Video shows man, later released on bail reform, beating girlfriend

[Kaffeine]

New York police have shared a shocking video that shows a Bronx man violently assaulting his girlfriend at their job before he was eventually released under the state's new bail reform.

The Harriman Village Police department said that 20-year-old Jay Vasquez-Paulino attacked the woman he had been dating for about a month on Tuesday.

The assault took place at the Superior Packing company in Harriman, where the duo had been employed.

Horrifying video shows Vasquez-Paulino repeatedly punching and kicking at the woman.

At one point, he even throws his phone at the woman. A bystander can be seen sitting in a chair while the man assaults his girlfriend, but he fails to break the two up.

A woman notices the commotion and tries to put some distance between Vasquez-Paulino and the woman, able to get the man to exit.

Police noted that the suspect did walk out of the building to retrieve a large kitchen knife from a backpack.

Vasquez-Paulino then stuffed the knife in his sleeve, threatening the woman with the weapon once inside.

He does eventually flee from the scene, throwing the knife out of frame.

Vasquez-Paulino was charged with misdemeanors for the assault, but the new bail reforms under Governor Cuomo required police to release him with an appearance ticket.

New York recently joined California and New Jersey in prohibiting cash bails for most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies, Vox reports. The new reform law has been met with controversy.

 

[HeavyArmz]

More scare tactics. The bail reform is about cash bail on misdemeanors and low level offenses. Instead of talking about changing the system, they want to scare people. If there was still cash bail, homie would still be able to post bail for whatever the bail is and go harass his girlfriend.

cash bail does nothing but keep poor people in jail. It has nothing to do with safety. If you are cool with people with the means posting bail. Your argument is not about public safety. Having the means to post bail does not mean you are inherently safer to the community than someone who doesn’t have it.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Don't understand why everything has to be extremes. When people are talking about bail reform, they usually think about people spending months in jail for petty shit, like stealing a backpack (allegedly), caught with joint, etc. I don't anyone wants a violent offender back on the streets as a part of bail reform.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

More scare tactics. The bail reform is about cash bail on misdemeanors and low level offenses. Instead of talking about changing the system, they want to scare people. If there was still cash bail, homie would still be able to post bail for whatever the bail is and go harass his girlfriend.

cash bail does nothing but keep poor people in jail. It has nothing to do with safety. If you are cool with people with the means posting bail. Your argument is not about public safety. Having the means to post bail does not mean you are inherently safer to the community than someone who doesn’t have it.

Very good points. However, there have been cases where judges set the amount unusually high because they knew the person to either be a flight risk or they knew they wouldn't be able to pay it, thus staying in jail until their court date. The judge may could have prevented this dude from getting out so quickly.

To be clear, I totally agree with your overall point. if the judge didn't inflate the bail amount, he probably would have bounded out anyway.

 

[gene cisco]

Don't understand why everything has to be extremes. When people are talking about bail reform, they usually think about people spending months in jail for petty shit, like stealing a backpack (allegedly), caught with joint, etc. I don't anyone wants a violent offender back on the streets as a part of bail reform.

When I saw the list that they had for releasing people, I knew it was a fail. It's like they want it to fail on purpose so they can say "we tried!!!'

This shit should have been for non-violent offenses and non-weapon crimes. So if you popped with an illegal gun, you still sit even though it wasn't a violent crime.

Shit, but I'm extreme and don't believe in drug prohibition, so I damn sure don't think folks need to make bail over drug charges.

 

[hardawayz16]

More scare tactics. The bail reform is about cash bail on misdemeanors and low level offenses. Instead of talking about changing the system, they want to scare people. If there was still cash bail, homie would still be able to post bail for whatever the bail is and go harass his girlfriend.

Have u seen some of the charges they included in bail reform? Robbery, burglary, third degree assault, criminally negligent homicide, aggravated vehicular homicide, second degree manslaughter, promoting a sexual performance by a child, stalking...

You can make changes to the system and still give judges the right to use their use their judgement on how to treat these cases.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Have u seen some of the charges they included in bail reform? Robbery, burglary, third degree assault, criminally negligent homicide, aggravated vehicular homicide, second degree manslaughter, promoting a sexual performance by a child, stalking...

You can make changes to the system and still give judges the right to use their use their judgement on how to treat these cases.

