Taraji P. Henson Sparks Outrage After Comparing R. Kelly To Harvey Weinstein

[MistaPhantastic]

This might spark some emotions from some of you soft ass Generation Z niggas, but I don't believe in "muting" artists. I have no problems separating the art from the artist.
(Note: I have never liked R. Kelly's music. Dude has stolen way too much shit for my tastes and lacks substance.)
That said, I see "muting" as a control tactic. The conservatives tried that shit in the 80s/90s and it didn't work and now the liberals have become so extreme that they are behaving the same way.
When someone commits a crime; you put them away. If a child molester created a cure for cancer, the common cold or some shit like that, tell me you wouldn't take it! Would you "mute" their discovery knowing that it could help millions or billions of people?

The human condition is complex. Simpletons always want to break it down to good vs evil but that's not real. If you can't be an adult and learn to categorize actions, then maybe adulting isn't for your infantile asses. Life is not a cartoon. People are more complex than that and its a dangerous road to go down to judge a whole person's life by cherry-picking what you like or don't like.
For all of the shit they claim Cosby did, I don't see anyone giving back the millions he's donated over the years. Where's that mute? Weinstein has over 300 productions on his IMDB credits. All of them are muted now? Fruitvale Station, too? The Great Debator, too? The Mandela movie, too?
Its an immature, emotion-based decision to "mute" anyone. You don't have to like a person's deeds or the person themselves but that doesn't disavow everything that they've done. Most surgeons are assholes with god complexes but when you get into an accident, you need one. Political correctness should not be the paramount factor in your life choices.

 

[O.J PIMPSON]

 

[playahaitian]

I really hope there is more to that quote

I REALLY DO.

 

[playahaitian]

This might spark some emotions from some of you soft ass Generation Z niggas, but I don't believe in "muting" artists. I have no problems separating the art from the artist.
(Note: I have never liked R. Kelly's music. Dude has stolen way too much shit for my tastes and lacks substance.)
That said, I see "muting" as a control tactic. The conservatives tried that shit in the 80s/90s and it didn't work and now the liberals have become so extreme that they are behaving the same way.
When someone commits a crime; you put them away. If a child molester created a cure for cancer, the common cold or some shit like that, tell me you wouldn't take it! Would you "mute" their discovery knowing that it could help millions or billions of people?

The human condition is complex. Simpletons always want to break it down to good vs evil but that's not real. If you can't be an adult and learn to categorize actions, then maybe adulting isn't for your infantile asses. Life is not a cartoon. People are more complex than that and its a dangerous road to go down to judge a whole person's life by cherry-picking what you like or don't like.
For all of the shit they claim Cosby did, I don't see anyone giving back the millions he's donated over the years. Where's that mute? Weinstein has over 300 productions on his IMDB credits. All of them are muted now? Fruitvale Station, too? The Great Debator, too? The Mandela movie, too?
Its an immature, emotion-based decision to "mute" anyone. You don't have to like a person's deeds or the person themselves but that doesn't disavow everything that they've done. Most surgeons are assholes with god complexes but when you get into an accident, you need one. Political correctness should not be the paramount factor in your life choices.

That was not bad breakdown at all.

I think it not even real

Like white folk burning nike sneakers or all boycotting the nfl

It sounds good.

Not saying SOME did not follow through but MANY did not.

So i think its ok to MUTE someone

Its just damn near IMPOSSIBLE to actually do so in practice.

But i respect the genuine effort.

Like you said humans and modern culture is to covoluted and complex...

And like @4 Dimensional says

We are emotional hypocrites

We will bend and twist our supposed morals and values to fit who we like.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

It’s because black people didn’t give a fuck about those white pedos until R. Kelly got taken down.

Or didn't know cause....we don't pay attention to them?

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

So because white people arent “throwing” their own under the bus we are supposed to throw our deviants? Nah. For me it ain’t “Ok R. Kelly guilty but what about .... its “Fuck R. Kelly and them too.” But honestly I don’t give as much of a fuck about the CAC victims. Cause they don’t care about ours. If Kelly victims were white 12 play would have been his only album.

We let white people into our business lol
We let them hold us to higher standards than they hold themselves

The little racist maga kid is on the today show and about to visit the white house


Brown kids are in cages.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

That was not bad breakdown at all.

I think it not even real

Like white folk burning nike sneakers or all boycotting the nfl

It sounds good.

