Movie Discussion: CAPTAIN MARVEL (Spoilers) UPDATE: Sequel MARVELS has New Black female director!
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I keep reading how nobody understands the hate.
The hate was caused by Brie herself. She's been shitting on male Marvel fans and spitting feminism in hella interviews, so a lot of guys assume that the movie will be chocked full of feminist propaganda.
A whole lot of Star Wars fans hated The Last Jedi because of Super-Rey, the infallible Mary Sue of the Star Wars universe and Brie seems to have taken a page out of Kathleen Kennedy's book by doubling down on the feminism and man-trolling.
It also looked like from the trailers that they shat on her origin story, so that alone gets the fanboys of the comics heated.
Wonder Woman had sprinkles of feminism messages in it but it was also a good story about a well-liked character. They didn't play the identity card, they just made a superhero movie and the hero happened to be female. There have been many great female-led movies (also directed by men) that have had well-written, well-liked female leads without pushing the misandrist agenda. Ripley, Sarah Connor, Samantha Caine/Charly Baltimore, and even Princess Leia never needed to man-hate to be seen as strong.
I wonder if they are going to pretend Ms. Marvel never existed or just make fun of her like the X-men did their yellow and blue costumes?
It also looks like she's going to be drastically overpowered and that too, is a turn off. Nobody likes a Mary Sue. Having an Infinity War story without Adam Warlock is blasphemy enough as it is.
The hate was caused by Brie herself. She's been shitting on male Marvel fans and spitting feminism in hella interviews, so a lot of guys assume that the movie will be chocked full of feminist propaganda.
A whole lot of Star Wars fans hated The Last Jedi because of Super-Rey, the infallible Mary Sue of the Star Wars universe and Brie seems to have taken a page out of Kathleen Kennedy's book by doubling down on the feminism and man-trolling.
It also looked like from the trailers that they shat on her origin story, so that alone gets the fanboys of the comics heated.
Wonder Woman had sprinkles of feminism messages in it but it was also a good story about a well-liked character. They didn't play the identity card, they just made a superhero movie and the hero happened to be female. There have been many great female-led movies (also directed by men) that have had well-written, well-liked female leads without pushing the misandrist agenda. Ripley, Sarah Connor, Samantha Caine/Charly Baltimore, and even Princess Leia never needed to man-hate to be seen as strong.
I wonder if they are going to pretend Ms. Marvel never existed or just make fun of her like the X-men did their yellow and blue costumes?
It also looks like she's going to be drastically overpowered and that too, is a turn off. Nobody likes a Mary Sue. Having an Infinity War story without Adam Warlock is blasphemy enough as it is.
Bruh....you've got BLUE MARVEL as your sig!
Comic fans, like any other fans, like to see the characters and stories they enjoyed reading stay intact.
Nobody likes to see characters changed to suit a very non-comic book agenda.
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A Black Widow movie would do well because she doesn't walk in and tell the other Avengers to "stand down, let a woman handle this" or some shit like that.
She kicks ass and does spy shit. Easy movie to make. I hope they give it to her.
Nah. You're missing a very important part. They're going out of their way to sabatoge the ratings for Captain Marvel. There's a bunch of videos of them saying it's a SJW movie. That's way past just being into something you like. You got a very vocal group of people out there that hate it if any comic book movie isn't centered around a white guy.
Yeah, there are those guys out there. They make a lot of youtube videos.
Brie herself has been fueling the fire on this one, though.
Again, Wonder Woman as an example: You didn't see Gal spouting a bunch of feminist propaganda. You didn't see the director in one of those "The Future Is Female" shirts. Patty just directed her movie and kept pushing.
If you haven't noticed the controversy around this movie, you haven't been looking.
Comic book fans are still the strong base of ticket sales and even moreso, MERCH SALES. You can't shit on half your foundation and expect them to spend money on your product.
They probably are sabotaging the scores but it ain't because she's a female lead. She isn't the first female superhero.
The movie is gonna do numbers regardless because its leading up to Infinity War 2. People are still gonna go.
I understand what youre sayin, but there wasn't this much outrage from that community when Avatar was completely whitewashed in the theaters..Captain Marvel is a woman in the comics and and she's a woman here...Aang was asian and they made him a white boy in the live action movie...
I honesty haven't seen any of these vids you referring too.
Not saying you lying but post if you can
I am VERY curious to hear what exactly she was saying to get these dudes so riled up.
Brie Larson’s ‘Captain Marvel’ Earns Record Low Rotten Tomatoes Rating
by CESAR GALVAN on FEBRUARY 24, 2019
The Brie Larson-starring film Captain Marvel has earned a shockingly low audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes.
Kevin Feige Explains James Gunn’s Role In MCU Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion’
With two weeks left until the film’s theatrical release, Captain Marvel has plummeted down to the lowest ranked Marvel Cinematic Universe film on Rotten Tomatoes, sitting at a 45% audience rating. The previous film in its place was 2008’s The Incredible Hulkwhich has a 70% audience rating.
Even though the internet trolls have made sure to give the upcoming Brie Larson led superhero flick their negative share, it’s not going to deter Marvel fans from going to see the long awaited Captain Marvel solo film.
