basis. If y'all didn't get it during the fake "border crisis" maybe now that they're banning one of the most productive immigrant groups ever (Nigerians) the agenda will be clearer? This isn't "the sky is falling" chicken little shit -- we're watching the continued decline of Empire. We're watching checks and balances fail in real time. We're watching fascism rise. It didn't start with this orange fuck but goddamn is he fucking accelerating it. You see those armed militia dudes walk into the state capital building in KY? You see the GOP rep hole up with militia in OR a few months ago? I don't know what the alternative to impeachment would have been guys. This farcical acquittal basically says that as long as Trump feels what he's doing is right for the country anything he does is not impeachable or criminal. Do y'all see a problem there??? :confused: Bc as far as I'm concerned and I've already shared this thought before: I have zero confidence that there will be a free and fair election given what's transpired so far I have even less confidence that Trump will gracefully concede defeat even if he's loses convincingly. We are in uncharted waters here.
See, I look at things differently than you. Trump is just a windbag to me. Has he done anything as sinister as the Patriot Act? Because if he did, I missed it.

As for the election, shit has always been shit. What do we always get? Lesser of two evils. Same ol' fucking shit. Ain't none of these crooked fucks making it to the general unless the elite and powerful want them to. So by the time the general hits, it is what is. Unless you really believe that the most crooked cacs in the world going to let other folks fuck them over.

You worried about militias? Meanwhile, I'm in Ohio(Trump country) and it's business as usual for me. Only cacs to worry about are the pigs, and no one is doing shit to get them in fucking check. These cacs in Ohio scared to put Trump bumper stickers on their cars and folks on the left amping up the empowered cac narrative. That shit is coming from people in hippie land tweeting from starbucks. Or is Ohio not full of racists cac no more?

Trumps base are fucking retards. They don't even realize he played them. I recently found out the deportation/detention numbers and was fucking floored. They ain't shit, but I've been told it was the end times. :lol: But that goes to my point that he lives and thrives off the fear mongering from the left. His supporters see that shit and think he's doing something.

Checks and balances? Fam, this is politics as usual BUT without the class and pretend.

As far as actual damage, Trump hasn't even caught Clinton. All this pearl clutching from democrats is funny as hell to me. Folks vote him out in 2020 and what will his legacy be? Shit. Nothing. Mean tweets. Oh yeah, Judges, but everyone gets fucking judges.
 

That sounds nice. Why wait until everyone is off work. Lol. I will say this...one of the biggest and influential movements of my time was Occupy Wall Street. You had people camped out in parks in major cities across the country for a year. That’s what should’ve happened in January 2017 when we knew that our republic was in trouble. It’s too late now. It’s fruitless...moving along nothing to see here. Smh.
 
Trump's Super Bowl Ad Ranked Last

USA Today measured which Super Bowl commercials people liked best. President Trump’s came in dead last.

Understandable. On top of just being wack to begin with, nobody wanted to deal with politics during the game. It didn't even piss me off so much as it just pulled me out of what little vibe I had going watching the game/commercials.
 

"Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office." What is your opinion of this quote from Marco Rubio?



Few American politicians have as thoroughly indicted themselves, their party, and the voting public in as few sentences as Marco Rubio has done. The five incisive sentences that lay out the case for his personal failure, Republican Party failure, and American failure are buried in lots of extra verbiage in his statement, but they shine through anyway. Here they are (numbering mine, of course):

1. Just because actions meet a standard of impeachment does not mean it is in the best interest of the country to remove a President from office.

2. Determining which outcome is in the best interests requires a political judgment — one that takes into account both the severity of the wrongdoing alleged but also the impact removal would have on the nation.

3. And ultimately, voters themselves can hold the President accountable in an election, including the one just nine months from now.

4. Can anyone doubt that at least half of the country would view his removal as illegitimate — as nothing short of a coup d’état?

5. It is difficult to conceive of any scheme Putin could undertake that would undermine confidence in our democracy more than removal would.

Let’s look at the sheer amount of fail in those sentences

1+2 - “The ‘best interest of the country’ is determined on partisan and political grounds, not on whether the chief executive has any moral guardrails.” I might be able to stomach this argument if it was in the context of personal immorality - Trump’s hush money payout to Stormy Daniels is evidence of his personal immorality, and technically is a violation of campaign finance law, but it does not implicate him in abuse of office, so I don’t see it as being impeachment worthy. Too bad Rubio’s making excuses for abuse of the powers of the national government.

2 - Marco, your gutless political calculation would look less gutless if it wasn’t justified by the wrong things later on. Bush the Younger argued that he should be re-elected because “we’re at war.” Here, the calculus is far more craven than that - it’s about whether Republicans would disapprove.

3 - Second biggest fail of the bunch. “Voters can decide in the upcoming election.” The upcoming election Mr. Trump was soliciting foreign interference in, which you have no intention of stopping? That election? Bit tough have a fair election in a blizzard of not just propaganda, but propaganda solicited by the US government on behalf of the incumbent.

4 - Biggest fail of the bunch. Partly because removal is actually more popular than acquittal. (Though Rubio, a Republican, presumably hews to the line that non-Republicans aren’t real Americans, so only the opinions of Republican identified voters should be considered.) Partly because of the inherent presumption that the overwhelming Democratic victory in 2018 somehow did imply a national willingness to hold the President to account. Partly in the conflation of the use - or even abuse - of a legitimate legal process with a violent military takeover.

5 - No, actually, it’s not, and you’re participating in it right now. “Confidence in democracy” does not mean “our guy won.” Though again, I understand that is the GOP’s default position. Confidence in democracy - or more accurately in our democratic republic - means being able to believe that it’s constituent elements including the voters, the legislators, the executive, the judges, and the civil service, will work faithfully towards the betterment of the whole republic. And will do so in good faith and even if we don’t always agree on what “better” looks like or how to get there. You, Little Marco, are burning that down before my eyes. You are telling me, in so many words, that your “political calculation” to capitulate before the raging forces of nativism, authoritarianism, and idiocy the GOP helped unleash is somehow better for the nation than upholding your oath to the Constitution.
 
That sounds nice. Why wait until everyone is off work. Lol. I will say this...one of the biggest and influential movements of my time was Occupy Wall Street. You had people camped out in parks in major cities across the country for a year. That’s what should’ve happened in January 2017 when we knew that our republic was in trouble. It’s too late now. It’s fruitless...moving along nothing to see here. Smh.
Well, in this case the protests have the opposite of the intended effect. Remember when Obama did or said something the right didn't like and right-wing cacs would get mad? Remember the sentiment around here? Folks laughing at them. Posting dancing emoticons. And saying :dance: "cacs mad!"

Well, the roles have flipped now. The right is enjoying the fuck out of all this emotion. Trump protests are just funny to them.

And none of this is moving people in the middle or motivating folks who don't give a fuck because their lives ain't really changed.
 
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