Or maybe take some of those off the list to begin with.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

When I saw the list that they had for releasing people, I knew it was a fail. It's like they want it to fail on purpose so they can say "we tried!!!'

This shit should have been for non-violent offenses and non-weapon crimes. So if you popped with an illegal gun, you still sit even though it wasn't a violent crime.

Shit, but I'm extreme and don't believe in drug prohibition, so I damn sure don't think folks need to make bail over drug charges.

The only thing I can say is that maybe they were trying to prevent cops and prosecutors from over-charging folks as a work around. By making the list that broad, it gives prosecutors and cops less wiggle room to work around the reforms.

 

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[$moneyPit$]

More scare tactics. The bail reform is about cash bail on misdemeanors and low level offenses. Instead of talking about changing the system, they want to scare people. If there was still cash bail, homie would still be able to post bail for whatever the bail is and go harass his girlfriend.

cash bail does nothing but keep poor people in jail. It has nothing to do with safety. If you are cool with people with the means posting bail. Your argument is not about public safety. Having the means to post bail does not mean you are inherently safer to the community than someone who doesn’t have it.

Don't understand why everything has to be extremes. When people are talking about bail reform, they usually think about people spending months in jail for petty shit, like stealing a backpack (allegedly), caught with joint, etc. I don't anyone wants a violent offender back on the streets as a part of bail reform.

IMO It's not the petty crimes that are a problem. If you look at this thread, some of the shit they are letting cats walk back out on the street for are straight crazy. It seems Deblasio Is giving cats a chance to finish whatever It was they set out to do. take a look at some of the charges they let you go for: https://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/w...d-wild-west-or-im-good.1075231/#post-20532532

The way the shit Is setup It's inevitable eventually people will get hurt or killed. They need a more stringent criteria on who they are gonna let stay out until there court date. Remember a court date can be months away.

 

[HeavyArmz]

Very good points. However, there have been cases where judges set the amount unusually high because they knew the person to either be a flight risk or they knew they wouldn't be able to pay it, thus staying in jail until their court date. The judge may could have prevented this dude from getting out so quickly.

To be clear, I totally agree with your overall point. if the judge didn't inflate the bail amount, he probably would have bounded out anyway.

If you are setting bail at a point someone can't afford it; then what's the point of setting bail in the first place?

I believe the percentage of people who return to court is somewhere around 85%. I'm sure they aren't showing up to get back the amount of money for bail. But most likely they would lose their job, housing, kids etc. Those are plenty good motives to return to court.

 

[HeavyArmz]

Have u seen some of the charges they included in bail reform? Robbery, burglary, third degree assault, criminally negligent homicide, aggravated vehicular homicide, second degree manslaughter, promoting a sexual performance by a child, stalking...

You can make changes to the system and still give judges the right to use their use their judgement on how to treat these cases.

A large part of the problem is the judgement of the judges.

 

[HeavyArmz]

If you are setting bail at a point someone can't afford it; then what's the point of setting bail in the first place?

I believe the percentage of people who return to court is somewhere around 85%. I'm sure they aren't showing up to get back the amount of money for bail. But most likely they would lose their job, housing, kids etc. Those are plenty good motives to return to court.

City jails spend an average of over $118G a year to hold an inmate, officials say

The average cost of holding an inmate in the city jails has ballooned to more than $118,000 a year, officials said Thursday. The Independent Budget Office said it costs a whopping $325 a day to hou…

www.nydailynews.com

"It cost the city $116 million in 2016 to house inmates who couldn’t make bail and another $78 million to house those ordered held without bail, the IBO said."

116 million spent on jailing folk who can't afford bail? It cost 118k a year to jail someone at Rikers. How many people are being held because they couldn't pay a fine? How many people who had bail set at a thousand or two. And now taxpayers have to pay millions. The system is fucked

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

If you are setting bail at a point someone can't afford it; then what's the point of setting bail in the first place?

I believe the percentage of people who return to court is somewhere around 85%. I'm sure they aren't showing up to get back the amount of money for bail. But most likely they would lose their job, housing, kids etc. Those are plenty good motives to return to court.