Also read:Avengers: Endgame Toy May Reveal New Weapon For Robert Downey Jr’s Iron Man
Disney and Marvel Studios are no strangers to “haters” and internet trolls because they have dealt with this sort of opposition before. 2018’s Black Panter also saw its fair share of negativity and it made over $1 billion at the worldwide box office, becoming one of the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s most successful films.
Captain Marvel‘s lead Brie Larson understands that this film is not only another female led superhero film, but it’s also a symbol of progression for women everywhere. It’s her position on diversity that has drawn heat for the film, but it’s not going to stop her anytime soon.
Also read:‘Avengers: Endgame’ Theory Reveals Katherine Langford’s Cosmic Role
As a matter of fact it’s one of Bire Larson’s recently announced goals is to lead an all female Avengers team in the MCU’s future. Fans will just have to wait and see what the internet trolls have to say about that when we get there.
What are your thoughts on the early audience ratings on Rotten Tomatoes giving Captain Marvel such a record low score? What do you think can be done by Rotten Tomatoes to prevent this in the future? Let us know your thoughts in the comment section below!
Here is a plot synopsis for Captain Marvel:
Set in the 1990s, Marvel Studios’ “Captain Marvel” is an all-new adventure from a previously unseen period in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that follows the journey of Carol Danvers as she becomes one of the universe’s most powerful heroes. While a galactic war between two alien races reaches Earth, Danvers finds herself and a small cadre of allies at the center of the maelstrom.
Directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, Captain Marvel stars Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn, Djimon Hounsou, Lee Pace, Lashana Lynch, Gemma Chan, Algenis Perez Soto, Rune Temte, McKenna Grace, Clark Gregg, and Jude Law.
Captain Marvel will be released in theaters on March 8, 2019.
by CESAR GALVAN on FEBRUARY 24, 2019
Kevin Feige Explains James Gunn’s Role In MCU Was ‘Blown Out Of Proportion’
With two weeks left until the film’s theatrical release, Captain Marvel has plummeted down to the lowest ranked Marvel Cinematic Universe film on Rotten Tomatoes, sitting at a 45% audience rating. The previous film in its place was 2008’s The Incredible Hulkwhich has a 70% audience rating.
Even though the internet trolls have made sure to give the upcoming Brie Larson led superhero flick their negative share, it’s not going to deter Marvel fans from going to see the long awaited Captain Marvel solo film.
Also read:Avengers: Endgame Toy May Reveal New Weapon For Robert Downey Jr’s Iron Man
Disney and Marvel Studios are no strangers to “haters” and internet trolls because they have dealt with this sort of opposition before. 2018’s Black Panter also saw its fair share of negativity and it made over $1 billion at the worldwide box office, becoming one of the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s most successful films.
Captain Marvel‘s lead Brie Larson understands that this film is not only another female led superhero film, but it’s also a symbol of progression for women everywhere. It’s her position on diversity that has drawn heat for the film, but it’s not going to stop her anytime soon.
Also read:‘Avengers: Endgame’ Theory Reveals Katherine Langford’s Cosmic Role
As a matter of fact it’s one of Bire Larson’s recently announced goals is to lead an all female Avengers team in the MCU’s future. Fans will just have to wait and see what the internet trolls have to say about that when we get there.
What are your thoughts on the early audience ratings on Rotten Tomatoes giving Captain Marvel such a record low score? What do you think can be done by Rotten Tomatoes to prevent this in the future? Let us know your thoughts in the comment section below!
Here is a plot synopsis for Captain Marvel:
Set in the 1990s, Marvel Studios’ “Captain Marvel” is an all-new adventure from a previously unseen period in the history of the Marvel Cinematic Universe that follows the journey of Carol Danvers as she becomes one of the universe’s most powerful heroes. While a galactic war between two alien races reaches Earth, Danvers finds herself and a small cadre of allies at the center of the maelstrom.
Directed by Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck, Captain Marvel stars Brie Larson, Samuel L. Jackson, Ben Mendelsohn, Djimon Hounsou, Lee Pace, Lashana Lynch, Gemma Chan, Algenis Perez Soto, Rune Temte, McKenna Grace, Clark Gregg, and Jude Law.
Captain Marvel will be released in theaters on March 8, 2019.
but she actually NEVER said this....
Brie Larson Clarifies Her Inclusivity Comments in Captain Marvel
Brie Larson clarifies her earlier comments about wanting more diversity in Captain Marvel press junkets. Playing Carol Danvers in the Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck-directed movie, the actress will be the future of the MCU as franchise's founding heroes like Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are expected to bid goodbye after Avengers: Endgame.
With just a little bit over two weeks before Captain Marvel hits theatres all over the globe, the multi-city press tour for the flick is already in high gear. The film was screened in full for the first time early this week and initial reactions from critics have been generally positive. That being said, there's a minor controversy clouding the project after Larson shared that she "started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male." After that, she "decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive" to give the same opportunities to everyone. This comment didn't sit well with some people, especially when it's been misinterpreted and taken out of context. Now, Larson is addressing the issue to hopefully settle it once and for all.
