There are no black people on Game of Thrones’: why is fantasy TV so white?

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Single white female... Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen in Game of Thrones. Photograph: HBO


This month, the biggest TV show in the world returns for one final dragon-slaying, wall-toppling, throne-nabbing season. In the time since it last aired, memes have been shared, elaborate theories have been devised and revised, bets have been laid (Lyanna Mormont FTW) and cos-play outfits have been lovingly stitched. Yet there is one aspect that is yet to receive adequate attention: Game of Thrones – great show, but is it racist?

This much should have been obvious from way back when the very first episode aired in 2011. It was clear then that showrunners David Benioff and DB Weiss envisioned their world as a white one. The majority of the action took place in Westeros, George RR Martin’s skewed spin on medieval Britain and the west, where the fair-haired, fair-skinned Lannisters engaged in a generations-long power struggle with the darker-haired, fair-skinned Starks. People of colour were not absent from the show but they were relegated to its cartographical margins. In the east, or Essos, the Dothraki people were depicted as a nomadic tribe of violent, rape-happy savages. That is until Westerosi princess Daenerys arrived, like Stacey Dooley on a Comic Relief jolly, and civilised them all.


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Now you see me... Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei and Jacob Anderson as Grey Worm. Photograph: HBO

By season five, Daenerys has bagged herself a black friend (ex-slave Missandei, played by former Hollyoaks actor Nathalie Emmanuel) and has taken her conquering/liberating mission to Slaver’s Bay where she is hailed as “mhysa” (mother) by the freed slaves. We have also been introduced to the Dornish, another dusky ethnic group from a distant land who are defined by hyper-sexualised and aggressive behaviour; you needn’t be a dedicated student of Edward Said to decipher the creeping orientalism in these plot lines. As Dr David Wearing, an international relations expert and Game of Thrones fan says, “One episode [season three’s Mhysa] ends with the blond, white Daenerys being borne aloft in gratitude by a sea of faceless people of colour, at which point we’re scarcely in the realms of interpreting subtext.”

In 2017, all this became an official talking point when GoT’s co-creators, Benioff and Weiss, announced that their next project would be Confederate, an alternative history drama, in which the south won the American civil war and slavery never ended. The announcement was met with near-instantaneous social-media anger from activists including #OscarsSoWhitecreator April Reign, Ta-Nehisi Coates and Roxane Gay, who described it as “slavery fan fiction”. The project has since been delayed indefinitely.


The backlash might not have been so severe, however, if Game of Thrones wasn’t already perceived to have a problem with diversity. A few weeks earlier, Star Wars actor John Boyega, a man with some personal experience of fandom-specific racism, brought the issue up in a GQ interview. “There are no black people on Game of Thrones,” he said. “I ain’t paying money to always see one type of person on-screen …Because you see different people from different backgrounds, different cultures, every day. Even if you’re a racist, you have to live with that.”

In fairness, GoT does feature two or three black actors with speaking parts, but the public rebuttals of Boyega’s point went way beyond a simple fact-check. One Forbes piece argued that while diversity is important, calling out a franchise “based entirely on British history and mythology is completely counter-productive” and, ultimately, “to the detriment of the story”. Reaction below the line and on fan threads was mostly variations on a similar theme of historical accuracy and the challenge that black actors present to the audience’s ability to suspend disbelief. Because, presumably, ice zombies and dragons are perfectly plausible, but fully rounded non-white characters would be a stretch too far?


Although fans with a shaky understanding of medieval Europe have often claimed otherwise, Game of Thrones is fantasy, not history. The shape of its world is limited only by the imaginations of its creators and – perhaps more so – its viewers. That is not to say it doesn’t draw on past traditions. “Tolkienand CS Lewis were two of the largest influencers of modern English-language fantasy,” says Ebony Elizabeth Thomas, associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania and author of The Dark Fantastic: Race and the Imagination from Harry Potter to the Hunger Games. “Both [Tolkien and Lewis] were born when the British empire was at its height, and the cartographies of their imagination were influenced accordingly. Racism in storytelling was baked into the world they came of age in; speculative fiction is almost always commenting on the contemporary concerns of a society.”

Since our society’s contemporary concerns include diversity and representation, it makes sense that Game of Thrones would be gradually moving in that direction. The cast list for HBO’s upcoming prequel includes three black British actors (Naomi Ackie, Sheila Atim, Ivanno Jeremiah) and some cite Daenerys’s season six soul-searching as evidence of the GoT writers’ engagement with a wider debate. Wearing, though, is unconvinced: “Often it amounts to little more than ‘crying while shooting’, where the critiques are fairly superficial and leave many deeper assumptions untouched.”

