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This Philadelphia woman recorded three decades of television on 70,000 VHS tapes
by Gary Thompson, Updated: June 21, 2019

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She mistrusted media but recorded it obsessively for 30 years, created a close-knit surrogate family but led another to become estranged, and was a card-carrying communist who bought Apple stock at $7 and made a fortune.

How to explain the many contradictions of Marion Stokes, the Philadelphia woman who died in 2012 in a luxury apartment, surrounded by three decades of taped television and 40,000 books?

An excellent start is the documentary Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project, an engrossing look at her unusual life — an African American woman of humble Philly origins who ended up wealthy, reclusive, and living above Rittenhouse Square at a tony address, where she started recording TV round-the-clock in 1979 and didn’t stop until she died in 2012. According to a 2013 Inquirer story, she had filled roughly 70,000 videocassettes with about a million hours of programming.

On Friday, June 28, director Matt Wolf will host a screening of the film at the Lightbox Film Center. In attendance (and part of a post-screening discussion) will be some of the friends, family and associates featured in the documentary, which examines currents in Stokes’ life that converged in her desire to compile an unprecedented (and unmatched) stockpile of television content. Her recordings are in the hands of the Internet Archive in California, which is digitizing them to create a searchable database of incredible reach — incredible because the affiliates and networks often do not keep the tapes, so it is an invaluable, one-of-a-kind resource.>>



>> READ MORE: Marion Stokes’ obituary

A few years ago, Wolf read about the acquisition, and decided to poke around. As a documentary filmmaker who digs through archives for a living, he had a natural interest in Marion’s habits and her DIY video library, but what he found was something richer.

“What I knew was what I’d read, that there was a woman who’d recorded just about anything and everything for period of years,” said Wolf, who came to Philadelphia to see firsthand what she’d compiled in residence at the Barclay. He found more than a mountain of tapes. She also collected books, papers, magazines, and computers. “We certainly were not expecting to walk into a luxury apartment and find a large stockpile of Apple computers in their original boxes,”

Stokes was a former librarian who lost her job due to her political affiliations; she collected and organized everything. She also “collected” a surrogate family: a driver, a nurse, and a personal assistant. New Yorker Wolf met the latter while in Philadelphia.



“We went across the street to Parc, the restaurant where Marion would have a martini every day, and he started to cry, and I realized I had also come upon this intense family story, and this was not just a story about an archive, but a chance to use the archive to tell a story of the complicated person Marion was,” he said.

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Poster for Record: The Marion Stokes Project
Recorder contains surprising details of Marion’s extraordinary personal history, and many of those are best left for the documentary to reveal. (Can’t see it on Friday? It will receive a wider release in the future.)

It is less focused on her second husband, John S. Stokes Jr., heir to a Philadelphia manufacturing fortune and a key figure in her life and in the accumulation of the television archive. (The documentary was already too dense, Wolf said.)


Stokes’ father was industrialist John Stogdell Stokes, who made his fortune in the machinery business. Stokes Sr. became a philanthropist and social fixture who served more than a decade as a president of the Philadelphia Museum of Art — there is a portrait in the museum, painted by Diego Rivera, of his wife.

Stokes Jr. was born and raised a Quaker, was a conscientious objector during WWII, later converted to Catholicism, and became instrumental in re-popularizing Mary’s Gardens, formed of devotional flowers related to the Virgin Mary (he had a start-your-own Mary’s Garden seed business).

Stokes Jr. studied engineering at Lehigh, but did not take it up as a trade. He used his wealth to establish the Wellsprings Ecumenical Center in Germantown, devoted to interracial and interfaith progress, and produced a local TV show called Input for the CBS affiliate. One of the regular guests on the show was Marion, then Marion Metelits, an activist with a keen mind and ferocious advocate for the disenfranchised (on display in Recorder, which contains clips of the program).

They fell in love, were married after Stokes divorced his first wife, and remained so until his death in 2007. They had a shared interest in media — how news was collected and presented — but it was Marion who was the driving force in the recording and collection of the TV shows. Also the thousands books, papers, magazines, and hardware.



Was she a hoarder? A collector?

Recorder doesn’t draw an easy line. Marion had compulsions, but also insights, and well-reasoned motivations for her project, some of them expressed in the film (and in some of the old clips from the Input TV show).

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Marion Stokes' tapes from the documentary "Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project."
“Going into the film I was very committed to not resorting to a pat psychological explanation as a means of understanding someone who lived an unconventional life, and who aren’t around to speak for themselves. I think that’s unfair,” Wolf said.

Stokes began recording with the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, compiling a record of what she regarded as the questionable way mainstream media filtered news and presented facts. This grew from her lifelong attention to social justice, which led her to be recruited by the Communist Party, where she met her first husband, with whom she had her son Michael. Her political activism led to significant FBI surveillance and Marion’s understandable lifelong obsession with issues of power, privacy and media depictions of marginalized groups.



At the same time, her obsessions came at a great cost to personal relationships, and although some were repaired, others were not. She and husband John became insulated from others, and Stokes’ relationship with his family suffered.

The couple became increasingly reclusive, their several properties, including additional apartments in the Barclay, a place in New Hope, piled high with tapes. And Apple computers, though Wolf reports that Marion, despite her abiding interest in media and information, never used the internet. Never trusted it — she liked to record, not to be recorded. (Her Inquirer obituary mentions her love of Macintosh computers, but reports nothing on the tapes. Although her son, Michael Metelits, reported that she “enjoyed watching cable news shows and collecting dollhouses.”)

“She thought it would be used as a way to conduct surveillance on people, and she was right about that too,” Wolf said.

Recorder shows Marion as a person who could be exasperating and shrewd in equal measure. Not all of her habits were worth emulating, but she read 12 newspapers and drank one martini every day, and if more Americans followed that regimen, we’d unquestionably be a better nation.

Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project, 7 p.m. Friday, June 28, Lightbox Film Center, 3701 Chestnut St., $10, 215-895-6590, lightboxfilmcenter.org






Posted: June 21, 2019 - 5:00 AM
Gary Thompson | gthompson@inquirer.com
 
On Friday, June 28, director Matt Wolf will host a screening of the film at the Lightbox Film Center. In attendance (and part of a post-screening discussion) will be some of the friends, family and associates featured in the documentary, which examines currents in Stokes’ life that converged in her desire to compile an unprecedented (and unmatched) stockpile of television content. Her recordings are in the hands of the Internet Archive in California, which is digitizing them to create a searchable database of incredible reach — incredible because the affiliates and networks often do not keep the tapes, so it is an invaluable, one-of-a-kind resource.

I don't think I'd watch the documentary but I'm curious about the tapes.
 
what she has is an archive of a lot of events and programs that probably no one even the networks and tv stations themselves don't have. old obscure commercials and programs with people and things that people are scouring youtube for and can't find or think are lost forever. She may have been crazy as cat shit but she probably made an important contribution to recorded human events more than anyone realizes.


don't forget that Universal had a fire in 2008 that destroyed over 400,000 master tapes of many artists.

According to The New York Times Magazine, some of the nearly 700 artists whose original master recordings were destroyed include:

