Hell fucking yeah this the season of Gus
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Yes. Gonna rewatch the season 3 finale beforehand and read over some recap articles for the season on the whole. Gonna do the same for Ozark's 1st season in late-Aug ahead of their 2nd season.
Some indexes of interviews for both series ...
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Better+Call+Saul+cast+interview
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Breaking+Bad+cast+interview
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Better+Call+Saul+cast+interview
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Breaking+Bad+cast+interview
Just watched Season 4 Premiere. All can say after watching the final scene in this episode is "Wow just Wow."
That's why I miss this show when its gone.
That's why I miss this show when its gone.
So Jimmy Killed Chuck finally
still such a wonderful guy I'm sure the capes will be flapping in the wind.
Everything else is on par just have to give it a couple of episodes and things start really taking form.
still such a wonderful guy I'm sure the capes will be flapping in the wind.
Everything else is on par just have to give it a couple of episodes and things start really taking form.
Look I don’t like cac bitches but shit Kim a down ass bitch
Fuck Chuck, fuck his boys feelings lol
Fuck Salamanca and his whole crew
Fuckin Gus just tooooo damn smart
Kim is down with Jimmy
But also you saw her face when he was indifferent to what he did and let ol boy hold the cross for what he did
Wait, you do know what he was really talking about right!
What's really funny, if you ever live in LA,
Sniper, hey Dreamer! LMBAO!!The way they punked him out the gun.
Shane
Rip bro you in heaven
I was late to the show, ms sneed, I and her cuz hit the pool tables. Nigga thought he could school me.
I beat him and he still paid me a stack just for beatin him lol
Said it’s lesson learned
First ever pool bird
I used to be really really good at pool haven't played in a long time tho
Jimmy didn't kill shit. Either did Howard. Hell, he cashed him out with enough to live good the rest of his life. Enough to open up a competing law firm if he wanted.
Chuck thought that his money, nice house, and professional resume was enough to make him eternally happy. When that didn't work he took the action that many middle aged CACs take in that situation.
What's very telling in that the song played at Chuck's funeral was Sicilliene, the same song he tried, and failed, to play on the piano in S02E02. IMO it's a metaphor for a brilliant man tortured by the his inability to be good at everything.
Blindspotting at its finest.
The director, writer and actors deliver a complete gotcha moment of a character transitioning and you refuse to see it.
The transition was obvious. Earlier in the show Jimmy would have hung his head and confessed to Howard that he tipped off the insurance agency. This time he was wise enough not to.
Put it like this. Suppose somebody saw your adult son using heroin and called the police. You pick him up from jail and tell him he can no longer live in your house. A week later he dies of an intentional overdose.
Whose fault would it be? Would it be the fault of the person who called the police? Would it matter who they were or what their motivation for calling was? would it be your fault for kicking him out when you realize how destructive his lifestyle could be?
No! the only person you can really blame for suicide is the asshole who killed themselves.
Nah.
Put it like this.
Chuck was fine and doing good with electronics on and everything
and then Jimmy called in the insurance shit which directly made ol boy push him out which directly ended his ability to professionally do the only thing he was good at it made his life meaningless....and he died.
Noticing a THEME HERE???
I seem to recall Jimmy's father meeting a similar fate.
Howard never stopped Chuck from practicing law. He just stopped him from doing it at HHM. The trial made it clear that Chuck was suffering from a severe mental illness that already caused him to lose control of important legal documents. The insurance company's actions just confirmed Howard's decision.
in the end, the only real way which Jimmy contributed to Chuck's death was by not admitting him to the psychiatric ward when he went to the hospital in season one. That's a far cry from killing him.
we got different recollections
Jimmy went to Chuck's house to apologize, would've done things different and he still loves Chuck
Chuck basically said i aint never give a fuck about you Jimmy and good riddance
watch this video & the thoughts of the actors who played Chuck/Jimmy
Chuck killed himself cause he was broken...he lost his wife, his profession, his mind, the respect of his peers and his brother.