What if we do want to get at those deeper assumptions? Is it even possible? Thomas sees “the project of emancipating the dark fantastic” as her favourite genre’s greatest challenge. “Fantasy is created from the depths of a creative’s imagination … It is a very vulnerable thing to do and, thus, fantasy writers are protective of their creations. That’s understandable. But the act of ‘mythopoesis’ – making your own myths – is one that requires much thought. And still you may not see everything.” There’s a reason why some of George RR Martin’s fantasy successors (Keira Drake, Laurie Forest, Kosoko Jackson) have recently been subject to Confederate-esque online backlash from early readers regarding “racist” tropes in their work. “We can have the best of intentions, but unless we’re thinking deeply about the fantasy worlds that we build, we will re-inscribe the cartographies of the known world into our stories,” says Thomas.

Maybe we wouldn’t want to completely detach GoT from our messy, postcolonial reality, even if it were possible. “The beautiful part about the show is that it is reflective of the real world,” says Michael Harriot, columnist for Afrocentric online magazine the Root and co-host of YouTube fan show Dem Thrones. “Daenerys is basically the embodiment of white privilege. She is inches away from becoming the powerful woman in the world simply because someone gave her some dragons at birth. As a black person, if this upset me, then I would also be upset with every historically accurate show about politics, war, society and culture.” Harriot’s Thrones love has extended as far as outlining his alternative reading of the show as an all-encompassing analogy for white America circa the 2016 election: Daenerys is Hillary Clinton, the Lannisters are the Trumps, dragons are white privilege and the blue-eyed devil White Walkers are the “alt-right”. It’s as persuasive as it is funny. “I’m not a fan of colonialism and imperialism, but I must admit that it is entertaining. In the same way that I’m not a fan of being stabbed but I still enjoy watching a movie with a good sword fight.”

And while Harriot acknowledges that more black and non-white cast members would be nice, he still feels represented in some ways. “I refer to the Starks as ‘our cousins’. [Jon Snow] wears the dopest cape or coats and is always willing to posse up. I feel like his theme song is [Atlanta crunk anthem] Knuck If You Buck and he will eventually open a barbershop on the west side of Westeros and live the rest of his life in peace. But most of all, I like him because, no matter what you threaten him with, he refuses to bend the knee.”


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Listen, there's a reason wypo think Gone With The Wind is one of the best movies ever made. In their hearts, they think Birth Of A Nation (the first one) is THE best movie ever made. They want their movies to reflect their white fantasy world where they are the supreme beings and other races are only there to serve them.

Then on a deeper level, there's the aspect of subliminal messages of whites being the superior race.
 
I don't mean to sound like an asshole or be insensitive. I hear what you saying, but dude, it's their fantasy. They can write whomever into the story they want, especially when they're financing it, writing it, directing it, producing it, distributing it. Don't expect whites to drum you up in their little minds and give you a part. Don't expect Chinese to do it, don't expect Indians or Russians. Theirs. When we get our shit together, well we can write their asses out too.
 
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There are black people on game if thrones. The big black dude that had a fortune and ships that the queen wanted
 
There are barely any Black people in the show because it's a CAC kike dominated industry that has no interest in truths. For example cac and kikes will not even so much as allude to who the original Europeans really are or that they were not white. I can't sit down in front of the idiot box and watch that show because real history is for more amazing and entertaining to me. The thought alone of making space in my brain for fake shit saddens me.

Birth of a nation came out and Negros barely supported it. Yet Black people went out in record numbers the see Black Panther. A fucking fictional character created by a white man. Pretty much telling me folks would rather watch and support sensational fiction than heart wrenching and mind provoking shows based on actual events.

smfh :smh: How do you free slaves when they don't know they are slaves?
 
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And in the parts of the world where there are “colored folk”, a lil white bitch easily conquers. Oh yeah, the bitch family name rhymes with aryan.


That's, why I don't understand her appeal...She's nothing without those dragons...
 
the parts of the ASOIAF world where that are native to black ppl aren't covered in the tv show and only in the books, even in the books they're not covered much since Westeros is the main continent thats covered which is equivalent to Europe
 
There are barely any Black people in the show because it's a CAC kike dominated industry that has no interest in truths. For example cac and kikes will not even so much as allude to who the original Europeans really are or that they were not white. I can't sit down in front of the idiot box and watch that show because real history is for more amazing and entertaining to me. The thought alone of making space in my brain for fake shit saddens me.

Birth of a nation came out and Negros barely supported it. Yet Black people went out in record numbers the see Black Panther. A fucking fictional character created by a white man. Pretty much telling me folks would rather watch and support sensational fiction than heart wrenching and mind provoking shows based on actual events.

smfh :smh: How do you free slaves when they don't know they are slaves?
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That's, why I don't understand her appeal...She's nothing without those dragons...

Several things: Her name does rhyme with aryan, no there are no black characters. To have a significant number of black characters, one of the families would have had to have been black and you know they ain't going to do that.

On Dany, though: The dragons are significant, but the fact that she got 3 separate legions of soldiers that just pledged to her is significant. The dragons just make her even more of a bad ass...and the fact that she can't be burned - which I would love to come up before the series is over.

Also, I wanted to fuck since that tub scene so....
 