There are a lot of people in jail for bail amounts that other folks consider no big deal. Other times, there has been cases where the bail seemed to be artificially high to the point where the person couldn't afford to get out. Kalief Browder spend three years in jail (pre-trial) because he couldn't afford the 3,000 for bail.

As to the bigger point, a guy on video beating up his girlfriend and threatening folks with a knife deserves a high bail amount or no bail till trial.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

That knife was something serious. I know they showed that video to the lady. She got to be more careful from now on.

 

[ORIGINAL NATION]

City jails spend an average of over $118G a year to hold an inmate, officials say

The average cost of holding an inmate in the city jails has ballooned to more than $118,000 a year, officials said Thursday. The Independent Budget Office said it costs a whopping $325 a day to hou…

www.nydailynews.com

"It cost the city $116 million in 2016 to house inmates who couldn’t make bail and another $78 million to house those ordered held without bail, the IBO said."

116 million spent on jailing folk who can't afford bail? It cost 118k a year to jail someone at Rikers. How many people are being held because they couldn't pay a fine? How many people who had bail set at a thousand or two. And now taxpayers have to pay millions. The system is fucked

You got to watch the people behind the scenes. They get that money. Over 15 years ago I watched in one city here in Alabama where they put 8 or 9 people in a two man cell. For lunch it is a bologna sandwich and a peanut butter sandwich. And they had people doing prison time in a small city jail for pettie stuff. They even had dudes going to work from the cell. They get up in the morning and go to their regular job get off and come back to the cell. One dude was even arrested on his front porch for public drunk.

If you get arrested on a traffic ticket the judge will ask you are you going to pay the fine or sit it out. If you say sit it out when you get out of jail you still have to pay the fine. I called the judge by phone to explain what happened, he said yes it is an old civil law that say you cannot sit a fine out. I asked well why did you ask me if I was going to sit it our or pay the fine. He said look it is not my job to tell you the law. But I told him it is also not your job to try to fool people. It got upset and hung up.

Years before that in one city that use to have license checks and they looked for all kind of ways to give you a ticket. They would say they writing you a ticket because it is state law that you got to hand me your insurance card at the same time you hand me your license and registration. Then you go to court and the judge throw out the charge but you still got to pay court cost. Even if you got a ticket and you are guilty and just want to pay the ticket you got to wait until after court to do that so you are still stuck with the court cost. That same city if you have to go to jail because you could not pay the ticket when you get out you still owe the ticket and rent and board for the days you spent in jail. And some other states said they was going to start doing that.

We see that private prisons are making money off of injustice, county jail and city jail want some of that money also. Shit we watched presidents and vice presidents make tons of money off of robbing other countries and wanted the military to be proud of doing their dirty work. Even made moves to rob the ones they had doing their dirty work.
Everybody goes to school to learn how to keep this empire going for 13 families that rule the world.

 

[crazyace718]

There are a lot of people in jail for bail amounts that other folks consider no big deal. Other times, there has been cases where the bail seemed to be artificially high to the point where the person couldn't afford to get out. Kalief Browder spend three years in jail (pre-trial) because he couldn't afford the 3,000 for bail.

3,000 bail is 300 bond. His family was able to get the bail money. He wasn't allowed to post bail because he got arrested on a probation violation.

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

3,000 bail is 300 bond. His family was able to get the bail money. He wasn't allowed to post bail because he got arrested on a probation violation.

never heard that part. This is my understanding of what happened.

Kalief Browder Was In Jail Because He Couldn't Pay $3,000

Before suicide, before solitary, before a Dickensian court process, his story was one about bail.

www.themarshallproject.org

Kalief Browder was jailed because he couldn’t pay $3,000.

That’s the bail amount a judge first set back in 2010, after Browder was arrested at age 16 and charged with stealing a backpack. His family was unable to raise the money, so he was sent to Rikers Island, where he was held for the next three years before prosecutors in the Bronx decided to dismiss the charges. But once he was in the system, and despite efforts by his lawyer, even the initial bail offer was denied him.

 

[crazyace718]

More scare tactics. The bail reform is about cash bail on misdemeanors and low level offenses. Instead of talking about changing the system, they want to scare people. If there was still cash bail, homie would still be able to post bail for whatever the bail is and go harass his girlfriend.

cash bail does nothing but keep poor people in jail. It has nothing to do with safety. If you are cool with people with the means posting bail. Your argument is not about public safety. Having the means to post bail does not mean you are inherently safer to the community than someone who doesn’t have it.