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Related: Captain Marvel: Why Carol Danvers Doesn't Fit In With The Kree Starforce
Sitting down with FOX DC as part of doing the press rounds for Captain Marvel, Larson was asked about how her aforementioned statement about wanting to see a more diverse group of journalists doing junkets being taken out of context. While the actress didn't seem like she was in-the-know the her comment has been misconstrued online, she acknowledged it and reiterated that she's not trying to alienate any group, all she wants is for everyone to have the opportunity. "What I’m looking for is to bring more seats up to the table. No one is getting their chair taken away. There’s not less seats at the table, there’s just more seats at the table,” she said.
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Since Larson made the statement during the early stages of Captain Marvelpromotion, some have come out and expressed their displeasure with regard her quote. Some of them who fit the white male demographic felt that Larson is specifically targeting them in her comments as if they film's not for them. Her comment was even the focal point of most bomb reviews for the project on Rotten Tomatoes. That said, although the movie is admittedly geared towards the female populous considering that Captain Marvel is the first female headlining hero in the franchise, that doesn't mean that no one else can find something to love in the movie.
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Larson's previous comments shouldn't have been controversial in the first place. She was straight to the point regarding wanting more diversity in the press members partaking in Captain Marvel's and other films' junkets which isn't a bad thing at all. However, while the clarification wasn't necessary, giving out one in the said interview allowed her to expound on her original opinion, which will hopefully eliminate the misunderstanding that rooted from her initial statement. Based on social media reactions from the early screenings for the movie that boost early ticket sales, it's safe to assume that it'll do just fine at the box office. But it also doesn't hurt that the actress addressed the commotion once and for all.
- BY ANA DUMARAOG
- – ON FEB 22, 2019
- IN MOVIE NEWS
Brie Larson clarifies her earlier comments about wanting more diversity in Captain Marvel press junkets. Playing Carol Danvers in the Anna Boden and Ryan Fleck-directed movie, the actress will be the future of the MCU as franchise's founding heroes like Iron Man, Thor and Captain America are expected to bid goodbye after Avengers: Endgame.
With just a little bit over two weeks before Captain Marvel hits theatres all over the globe, the multi-city press tour for the flick is already in high gear. The film was screened in full for the first time early this week and initial reactions from critics have been generally positive. That being said, there's a minor controversy clouding the project after Larson shared that she "started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male." After that, she "decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive" to give the same opportunities to everyone. This comment didn't sit well with some people, especially when it's been misinterpreted and taken out of context. Now, Larson is addressing the issue to hopefully settle it once and for all.
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Related: Captain Marvel: Why Carol Danvers Doesn't Fit In With The Kree Starforce
Sitting down with FOX DC as part of doing the press rounds for Captain Marvel, Larson was asked about how her aforementioned statement about wanting to see a more diverse group of journalists doing junkets being taken out of context. While the actress didn't seem like she was in-the-know the her comment has been misconstrued online, she acknowledged it and reiterated that she's not trying to alienate any group, all she wants is for everyone to have the opportunity. "What I’m looking for is to bring more seats up to the table. No one is getting their chair taken away. There’s not less seats at the table, there’s just more seats at the table,” she said.
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Since Larson made the statement during the early stages of Captain Marvelpromotion, some have come out and expressed their displeasure with regard her quote. Some of them who fit the white male demographic felt that Larson is specifically targeting them in her comments as if they film's not for them. Her comment was even the focal point of most bomb reviews for the project on Rotten Tomatoes. That said, although the movie is admittedly geared towards the female populous considering that Captain Marvel is the first female headlining hero in the franchise, that doesn't mean that no one else can find something to love in the movie.
ADVERTISING
Larson's previous comments shouldn't have been controversial in the first place. She was straight to the point regarding wanting more diversity in the press members partaking in Captain Marvel's and other films' junkets which isn't a bad thing at all. However, while the clarification wasn't necessary, giving out one in the said interview allowed her to expound on her original opinion, which will hopefully eliminate the misunderstanding that rooted from her initial statement. Based on social media reactions from the early screenings for the movie that boost early ticket sales, it's safe to assume that it'll do just fine at the box office. But it also doesn't hurt that the actress addressed the commotion once and for all.
Captain Marvel Is Becoming The MCU’s Most Controversial Movie (But It Really Shouldn’t)
Captain Marvel seems to be becoming the MCU's most divisive movie - and for no real reason at all. After 11 years, Marvel Studios is finally producing a solo film starring a female superhero. It's essentially a prequel for the entire MCU, set in the 1990s and featuring Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg as a de-aged Nick Fury and Phil Coulson. What's more, this is a crucial step on the journey to the hugely-anticipated Avengers: Endgame, with Captain Marvel expected to play a major part in the battle against Thanos.
Unfortunately, in Marvel fan communities Captain Marvel is becoming incredibly controversial. In some places online it's impossible to even mention the film without the discussion becoming a litany of complaints, as people fume over everything from radical feminism to rampant misandry. Some complain about Marvel's introducing too powerful a hero so late in the day, as though the power-levels of heroes in the MCU haven't gradually been increasing over time in the first place. Naturally, this is only a small but vocal minority of fans, but it's starting to spoil discussion in the various fan communities.