50 Cent
Johnny Ace
Nat Adderley
Aerosmith
Rhett Atkins
Steve Allen
Ames Brothers
The Andrews Sisters
Paul Anka
Adam Ant
Joan Armatrading
Louis Armstrong
Asia
Asleep at the Wheel
Audioslave
Patti Austin
Average White Band
Hoyt Axton
Burt Bacharach
Joan Baez
Chet Baker
Hank Ballard
The Banana Splits
Count Basie
Fontella Bass
The Beat Farmers
Beck
Captain Beefheart
Archie Bell & the Drells
Bell Biv DeVoe
George Benson
Berlin
Elmer Bernstein
Chuck Berry
Blackstreet
Art Blakey
Hal Blaine
Bobby "Blue" Bland
The Blind Boys of Alabama
Mary J. Blige
Blink-182
Blues Traveler
Pat Boone
Boston
Jackie Brenston
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
Brothers Johnson
Bobby Brown
Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown
Les Brown
Dave Brubeck
Jimmy Buffett
Carol Burnett
T-Bone Burnett
Johnny Burnette
Busta Rhymes
Cab Calloway
The Call
Glen Campbell
Captain & Tennille
Irene Cara
Belinda Carlisle
Eric Carmen
The Carpenters
The Carter Family
Peter Case
Ray Charles
Cheech & Chong
Cher
The Chi-Lites
Eric Clapton
Petula Clark
Roy Clark
Merry Clayton
Jimmy Cliff
Patsy Cline
Rosemary Clooney
Wayne Cochran
Joe Cocker
Ornette Coleman
Judy Collins
Alice Coltrane
John Coltrane
Common
Rita Coolidge
Bill Cosby
Counting Crows
Deborah Cox
Marshall Crenshaw
The Crew-Cuts
Bing Crosby
David Crosby
Sheryl Crow
The Cuff Links
Tim Curry
The Damned
Danny & The Juniors
Rodney Dangerfield
Bobby Darin
Sammy Davis Jr.
Chris de Burgh
The Dells
The Del-Vikings
Sandy Denny
Neil Diamond
Bo Diddley
The Dixie Hummingbirds
Willie Dixon
DJ Shadow
Fats Domino
Jimmy Dorsey
Lee Dorsey
Tommy Dorsey
The Dream Syndicate
Jimmy Durante
Eagles
Steve Earle
Danny Elfman
Duke Ellington
Cass Elliot
Joe Ely
John Entwistle
Eminem
Eric B. & Rakim
Don Everly
Extreme
Harold Faltermeyer
Freddy Fender
The 5th Dimension
Ella Fitzgerald
The Fixx
The Flamingos
King Floyd
The Flying Burrito Brothers
John Fogerty
Red Foley
The Four Aces
Four Tops
Peter Frampton
Aretha Franklin
C. L. Franklin
Glenn Frey
Lefty Frizzell
Harvey Fuqua
Nelly Furtado
Judy Garland
Larry Gatlin
Gene Loves Jezebel
Barry Gibb
Georgia Gibbs
Dizzy Gillespie
Gin Blossoms
Tompall Glaser
Glass Harp
Whoopi Goldberg
Golden Earring
Benny Goodman
Dexter Gordon
Lesley Gore
Grand Funk Railroad
Amy Grant
The Grass Roots
Dobie Gray
Al Green
Lee Greenwood
Patty Griffin
Nanci Griffith
Guns N' Roses
Buddy Guy
Buddy Hackett
Charlie Haden
Merle Haggard
Bill Haley & His Comets
George Hamilton IV
Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
Marvin Hamlisch
Jan Hammer
Slim Harpo
Richard Harris
Dan Hartman
Dale Hawkins
Richie Havens
Head East
Heavy D
Bobby Helms
Don Henley
Clarence "Frogman" Henry
John Hiatt
Dan Hicks
Hole
Billie Holiday
Buddy Holly
John Lee Hooker
Bob Hope
Thelma Houston
Howlin' Wolf
Humble Pie
Engelbert Humperdinck
The Impressions
The Ink Spots
Iron Butterfly
Burl Ives
Janet Jackson
Joe Jackson
Ahmad Jamal
Etta James
Elmore James
James Gang
Keith Jarrett
Jason & The Scorchers
Jawbreaker
The Jets
Jimmy Eat World
Jodeci
Elton John
K-Ci & JoJo
Al Jolson
Booker T. Jones
George Jones
Quincy Jones
Rickie Lee Jones
Tom Jones
Louis Jordan
The Jordanaires
Jurassic 5
Bert Kaempfert
Kansas
Boris Karloff
Sammy Kaye
Toby Keith
Gene Kelly
Chaka Khan
B.B. King
Martin Luther King Jr.
The Kingsmen
The Kingston Trio
Eartha Kitt
Klymaxx
Gladys Knight & The Pips
Krokus
Patti LaBelle
Frankie Lane
Brenda Lee
Peggy Lee
The Lennon Sisters
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jerry Lewis
Liberace
Lifehouse
Enoch Light
The Lightning Seeds
Limp Bizkit
Lisa Loeb
Little Milton
Little River Band
Little Walter
Lobo
Lone Justice
Guy Lombardo
The Louvin Brothers
Love
Patty Loveless
Lyle Lovett
Loretta Lynn
