The Difference Between Michael Jordan and LeBron James.

Kukoc, Pete myers, Kerr, luc longely were added to the team the following yr.. These guys were not on the first 3 peat team..so let's stop acting like there were no additions after he left

Regardless, he played on more talented teams for a longer period of time. Even though Kukoc came the following year, MJ still had Horace Grant at pf before his first retirement and came back to an even better team.

LeBron has never really had that luxury. The Heat were good, but they were top heavy. MJ always had better deeper teams.
 
Horry was never a finals MVP or even considered 1 , Russell was pippen 6 times out of his 11 chips ..he got 5 finals MVP out of 11 times... Talking about the diff between Jordan and lebron and not sidekicks and role players of chips..when I'm talking about sidekicks and role players than you can bring in horry, Derek fisher, Horace Grant and the other squad of I was there watching the MVPs play

Completely false.

The award didnt exist when Russell was winning his rings.

In fact the award is named in his honor.
 
It doesn’t pay to be black and great. You’ll always have dumb ass niggas tearing you down. Instead of enjoying someone’s skills, fucking blacks would rather find reasons to shit on them.

Ask Kobe, Lebron, Tyson, Floyd, Obama’s, etc. you niggas fucking sicken me

The white man is a genius. He doesn’t need to chop us down. He knows that whenever we get someone great, we will do all the work to tarnish him. Fuckig genius

More like choosing sides rather than tearing down. Everyone is either a fan or a critic these days with a voice and a platform via social media and traditional media outlets.

And I know that you know....all races, genders and nationalities do the same thing.
 
So I guess you can't talk about anything b4 the great depression cause you wasn't there..even if you have facts, footage, stats, and info it doesn't matter cause you wasn't there..right ? Is that the logic you going on today?

How many people on this board saw Russell, wilt, reem play their full career? Very few..but I bet if they all said lebron was better u'd agreed cause its pro lebron

Nig got you having hissy fits cause you can't defend him properly

Whenever queen t say wilt better than Jordan I'm gonna use your logic was u there queen? Bron made major go full senile
You wasnt there my nigga. Stand down. You sounding foolish. You're better than this.

Also.....

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Regardless, he played on more talented teams for a longer period of time. Even though Kukoc came the following year, MJ still had Horace Grant at pf before his first retirement and came back to an even better team.

LeBron has never really had that luxury. The Heat were good, but they were top heavy. MJ always had better deeper teams.
Horace grant never ever average 15 points or more during the first 3 chips and pippen only average 20 points once during their first 3 chips... So wade and bosh for 4 yrs were easily averaging more than pippen and grant any yr..that also goes for love and kyrie both average more than pippen and grant.. As far as the heat ray Allen was better than anybody not name pippen..so heat had wade, bosh, ray..bulls had pippen/grant
 
More like choosing sides rather than tearing down. Everyone is either a fan or a critic these days with a voice and a platform via social media and traditional media outlets.

And I know that you know....all races, genders and nationalities do the same thing.
Bullshit. Not one chink puts down Yao Ming to support jermey Lin. No Mexican fighter roots against their own. Same goes for every other race. You go to a boxing match Floyd vs some spic and every spic on earth is there waving the flag. Meanwhile, 50% of blacks are rooting against Floyd.

You see this all the time. Lebron is absolutely great but niggas want to hold on to anything to lessen his greatness. Niggas be crabs in a barrel. It’s fucking pathetic
 
Horace grant never ever average 15 points or more during the first 3 chips and pippen only average 20 points once during their first 3 chips... So wade and bosh for 4 yrs were easily averaging more than pippen and grant any yr..that also goes for love and kyrie both average more than pippen and grant.. As far as the heat ray Allen was better than anybody not name pippen..so heat had wade, bosh, ray..bulls had pippen/grant

Horace Grant never averaged more than 15 pts during that run because he didn't have to. He was still a top 10 pf in the league....and please don't throw old ass sixth man Ray Allen into the conversation like LeBron had Milwaukee Buck Ray Allen. He was decent, but he hadn't been that guy in years. Once again, you're comparing Lebron's top heavy teams with limited cap space to bring in decent role players to Bulls teams that never had that issue. Michael never had to carry a team like LeBron has. I'm not saying Bron is better or worse because it's all subjective, but lets not act like Jordan didn't have better teams consistently throughout his career.

I could also speak to the fact that Dwade wasn't the same player during Lebron's heat tenure either. He's been a shell of his 2006 self for about 6 or 7 years.
 