They, they, they... I guess we are a race of a bunch of weak ass punks that we can't do our own shit.... You want something major that reflects you (us)? Stop bitching and go MAKE it happen yourself! Yes, redirect your money from bullshit consumer goods and start buying and owning your tangible, revenue generating, sustainable assets... And YES its fucking possible... I believe in diversity but damn I'm sick of this begging and blaming our lack of inclusion on someone who clearly does not implement their ideas and dreams with us in mind... When you bought your home did you buy or build it so that I could stay there? HELL NO! You did it for you and your family...Same rules apply... So you want a film? Get your resources together and MAKE a film! Of course there will be obstacles but what else is new? Just put in the work and make it happen... and quit begging all the fucking time...
 
I don't mean to sound like an asshole or be insensitive. I hear what you saying, but dude, it's their fantasy. They can write whomever into the story they want, especially when they're financing it, writing it, directing it, producing it, distributing it. Don't expect whites to drum you up in their little minds and give you a part. Don't expect Chinese to do it, don't expect Indians or Russians. Theirs. When we get our shit together, well we can write their asses out too.
People just looking to complain. It's like cacs bitching about not being in an African fantasy. Do the Chinese or Indians have to put other folks in their fantasies? No. But then again, you ain't going to hear them complaining about not being in European shit.

Folks can't have it both ways, because there would be all types of bitching and complaining if there were a Native American fantasy show and they just forced cacs into it just because. There's plenty of money flowing around for everyone to create their own fucking shit. Tyler Perry could do a black game of thrones if he wanted. Oprah could. Nollywood could. List goes on. Would we support it? Who knows.

If Game Of Thrones were a bust, people wouldn't complain. But when shit does well, everyone wants in. And I'll watch Indian fantasy, Chinese, African, and Europeans as long as it's good. And I can respect folks have their own lore and I might not be in it. It's very cac-like to want to force your way into other peoples shit. :smh:
 
Several things: Her name does rhyme with aryan, no there are no black characters. To have a significant number of black characters, one of the families would have had to have been black and you know they ain't going to do that.

On Dany, though: The dragons are significant, but the fact that she got 3 separate legions of soldiers that just pledged to her is significant. The dragons just make her even more of a bad ass...and the fact that she can't be burned - which I would love to come up before the series is over.

Also, I wanted to fuck since that tub scene so....


There's nothing bad ass about her.She's just your typical Mary Sue...


They, they, they... I guess we are a race of a bunch of weak ass punks that we can't do our own shit.... You want something major that reflects you (us)? Stop bitching and go MAKE it happen yourself! Yes, redirect your money from bullshit consumer goods and start buying and owning your tangible, revenue generating, sustainable assets... And YES its fucking possible... I believe in diversity but damn I'm sick of this begging and blaming our lack of inclusion on someone who clearly does not implement their ideas and dreams with us in mind... When you bought your home did you buy or build it so that I could stay there? HELL NO! You did it for you and your family...Same rules apply... So you want a film? Get your resources together and MAKE a film! Of course there will be obstacles but what else is new? Just put in the work and make it happen... and quit begging all the fucking time...


Of course,we should do it on our own but we also need to support it when it's good.....
 
Peace,

Hey maybe it's just me but swords and major is for crackers.

Nah it’s definitely not just you. I know cats who can’t get into fantasy or sci-fi. But if you can get past the fantasy aspect of GoT it’s a compelling drama, and the books that the series is based on are deeply enjoyable.
 
Peace,



Nah it’s definitely not just you. I know cats who can’t get into fantasy or sci-fi. But if you can get past the fantasy aspect of GoT it’s a compelling drama, and the books that the series is based on are deeply enjoyable.
I love sci-fi but that fantasy bullshit I could never get with.
 
I don't mean to sound like an asshole or be insensitive. I hear what you saying, but dude, it's their fantasy. They can write whomever into the story they want, especially when they're financing it, writing it, directing it, producing it, distributing it. Don't expect whites to drum you up in their little minds and give you a part. Don't expect Chinese to do it, don't expect Indians or Russians. Theirs. When we get our shit together, well we can write their asses out too.

Exactly.
Sometimes it's not about representation or diversity at all.
Sometimes it's just about recreating the original vision of the writer/creator as accurately as possible.

- I don't watch "Excalibur" looking for Black people in the movie.
- I don't watch "Dracula" looking to see minority representation.
- I don't watch "Frankenstein" looking for Asian/Hispanic inclusion.

I mean seriously, there are no Black people in this immensely profitable, popular movie trilogy either...
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... and yet Black people loved and supported them as well.

So, why should we look for "proper" racial representation at the hands of a White writer for GOT....?
As I understand it, the stories were never written with Black people in mind in the 1st place...

Jordan Peele just said that he won't ever cast a White man as the lead protagonist in his films. Is he wrong for that....? :dunno:
 
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Why would I get mad about a whole bunch of CACs killing CACs who will be killed by super white CACs? So I'm suppose want to see more diversity in the killing?
 
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