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Miriam Makeba
The Mamas and the Papas
Melissa Manchester
Barbara Mandrell
Chuck Mangione
Steve Marriott
Groucho Marx
Hugh Masekela
Dave Mason
Matthews Southern Comfort
The Mavericks
John Mayall
Delbert McClinton
Van McCoy
Reba McEntire
Barry McGuire
Maria McKee
Marian McPartland
Clyde McPhatter
Meat Loaf
John Mellencamp
Memphis Slim
Sergio Mendes
Ethel Merman
Pat Metheny
Roger Miller
The Mills Brothers
Liza Minnelli
Charles Mingus
Joni Mitchell
Wes Montgomery
The Moody Blues
The Moonglows
Ennio Morricone
Mos Def
Martin Mull
Johnny Nash
Nazareth
Nelson
Ricky Nelson
Aaron Neville
The Neville Brothers
New Edition
New Riders of the Purple Sage
Olivia Newton-John
Night Ranger
Leonard Nimoy
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
No Doubt
The Oak Ridge Boys
Ric Ocasek
Phil Ochs
Oingo Boingo
The O'Jays
Spooner Oldham
Yoko Ono
Orleans
Jeffrey Osborne
The Outfield
Junior Parker
Ray Parker Jr.
Dolly Parton
Les Paul
Peaches & Herb
CeCe Peniston
The Persuasions
Bernadette Peters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Poco
The Pointer Sisters
Doc Pomus
Iggy Pop
Billy Preston
Lloyd Price
Louis Prima
Primus
Puddle of Mudd
The Pussycat Dolls
Quarterflash
Queen Latifah
Sun Ra
Gerry Rafferty
Della Reese
Martha Reeves
R.E.M.
Debbie Reynolds
Emitt Rhodes
Buddy Rich
Riders in the Sky
Stan Ridgway
Max Roach
The Roches
Chris Rock
Tommy Roe
Sonny Rollins
The Roots
Rose Royce
Rotary Connection
Rufus
Otis Rush
Brenda Russell
Leon Russell
Pee Wee Russell
Mitch Ryder
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Pharoah Sanders
Neil Sedaka
Semisonic
Charlie Sexton
Tupac Shakur
Dinah Shore
Silver Apples
Shel Silverstein
Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons
P.F. Sloan
Smash Mouth
Kate Smith
Patty Smyth
Snoop Dogg
Jill Sobule
Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
Soundgarden
Southern Culture on the Skids
Spinal Tap
Squeeze
Jo Stafford
Chris Stamey
Stealers Wheel
Steely Dan
Gwen Stefani
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Sting
George Strait
Strawberry Alarm Clock
Strawbs
Steve and Eydie
Styx
Sublime
Supertramp
The Surfaris
The Tams
t.A.T.u.
Temple of the Dog
Tesla
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robin Thicke
B.J. Thomas
Irma Thomas
Rufus Thomas
Big Mama Thornton
Three Dog Night
The Three Stooges
Tiffany
Mel Tormé
The Tragically Hip
The Tubes
Tanya Tucker
Ike Turner
Conway Twitty
McCoy Tyner
Billy Vaughan
Suzanne Vega
Veruca Salt
Bobby Vinton
Voivod
Rufus Wainwright
Rick Wakeman
The Wallflowers
Joe Walsh
Wang Chung
Clara Ward
Was (Not Was)
War
Muddy Waters
Jody Watley
Johnny "Guitar" Watson
Weezer
We Five
Lawrence Welk
Mae West
Barry White
Whitesnake
White Zombie
The Who
Kim Wilde
John Williams
Paul Williams
Roger Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson
Walter Winchell
Johnny Winter
Wishbone Ash
Bobby Womack
Lee Ann Womack
Wrecks-N-Effect
Faron Young
Neil Young
Y&T
Rob Zombie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_fire

much of that stuff is backed up electronically but many of those recordings are gone forever.
 
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what she has is an archive of a lot of events and programs that probably no one even the networks and tv stations themselves don't have. old obscure commercials and programs with people and things that people are scouring youtube for and can't find or think are lost forever. She may have been crazy as cat shit but she probably made an important contribution to recorded human events more than anyone realizes.


don't forget that Universal had a fire in 2008 that destroyed over 400,000 master tapes of many artists.

