Kaepernick will work out for NFL teams in Atlanta

[ViCiouS]

again, Kaerpernick sued the NFL for collusion and settled via arbitration. Kaepernick claims he wants to play in the NFL again and was offered a modified waiver. Why would the NFL open themselves up to more liability to someone known to try to screw them over?

your op was inaccurate - and you continue with this reply

The NFL wasn't limiting liability - cause they are already in the shit - the waiver was an attempt to have undermined their opponent in an ongoing legal dispute

the NFL was already vulnerable to further legal action from Kap before the workout because Kap had not had any inquiries or workout offers from any teams

worse yet - the NFL scheduling a workout and getting 25 teams to show up strengthens Kap's case of on going collusion if the 2 parties return to arbitration...

so -why do you advocate that a person should surrender their ability to protect their legal rights against a potential employer? It sounds very un-American

-why should Kap surrender his legal rights to get a chance of getting a job? would you do that?

 

[gene cisco]

willful ignorance...


the only reporting I suggested you read was the link I tagged for you
that is the latest report with both the NFL and Kaps time lines
a host of new details and agreed upon facts from both sides

as well as mistakes made by both sides

including interviews with:
the NFL exec that negotiated the workout
Kaps lawyer, and his agent
and people that helped Kap move to the high school

some of the new facts to emerge:
1. they had waiver talks ongoing before Friday- and initially there was a laundry list of other problems

2. the NFL and Kaps team agreed on media silence regarding negotiations before the nfl announced the workout

3. All of the 32 teams found out about the workout the same way we did


I asked you before: if you have no knowledge or experience in a subject- how can you have valid expectations regarding that subject?
Also please look at the quality of person/poster that latched onto your post to inject his personal coonery / bigotry into the conversation

1. That wasn't a new fact. I posted about Kaep's team having the fucking waiver on Wednesday. The linked piece confirms that and says only 'minor' details needed to be addressed.
2. Saw that, but the NFL sent out emails the first fucking day when they weren't supposed to. Kaep's team should have been aggressive with protecting his rep.
3. Exactly.

You asked me before, I looked at more of the reports, and still none of the shit makes fucking sense to be handled how it was. If the NFL is trying to pull Kaep's pants down, last fucking thing I'd agree to is media silence. NFL back stabbed him day one and they still playing fair and talking plan B friday evening. Fucking pathetic.

 

[xfactor]

I read all the reporting.

Both sides are to blame because neither side changed.

The NFL are still multi-billionaires who only deal in take it or leave it terms. Kap is still a man who believes in putting his ideals first.

More importantly, the power dynamic didnt change. The NFL is the employer and Kap is the employee.

Thats why the story needs to die, because that dynamic will never change.

Im good with Kap continuing his work within the community. I wish he gave the CFL a chance, he would kill it out there, but I know it aint happening.

this is what @ViCiouS fails to understand. For some reason he thinks Kaepernick is owed a job in the NFL or they have to placate his wishes and demands.

if Kaepernick wanted to play, he would, just like every other player that knelt, raised a fist, or sat out protesting the national anthem.
He isn’t blackballed because of alleged work against police brutality and uplifting the so-called black community because many players do that daily.

 

[ViCiouS]

1. That wasn't a new fact. I posted about Kaep's team having the fucking waiver on Wednesday. The linked piece confirms that and says only 'minor' details needed to be addressed.
2. Saw that, but the NFL sent out emails the first fucking day when they weren't supposed to. Kaep's team should have been aggressive with protecting his rep.
3. Exactly.

You asked me before, I looked at more of the reports, and still none of the shit makes fucking sense to be handled how it was. If the NFL is trying to pull Kaep's pants down, last fucking thing I'd agree to is media silence. NFL back stabbed him day one and they still playing fair and talking plan B friday evening. Fucking pathetic.

why do you keep thinking of this as a PR battle when through this whole debacle both sides were clearly moving to win the legal war first?

