Did the chick falling down the stairs at the club when the shots went off scream "My titty"?
HBO: Insecure -- Season 5 Official Discussion Thread (Final Season)
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That’s exactly how I feel.
Lawrence was a fully formed Character... and it was unique to get a black mans perspective when it comes to regaining trust in women when you are the one cheated on.
That’s something that black shows... never fucking give us. I would have liked to see Insecure kind of Split between Issa and Lawrence. Taking away Lawrence turns the show into nothing but Girlfriends with cussing and nudity.
Damn I absolutely love the song at the end of this episode
It’s only on the soundtrack. Anna wise dropped two dope singles. As always tried to put the board on to her years ago.. and both her EPs in the music section got almost no play.
Yeah she did and I
The first episode when dude was getting beat in the back of the car.
He screamed, "My Eyes"! I lost it!
Exactly, as I explained it to everybody who tried to say "Lawrence isn't the main character he's an ex so he shouldn't be in Issa life as much anymore". Him and Issa are fully formed characters and their life's are at the top hierarchy and all the friends and dating partners they have spawn off from those two trees. You don't waste fully developed characters like that on a 30 minute show cause you had to take a lot of time to develop them.
I feel the show missed a critical opportunity to explore his entire battle with dating as a black man and regaining trust in women, etc. Plus without him there you lose his two homeboys which were comedy material themselves.
Imo it needs to be formed as the Issa and Lawrence show not as just the Issa show. Hopefully they realize this and fix everything for season 4. Hell the few episodes we got when Lawrence wasn't around Issa at all were some of the most talked about and popular scenes.
They have an opportunity to really capture an even stronger male audience percentage, but the show can't turn into Girlfriends 2.0 or guys will start checking out if we're not represented enough in the storyline.
I agree, but it's Issa s show and she said fuck all of that shit. I suspect that's the exact result that she didn't want, a competing male character who is as much of the show as her. It would have been so much better if they continued to develop him and possibly them.
Minus the attractive females.
Show is already losing me
This is like 100 percent factually....
This is a huge missed opportunity. To be on the real... focusing on Issa seems like we are rewarding a cheater....
And it’s hard to have any feelings towards DANIEL when he is the guy we should be disliking.
Lawrence was that guy that most of us feel that we are.... That good guy that hit a rough patch. Watching him getting back on his feet was the best part of the show. Because it was a silent middle finger to Issa for cheating on me when I needed u, but your cheating allowed me to get my shit together.
It’s something that we “the good black men” never fucking see on tv. We aren’t represented at all.
wait...what? you’re going too far imo there are lots of great shows that have flawed protagonists...ppl aren’t perfect
Why the dudes coming across as hella weak and bitch made?
Even as a card carrying member of #LawrenceHive, I have to admit, some of these complaints are a bit much. People are acting like Jay Ellis was in the writers room banging out scripts and mapping out his character arc for each season. If the same writing team was able to create such a relatable male character, what makes you think they can't do it again? There are plenty of good black male characters that pass through the show, it's just that Issa and Molly sabotage the relationships because they're I-N-S-E-C-- you get where I'm going...
I know some dudes would only be happy if Cocaine Lorraine and Amber Rose played Molly and Issa, but Yvonne and Issa are not ugly women. Y'all really think they're less attractive than the women of Broad City, Girls, or Sex in the City? The cast is on par with almost any black sitcom I can think of. The women look just as good, in some cases better, than the white women you see in sitcoms who are asked to be more than the hot wife or girlfriend.
I know some dudes would only be happy if Cocaine Lorraine and Amber Rose played Molly and Issa, but Yvonne and Issa are not ugly women. Y'all really think they're less attractive than the women of Broad City, Girls, or Sex in the City? The cast is on par with almost any black sitcom I can think of. The women look just as good, in some cases better, than the white women you see in sitcoms who are asked to be more than the hot wife or girlfriend.
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they’re insects!! holy shit! always thought molly’s eyes were too big
Two episodes in, and I'm already starting to tune out. Kicking Lawrence was a big mistake, some of the shit he was involved with were some of the funniest scenes. Should of kept him, and let him stay in that old apartment, so they could of kept the character that was a Blood gang member too. Show was well rounded for even men to enjoy, and now it's just becoming another chick flick.
Good show...
Supposedly Lawrence isn't signed onto this show and as yall said, the show really misses him. Having an honest male perspective was a highlight of the show. That said, they are touching on some realistic male situations. For instance, when Daniel was at the club and his ego/pride kept him from really engaging with the other guys initially. It looked silly from the outside but im sure we all can feel him not wanting to seem like a dick rider and staying at a distance out of pride.Issa successfully adding the female perspective and encouraging him to get over his pride and network demonstrates the essence of a good relationship.Daniel is in a situation where he has a fly chick but Issa is really providing value in supporting him for his goals. Another aspect that is easily missed is that Daniel is pretty much where Lawrence was in that he is unhappy and complaining but now Issa is supportive where as when we saw her with Lawrence in that situation she was talkin shit to her homegirl and fuckin Daniel.