According to The New York Times Magazine, some of the nearly 700 artists whose original master recordings were destroyed include:

50 Cent
Johnny Ace
Nat Adderley
Aerosmith
Rhett Atkins
Steve Allen
Ames Brothers
The Andrews Sisters
Paul Anka
Adam Ant
Joan Armatrading
Louis Armstrong
Asia
Asleep at the Wheel
Audioslave
Patti Austin
Average White Band
Hoyt Axton
Burt Bacharach
Joan Baez
Chet Baker
Hank Ballard
The Banana Splits
Count Basie
Fontella Bass
The Beat Farmers
Beck
Captain Beefheart
Archie Bell & the Drells
Bell Biv DeVoe
George Benson
Berlin
Elmer Bernstein
Chuck Berry
Blackstreet
Art Blakey
Hal Blaine
Bobby "Blue" Bland
The Blind Boys of Alabama
Mary J. Blige
Blink-182
Blues Traveler
Pat Boone
Boston
Jackie Brenston
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
Brothers Johnson
Bobby Brown
Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown
Les Brown
Dave Brubeck
Jimmy Buffett
Carol Burnett
T-Bone Burnett
Johnny Burnette
Busta Rhymes
Cab Calloway
The Call
Glen Campbell
Captain & Tennille
Irene Cara
Belinda Carlisle
Eric Carmen
The Carpenters
The Carter Family
Peter Case
Ray Charles
Cheech & Chong
Cher
The Chi-Lites
Eric Clapton
Petula Clark
Roy Clark
Merry Clayton
Jimmy Cliff
Patsy Cline
Rosemary Clooney
Wayne Cochran
Joe Cocker
Ornette Coleman
Judy Collins
Alice Coltrane
John Coltrane
Common
Rita Coolidge
Bill Cosby
Counting Crows
Deborah Cox
Marshall Crenshaw
The Crew-Cuts
Bing Crosby
David Crosby
Sheryl Crow
The Cuff Links
Tim Curry
The Damned
Danny & The Juniors
Rodney Dangerfield
Bobby Darin
Sammy Davis Jr.
Chris de Burgh
The Dells
The Del-Vikings
Sandy Denny
Neil Diamond
Bo Diddley
The Dixie Hummingbirds
Willie Dixon
DJ Shadow
Fats Domino
Jimmy Dorsey
Lee Dorsey
Tommy Dorsey
The Dream Syndicate
Jimmy Durante
Eagles
Steve Earle
Danny Elfman
Duke Ellington
Cass Elliot
Joe Ely
John Entwistle
Eminem
Eric B. & Rakim
Don Everly
Extreme
Harold Faltermeyer
Freddy Fender
The 5th Dimension
Ella Fitzgerald
The Fixx
The Flamingos
King Floyd
The Flying Burrito Brothers
John Fogerty
Red Foley
The Four Aces
Four Tops
Peter Frampton
Aretha Franklin
C. L. Franklin
Glenn Frey
Lefty Frizzell
Harvey Fuqua
Nelly Furtado
Judy Garland
Larry Gatlin
Gene Loves Jezebel
Barry Gibb
Georgia Gibbs
Dizzy Gillespie
Gin Blossoms
Tompall Glaser
Glass Harp
Whoopi Goldberg
Golden Earring
Benny Goodman
Dexter Gordon
Lesley Gore
Grand Funk Railroad
Amy Grant
The Grass Roots
Dobie Gray
Al Green
Lee Greenwood
Patty Griffin
Nanci Griffith
Guns N' Roses
Buddy Guy
Buddy Hackett
Charlie Haden
Merle Haggard
Bill Haley & His Comets
George Hamilton IV
Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
Marvin Hamlisch
Jan Hammer
Slim Harpo
Richard Harris
Dan Hartman
Dale Hawkins
Richie Havens
Head East
Heavy D
Bobby Helms
Don Henley
Clarence "Frogman" Henry
John Hiatt
Dan Hicks
Hole
Billie Holiday
Buddy Holly
John Lee Hooker
Bob Hope
Thelma Houston
Howlin' Wolf
Humble Pie
Engelbert Humperdinck
The Impressions
The Ink Spots
Iron Butterfly
Burl Ives
Janet Jackson
Joe Jackson
Ahmad Jamal
Etta James
Elmore James
James Gang
Keith Jarrett
Jason & The Scorchers
Jawbreaker
The Jets
Jimmy Eat World
Jodeci
Elton John
K-Ci & JoJo
Al Jolson
Booker T. Jones
George Jones
Quincy Jones
Rickie Lee Jones
Tom Jones
Louis Jordan
The Jordanaires
Jurassic 5
Bert Kaempfert
Kansas
Boris Karloff
Sammy Kaye
Toby Keith
Gene Kelly
Chaka Khan
B.B. King
Martin Luther King Jr.
The Kingsmen
The Kingston Trio
Eartha Kitt
Klymaxx
Gladys Knight & The Pips
Krokus
Patti LaBelle
Frankie Lane
Brenda Lee
Peggy Lee
The Lennon Sisters
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jerry Lewis
Liberace
Lifehouse
Enoch Light
The Lightning Seeds
Limp Bizkit
Lisa Loeb
Little Milton
Little River Band
Little Walter
Lobo
Lone Justice
Guy Lombardo
The Louvin Brothers
Love
Patty Loveless
Lyle Lovett
Loretta Lynn
Lynyrd Skynyrd
Miriam Makeba
The Mamas and the Papas
Melissa Manchester
Barbara Mandrell
Chuck Mangione
Steve Marriott
Groucho Marx
Hugh Masekela
Dave Mason
Matthews Southern Comfort
The Mavericks
John Mayall
Delbert McClinton
Van McCoy
Reba McEntire
Barry McGuire
Maria McKee
Marian McPartland
Clyde McPhatter
Meat Loaf
John Mellencamp
Memphis Slim
Sergio Mendes
Ethel Merman
Pat Metheny
Roger Miller
The Mills Brothers
Liza Minnelli
Charles Mingus
Joni Mitchell
Wes Montgomery
The Moody Blues
The Moonglows
Ennio Morricone
Mos Def
Martin Mull
Johnny Nash
Nazareth
Nelson
Ricky Nelson
Aaron Neville
The Neville Brothers
New Edition
New Riders of the Purple Sage
Olivia Newton-John
Night Ranger
Leonard Nimoy
Nine Inch Nails
Nirvana
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
No Doubt
The Oak Ridge Boys
Ric Ocasek
Phil Ochs
Oingo Boingo
The O'Jays
Spooner Oldham
Yoko Ono
Orleans
Jeffrey Osborne
The Outfield
Junior Parker
Ray Parker Jr.
Dolly Parton
Les Paul
Peaches & Herb
CeCe Peniston
The Persuasions
Bernadette Peters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Poco
The Pointer Sisters
Doc Pomus
Iggy Pop
Billy Preston
Lloyd Price
Louis Prima
Primus
Puddle of Mudd
The Pussycat Dolls
Quarterflash
Queen Latifah
Sun Ra
Gerry Rafferty
Della Reese
Martha Reeves
R.E.M.
Debbie Reynolds
Emitt Rhodes
Buddy Rich
Riders in the Sky
Stan Ridgway
Max Roach
The Roches
Chris Rock
Tommy Roe
Sonny Rollins
The Roots
Rose Royce
Rotary Connection
Rufus
Otis Rush
Brenda Russell
Leon Russell
Pee Wee Russell
Mitch Ryder
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Pharoah Sanders
Neil Sedaka
Semisonic
Charlie Sexton
Tupac Shakur
Dinah Shore
Silver Apples
Shel Silverstein
Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons
P.F. Sloan
Smash Mouth
Kate Smith
Patty Smyth
Snoop Dogg
Jill Sobule
Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
Soundgarden
Southern Culture on the Skids
Spinal Tap
Squeeze
Jo Stafford
Chris Stamey
Stealers Wheel
Steely Dan
Gwen Stefani
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Sting
George Strait
Strawberry Alarm Clock
Strawbs
Steve and Eydie
Styx
Sublime
Supertramp
The Surfaris
The Tams
t.A.T.u.
Temple of the Dog
Tesla
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robin Thicke
B.J. Thomas
Irma Thomas
Rufus Thomas
Big Mama Thornton
Three Dog Night
The Three Stooges
Tiffany
Mel Tormé
The Tragically Hip
The Tubes
Tanya Tucker
Ike Turner
Conway Twitty
McCoy Tyner
Billy Vaughan
Suzanne Vega
Veruca Salt
Bobby Vinton
Voivod
Rufus Wainwright
Rick Wakeman
The Wallflowers
Joe Walsh
Wang Chung
Clara Ward
Was (Not Was)
War
Muddy Waters
Jody Watley
Johnny "Guitar" Watson
Weezer
We Five
Lawrence Welk
Mae West
Barry White
Whitesnake
White Zombie
The Who
Kim Wilde
John Williams
Paul Williams
Roger Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson
Walter Winchell
Johnny Winter
Wishbone Ash
Bobby Womack
Lee Ann Womack
Wrecks-N-Effect
Faron Young
Neil Young
Y&T
Rob Zombie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_fire