NFL wanted to get a PR win as a secondary goal while Kap's team stayed focused only on the legal win
-but just like the JZ rollout - NFL was inept and in some ways lazy, allowing Kap to initially get the PR stalemate on Sunday and Monday...

funny thing is as time moved on and as more facts keep coming out the NFL lost the stalemate too

As for the waiver - the linked piece talked in greater detail than the "minor details" quote - it explained in great detail changes made to the NFL waiver as they got closer to the work out
(coaches added, initial agreement at 1230p Sat to use standard waiver on NFL form / stationary) what the timeline and communications were like and the breadth and uniqueness of details surrounding the negotiations

thats why I keep asking you - if you never had any exposure to anything like this
never irl spoke to people that have seen how negotiations like these come together or fail for various reasons...
Why do you consider your expectations to be valid?

 

[ViCiouS]

this is what @ViCiouS fails to understand. For some reason he thinks Kaepernick is owed a job in the NFL or they have to placate his wishes and demands.

if Kaepernick wanted to play, he would, just like every other player that knelt, raised a fist, or sat out protesting the national anthem.
He isn’t blackballed because of alleged work against police brutality and uplifting the so-called black community because many players do that daily.

interesting how you continue your inaccuracy streak
every reply of yours so far is uninformed, and when debunked... you just type more ignorance
please quote a post of mine that supports your assumptions

Eric Reid is the only other NFL player that shares Kaps legal situation - but somehow he was never asked to surrender the ability to protect his legal rights to get a job

Its amazing to me how incompetent NFL execs and lawyers are.... if you are not working there already, you seem like a good fit for the NFL's culture of ineptitude

its also interesting how you avoid answering these questions:
As an american why do you keep advocating for someone to give away their rights?
would you give away your rights for a chance of getting a job?

 

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[xfactor]

interesting how you continue your inaccuracy streak
every reply of yours so far is uninformed, and when debunked... you just type more ignorance
please quote a post of mine that supports your assumptions

Eric Reid is the only other NFL player that shares Kaps legal situation - but somehow he was never asked to surrender the ability to protect his legal rights to get a job

Its amazing to me how incompetent NFL execs and lawyers are.... if you are not working there already, you seem like a good fit for the NFL's culture of ineptitude

its also interesting how you avoid answering these questions:
As an american why do you keep advocating for someone to give away their rights?
would you give away your rights for a chance of getting a job?

you haven’t debunked anything. you can’t even stay on track.

Reid had no problem going back to the NFL or “massa” as you call it. What is the problem with Kaepernick?

there are plenty of NFL execs and lawyers that are incompetent (Kaepernick’s team has a few which are obvious).

I’m not advocating anyone to give away their rights. Anyone that makes the choice to work for someone else has to abide by their rules. If you work a corporate job or have an EMPLOYER, guess what? You’ve given away rights and if you don’t abide by their code of conduct, they can terminate you.

if Kaepernick didn’t want to sign their waiver, which nobody has yet to post, he didn’t have to. He also didn’t have to work out.

there are plenty of professional leagues Kaepernick could have played in. The NFL is not a right. if so, you would be playing in it as well...oh, except for when you have to sign your life away

 

[ViCiouS]

you haven’t debunked anything. you can’t even stay on track.

Reid had no problem going back to the NFL or “massa” as you call it. What is the problem with Kaepernick?

there are plenty of NFL execs and lawyers that are incompetent (Kaepernick’s team has a few which are obvious).

I’m not advocating anyone to give away their rights. Anyone that makes the choice to work for someone else has to abide by their rules. If you work a corporate job or have an EMPLOYER, guess what? You’ve given away rights and if you don’t abide by their code of conduct, they can terminate you.

if Kaepernick didn’t want to sign their waiver, which nobody has yet to post, he didn’t have to. He also didn’t have to work out.

there are plenty of professional leagues Kaepernick could have played in. The NFL is not a right. if so, you would be playing in it as well...oh, except for when you have to sign your life away

- wow....

so you imagine that taking a job requires you to surrender your legal rights?

fyi the rules / laws every employer in the US has to follow are the -EEOC
https://www.eeoc.gov
any employer trying to void them by asking you to sign away those rights is breaking the law

in addition to the above
the rules that govern NFL and players are the NFL/ NFLPA
Collective Bargaining Agreement

Kap has followed those rules while the NFL has ongoing legal jeopardy because they haven't
and now they asked him to sign a waiver that potentially violates their own cba

so yes you are advocating for someone to sign away their legal rights for a job opportunity

again.... Eric Reid was not asked to sign a waiver forcing him to surrender his ability to protect his legal rights...