Not saying SOME did not follow through but MANY did not.

So i think its ok to MUTE someone

Its just damn near IMPOSSIBLE to actually do so in practice.

But i respect the genuine effort.

Like you said humans and modern culture is to covoluted and complex...

And like @4 Dimensional says

We are emotional hypocrites

We will bend and twist our supposed morals and values to fit who we like.

Agreed.
I "muted" R. Kelly long before he was controversial. I muted that nigga when he stole Aaron Hall's whole style and sound. Even still, he's got one or two songs that I can tolerate and I ain't changing the station just because he's on it.
We are in a fucked up, emotional era right now. This is how societies fall - when emotions and political correctness supersede logic and reason. This is how you get shit like "toxic masculinity" instead of toxic behavior.

 

[FJP]

We let white people into our business lol
We let them hold us to higher standards than they hold themselves

The little racist maga kid is on the today show and about to visit the white house


Brown kids are in cages.

Truth.

 

[playahaitian]

Agreed.
I "muted" R. Kelly long before he was controversial. I muted that nigga when he stole Aaron Hall's whole style and sound. Even still, he's got one or two songs that I can tolerate and I ain't changing the station just because he's on it.
We are in a fucked up, emotional era right now. This is how societies fall - when emotions and political correctness supersede logic and reason. This is how you get shit like "toxic masculinity" instead of toxic behavior.

I was never a big fan of kelly

But could never deny his talent and musical genius

After he jacked Aaron...

Homeboy dropped massive hits

Jeep the mr. Biggs stuff, wrote fir dozens of major artists, stepping, fiesta, remixes

Its like Kanye. He was always a dork but damn he had music but the more he talked the less i liked him and it DOES effect the music

How could it not?

However I am able to compartmentalize

Some can't and that is OK

I don't need to attack the other side even if they wrong. Cause they cant DEBATE cause its so wrapped up in feelings and emotional

Again that aint necessarily BAD but it aint good if its the ONLY barometer we using

It isn't feminine or masculine

Its just how people are now.

And your right...

Im waiting for someone to announce

Toxic femininity

And bring up plastic surgery social media child abuse groupies false rape accusations etc

Cause to make an even tacit connection to being "masculine" to being everything bad is f*cked.

 

[respiration]

Bryan Singer,Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still producing movies and getting praised despite being known pedophiles....Women still follow Lena Dunham and Asia Argento and the north of them continue to get movie roles despite their history of pedophilia...


I have no problem with folks getting angry and not supporting R. Kelly because I'm on that side of the fence(I was never a fan before the accusations)but,if folks want go after him they should go after all these other folks the same way that's all I'm saying...

They have.

The #MeToo movement was started in 2006 but was given a national spotlight by Alyssa Milano beginning October 15, 2017.
According to this New York Times article from October 29, 2018, the movement has taken down more than 200 prominent American people.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/23/us/metoo-replacements.html

Out of the 201 people mentioned in the article, 15 were Black. That is 7.4% of 201.

This compared to Black people comprising 12.3% of the U.S. population.

Statistically, there is not a Black/white racial disparity when it comes to #MeToo. If one was to throw in R. Kelly and Bill Cosby (whose public takedown began before #MeToo grew legs), the percentage would still be under 9% of those mentioned in the article.

It is true that Roman Polanski continues to make films - in Europe. As a result of the #MeToo movement he was expelled from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Also, since he fled the U.S. for Paris in 1977, he's been a fugitive from the U.S. system of justice after he found out the judge on his case intended to imprison him and he fled to Paris. (additional source: Wikipedia)

Scott Bairstow, Jared Fogle, Gary Glitter, Stephen Collins and Jeffery Jones are white celebrities not mentioned in the above article whose careers and/or freedom ended as a result of their being pedos. So yes, those three names of Woody Allen, Bryan Singer and Roman Polanski are people whose careers have survived allegations of pedophilia, several other whites' careers haven't. And in the overall picture of celebrity sexual misconduct - with underage victims and not - when you add in those 199 other names, prominent Black folks whose careers faltered under #MeToo have statistically been fewer relative to whites. This, especially balanced against the numbers of all Black folks who live in the U.S.