much of that stuff is backed up electronically but many of those recordings are gone forever.

So are their lawsuits pending..


Universal on that bullshit

Found a way to steal artist legacy without

Having to murder them....
 
Wow i cant wait to see the doc
what she has is an archive of a lot of events and programs that probably no one even the networks and tv stations themselves don't have. old obscure commercials and programs with people and things that people are scouring youtube for and can't find or think are lost forever. She may have been crazy as cat shit but she probably made an important contribution to recorded human events more than anyone realizes.


don't forget that Universal had a fire in 2008 that destroyed over 400,000 master tapes of many artists.

According to The New York Times Magazine, some of the nearly 700 artists whose original master recordings were destroyed include:

50 Cent
Johnny Ace
Nat Adderley
Aerosmith
Rhett Atkins
Steve Allen
Ames Brothers
The Andrews Sisters
Paul Anka
Adam Ant
Joan Armatrading
Louis Armstrong
Asia
Asleep at the Wheel
Audioslave
Patti Austin
Average White Band
Hoyt Axton
Burt Bacharach
Joan Baez
Chet Baker
Hank Ballard
The Banana Splits
Count Basie
Fontella Bass
The Beat Farmers
Beck
Captain Beefheart
Archie Bell & the Drells
Bell Biv DeVoe
George Benson
Berlin
Elmer Bernstein
Chuck Berry
Blackstreet
Art Blakey
Hal Blaine
Bobby "Blue" Bland
The Blind Boys of Alabama
Mary J. Blige
Blink-182
Blues Traveler
Pat Boone
Boston
Jackie Brenston
Edie Brickell & New Bohemians
Brothers Johnson
Bobby Brown
Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown
Les Brown
Dave Brubeck
Jimmy Buffett
Carol Burnett
T-Bone Burnett
Johnny Burnette
Busta Rhymes
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The Call
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Captain & Tennille
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The Carpenters
The Carter Family
Peter Case
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Cheech & Chong
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Common
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Counting Crows
Deborah Cox
Marshall Crenshaw
The Crew-Cuts
Bing Crosby
David Crosby
Sheryl Crow
The Cuff Links
Tim Curry
The Damned
Danny & The Juniors
Rodney Dangerfield
Bobby Darin
Sammy Davis Jr.
Chris de Burgh
The Dells
The Del-Vikings
Sandy Denny
Neil Diamond
Bo Diddley
The Dixie Hummingbirds
Willie Dixon
DJ Shadow
Fats Domino
Jimmy Dorsey
Lee Dorsey
Tommy Dorsey
The Dream Syndicate
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Eagles
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Eminem
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Extreme
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Gene Loves Jezebel
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Dizzy Gillespie
Gin Blossoms
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Glass Harp
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Golden Earring
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Dexter Gordon
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Grand Funk Railroad
Amy Grant
The Grass Roots
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Al Green
Lee Greenwood
Patty Griffin
Nanci Griffith
Guns N' Roses
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Charlie Haden
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Bill Haley & His Comets
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Hamilton, Joe Frank & Reynolds
Marvin Hamlisch
Jan Hammer
Slim Harpo
Richard Harris
Dan Hartman
Dale Hawkins
Richie Havens
Head East
Heavy D
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Don Henley
Clarence "Frogman" Henry
John Hiatt
Dan Hicks
Hole
Billie Holiday
Buddy Holly
John Lee Hooker
Bob Hope
Thelma Houston
Howlin' Wolf
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Tom Jones
Louis Jordan
The Jordanaires
Jurassic 5
Bert Kaempfert
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Toby Keith
Gene Kelly
Chaka Khan
B.B. King
Martin Luther King Jr.
The Kingsmen
The Kingston Trio
Eartha Kitt
Klymaxx
Gladys Knight & The Pips
Krokus
Patti LaBelle
Frankie Lane
Brenda Lee
Peggy Lee
The Lennon Sisters
Jerry Lee Lewis
Jerry Lewis
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The Lightning Seeds
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Love
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Melissa Manchester
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Groucho Marx
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Dave Mason
Matthews Southern Comfort
The Mavericks
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Van McCoy
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Barry McGuire
Maria McKee
Marian McPartland
Clyde McPhatter
Meat Loaf
John Mellencamp
Memphis Slim
Sergio Mendes
Ethel Merman
Pat Metheny
Roger Miller
The Mills Brothers
Liza Minnelli
Charles Mingus
Joni Mitchell
Wes Montgomery
The Moody Blues
The Moonglows
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Mos Def
Martin Mull
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Nazareth
Nelson
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The Neville Brothers
New Edition
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Night Ranger
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Nitty Gritty Dirt Band
No Doubt
The Oak Ridge Boys
Ric Ocasek
Phil Ochs
Oingo Boingo
The O'Jays
Spooner Oldham
Yoko Ono
Orleans
Jeffrey Osborne
The Outfield
Junior Parker
Ray Parker Jr.
Dolly Parton
Les Paul
Peaches & Herb
CeCe Peniston
The Persuasions
Bernadette Peters
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
Poco
The Pointer Sisters
Doc Pomus
Iggy Pop
Billy Preston
Lloyd Price
Louis Prima
Primus
Puddle of Mudd
The Pussycat Dolls
Quarterflash
Queen Latifah
Sun Ra
Gerry Rafferty
Della Reese
Martha Reeves
R.E.M.
Debbie Reynolds
Emitt Rhodes
Buddy Rich
Riders in the Sky
Stan Ridgway
Max Roach
The Roches
Chris Rock
Tommy Roe
Sonny Rollins
The Roots
Rose Royce
Rotary Connection
Rufus
Otis Rush
Brenda Russell
Leon Russell
Pee Wee Russell
Mitch Ryder
Buffy Sainte-Marie
Pharoah Sanders
Neil Sedaka
Semisonic
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Tupac Shakur
Dinah Shore
Silver Apples
Shel Silverstein
Ashlee Simpson
The Simpsons
P.F. Sloan
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Snoop Dogg
Jill Sobule
Soft Machine
Sonic Youth
Sonny & Cher
Soundgarden
Southern Culture on the Skids
Spinal Tap
Squeeze
Jo Stafford
Chris Stamey
Stealers Wheel
Steely Dan
Gwen Stefani
Steppenwolf
Cat Stevens
Sting
George Strait
Strawberry Alarm Clock
Strawbs
Steve and Eydie
Styx
Sublime
Supertramp
The Surfaris
The Tams
t.A.T.u.
Temple of the Dog
Tesla
Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Robin Thicke
B.J. Thomas
Irma Thomas
Rufus Thomas
Big Mama Thornton
Three Dog Night
The Three Stooges
Tiffany
Mel Tormé
The Tragically Hip
The Tubes
Tanya Tucker
Ike Turner
Conway Twitty
McCoy Tyner
Billy Vaughan
Suzanne Vega
Veruca Salt
Bobby Vinton
Voivod
Rufus Wainwright
Rick Wakeman
The Wallflowers
Joe Walsh
Wang Chung
Clara Ward
Was (Not Was)
War
Muddy Waters
Jody Watley
Johnny "Guitar" Watson
Weezer
We Five
Lawrence Welk
Mae West
Barry White
Whitesnake
White Zombie
The Who
Kim Wilde
John Williams
Paul Williams
Roger Williams
Sonny Boy Williamson
Walter Winchell
Johnny Winter
Wishbone Ash
Bobby Womack
Lee Ann Womack
Wrecks-N-Effect
Faron Young
Neil Young
Y&T
Rob Zombie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Universal_fire

much of that stuff is backed up electronically but many of those recordings are gone forever.

We all know she can't OWN copyrighted material but damn...

We KNOW she has stuff that has been lost

And the owners would KILL for access to it.

It HAS to be WORTH something right?
 
But that is my question

What is this collection WORTH?
that's an extremely subjective question...depends on who is willing to put a value on it...those tapes could easily end up in a landfill or be donated to some archive for free or it could be deemed extremely valuable for the material on it:dunno::dunno:. The value of something is determined by people with leverage and they set the price....for example, oil and diamonds.

I dunno if there is or should be a dollar value attach to that collection but there is certainly a sentimental and information value to that collection
 
that's an extremely subjective question...depends on who is willing to put a value on it...those tapes could easily end up in a landfill or be donated to some archive for free or it could be deemed extremely valuable for the material on it:dunno::dunno:. The value of something is determined by people with leverage and they set the price....for example, oil and diamonds.

I dunno if there is or should be a dollar value attach to that collection but there is certainly a sentimental and information value to that collection

^^^^

I just thought this would ba a VERY interesting legal question

in this age where copyright and ownership is such a BIG issue.

for example if she has the ONLY copies of those LOST TAPES?