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Related: Captain Marvel Has More Guardians of the Galaxy Connections Than You Realized
Some are fearing there'll be a repeat of the Ghostbusters effect, with bad PR leading to poor box office performance; or perhaps a backlash like the one that left Star Wars fans bitterly divided after Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But not only are those fears overstated, in this case the trolls are worked up over nothing.
BRIE LARSON HAS BECOME ODDLY DIVISIVE
There have been a whole litany of complains about Brie Larson: she doesn't smile enough in the trailers, she doesn't have the exaggerated superhero physique, she doesn't know enough about the character. Many of these issues are bizarre, and frankly a little sexist, hinting that Captain Marvel should exist primarily as eye-candy. As Larson herself pointed out through an amusing Photoshopped image, male superheroes are traditionally portrayed as stoic, so why should female heroes have to grin at the camera all the time? The more recent TV spots have revealed that the film is as rich in humor as any other Marvel movie, and first reactions have praised the "buddy cop" banter between Larson's Captain Marvel and Jackson's Nick Fury. So it seems this particular reaction was very much premature.
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Compounding this is the fact that Brie Larson herself is a feminist. Some fans claim to object to the idea that Marvel has hired a politically vocal actor, but that argument is flawed; Josh Brolin has recorded Donald Trump tweets in a Thanos voice, Chris Evans has been so outspoken that he told Esquire he'd been advised it could damage his career, and Mark Ruffalo is a noted political campaigner on environmental issues. These actors all seem to get a free pass, which suggests that the real issue is either the complainants either don't like a woman being political, or that they object specifically to feminism. Of course, there's a real irony in objecting to a feminist actress playing Carol Danvers; in the comics Danvers is a prominent feminist herself, and her original superhero identity - "Ms. Marvel" - was intended as a deliberate political statement. Captain Marvel is largely inspired by Kelly Sue DeConnick's popular comic book run, which was notably feminist. So Marvel has essentially cast according to type.
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Some fans have gone to ridiculous lengths to accuse Brie Larson of misandry, twisting words completely out of context. For example, in an interview with Marie Claire she made a point about wanting her press days to be more inclusive. Here's what Larson said:
"About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of colour, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
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Related: How The MCU Will Look Completely Different After 2019
This is hardly misandry; Larson's problem isn't that she doesn't want to see white men in the audience, it's that she wants to see women as well as men, and people of every racial background. "What I’m looking for is to bring more seats up to the table," she was forced to clarify. "No one is getting their chair taken away. There’s not less seats at the table, there’s just more seats at the table." And this is far from the only example of Larson's words being taken out of context in order to attack her; when she recorded a jokey video pretending not to know who Captain Marvel was, countless YouTubers pretended she was serious.
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HOW FANS ARE TRYING TO HURT CAPTAIN MARVEL
Some fans are going beyond critical comments though, and are actively trying to hurt Captain Marvel's box office performance. So far, there are really two lines of attack. The first was deliberately misreading box office projections, suggesting the film is expected to underperform and even bomb at the box office. It's a flawed argument, since early estimates show Captain Marvel tracking to gross over $100 million in its opening weekend, meaning it will outperform the likes of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Iron Man. Some are arguing that the movie should be viewed as a failure simply because it isn't set to beat Black Panther - the MCU's highest-grossing solo superhero film to date - but by that measure, even Captain America: Civil War is a failure.
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Then there's Rotten Tomatoes. Trolls are already review bombing the film, even though none of them have actually seen it yet, all in a misguided attempt to make it look as though the film is in trouble. A close look at the comments reveals that most of them are related to Larson's politics, or to the ostensible "agenda" surrounding Captain Marvel, and many of them are from people who clearly weren't interested in watching the film in the first place.
Captain Marvel Is Becoming The MCU’s Most Controversial Movie (But It Really Shouldn’t)
WHY CAPTAIN MARVEL'S CONTROVERSY WON'T MATTER
For all the heat Captain Marvel appears to be generating, the truth is it's probably safe to relax. These trolls aren't doing anything new; they attacked Star Wars: The Last Jedi in pretty much the same way, and that film went on to become the highest-grossing blockbuster of 2017. This isn't even anything Marvel Studios hasn't had to deal with before, as it's a rinse-and-repeat of what happened with last year's Black Panther. Far-right trolls announced a campaign to sabotage Black Panther's Rotten Tomatoes score, claiming to be angry that Disney was spotlighting non-white and/or female characters in their films. Director Ryan Coogler even wound up responding to the news after it gained traction, insisting he wasn't worried about it. He was right not to be concerned; Black Panther grossed over $700 million in the domestic box office, and made over $1.3 billion worldwide. It was a cultural event, and is the first superhero film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. The trolls really didn't succeed in their goal.
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Related: The Highest-Grossing Movies Of 2018
Nor will they succeed this time. All signs indicate that Captain Marvel will be the latest in a long line of Marvel Studios blockbuster hits, and that all the trolls' fury will have no effect at all. In fact, according to IMDb Captain Marvel was the most anticipated movie of 2019. Granted, that statement was made before the trailer for Avengers: Endgame was released, but it still suggests that the trolls have failed to connect with the average viewer.