R. Kelly stands out because he is our most famous public figure to come under fire (with receipts) for sex crimes against children. He also is on a a sex tape pissing in a 13 year old's mouth after having sex with her. So, there's no question as to his being what he is. Taraji's deleted post proved nothing except the number of hashtags (on instagram?) that used the search terms that she entered. Since Harvey Weinstein's career is finished, his company went bankrupt, and he's facing prosecution and has publicly been accused of sexual misconduct and rape by a bevy of celebrity women, what did Taraji really prove in terms of effect?

 

[FJP]

And if Weinstein wasn’t muted I don’t know who was then. That man was richer and more powerful than Kelly and owned the second largest studio in America... now they are bankrupt.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

I was never a big fan of kelly

But could never deny his talent and musical genius

After he jacked Aaron...

Homeboy dropped massive hits

Jeep the mr. Biggs stuff, wrote fir dozens of major artists, stepping, fiesta, remixes

Its like Kanye. He was always a dork but damn he had music but the more he talked the less i liked him and it DOES effect the music

How could it not?

However I am able to compartmentalize

Some can't and that is OK

I don't need to attack the other side even if they wrong. Cause they cant DEBATE cause its so wrapped up in feelings and emotional

Again that aint necessarily BAD but it aint good if its the ONLY barometer we using

It isn't feminine or masculine

Its just how people are now.

And your right...

Im waiting for someone to announce

Toxic femininity

And bring up plastic surgery social media child abuse groupies false rape accusations etc

Cause to make an even tacit connection to being "masculine" to being everything bad is f*cked.

R. Kelly = Rogue
Aaron Hall = Ms. Marvel
Rogue stole Ms. Marvel's powers and still uses them. R Kelly made hits still using Aaron Hall's style
I know its a silly comparison. Not trying to change the tone of the thread but its still kinda true.

 

[playahaitian]

And if Weinstein wasn’t muted I don’t know who was then. That man was richer and more powerful than Kelly and owned the second largest studio in America... now they are bankrupt.

He so muted

They almost caught kevin hart and bryan Cranston in the crossfire cause their movie was produced by his old company

Which EVERYONE knew about for like 2 years...

 

[respiration]

R. Kelly = Rogue
Aaron Hall = Ms. Marvel
Rogue stole Ms. Marvel's powers and still uses them. R Kelly made hits still using Aaron Hall's style
I know its a silly comparison. Not trying to change the tone of the thread but its still kinda true.

...And Aaron Hall made hits using Charlie Wilson's style, don't forget. I don't know where he would fit into the super heroine paradigm though lol.

 

[playahaitian]

They have.

The #MeToo movement was started in 2006 but was given a national spotlight by Alyssa Milano beginning October 15, 2017.
According to this New York Times article from October 29, 2018, the movement has taken down more than 200 prominent American people.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/23/us/metoo-replacements.html

Out of the 201 people mentioned in the article, 15 were Black. That is 7.4% of 201.

This compared to Black people comprising 12.3% of the U.S. population.

Statistically, there is not a Black/white racial disparity when it comes to #MeToo. If one was to throw in R. Kelly and Bill Cosby (whose public takedown began before #MeToo grew legs), the percentage would still be under 9% of those mentioned in the article.

It is true that Roman Polanski continues to make films - in Europe. As a result of the #MeToo movement he was expelled from the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Also, since he fled the U.S. for Paris in 1977, he's been a fugitive from the U.S. system of justice after he found out the judge on his case intended to imprison him and he fled to Paris. (additional source: Wikipedia)

Scott Bairstow, Jared Fogle, Gary Glitter, Stephen Collins and Jeffery Jones are white celebrities not mentioned in the above article whose careers and/or freedom ended as a result of their being pedos. So yes, those three names of Woody Allen, Bryan Singer and Roman Polanski are people whose careers have survived allegations of pedophilia, several other whites' careers haven't. And in the overall picture of celebrity sexual misconduct - with underage victims and not - when you add in those 199 other names, prominent Black folks whose careers faltered under #MeToo have statistically been fewer relative to whites. This, especially balanced against the numbers of all Black folks who live in the U.S.

R. Kelly stands out because he is our most famous public figure to come under fire (with receipts) for sex crimes against children. He also is on a a sex tape pissing in a 13 year old's mouth after having sex with her. So, there's no question as to his being what he is. Taraji's deleted post proved nothing except the number of hashtags (on instagram?) that used the search terms that she entered. Since Harvey Weinstein's career is finished, his company went bankrupt, and he's facing prosecution and has publicly been accused of sexual misconduct and rape by a bevy of celebrity women, what did Taraji really prove in terms of effect?