everything in your last post was debunked in the 18 pages of this very thread

the nfl waiver was online for all to read by last week Monday

https://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/nov-16-workout-release-and-waiver.pdf

both waivers were posted earlier in this thread (I linked the NFL above for you )
along with legal breakdowns and articles





one more thing:
This was always a legal dispute - The argument is never about whether Kap can get a job elsewhere
that is irrelevant

The legal argument is:
Were his employment rights, that are guaranteed under the CBA, violated by teams colluding not to hire him? If proven, according to the rules laid out in the CBA, the NFL owed him lost potential wages

That question still exists and so far the NFL is on the path to a repeat-
As long as Kap is willing and able to play and no team gives him a tryout...
The NFL is on a path to a repeat.



so again I ask you:
Why are you advocating against someone protecting their legal rights?

Why are you advocating against a person seeking financial compensation if they believe their rights have been violated?

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

White folks are losing their minds over this tweet..

 

[hocjo2626]

White folks are losing their minds over this tweet..

Fuck'em and their anger. Truth hurts them crackas.

Thank you to Kaep. So far, you a real one my brother. I pray for your safety Kaep. I say that because I can see some fucking right wing racist nut trying to assassinate him. Especially if they see him as an immediate threat. Kaep out there in them streets. Where you crackas and coons at?

 

[Thedod]

So all that and he still is not on a team

 

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[Amajorfucup]

Let it go bitch.

And take your own advice on Kaepernick whore.

 

[Dr. Truth]

Shut the fuck up you cac whore!!! Vick is a hero. I’m an advocate for more pitbull torture. He’s my Chris Dorner for Pits. Kill them all

 

[sharkbait28]

I can't relate even a little bit to y'all dudes who have all this hateful/dismissive energy towards Kaepernick. Not even a fucking iota. Thankful I don't have any brothers on this fuck-shit in my personal circle

 

[Multi - P Limited]

He’s my Chris Dorner for Pits. Kill them all

Da fuck?!?

 

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ESPN's Stephen A. Smith Fires Back At Jemele Hill On Twitter

Earlier: Oftentimes, the most entertaining Twitter disagreements are the ones you don't see coming, like today's back-and-forth between Jemele Hill and Stephen

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ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith Fires Back At Jemele Hill On Twitter

Earlier: Oftentimes, the most entertaining Twitter disagreements are the ones you don’t see coming, like today’s back-and-forth between Jemele Hill and Stephen A. Smith.

Earlier today, Hill, a former colleague of Smith’s at ESPN, responded to a video clip featuring Smith saying he and Jay Z were partially responsible for Colin Kaepernick’s NFL workout last month.

“Arguably ESPN’s most prominent talent admitting to help orchestrate a workout for Colin Kaepernick … yeah let me go back to minding my business. Guards!” Hill tweeted.



Depending on how you look at it, that tweet could be interpreted as a shot at Smith, the NFL or ESPN, Hill’s old employer.

Her next tweet definitely seemed like a dig at Smith though.





Naturally, Stephen A. saw the original tweet and has aired out his response.

As expected, he didn’t hold back.



The interesting thing about this squabble is that both Hill and Smith have been vocal supporters of Kaepernick in the past. Smith did take the quarterback to task for how he handled the workout, and in doing so, received plenty of criticism in return.

It’s doubtful that Hill and Smith have legit “beef” but it is interesting to see them go at it like this. We’ll see if anything more happens between the two.

Update: Looks like Hill will take her explanation off-line, which is probably smart.

Sports Media: Who U Got??? ESPN Stephen A. Smith Fires Back At Jemele Hill On Twitter

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ESPN’s Stephen A. Smith Gets In Twitter Back & Forth With Ex-Coworker Jemele Hill (TWEETS)

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[PaYpA]

Guess he ain’t going to playing any football

 

[playahaitian]

Guess he ain’t going to playing any football

Why not?

 

[PaYpA]

Why not?

He hasn’t came out and said anything and now he donating patties that’s going to have them people shitting everywhere ...

 

[playahaitian]

He hasn’t came out and said anything and now he donating patties that’s going to have them people shitting everywhere ...

I'm out

 

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