Another real situation is Issa's workplace. Her boss is just disconnected from seeing everyone's perspective because she is just focused on her own "But it is my hand!". She also enjoys being in a place of superiority in helping others. Rather than empowering others to not need her. This is exactly how my observations have been of very liberal white folks. They enjoy doing humanitarian efforts and helping others but from a superior position. Sean Penn is an example. Helped in haiti but shitted on efforts of haitians helping themselves and thus empowering themselves and not needing him.
Supposedly Lawrence isn't signed onto this show and as yall said, the show really misses him. Having an honest male perspective was a highlight of the show. That said, they are touching on some realistic male situations. For instance, when Daniel was at the club and his ego/pride kept him from really engaging with the other guys initially. It looked silly from the outside but im sure we all can feel him not wanting to seem like a dick rider and staying at a distance out of pride.Issa successfully adding the female perspective and encouraging him to get over his pride and network demonstrates the essence of a good relationship.Daniel is in a situation where he has a fly chick but Issa is really providing value in supporting him for his goals. Another aspect that is easily missed is that Daniel is pretty much where Lawrence was in that he is unhappy and complaining but now Issa is supportive where as when we saw her with Lawrence in that situation she was talkin shit to her homegirl and fuckin Daniel.
Another real situation is Issa's workplace. Her boss is just disconnected from seeing everyone's perspective because she is just focused on her own "But it is my hand!". She also enjoys being in a place of superiority in helping others. Rather than empowering others to not need her. This is exactly how my observations have been of very liberal white folks. They enjoy doing humanitarian efforts and helping others but from a superior position. Sean Penn is an example. Helped in haiti but shitted on efforts of haitians helping themselves and thus empowering themselves and not needing him.
well stated...this is my biggest gripe w/ majority white teachers (even the ones w/ “good intentions”) in predominantly black schools
I don't see it that way. She went from being in a relationship with a faithful dude in an apt shopping for new couches to sleeping on a couch listening to a dude fuck other women all night. She has been struggling since Laurence.
I don't see it as rewarding Issa actions, as more as punishing Lawrence(the actor as well) for what she has done.
And I do agree not having him on the show makes it one dimensional.
It's "insecure" right?
Issa represents the women with her insecurities.
And Lawrence now has earned his insecurities when it comes to trusting women.
All we got is Daniel being an insecure music producer. (Un earned and cliche)
That's what I'm talking about.
Don't be all demanding. Don't be all crazy. Don't create hella issues. Don't be awkward. Just do little shit get in where you fit in.
Kelly woke her up. Yall not fucking you not paying anything you not contributing to the house in any way and he still letting you stay there you lucky.
She cleaned up one day, and acted like a friend finally and she can stay there and get herself on her feet. Shit was simple to do don't take it for granted just be present and be decent.
Daniel clearly is a good dude otherwise there's no way she'd be there in the first place.
You don't have to pay with anything other than being a decent human being.
Good for Issa.
Daniel, yea it's life. The shit is frustrating especially if you KNOW ... just frustrating.
And the white savior complex in helping the black community in full effect this season lol.
Don't be all demanding. Don't be all crazy. Don't create hella issues. Don't be awkward. Just do little shit get in where you fit in.
Kelly woke her up. Yall not fucking you not paying anything you not contributing to the house in any way and he still letting you stay there you lucky.
She cleaned up one day, and acted like a friend finally and she can stay there and get herself on her feet. Shit was simple to do don't take it for granted just be present and be decent.
Daniel clearly is a good dude otherwise there's no way she'd be there in the first place.
You don't have to pay with anything other than being a decent human being.
Good for Issa.
Daniel, yea it's life. The shit is frustrating especially if you KNOW ... just frustrating.
And the white savior complex in helping the black community in full effect this season lol.
NAH
it's about investing time in a character with no closure. that's all.
Lawrence didn't die he's in L.A. lol We're interested in what he's doing. He didn't have to be integral at the same time Issa is not about that she feels like it should no longer be about them since there's no them and just about her and that's her right to do so.
as far as the women on the show i dont watch it for the women to look at I watch it to see great acting and compelling story lines and they deliver.
she can be @ times...she looks good on the show but in interviews I’ve seen she didn’t look as attractive...issa on the other hand is the reverse for me...she oozes no sexuality on the show (which is probably part of her being in character)...but she’s sexy as hell off the show when she’s not in character mode
point taken
Lawrence went from bumming on the couch to ending up with his own place, a good job in the Tech sector, smashing Tasha, hooking up with Aparna, even had a threesome from a random encounter, and was eventually able to resolve things with Issa. He's in a better place emotionally and financially than most of the characters on the show. Good for the character but bad for storytelling. And while he's probably having some hilarious adventures with Chad in L.A., the writers would have to keep coming up with dumb contrivances to keep tying him to Issa and her friends. They're obviously headed in different directions.
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