I hear you...

Its perception

And also modern news and social media to blame

Because of social feeds and targeted news?

WE FEEL (legitimately) that Cosby and Kelly getting extra shit

And the other side feels like they aren't.

Its ALL perception

However...there is TRUTH that overall the media wants darker faces

The only counter is how EVERYONE rallied around Aziz... that there is the outlier.

But @ansatsusha_gouki is right there has been way too many white faces walking around unscathed to act like black folk are some type of worst case.

These same white folks gave a pedophile rapist a standing ovation at the Academy Awards.

Look i HATE ranking evil

That is offensive to everyone involved.

They ALL BAD....

But white folk have to stay in they lane on this and clean they own house

we NEED to clean ours SERIOUSLY and stop engaging in this argument cause it continues to hurt real victins and their loved ones

Cause all those quoting @tallblacknyc seem to ignore that he has NEVER tried to give guilty black men ANY type of pass

he wants them to get hell fire and always sympathizes with the victims.

Its those trying to PROFIT from these atrocities and manipulate it for their own benefit he attacking.

But maybe people are not capable of doing both

I get that too.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

...And Aaron Hall made hits using Charlie Wilson's style, don't forget. I don't know where he would fit into the super heroine paradigm though lol.

Fo sho! But at least Aaron put his own spin on it. Charlie is the originator. Charlie = Batman. Aaron = Nightwing. Kelly = Moonknight?
Kelly straight up jacked Aaron's swag/spin on Charlie's original sound. Kelly has probably had the most success at it but its still not his, like Rogue's powers were not hers. But, neither Aaron nor Charlie have a national scandal, so there's that.

 

[respiration]

I hear you...

Its perception

And also modern news and social media to blame

Because of social feeds and targeted news?

WE FEEL (legitimately) that Cosby and Kelly getting extra shit

And the other side feels like they aren't.

Its ALL perception

However...there is TRUTH that overall the media wants darker faces

The only counter is how EVERYONE rallied around Aziz... that there is the outlier.

But @ansatsusha_gouki is right there has been way too many white faces walking around unscathed to act like black folk are some type of worst case.

These same white folks gave a pedophile rapist a standing ovation at the Academy Awards.

Look i HATE ranking evil

That is offensive to everyone involved.

They ALL BAD....

But white folk have to stay in they lane on this and clean they own house

we NEED to clean ours SERIOUSLY and stop engaging in this argument cause it continues to hurt real victins and their loved ones

Cause all those quoting @tallblacknyc seem to ignore that he has NEVER tried to give guilty black men ANY type of pass

he wants them to get hell fire and always sympathizes with the victims.

Its those trying to PROFIT from these atrocities and manipulate it for their own benefit he attacking.

But maybe people are not capable of doing both

I get that too.

From my perspective, what matters most is the real world effect the accusations have on people's careers, more so than how many hashtags a single person has.

Harvey Weinstein's public excoriation in media and social media and real life negates the argument of Bill Cosby and R. Kelly getting undue attention.

The criticism of Taraji, I believe, comes from the idea that she pointed out what she perceived as a race based disparity - but did not balance it with a verbal condemnation of R. Kelly's crimes. I think that's a legit critique. When I went to her Twitter page last night, she had posted a definitive statement condemning his crimes. Her original post about hashtags was deleted. IMO folks should now get off her back.

I also feel they should get off of Erykah Badu's back for saying she is praying for him (as well as the victims). Everyone is not gonna be like "Fuck R. Kelly!" In her comments, her referring to what he did as "sexual assault" and the women and girls he did it to as "victims"- that is a condemnation of him and his actions. Folks need to stop harassing her too.

Sometimes folks act as if there are only 2 options:
- Buy and support R. Kelly's music, concerts, etc
- Wish for him to die, catch AIDS, get murdered in prison, castrated etc

It is possible for one to not want him to kill himself, to get help and to be treated for his sickness but to also want him to be held accountable for what he's done. That's the middle ground.

Real talk, how many Black singers besides her and John Legend have come out and publicly condemned his actions? If people give a shit about his victims, then credit her for speaking out.