Good LAWD... your point is made that corporation would do anything for it..

even though

TECHNICALLY they ALREADY own it.

I really hope her estate could make a large amount.

But to have it archived is dope too. and a no brainer

But then would the corporation be able to have ACCESS to it FREELY ?
 
^^^^

I just thought this would ba a VERY interesting legal question

in this age where copyright and ownership is such a BIG issue.

for example if she has the ONLY copies of those LOST TAPES?

Good LAWD... your point is made that corporation would do anything for it..

even though

TECHNICALLY they ALREADY own it.

I really hope her estate could make a large amount.

But to have it archived is dope too. and a no brainer

But then would the corporation be able to have ACCESS to it FREELY ?
yourtalking about stuff thats gets REALLY complex....for example...she taped stuffoff tv sooo any major league sporting events...like MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL games, playoffs and championships are expressly their property. MOWs (tv movies of the week) films broadcast on tv are properties of the networks and studios. and so on.

Frankly, I don't think no one will make a big stink out of it since she didn't profit from any of it and clearly had no intention to...IMO it would be a mistake for whoever runs her estate to try to profit from because that's just a minefield of legal bullshit to deal with.
 
yourtalking about stuff thats gets REALLY complex....for example...she taped stuffoff tv sooo any major league sporting events...like MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL games, playoffs and championships are expressly their property. MOWs (tv movies of the week) films broadcast on tv are properties of the networks and studios. and so on.

Frankly, I don't think no one will make a big stink out of it since she didn't profit from any of it and clearly had no intention to...IMO it would be a mistake for whoever runs her estate to try to profit from because that's just a minefield of legal bullshit to deal with.

100%

but it gets REAL tricky..

If the sports league or network has NO COPIES and she DOES

and its on VHS (which i think there was a whole legal thing about ownership when the VCR was created and sold)

they can't just TAKE IT

and they can ONLY STOP HER from profiting from it

But they then LOSE OUT on it and making money from it themselves.

Damn..

Some legal professor is gonna have fun debating that in class.
 
I came across an old VHS recording of a star Star Trek marathon in 2005. About half of the commercials were for mortgage lenders. who would have thought that something is so innocent it could be a harbinger of the economic apocalypse?

I can only imagine what the commercials on Ms Stoke's tapes reveal.
 






This Philadelphia woman recorded three decades of television on 70,000 VHS tapes
by Gary Thompson, Updated: June 21, 2019

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Eileen Emond
She mistrusted media but recorded it obsessively for 30 years, created a close-knit surrogate family but led another to become estranged, and was a card-carrying communist who bought Apple stock at $7 and made a fortune.

How to explain the many contradictions of Marion Stokes, the Philadelphia woman who died in 2012 in a luxury apartment, surrounded by three decades of taped television and 40,000 books?

An excellent start is the documentary Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project, an engrossing look at her unusual life — an African American woman of humble Philly origins who ended up wealthy, reclusive, and living above Rittenhouse Square at a tony address, where she started recording TV round-the-clock in 1979 and didn’t stop until she died in 2012. According to a 2013 Inquirer story, she had filled roughly 70,000 videocassettes with about a million hours of programming.

On Friday, June 28, director Matt Wolf will host a screening of the film at the Lightbox Film Center. In attendance (and part of a post-screening discussion) will be some of the friends, family and associates featured in the documentary, which examines currents in Stokes’ life that converged in her desire to compile an unprecedented (and unmatched) stockpile of television content. Her recordings are in the hands of the Internet Archive in California, which is digitizing them to create a searchable database of incredible reach — incredible because the affiliates and networks often do not keep the tapes, so it is an invaluable, one-of-a-kind resource.>>



>> READ MORE: Marion Stokes’ obituary

A few years ago, Wolf read about the acquisition, and decided to poke around. As a documentary filmmaker who digs through archives for a living, he had a natural interest in Marion’s habits and her DIY video library, but what he found was something richer.

“What I knew was what I’d read, that there was a woman who’d recorded just about anything and everything for period of years,” said Wolf, who came to Philadelphia to see firsthand what she’d compiled in residence at the Barclay. He found more than a mountain of tapes. She also collected books, papers, magazines, and computers. “We certainly were not expecting to walk into a luxury apartment and find a large stockpile of Apple computers in their original boxes,”

Stokes was a former librarian who lost her job due to her political affiliations; she collected and organized everything. She also “collected” a surrogate family: a driver, a nurse, and a personal assistant. New Yorker Wolf met the latter while in Philadelphia.



“We went across the street to Parc, the restaurant where Marion would have a martini every day, and he started to cry, and I realized I had also come upon this intense family story, and this was not just a story about an archive, but a chance to use the archive to tell a story of the complicated person Marion was,” he said.

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Courtesy of Recorder
Poster for Record: The Marion Stokes Project
Recorder contains surprising details of Marion’s extraordinary personal history, and many of those are best left for the documentary to reveal. (Can’t see it on Friday? It will receive a wider release in the future.)

It is less focused on her second husband, John S. Stokes Jr., heir to a Philadelphia manufacturing fortune and a key figure in her life and in the accumulation of the television archive. (The documentary was already too dense, Wolf said.)


Stokes’ father was industrialist John Stogdell Stokes, who made his fortune in the machinery business. Stokes Sr. became a philanthropist and social fixture who served more than a decade as a president of the Philadelphia Museum of Art — there is a portrait in the museum, painted by Diego Rivera, of his wife.

Stokes Jr. was born and raised a Quaker, was a conscientious objector during WWII, later converted to Catholicism, and became instrumental in re-popularizing Mary’s Gardens, formed of devotional flowers related to the Virgin Mary (he had a start-your-own Mary’s Garden seed business).