Jimmy played a hand in some of his loses but Chuck did most of the heavy lifting and pushed away the only person who loved him unconditionally.
he realized that and decided to exit stage left
You can't go off of your own caping fam
The show laid out the facts.
After the trial Chuck was doing good. He beat his Illness and working very well.
And then snitched on him to the insurance company
Why gloss over why the insurance company acted in the first place ????
Why gloss over Jimmy's call to get him ousted?
Why gloss over it like it's no big deal he was being removed from the place he built with his name on the wall???
You have to jump and hurdle like oj in the airport to pass the blame to somewhere else and it's comical at this point
We always talking about let's just wait to see what the writers have in mind then when they show you suddenly nah that ain't it
They literally foreshadowed Chuck's death in the revelation of how and the circumstances that Jimmy's father died
And that's not a debate.
That's what was written and shown on the show.
Cool
It's funny as shit how in one instance everything Jimmy does is because of Chuck's fault and in the next instance Jimmy does nothing lol.
Like Danny just talked about mishandling of court documents like it wasn't jimmy who set that ENTIRE SHIT UP
Chuck didn't mishandle the documents Jimmy CHANGED them and then acted like he didn't lol.
AND I QUOTE
"The truth is that we had a disagreement and I pushed him out I made him go."
Kim says, Chuck was sick for years
he interrupts her to say "The bar hearing had nothing to do with it. The fact is he started getting better after that. He took more of an interest in the firm, he came to work, we could leave the lights on. He was improving until the thing with the insurance so it wasn't the bar hearing. "
Jimmy says "What about the insurance?"
he responds "Our malpractice insurance they found out about his condition and raised our rates"
Interesting as fuck.
How did they find out about his condition again?
no means am I giving jimmy a pass...as i mentioned Jimmy played a hand in some of Chuck's loses
but i honestly beliveve that most of all chuck's issues began with Chuck (his ego and his inability to accept that fact that Jimmy could change/be a competent lawyer)
every attempt Jimmy made to make his brother proud, chuck would undercut & undermine
Jimmy was the one that took care of Chuck - Chuck never appreciated him
Jimmy worked his ass off and went to school to become a lawyer, got the nickname Charlie Hustle - Chuck told Howard not to hire him
Jimmy meets Chuck's wife and makes a good impression with her - Chuck shits on him before dinner and after he leaves
on her death bed their mom calls for Jimmy and dies - jimmy asks if she had last words, chuck lies and says no
Kim got the account on her own - Chuck got it back outta spite to hurt Jimmy
Jimmy used chicanery to make chuck look like a fool and get the client back - Chuck used the same type chicanery to setup Jimmy to get him disbarred which eventually lead to chuck's death
for everything jimmy did wrong to Chuck, Chuck did something just as bad to his brother
the main difference being that Jimmy truly loved chuck and wanted to make him proud
are there any examples of Chuck showing that love for Jimmy.
look at their last scene togther...Jimmy goes to repair the relationship and Chuck basically says fuck you
shit i wouldnt be surpised if chuck killed himself to spite Jimmy in the end
My thing is that they're both to blame. If Chuck's issues stem from his own then Jimmy's has to stem from his own too correct?
Chucks' unwillingness to accept that Jimmy could change meant Jimmy was something else that wasn't Chuck's doing in the first place correct?
Chuck was a bastard. We not gonna act like he didn't have a reason to feel some kind of way and this ain't even about childhood shit. The 1st episode of this shit Jimmy is in Jail and Chuck bails him out. So we not even talking about the past.
Are you going to run down the tit for tat shit that Jimmy did in lockstep with everything that Chuck did? That's been my entire "argument" which isn't even an argument honestly it's just what happened lol.