 

[ankhheru]

I really hope there is more to that quote

I REALLY DO.

Someone is going to say I took this the wrong way but she basically said if a black woman is victimized by a white man her #MeToo movement ain't where you need to go for help. Only black women who where victims of black men need apply.

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Sometimes folks act as if there are only 2 options:
- Buy and support R. Kelly's music, concerts, etc
- Wish for him to die, catch AIDS, get murdered in prison, castrated etc

It is possible for one to not want him to kill himself, to get help and to be treated for his sickness but to also want him to be held accountable for what he's done. That's the middle ground.

There is another option: to not give a shit at all.
This shit is old.
The only reason it is coming up is because of the metoo witch hunts and the fact that it is a distraction from the Trump treason.
Honestly, not everything is worthy of an even amount of attention.

 

[Entrepronegro]

Gotdamn she is hideous.

Scares the shit outta me with that face.

 

[playahaitian]

Someone is going to say I took this the wrong way but she basically said if a black woman is victimized by a white man her #MeToo movement ain't where you need to go for help. Only black women who where victims of black men need apply.

WOW...OK

But if a BLACK man assaults a white victim then she all in?

INTERESTING.

good lawd no matter how I try to get all "can we all just get along"?

@tallblacknyc is shown to be CORRECT time and time again

she SPECIFICALLY targeting Black predators OVER white predators.

WTF?!?!?!?

Maybe THAT is why they have basically taken this whole movement from her.

 

[playahaitian]

From my perspective, what matters most is the real world effect the accusations have on people's careers, more so than how many hashtags a single person has.

Harvey Weinstein's public excoriation in media and social media and real life negates the argument of Bill Cosby and R. Kelly getting undue attention.

The criticism of Taraji, I believe, comes from the idea that she pointed out what she perceived as a race based disparity - but did not balance it with a verbal condemnation of R. Kelly's crimes. I think that's a legit critique. When I went to her Twitter page last night, she had posted a definitive statement condemning his crimes. Her original post about hashtags was deleted. IMO folks should now get off her back.

I also feel they should get off of Erykah Badu's back for saying she is praying for him (as well as the victims). Everyone is not gonna be like "Fuck R. Kelly!" In her comments, her referring to what he did as "sexual assault" and the women and girls he did it to as "victims"- that is a condemnation of him and his actions. Folks need to stop harassing her too.

Sometimes folks act as if there are only 2 options:
- Buy and support R. Kelly's music, concerts, etc
- Wish for him to die, catch AIDS, get murdered in prison, castrated etc

It is possible for one to not want him to kill himself, to get help and to be treated for his sickness but to also want him to be held accountable for what he's done. That's the middle ground.

Real talk, how many Black singers besides her and John Legend have come out and publicly condemned his actions? If people give a shit about his victims, then credit her for speaking out.

very well stated.

but then you make ANOTHER point where people who feel its more racially motivated would see another issue

you gave 2 options...

but when 2 options like you proposed are presented in a WHITE PREDATOR?

like Weinstein?

Its called UNREALISTIC and UNFAIR to "mute" or "cancel" his work product

They tell you well the production staff, writers, producers, etc and actors were innocent

but I could argue the same for Cosby and Kelly

there MANY other who suffer from a "mute"

who are legitimately INNOCENT of ANY wrong doing.

What in the hell do you do with that?

 

[Silencer]

So because white people arent “throwing” their own under the bus we are supposed to throw our deviants? Nah. For me it ain’t “Ok R. Kelly guilty but what about .... its “Fuck R. Kelly and them too.” But honestly I don’t give as much of a fuck about the CAC victims. Cause they don’t care about ours. If Kelly victims were white 12 play would have been his only album.

Born into the 90s came out before 12play. (Unimportant nitpick but I keep seeing/reading people say 12play was his first album )

 

[woodchuck]

After seeing how those black women were acting at that show, it's hard for me to take black women yelling "Black girls deserve better!" or "No one values black women!" seriously.

 

[respiration]

WOW...OK

But if a BLACK man assaults a white victim then she all in?

INTERESTING.

good lawd no matter how I try to get all "can we all just get along"?

@tallblacknyc is shown to be CORRECT time and time again

she SPECIFICALLY targeting Black predators OVER white predators.

WTF?!?!?!?

Maybe THAT is why they have basically taken this whole movement from her.

Yes and no.