The truth is that this vocal minority like to act as though they speak for audiences everywhere, but they're actually pretty easy to tune out, and their actions don't have much of an impact on box office performance. There's no evidence at all to suggest review bombing works, and the handful of fan-sites cheering on the trolls are roundly mocked. That's not to say Captain Marvel will outperform Black Panther; that sort of box office performance for a solo superhero movie is a cultural event, and Marvel will be fortunate if they ever manage to repeat it. But Captain Marvel will be just fine.
- BY THOMAS BACON
- – ON FEB 23, 2019
- IN SR ORIGINALS
Captain Marvel seems to be becoming the MCU's most divisive movie - and for no real reason at all. After 11 years, Marvel Studios is finally producing a solo film starring a female superhero. It's essentially a prequel for the entire MCU, set in the 1990s and featuring Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg as a de-aged Nick Fury and Phil Coulson. What's more, this is a crucial step on the journey to the hugely-anticipated Avengers: Endgame, with Captain Marvel expected to play a major part in the battle against Thanos.
Unfortunately, in Marvel fan communities Captain Marvel is becoming incredibly controversial. In some places online it's impossible to even mention the film without the discussion becoming a litany of complaints, as people fume over everything from radical feminism to rampant misandry. Some complain about Marvel's introducing too powerful a hero so late in the day, as though the power-levels of heroes in the MCU haven't gradually been increasing over time in the first place. Naturally, this is only a small but vocal minority of fans, but it's starting to spoil discussion in the various fan communities.
ADVERTISING
Related: Captain Marvel Has More Guardians of the Galaxy Connections Than You Realized
Some are fearing there'll be a repeat of the Ghostbusters effect, with bad PR leading to poor box office performance; or perhaps a backlash like the one that left Star Wars fans bitterly divided after Star Wars: The Last Jedi. But not only are those fears overstated, in this case the trolls are worked up over nothing.
BRIE LARSON HAS BECOME ODDLY DIVISIVE
There have been a whole litany of complains about Brie Larson: she doesn't smile enough in the trailers, she doesn't have the exaggerated superhero physique, she doesn't know enough about the character. Many of these issues are bizarre, and frankly a little sexist, hinting that Captain Marvel should exist primarily as eye-candy. As Larson herself pointed out through an amusing Photoshopped image, male superheroes are traditionally portrayed as stoic, so why should female heroes have to grin at the camera all the time? The more recent TV spots have revealed that the film is as rich in humor as any other Marvel movie, and first reactions have praised the "buddy cop" banter between Larson's Captain Marvel and Jackson's Nick Fury. So it seems this particular reaction was very much premature.
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Compounding this is the fact that Brie Larson herself is a feminist. Some fans claim to object to the idea that Marvel has hired a politically vocal actor, but that argument is flawed; Josh Brolin has recorded Donald Trump tweets in a Thanos voice, Chris Evans has been so outspoken that he told Esquire he'd been advised it could damage his career, and Mark Ruffalo is a noted political campaigner on environmental issues. These actors all seem to get a free pass, which suggests that the real issue is either the complainants either don't like a woman being political, or that they object specifically to feminism. Of course, there's a real irony in objecting to a feminist actress playing Carol Danvers; in the comics Danvers is a prominent feminist herself, and her original superhero identity - "Ms. Marvel" - was intended as a deliberate political statement. Captain Marvel is largely inspired by Kelly Sue DeConnick's popular comic book run, which was notably feminist. So Marvel has essentially cast according to type.
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Some fans have gone to ridiculous lengths to accuse Brie Larson of misandry, twisting words completely out of context. For example, in an interview with Marie Claire she made a point about wanting her press days to be more inclusive. Here's what Larson said:
"About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white male. So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of colour, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses."
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Related: How The MCU Will Look Completely Different After 2019
This is hardly misandry; Larson's problem isn't that she doesn't want to see white men in the audience, it's that she wants to see women as well as men, and people of every racial background. "What I’m looking for is to bring more seats up to the table," she was forced to clarify. "No one is getting their chair taken away. There’s not less seats at the table, there’s just more seats at the table." And this is far from the only example of Larson's words being taken out of context in order to attack her; when she recorded a jokey video pretending not to know who Captain Marvel was, countless YouTubers pretended she was serious.
ADVERTISING
HOW FANS ARE TRYING TO HURT CAPTAIN MARVEL
Some fans are going beyond critical comments though, and are actively trying to hurt Captain Marvel's box office performance. So far, there are really two lines of attack. The first was deliberately misreading box office projections, suggesting the film is expected to underperform and even bomb at the box office. It's a flawed argument, since early estimates show Captain Marvel tracking to gross over $100 million in its opening weekend, meaning it will outperform the likes of Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Iron Man. Some are arguing that the movie should be viewed as a failure simply because it isn't set to beat Black Panther - the MCU's highest-grossing solo superhero film to date - but by that measure, even Captain America: Civil War is a failure.
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Then there's Rotten Tomatoes. Trolls are already review bombing the film, even though none of them have actually seen it yet, all in a misguided attempt to make it look as though the film is in trouble. A close look at the comments reveals that most of them are related to Larson's politics, or to the ostensible "agenda" surrounding Captain Marvel, and many of them are from people who clearly weren't interested in watching the film in the first place.