Having the means to post bail doesn't mean that you're inherently more safe to the general public. It does mean that judges have a way to lock up people that they believe are dangerous or are going to skip court. Its like saying if 10 dangerous millionaires can make bail then we should release 10000 poor dangerous people into the community. Look at the charges these people atte getting released on. We're not talking about bail jumping. Read up on the facts.

 

[crazyace718]

never heard that part. This is my understanding of what happened.

Kalief Browder Was In Jail Because He Couldn't Pay $3,000

Before suicide, before solitary, before a Dickensian court process, his story was one about bail.

www.themarshallproject.org

Kalief Browder was jailed because he couldn’t pay $3,000.

That’s the bail amount a judge first set back in 2010, after Browder was arrested at age 16 and charged with stealing a backpack. His family was unable to raise the money, so he was sent to Rikers Island, where he was held for the next three years before prosecutors in the Bronx decided to dismiss the charges. But once he was in the system, and despite efforts by his lawyer, even the initial bail offer was denied him.

Bro look into it. People just don't like talking about it. Just like they don't talk about his gang affiliation, mental health issues before jail or his rapist brother.

 

[Mack1052]

I understand people minding their business but I woulda had to say something if it happened right in front of me

 

[xxxbishopxxx]

Bro look into it. People just don't like talking about it. Just like they don't talk about his gang affiliation, mental health issues before jail or his rapist brother.

It looks we both got a part of the story. Apparently, he had a chance to bail out and he couldn't afford to do so. 74 days later, they went to court and when the judge saw his probation violation,he rescinded the bail offer.

From the same link:

On July 28, 2010, 74 days after Browder entered Rikers, he appeared before a judge and pleaded not guilty. He wanted to go to trial. But this wasn’t Browder’s first run-in with the law. At the time of his arrest for the stolen backpack, he was on probation in an earlier case, so the new charge was a violation of his probation. For that reason, the judge remanded him without bail, meaning that even if his family could have raised enough money, paying for his release was no longer an option. Browder’s public defender said he made multiple bail applications over the subsequent years that were repeatedly denied because of the probation violation.

 

[pookie]

A large part of the problem is the judgement of the judges.

‘This is true and I’ve said plenty of times that judges will have a white defendant in front of them and start thinking about one of their WHITE own family members who made have done the same or a similar crime and feel that they just needed a second chance and sentence the white defendan based on that BUT when a black/Brown defendant is in front of them their only thought is following the letter of the law. 9 times out 10 when you hear about a crime and the sentence handed down that you think is to harsh or to lenient you can guess the race of the defendant

 

[pookie]

I understand people minding their business but I woulda had to say something if it happened right in front of me

Yeah I would have to but i would’ve been more angry at the woman than the guy because instead of leaving the scene she kept coming back. The dude came in there and started punching her, I get him off her and, he leaves and goes to get a knife and she is waiting right by the door for him when he comes back in, he assaults her again and leaves and when he comes back once again she is at the door waiting on him...smh. The article said they had only been dating about a month so in that short of time he has shown he is violent there should be no trying to talk it out with him

 

[b_visionary]

The guy needs help and jail dont help nobody.

 

[Mack1052]

Yeah I would have to but i would’ve been more angry at the woman than the guy because instead of leaving the scene she kept coming back. The dude came in there and started punching her, I get him off her and, he leaves and goes to get a knife and she is waiting right by the door for him when he comes back in, he assaults her again and leaves and when he comes back once again she is at the door waiting on him...smh. The article said they had only been dating about a month so in that short of time he has shown he is violent there should be no trying to talk it out with him

I think it's the reverse actually. He kept going in and out the building, waiting for her to leave to really get his hands on her. She waited inside because she was scared

 

[34real]

Bail reform has nothing to do with this fucker here,what was he going to do with that knife? but anyways it's set up to release people in there on petty crimes like thief and other small minor infractions because come friday those places become over crowded and 90% of them are repeats and there for small things that would equal serious jail time and no overtime pay for those fat fuckers they call the police.