Stokes Jr. studied engineering at Lehigh, but did not take it up as a trade. He used his wealth to establish the Wellsprings Ecumenical Center in Germantown, devoted to interracial and interfaith progress, and produced a local TV show called Input for the CBS affiliate. One of the regular guests on the show was Marion, then Marion Metelits, an activist with a keen mind and ferocious advocate for the disenfranchised (on display in Recorder, which contains clips of the program).

They fell in love, were married after Stokes divorced his first wife, and remained so until his death in 2007. They had a shared interest in media — how news was collected and presented — but it was Marion who was the driving force in the recording and collection of the TV shows. Also the thousands books, papers, magazines, and hardware.



Was she a hoarder? A collector?

Recorder doesn’t draw an easy line. Marion had compulsions, but also insights, and well-reasoned motivations for her project, some of them expressed in the film (and in some of the old clips from the Input TV show).

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Courtesy of End Cue & Electric Chinoland
Marion Stokes' tapes from the documentary "Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project."
“Going into the film I was very committed to not resorting to a pat psychological explanation as a means of understanding someone who lived an unconventional life, and who aren’t around to speak for themselves. I think that’s unfair,” Wolf said.

Stokes began recording with the Iran hostage crisis in 1979, compiling a record of what she regarded as the questionable way mainstream media filtered news and presented facts. This grew from her lifelong attention to social justice, which led her to be recruited by the Communist Party, where she met her first husband, with whom she had her son Michael. Her political activism led to significant FBI surveillance and Marion’s understandable lifelong obsession with issues of power, privacy and media depictions of marginalized groups.



At the same time, her obsessions came at a great cost to personal relationships, and although some were repaired, others were not. She and husband John became insulated from others, and Stokes’ relationship with his family suffered.

The couple became increasingly reclusive, their several properties, including additional apartments in the Barclay, a place in New Hope, piled high with tapes. And Apple computers, though Wolf reports that Marion, despite her abiding interest in media and information, never used the internet. Never trusted it — she liked to record, not to be recorded. (Her Inquirer obituary mentions her love of Macintosh computers, but reports nothing on the tapes. Although her son, Michael Metelits, reported that she “enjoyed watching cable news shows and collecting dollhouses.”)

“She thought it would be used as a way to conduct surveillance on people, and she was right about that too,” Wolf said.

Recorder shows Marion as a person who could be exasperating and shrewd in equal measure. Not all of her habits were worth emulating, but she read 12 newspapers and drank one martini every day, and if more Americans followed that regimen, we’d unquestionably be a better nation.

Recorder: The Marion Stokes Project, 7 p.m. Friday, June 28, Lightbox Film Center, 3701 Chestnut St., $10, 215-895-6590, lightboxfilmcenter.org






Posted: June 21, 2019 - 5:00 AM
Gary Thompson | gthompson@inquirer.com

"Marion Stokes This Philadelphia woman recorded three decades of television on 70,000 VHS tapes"

Who the fuck cares? The quality of the recordings will/have degraded over time just cause they're VHS tapes . ….... i used to record tons of shit ,,,,, videos for songs .... would look at them like five years later and would be like wtf? ..... and I had what would then be called expensive recorders and tapes …. total waste of time for me …. and her


sidebar: If that pic is her, by the looks of that grill …. I can see why she had the time to do all that recording … whew …. :puke:

YouTube bout to make a fortune off her work
I don't think so black … :smh:



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"Marion Stokes This Philadelphia woman recorded three decades of television on 70,000 VHS tapes"

Who the fuck cares? The quality of the recordings will/have degraded over time just cause they're VHS tapes . ….... i used to record tons of shit ,,,,, videos for songs .... would look at them like five years later and would be like wtf? ..... and I had what would then be called expensive recorders and tapes …. total waste of time for me …. and her


sidebar: If that pic is her, by the looks of that grill …. I can see why she had the time to do all that recording … whew …. :puke:


I don't think so black … :smh:



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I don't think she recorded vhs i think she recorded beta and thats much better quality.
 
Title said VHS Dan … :dunno:



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from wiki

Stokes and her husband would run around the house to switch them out—even cutting short meals at restaurants to make it home to switch out tapes in time. Later in life when she was not as agile, Stokes trained a helper to do the task for her.[4] The archives ultimately grew to live on 71,716 (originally erroneously reported as 140,000 in the media)[5] VHS and Betamax tapes stacked in Stokes' home, as well as apartments she rented just to store them.

I'm betting the beta tapes are in better condition.



On Tuesday, Stokes' cassette tapes will arrive at the Internet Archive, a nonprofit organization in California, after a cross-country journey in four large shipping containers. The organization will digitize all 140,000 tapes into a public, searchable online archive. The $2 million project will take about 20 digitizing machines, volunteers working around the clock, funding and several years to complete, Metelits said.

looks like media students needing internships will be standing in line for this gig...lol
 
from wiki

Stokes and her husband would run around the house to switch them out—even cutting short meals at restaurants to make it home to switch out tapes in time. Later in life when she was not as agile, Stokes trained a helper to do the task for her.[4] The archives ultimately grew to live on 71,716 (originally erroneously reported as 140,000 in the media)[5] VHS and Betamax tapes stacked in Stokes' home, as well as apartments she rented just to store them.

I'm betting the beta tapes are in better condition.



On Tuesday, Stokes' cassette tapes will arrive at the Internet Archive, a nonprofit organization in California, after a cross-country journey in four large shipping containers. The organization will digitize all 140,000 tapes into a public, searchable online archive. The $2 million project will take about 20 digitizing machines, volunteers working around the clock, funding and several years to complete, Metelits said.

looks like media students needing internships will be standing in line for this gig...lol
my son is into video editing and ect..ect..ect he would fucking love to do this...
 
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