Captain Marvel Is Becoming The MCU’s Most Controversial Movie (But It Really Shouldn’t)
- BY THOMAS BACON
- – ON FEB 23, 2019
- IN SR ORIGINALS
WHY CAPTAIN MARVEL'S CONTROVERSY WON'T MATTER
For all the heat Captain Marvel appears to be generating, the truth is it's probably safe to relax. These trolls aren't doing anything new; they attacked Star Wars: The Last Jedi in pretty much the same way, and that film went on to become the highest-grossing blockbuster of 2017. This isn't even anything Marvel Studios hasn't had to deal with before, as it's a rinse-and-repeat of what happened with last year's Black Panther. Far-right trolls announced a campaign to sabotage Black Panther's Rotten Tomatoes score, claiming to be angry that Disney was spotlighting non-white and/or female characters in their films. Director Ryan Coogler even wound up responding to the news after it gained traction, insisting he wasn't worried about it. He was right not to be concerned; Black Panther grossed over $700 million in the domestic box office, and made over $1.3 billion worldwide. It was a cultural event, and is the first superhero film to be nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. The trolls really didn't succeed in their goal.
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Related: The Highest-Grossing Movies Of 2018
Nor will they succeed this time. All signs indicate that Captain Marvel will be the latest in a long line of Marvel Studios blockbuster hits, and that all the trolls' fury will have no effect at all. In fact, according to IMDb Captain Marvel was the most anticipated movie of 2019. Granted, that statement was made before the trailer for Avengers: Endgame was released, but it still suggests that the trolls have failed to connect with the average viewer.
The truth is that this vocal minority like to act as though they speak for audiences everywhere, but they're actually pretty easy to tune out, and their actions don't have much of an impact on box office performance. There's no evidence at all to suggest review bombing works, and the handful of fan-sites cheering on the trolls are roundly mocked. That's not to say Captain Marvel will outperform Black Panther; that sort of box office performance for a solo superhero movie is a cultural event, and Marvel will be fortunate if they ever manage to repeat it. But Captain Marvel will be just fine.
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In her Crystal Award for Excellence in Film acceptance speech at the Crystal + Lucy Awards Wednesday night, actress Brie Larson cited USC Annenberg’s “Critic’s Choice” study in a call for diversity in entertainment coverage.
She disclosed how, “of the 100 highest-grossing movies in 2017, less than a quarter of the critics were white women, less than ten percent were underrepresented men, and only 2.5 percent were women of color.”
Recognizing that “reviews change lives” and the impact which films are considered for awards season, Larson called for more inclusive representation in the industry. “Am I saying I hate white dudes?” the Oscar-winner asked the room at the Beverly Hilton. “No, I’m not,” she replied.
“I don’t want to hear what a white man has to say about ‘A Wrinkle in Time.’ I want to hear what a woman of color, a biracial woman has to say about the film. I want to hear what teenagers think about the film.”
“If you make a movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is a chance that a woman of color does not have access to review and critique your film,” she said, while revealing plans to roll out an opt-in program that will provide studios with access to underrepresented journalists and critics. “Do not say the talent is not there, because it is.”
The actress also announced that the Sundance Film Festival and the Toronto Film Festival have pledged that 20 percent of their press credentials to minorities to better reflect America.
She concluded her speech urging publicists to revisit their press line and junket invites to “please make sure that these invites and credentials find their way to more underrepresented journalists and critics, many of whom are freelancers.”
https://variety.com/video/brie-larson-crystal-lucy-awards-critics/
Never inject politics like feminism and the future is female crap in movies. SJW movies flop ask ghostbusters or battlefield 5.
Now I’m not saying captain marvel will flop. But the max I see it opening is antman and the Wasp which is $75 million opening weekend and $600 million max worldwide. If this movie does under that. Trolls are going to have a field day.
Plus I don’t see this breaking out in China. I have friends that live in China and they are well aware of left wing politics and SJW movies and they hate SJW policies. They don’t like it in there movies.
Now I’m not saying captain marvel will flop. But the max I see it opening is antman and the Wasp which is $75 million opening weekend and $600 million max worldwide. If this movie does under that. Trolls are going to have a field day.
Plus I don’t see this breaking out in China. I have friends that live in China and they are well aware of left wing politics and SJW movies and they hate SJW policies. They don’t like it in there movies.
Brie Larson Promises ‘I Do Not Hate White Dudes,’ But Laments Lack of Inclusion Among Film Critics
The future Marvel superhero didn't clap when she presented Casey Affleck his Oscar, but her Crystal + Lucy Awards speech referenced something else entirely.
Jenna Marotta
Jun 14, 2018 1:51 am
Brie Larson arrives at the 2018 Crystal + Lucy Awards
Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP/REX/Shutterstock
[Updated with correction: An earlier version of this story quoted Brie Larson as saying, “I do not need a 70-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘A Wrinkle In Time.'” Larson actually said, “40-year-old.” We have corrected in this story and regret the error.]
While accepting the final statuette at Wednesday night’s Crystal + Lucy Awards, future “Captain Marvel” star Brie Larson chose not to devote her stage time to the expected topics of #MeToo and the Time’s Up movement. She also had no interest in thanking her family or “talking about her publicist.” Instead, she wanted to address “an issue that’s been bubbling”: the lack of representation among film critics.