Chuck loved Jimmy too. Who the fuck bailed Jimmy out all of those years? If he ain't love him he wouldn't have period. You can say "well it was this or that or this or that" NAH it was because he loved him. Chuck wanted to show Jimmy TOUGH LOVE because he never got actual parenting from his parents.
Chuck in doing so was a bastard he ain't know how to properly do it and he undermined Jimmy and in a fuck shit way tried to save Jimmy from himself it was fuck shit no doubt about it the thing is and main difference is that Jimmy ain't fucking innocent. To say he loved his brother and wanted to make his brother proud while doing the shit that his brother didn't want him to do in the first place (cut all of the corners and do the sketchy shit that Jimmy was doing unknown to Chuck) is just not how things went... not from opinion but from what they actually showed us.
This last part is exactly what I'm talking about right here lol.
Despite all of the evidence showing what directly correlated and caused his death. Somehow it could possibly be Chuck killing himself to spite jimmy lol
Like
The guy said Chuck was improving AFTER THE HEARING
the hearing had nothing to do with it.
What fucked everything up was the insurance company found out about his condition
How did they find out?
The theory about he had lost this and that
NO
he was FINE
he was improving after the hearing and beating his illness. He was FINE it had nothing to do with it.
So when we talk about Chucks' death let's start after that fact. and then see what we come up with.
we can do this forever
we just have very different perpectives
I am Pro Jimmy & I am assuming you are more anti-Jimmy (not necessarily pro Chuck but pro Chuck to a degree by default)
with that said nothing on this show is completely black & white and will be colored by our perspectives
for instance you mentioned that The guy said Chuck was improving AFTER THE HEARING and fell off the wagon once Jimmy got left
from my perceptive it felt like Chuck was putting up a front, acting like everything was straight and he didnt need Jimmy. Once Jimmy left he literally destroyed the house.
Did he fall off the wagon because of Jimmy's visit or did he hit rock bottom once he burned that relationship with Jimmy?
we just have very different perpectives
I am Pro Jimmy & I am assuming you are more anti-Jimmy (not necessarily pro Chuck but pro Chuck to a degree by default)
with that said nothing on this show is completely black & white and will be colored by our perspectives
for instance you mentioned that The guy said Chuck was improving AFTER THE HEARING and fell off the wagon once Jimmy got left
from my perceptive it felt like Chuck was putting up a front, acting like everything was straight and he didnt need Jimmy. Once Jimmy left he literally destroyed the house.
Did he fall off the wagon because of Jimmy's visit or did he hit rock bottom once he burned that relationship with Jimmy?
I wasn’t sure...
But was Jimmy lying about his social security number when he was at the hospital after he passed out at Cinnabon?
But was Jimmy lying about his social security number when he was at the hospital after he passed out at Cinnabon?
You're right. We shouldn't gloss over why the insurance company decided to dramatically raise the rates on what was probably their biggest client in the Southwest. They did it because one of the partners was batshit crazy and mishandling important legal documents.
That Mesa Verde paperwork was worth millions, but HHM decides to store it in a two story bungalow with no security system and lanterns that could set it all on fire the moment somebody knocks one over. All because their star lawyer believes that he's allergic to electricity. Would you want to insure this kind of company?
Lets also look at the extreme coddling HHM gave Chuck. Paying him a salary when he wasn't doing any work, sending expensive paralegals to the house to cater to his every whim, hiring a private investigator for over a week to follow up on a crazy personal revenge plot. When the insurance company confronts him does he explain that the trial made him realize it's time to get help? Does he encourage them to talk to his doctor about his progress? Does he offer to take a leave of absence until it can be confirmed that his illness is behind him? NO! He threatens to sue which would have cost HHM even more resources to handle yet another ego driven personal vendetta. Would you keep a person like that on staff?
All the writers showed was that Howard still had a lot of misplaced guilt over Chuck's death and Jimmy didn't. It doesn't mean that either man caused anything. If Jimmy hadn't told the insurance company they would have figured it out eventually. Probably after a client sued HHM for legal malpractice.