This guy here is only another level and she better get an order out on him or a pistol because son is about those close from killing her.He needs his ass kicked

 

[crazyace718]

Bail reform has nothing to do with this fucker here,what was he going to do with that knife? but anyways it's set up to release people in there on petty crimes like thief and other small minor infractions because come friday those places become over crowded and 90% of them are repeats and there for small things that would equal serious jail time and no overtime pay for those fat fuckers they call the police.

This guy here is only another level and she better get an order out on him or a pistol because son is about those close from killing her.He needs his ass kicked

So these are small petty crimes? Can you read?

 

[Mello Mello]

That’s some bullshit he assaulted her then retrieved a knife ready to kill her.

How does that meet the criteria for bail reform?

Seems like that shit is sabotage from the beginning to be made a mockery of.

 

[p5ych3]

Shawty was kinda thick yo.

 

[hardawayz16]

Suspect in brutal mugging of elderly woman caught on video released under new bail law

Not even this brutal, caught-on-video mugging — in which a struggling 83-year-old woman was dragged to the ground, and her purse wrenched away — is enough to get a suspect locked up these days under the state’s new bail reform law.

Exclusive video obtained by The Post allegedly shows 56-year-old Dana White, of Jamaica, Queens, walking up behind the victim in front of a building on Eldridge St. on the Lower East Side at about 5:45 a.m. Monday.

When the woman, who was walking with a cane, turns to escape his grasp, the thief puts his arms around her neck and drags her to the ground, the video shows. The brave woman struggles on the pavement and waves her cane as she tries to fight off the fiend, who soon yanks her purse from around her neck and leaves her on the ground.

“She was a tough old woman who didn’t want to give it up,” a law enforcement source told The Post of the victim and her precious purse.

Cops were fuming after the release, the latest in a string of repeat offenders sent back onto the streets under the new law, which requires a robbery to have caused an injury before a judge is allowed to set bail.

The sturdy senior had declined medical assistance at the scene.

Suspect in brutal mugging of elderly woman caught on video released under new bail law

Exclusive video obtained by The Post shows the attacker walking up behind the 83-year-old victim in front of a building on Eldridge St. on the Lower East Side at about 5:45 a.m. Monday.

nypost.com

 

[crazyace718]

Suspect in brutal mugging of elderly woman caught on video released under new bail law

Not even this brutal, caught-on-video mugging — in which a struggling 83-year-old woman was dragged to the ground, and her purse wrenched away — is enough to get a suspect locked up these days under the state’s new bail reform law.

Exclusive video obtained by The Post allegedly shows 56-year-old Dana White, of Jamaica, Queens, walking up behind the victim in front of a building on Eldridge St. on the Lower East Side at about 5:45 a.m. Monday.

When the woman, who was walking with a cane, turns to escape his grasp, the thief puts his arms around her neck and drags her to the ground, the video shows. The brave woman struggles on the pavement and waves her cane as she tries to fight off the fiend, who soon yanks her purse from around her neck and leaves her on the ground.

“She was a tough old woman who didn’t want to give it up,” a law enforcement source told The Post of the victim and her precious purse.

Cops were fuming after the release, the latest in a string of repeat offenders sent back onto the streets under the new law, which requires a robbery to have caused an injury before a judge is allowed to set bail.

The sturdy senior had declined medical assistance at the scene.

Suspect in brutal mugging of elderly woman caught on video released under new bail law

Exclusive video obtained by The Post shows the attacker walking up behind the 83-year-old victim in front of a building on Eldridge St. on the Lower East Side at about 5:45 a.m. Monday.

nypost.com

We have member's that read stories like this and still claim that bail reform is only for petty non violent crimes.

 

[Mello Mello]

We have member's that read stories like this and still claim that bail reform is only for petty non violent crimes.

It SHOULD BE for petty non violent crimes.

 

[crazyace718]

It SHOULD BE for petty non violent crimes.

But it isn't....

 

[tajshan]

When I saw the list that they had for releasing people, I knew it was a fail. It's like they want it to fail on purpose so they can say "we tried!!!'

This shit should have been for non-violent offenses and non-weapon crimes. So if you popped with an illegal gun, you still sit even though it wasn't a violent crime.

Shit, but I'm extreme and don't believe in drug prohibition, so I damn sure don't think folks need to make bail over drug charges.