On Monday, the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative — led by Dr. Stacy L. Smith, honored earlier at the ceremony by Frances McDormand — released a report that examined nearly 20,000 reviews of last year’s 100 top-grossing movies. The report found that 63.9 percent of those reviews were written by white men, versus white women (18.1 percent), underrepresented men (13.8 percent), and underrepresented women (4.1 percent).
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“Am I saying I hate white dudes?” asked the Oscar-winning “Room” actress, a question that she’d repeat twice more during her speech. She answered with a sneer, “No, I’m not … [but if] you make the movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie and review your movie.”
Larson continued, “[Audiences] are not allowed enough chances to read public discourse on these films by the people that the films were made for. I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘[A] Wrinkle in Time.’ It wasn’t made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial.”
The Annenberg report noted that the national demographic breakdown for the aforementioned groups is 30/30/20/20. Larson advocated for more diversity among reporters and photographers assigned to red carpets and junkets, and a forthcoming, unnamed tool that will help studios find critics from minority groups.
In addition, she announced that the Sundance Institute has pledged to give at least 20 percent of their top-tier press passes at next year’s Sundance Film Festival to underrepresented groups. The Toronto Film Festival is eyeing a similar goal for this September, she said.
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“It really sucks that reviews matter,” she conceded. “Good reviews out of festivals give small, independent films a fighting chance to be bought and seen, good reviews help films gross money, good reviews slingshot films into awards contenders, a good review can change you life — it changed mine.”
The Crystal + Lucy Awards is the signature fundraiser for Women in Film, a 45-year-old nonprofit. This year’s proceedings took place at the Beverly Hilton. Larson received the Crystal Award, presented annually to those who “have helped to expand the role of women within the entertainment industry.” Previous winners include Nicole Kidman, Viola Davis, Bette Davis, Nora Ephron, and Maya Angelou. She was introduced by Jessie Ennis, her co-writer/co-director on the 2012 short “The Arm.” According to Ennis, their friendship began when Larson invited her over for a craft night.
The future Marvel superhero didn't clap when she presented Casey Affleck his Oscar, but her Crystal + Lucy Awards speech referenced something else entirely.
Jenna Marotta
Jun 14, 2018 1:51 am
Brie Larson arrives at the 2018 Crystal + Lucy Awards
Chris Pizzello/Invision/AP/REX/Shutterstock
[Updated with correction: An earlier version of this story quoted Brie Larson as saying, “I do not need a 70-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘A Wrinkle In Time.'” Larson actually said, “40-year-old.” We have corrected in this story and regret the error.]
While accepting the final statuette at Wednesday night’s Crystal + Lucy Awards, future “Captain Marvel” star Brie Larson chose not to devote her stage time to the expected topics of #MeToo and the Time’s Up movement. She also had no interest in thanking her family or “talking about her publicist.” Instead, she wanted to address “an issue that’s been bubbling”: the lack of representation among film critics.
On Monday, the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative — led by Dr. Stacy L. Smith, honored earlier at the ceremony by Frances McDormand — released a report that examined nearly 20,000 reviews of last year’s 100 top-grossing movies. The report found that 63.9 percent of those reviews were written by white men, versus white women (18.1 percent), underrepresented men (13.8 percent), and underrepresented women (4.1 percent).
‘Captain Marvel’ First Behind-the-Scenes Photo: Brie Larson Suits Up and Learns How to Fly
“Am I saying I hate white dudes?” asked the Oscar-winning “Room” actress, a question that she’d repeat twice more during her speech. She answered with a sneer, “No, I’m not … [but if] you make the movie that is a love letter to women of color, there is an insanely low chance a woman of color will have a chance to see your movie and review your movie.”
Larson continued, “[Audiences] are not allowed enough chances to read public discourse on these films by the people that the films were made for. I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘[A] Wrinkle in Time.’ It wasn’t made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial.”
The Annenberg report noted that the national demographic breakdown for the aforementioned groups is 30/30/20/20. Larson advocated for more diversity among reporters and photographers assigned to red carpets and junkets, and a forthcoming, unnamed tool that will help studios find critics from minority groups.
In addition, she announced that the Sundance Institute has pledged to give at least 20 percent of their top-tier press passes at next year’s Sundance Film Festival to underrepresented groups. The Toronto Film Festival is eyeing a similar goal for this September, she said.
Brie Larson Hopes Her Whimsical Directorial Debut ‘Unicorn Store’ Will Inspire Other Artists, Even If They Hate It
“It really sucks that reviews matter,” she conceded. “Good reviews out of festivals give small, independent films a fighting chance to be bought and seen, good reviews help films gross money, good reviews slingshot films into awards contenders, a good review can change you life — it changed mine.”
The Crystal + Lucy Awards is the signature fundraiser for Women in Film, a 45-year-old nonprofit. This year’s proceedings took place at the Beverly Hilton. Larson received the Crystal Award, presented annually to those who “have helped to expand the role of women within the entertainment industry.” Previous winners include Nicole Kidman, Viola Davis, Bette Davis, Nora Ephron, and Maya Angelou. She was introduced by Jessie Ennis, her co-writer/co-director on the 2012 short “The Arm.” According to Ennis, their friendship began when Larson invited her over for a craft night.