Yes.
He's from the Illinois, but the number pegged him to the Pacific Northwest. Unless it come out later that he was adopted or his mom gave birth while on vacation then it's a fake number.
Considering how much heat he has on him, I'm surprised Jimmy didn't leave the country
At the beginning of each season, we see Jimmy's latest persona (Cinnabon manager Gene) struggling with his new life following his time on Breaking Bad, and Odenkirk asked whether hearing news of Walter's death would make Gene think that he could "come out of hiding".
So does that mean the Gene scenes are actually taking place before the end of the events in Breaking Bad?
"Do we even know in our Omaha sequences, our Gene sequences… I mean, has [Walter's death] happened yet?" Gilligan said.
"We haven't defined that," Gould added. "We haven't said how long Gene has been in Omaha."
Gould then added: "It's an open question. It's one that will have to be answered at some point – like a lot of these things."
So if these scenes do in fact take place within the Breaking Bad timeline, it would mean that Walter could still be alive and in hiding himself in New Hampshire – and there's scope for 'Gene' to meet up with him still.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/better...walter-white-better-call-saul-appearance-how/
So does that mean the Gene scenes are actually taking place before the end of the events in Breaking Bad?
"Do we even know in our Omaha sequences, our Gene sequences… I mean, has [Walter's death] happened yet?" Gilligan said.
"We haven't defined that," Gould added. "We haven't said how long Gene has been in Omaha."
Gould then added: "It's an open question. It's one that will have to be answered at some point – like a lot of these things."
So if these scenes do in fact take place within the Breaking Bad timeline, it would mean that Walter could still be alive and in hiding himself in New Hampshire – and there's scope for 'Gene' to meet up with him still.
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/better...walter-white-better-call-saul-appearance-how/
Jimmy up to his shit again lol
The twins
, speak to him nigga
Man pops wants his boy back his truck clean af tho
I know Kim will leave jimmy but damn I wanna know wha caused it. Stupid ass jimmy
Who the fuck is the consultant on these kill moves? I’ve seen that move used before in gitmo
The twins
, speak to him nigga Man pops wants his boy back
his truck clean af thoI know Kim will leave jimmy but damn I wanna know wha caused it. Stupid ass jimmy
Who the fuck is the consultant on these kill moves? I’ve seen that move used before in gitmo
Damn. Kim went in on Howard.
What happened to all that money from Chuck’s portion of the company being bought out?
What happened to all that money from Chuck’s portion of the company being bought out?
That's why she was talking about the 5g. Chuck gave Jimmy that to keep him from contesting the will. That loser gave everything to everyone else and set up a scholarship fund with the rest. All a slap in the face to the dude that loved and cared for you.
That is only if you believe that he actually had improved. Chuck has a history of doing extreme shit to manipulate people. The video attached says that chuck was faking being well at work and faking being well in his house at the last conversation that he had with Jimmy. He has a history of this. That is how shifty of a person he was.
Jimmy didn't make it so he couldn't practice law. He just was out of the firm. With enough money to start his own firm. He was a smart dude who already did the shit once. The insurance shit isn't a reasonable excuse for chuck to kill himself. This is on 100% on chuck and his mental illness.
Jimmy is a piece of shit, no doubt. Just not responsible for chucks suicide.
If you get a woman with Kim’s emotional intelligence... wife her !
I thought she was gonna punch Howard too. She’s ride or die
I thought she was gonna punch Howard too. She’s ride or die
So I gotta wonder what was Gus Fring's plan before Nacho did what he did. Was he just gonna wait to take over Hector's business bit by bit. Whats a better outcome for someone you want to suffer than living in a semi veg state attached to wheelchair. I didn't expect him to thank Nacho, but he's acting like his dog died over Hector being out of the picture.
Oh well that particular weak spot eventually got him killed.
Oh well that particular weak spot eventually got him killed.
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