2006 (Tarana Burke):

Tarana Burke, a social activist and community organizer, began using the phrase "Me Too" in 2006, on the Myspace social network[15] as part of a campaign to promote "empowerment through empathy" among women of color who have experienced sexual abuse, particularly within underprivileged communities.[10][16][17] Burke, who is creating a documentary titled Me Too, has said she was inspired to use the phrase after being unable to respond to a 13-year-old girl who confided to her that she had been sexually assaulted. Burke said she later wished she had simply told the girl, "Me too".[15]

Technically, the above has always been her focus.

The current popular #MeToo movement is not something that came from Tarana Burke directly.

2017 (Alyssa Milano):

Alyssa Milano encouraged use of the hashtag after accusations against Harvey Weinstein surfaced in 2017.
Several hashtags related to sharing stories of workplace sexual harassment were in use before #MeToo, including #MyHarveyWeinstein, #YouOkSis, #WhatWereYouWearing and #SurvivorPrivilege.[18][19][20] On October 15, 2017, actress Alyssa Milano encouraged spreading the hashtag #MeToo, to attempt to draw attention to sexual assault and harassment.[10][21] Milano later acknowledged earlier use of the phrase by Burke.[15]

 

[respiration]

very well stated.

but then you make ANOTHER point where people who feel its ,ore racially motivated would see another issue

you gave 2 options...

but when 2 options like you proposed are presented in a WHITE PREDATOR

like Weinstein?

Its called UNREALISTIC and UNFAIR to "mute" or "cancel" his work product

They tell you well the production staff, writers, producers, etc and actors were innocent

but I could argue the same for Cosby and Kelly

there MANY other who suffer from a "mutte"

who are legitimately INNOCENT of ANY wrong doing.

What in the hell do you do with that?

When I talked about the ways people seem to look at R. Kelly I wasn't making a comparison to Weinstein. That said:

I haven't seen much - if at all- in the media or social media in the way of people being 100% behind Harvey Weinstein. The industry pretty much took a huge (well deserved) shit on the dude soon after his multiple allegations got legs in the mass media. Very soon after, he stepped down from his position, folks distanced themselves from him and his former company went bankrupt.

Both R. Kelly and Weinstein pretty much coasted along for a number of years without significant damage to either of their careers. Now both of their careers are all but over.

 

[respiration]

After seeing how those black women were acting at that show, it's hard for me to take black women yelling "Black girls deserve better!" or "No one values black women!" seriously.

Perhaps it wasn't the same women?

 

[geechiedan]

This might spark some emotions from some of you soft ass Generation Z niggas, but I don't believe in "muting" artists. I have no problems separating the art from the artist.
(Note: I have never liked R. Kelly's music. Dude has stolen way too much shit for my tastes and lacks substance.)
That said, I see "muting" as a control tactic. The conservatives tried that shit in the 80s/90s and it didn't work and now the liberals have become so extreme that they are behaving the same way.
When someone commits a crime; you put them away. If a child molester created a cure for cancer, the common cold or some shit like that, tell me you wouldn't take it! Would you "mute" their discovery knowing that it could help millions or billions of people?

The human condition is complex. Simpletons always want to break it down to good vs evil but that's not real. If you can't be an adult and learn to categorize actions, then maybe adulting isn't for your infantile asses. Life is not a cartoon. People are more complex than that and its a dangerous road to go down to judge a whole person's life by cherry-picking what you like or don't like.
For all of the shit they claim Cosby did, I don't see anyone giving back the millions he's donated over the years. Where's that mute? Weinstein has over 300 productions on his IMDB credits. All of them are muted now? Fruitvale Station, too? The Great Debator, too? The Mandela movie, too?
Its an immature, emotion-based decision to "mute" anyone. You don't have to like a person's deeds or the person themselves but that doesn't disavow everything that they've done. Most surgeons are assholes with god complexes but when you get into an accident, you need one. Political correctness should not be the paramount factor in your life choices.

okay...simple question

WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT A CRIMINAL IN YOUR MIDSTS WHO HAS GOTTEN AWAY WITH THEIR CRIMES? AS A COMMUNITY?

 

[respiration]

very well stated.

but then you make ANOTHER point where people who feel its ,ore racially motivated would see another issue

you gave 2 options...

but when 2 options like you proposed are presented in a WHITE PREDATOR

like Weinstein?