“About a year ago, I started paying attention to what my press days looked like and the critics reviewing movies, and noticed it appeared to be overwhelmingly white males. So, I spoke to Dr Stacy Smith at the USC Annenberg Inclusion Initiative, who put together a study to confirm that. Moving forward, I decided to make sure my press days were more inclusive. After speaking with you, the film critic Valerie Complex and a few other women of color, it sounded like across the board they weren’t getting the same opportunities as others. When I talked to the facilities that weren’t providing it, they all had different excuses. I want to go out of my way to connect the dots. It just took me using the power that I’ve been given now as Captain Marvel. [The role] comes with all these privileges and powers that make me feel uncomfortable because I don’t really need them.”
Agreed, but this ain't the place to take that stand, IMO.
As black people, we deal with white fragility on a daily basis. That being said, I do not let white progressives conflate issues of race with issues of sex, and gender. The white woman's struggle is not that of black people. The gay white male's struggle is not that of black people. White progressives seek to claim them as the same so that they can continue to retain control and to dominate the narrative. There is a reason that white women are the highest benefactors of affirmative action, which was clearly initially instituted because of the disproportionate disparity and discrimination towards black people. Inclusion allowed the takeover. The equation of racial discrimination to that of gender and sexuality is the first step in taking control of the narrative of all discrimination. First, they get you to say "its all the same", then they use their privilege to define the parameters and consequences of such actions and use them against the very people they were made to protect in the first place.
The feminists have their own agenda. Step one seeks to blame and punish white males but if you think its going to stop at white males, you are sadly mistaken. I have had feminists have the nerve to look me in my face and tell me that I have no clue about oppression because I have a dick and am "protected by the patriarchy". How the fuck you fix your mouth to say that to a black man is beyond me. But, that sort of thing reminds me that their struggle is not our struggle and just because our objectives cross doesn't mean we should ally ourselves to their agenda.
On the one hand, its just a movie. But, lets be honest about a few things: white males buy more comic books than anyone else. They are, as a group, Marvel's biggest supporters. They are seeing the results of Disney, a company that has made its fortune catering to little girls and women, acquiring Marvel. Disney is like Trump saying I'm going to build a wall and the Mexicans are gonna pay for it or like that Eddie Murphy joke where the white man orders snacks at the movie and says "...and the n***** is gonna pay for it". They have been heavy-handed with Star Wars fans and are going to be heavy-handed with Marvel fans, too. The question is are they strong enough to survive the hit they are going to take when white guys stop paying for shit. Gillette took a hard hit to its finances after that superbowl commercial. Nobody likes being kicked in the nuts for existing and we know that better than anyone. Just be careful what you co-sign. It can easily come back on you even if it doesn't affect you at the moment.
You must not be following what's happening. Presales of the movie already have it opening over 100 mill with estimates as high as 120+ right now; and that's with 2 weeks to go before it hits theaters. Also it's the 3rd highest presales on fandango ever!! Behind only infinity war and black panther. And it's the 2nd highest origin presales behind panther; it's surpassing wonder woman and aquaman easily! I would bet it does 130 plus easily. Some of the comments in here are weird and I'm not understanding them.....
Presales mean shit. Remember Star Solo Wars was beating black panther in presales? And it made about $80 million opening and $398 million worldwide and lost $200 million dollars for Disney.
Go checkout rotten tomatoes. The “want to see movies is at 27%” which is the lowest in Marvel History.
There is no way captain marvel is making $100 million opening. I know to many people that are skipping it and going to see end game
. Don't separate whitey, captain marvel movie was going to be made,, fans had to harass bombard marvel movie brass about the possibility of a black panther movie.
Brie is speaking from a place of privilege, that Chadwick couldn't and won't.
Yeah Star Wars is losing money and nobody is purchasing there toys or merchandise. I don’t know why these companies want to cater to feminist and SJWs. They do not buy anything. They just complain and bitch on Twitter.
Now they want to do that with marvel films but I watch a lot of these white fanboys on YouTube. There going to send captain marvel a message. This will be marvels first movie to underperform.
Everybody is aware of SJW politics
See that a fools gold number; that "beating black panther" was only for the 1st 24hours of release; so if one was to dig a little deeper and actually look at the presales for the entirety, solo came no where close to panther; and there was a lot of competition when solo came out; there is no competition for a few weeks with captain marvel; captain marvel will do more than 100 mill easily book it...
Captain marvel is going to flop. How do I know it’s going to flop? Rotten tomatoes just change there rating system where you can no longer vote on “want to see this movie” They just change there whole system that has been around for almost a decade because captain marvel was getting such low ratings.
I use to work for corporate and Disney flex there muscles and know you can’t trust rotten tomatoes, if Disney know they had a blockbuster they would not pull this desperate attempt to hide ratings.
Define flop...because the reported budget for Captain Marvel is 152mill; so I believe in Marvel and I havent seen a Marvel Studios movie "flop" yet; so define a flop...