Its called UNREALISTIC and UNFAIR to "mute" or "cancel" his work product

They tell you well the production staff, writers, producers, etc and actors were innocent

but I could argue the same for Cosby and Kelly

there MANY other who suffer from a "mutte"

who are legitimately INNOCENT of ANY wrong doing.

What in the hell do you do with that?

Some good points made here. If you go after corruption, there's gonna be fallout and collateral damage. The other option would be to just let bad shit continue.

 

[Silencer]

After seeing how those black women were acting at that show, it's hard for me to take black women yelling "Black girls deserve better!" or "No one values black women!" seriously.

Black women don't deserve to all be put in a box anymore than black men do.

 

[woodchuck]

Perhaps it wasn't the same women?

When I said "those" black women, I meant the ones in the audience. You can't help but look side eyed at the whole outrage, when there are a lot of women that feel the same way those women did. Also, these stories have been public knowledge for years, but now they feel "black women aren't valued" when this doc drops?

 

[respiration]

There is another option: to not give a shit at all.
This shit is old.
The only reason it is coming up is because of the metoo witch hunts and the fact that it is a distraction from the Trump treason.
Honestly, not everything is worthy of an even amount of attention.

Yes, certainly that is another option.

Dude is grimy. Period.

You and I might disagree on this. From where I sit, he's getting attention he has long deserved.

It never should have been old. We as a community should have dealt with it long before now.

 

[woodchuck]

Black women don't deserve to all be put in a box anymore than black men do.

Again, that's why I said "those" women, meaning the ones that were screaming for him.

 

[playahaitian]

When I talked about the ways people seem to look at R. Kelly I wasn't making a comparison to Weinstein. That said:

I haven't seen much - if at all- in the media or social media in the way of people being 100% behind Harvey Weinstein. The industry pretty much took a huge (well deserved) shit on the dude soon after his multiple allegations got legs in the mass media. Very soon after, he stepped down from his position, folks distanced themselves from him and his former company went bankrupt.

Both R. Kelly and Weinstein pretty much coasted along for a number of years without significant damage to either of their careers. Now both of their careers are all but over.

pardon... I shouldn't have done it like that but you got my point

mute or cancel in ANY form of entertainment is hard as hell to be taken SERIOUSLY

I kinda agree... Weinstein AND Kelly coasted...

but I think THIS is where I can see the RACIAL element

IF R. Kelly TARGETED the CHILDREN of FAMOUS artists?

(even though apparently many WHITE Hollywood predators apparently DID do just that)

I imagine he would have been DEALT with QUICKLY.

Weinstein targeted ADULT women... and the whole casting couch power dynamic gets mixed in.

Which muddies the waters.

Cause you got FELLOW ACTRESS CONDEMNING the "victims"

saying well Harvey TRIED that sh*t with me and I shut him down and I STILL got the PART!

now what n the hell do we do with that?

We don't wanna victim shame

but we CANNOT be out here absolving ADULT MEN and WOMEN from responsibility in SOME of these cases and NOT others

again I HATE ranking abuses...cause no matter what? That is EXACTLY what you end up doing in these debates.

But to YOUR point

Weinstein coasted EVEN MORE to mw...

because his "victims" were millionaire internationally famous FEMALE figures who REMAINED silent contributing to his continued abuse.

I feel like THAT is worse

Cause #metoo would NOT have become a societal phenomenon if NOT for millionaire internationally famous FEMALE figures coming out and exposing him!!!!

 

[respiration]

When I said "those" black women, I meant the ones in the audience. You can't help but look side eyed at the whole outrage, when there are a lot of women that feel the same way those women did. Also, these stories have been public knowledge for years, but now they feel "black women aren't valued" when this doc drops?

What I'm saying is, I look at it kinda like the Black Lives Matter movement. Just because you got a few coons saying, "what about black on black crime?" doesn't mean Black folks as a whole are hypocritical.

I'm sure that most of our Sistas who are vocally anti-R. Kelly aren't attending his concerts.

That documentary is the most high profile expose of him to date. It's no surprise that it's getting the reaction that it is. Is that a bad thing? Shouldn't his feet be held to the fire? I agree it should have been before now. But a good number of his fans and his industry contemporaries continued to support him even when everyone knew he peed in an underage girl's face. The real question is why did so many Black folks take this long to hold him accountable?