So is lebron better than wilt and Kareem
Listen here lil nigga... This is what i can tell you unequivocally.... Lebron James is at the very worst, the 2nd best player you've seen dribble a basketball in your entire fucking life. Now miss me with the stories your drunk ass pop pop told you about Kareem and Wilt.. Im talking about YOU nigga. Hes best or 2nd best you've ever seen. Period.
 
Man. Yall nitpicking this bullshit? Was this from a couple of years ago? Lebron probably said this shit because lil Curry got the 1st unanimous MVP voting (which was bullshit).

This was when Kyrie and Love were out. Man.. Lebron was probably just trying to let his remaining role players know that they still had a shot because although they were shorthanded, they still had him so don't give up.

That's just confidence. That's some shit Tiger Woods would have said in his prime.
 
The whole Jordan vs LeBron shit is silly, but I will add this....when MJ retired in 93 the bulls still went 55-27. That's not to take anything away from MJ. It just enforces the fact that he played on a talented team. That's lost on some of you who just sit around comparing championships.

Naw... it reinforces that MJ played for a better owner who had one GM who understood how to maximum the most out of MJ talents by surrounding him with a coach and system that allowed the other players to thrive without MJ...

The Bulls fell apart after the second retirement when they finally blew up the team and system...

LeBorn James thrives in spite of Dan Gilbert poor ownership decisions... 4 coaches and 4 General Managers in his 11 seasons in Cleveland...
 
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LeBron has never really had that luxury. The Heat were good, but they were top heavy. MJ always had better deeper teams.

The Miami Heat over the 1st 3 years were a great, complete team. Wade breaking down killed them in year 4 though. He crawled through the end of the season + playoffs because of injuries. He was crying about the lack of shots and shit in the Chicago series (after wins).
 
10 scoring titles to 1

3 steal titles to zero

1 dpoy to zero

5 MVPs to 4

6 chips to 3

6 finals MVP to 3

This has a large part of it to go along with the All Defensive Teams, being a better closer, dominating an era of more physical play, leaving/returning to dominate, consistency, scoring 50 at 40, etc... and he did it in a much shorter time period while playing on the same the team and only 1 other all star with the Bulls. He only played with an all star at Chicago 6 of those 12 seasons, Pippen was not an all star every season, Rodman was not an all star as a Bull (old).

It is not fair to compare Jordan to Lebron, because they are completely 2 different types of players. MJ was a more aggressive scorer and defender, Lebron is more of a facilitator and freak athlete, size wise. Jordan was a smaller player, in a more physical, big man dominated league, so he had to bring more to the table in his offensive arsenal in order to dominate. Lebron is in a league with taller and better athletes, less physical contact allowed, and more perimeter oriented big men, so athleticism is much more crucial these days.

Jordan is on another level skill wise, you can easily see that in the complexity of his moves and offensive arsenal. He was more of an entertainer, flashy, more acrobatic, not "just" playing basketball. Jordan was scoring with the left and right hand, making people slip and fall, shaking cats draws off, bob and weaving through traffic, changing direction mid air, one hand ball fakes, finger rolls, dunking in traffic, and ones, fade away jumpers, baseline moves, pull up shots from all over, double pumps and reverses mid air, quick ups and hangtime, etc... He dominated scoring for a whole decade, and was on the All Defensive Team for 9 times. He was a above average passer and decent rebounder, and probably the best post player under 6'7 ever. That shit just can't be outdone, he did it all in only 12 seasons with the Bulls. He is nominated the GOAT by the vast majority of current and former players, teammates, coaches, owners, and media. His killer instinct in unmatched.

Lebron is like the "Bo Jackson" of basketball, athleticism wise. He probably has the best size, speed, jumping ability, and strength combination of any player all time. Bird was a better rebounder, clutch and pure outside shooter, and as good a passer, but Lebron's athleticism, better defense, point guard skills, attacking ability, and versatility makes him the greatest small forward of all time, and best overall player of this era. He has a high basketball IQ for for a player who has not really been coached up. Most of his scoring arsenal is from speed, power, mid range game, 3's off the dribble, and hustle. He is a blue collar player, not really an acrobatic player or flashy player, focuses on production and efficiency. He is a good all around player, and a top notch team leader. He plays the game by the book, and 95 percent of the time, makes the right plays and decisions at the right time. His conditioning is second to none. At his current pace, he will be top 5 all time in most or all statistical categories if he plays at least 20 seasons, which would probably make him the most productive player of all time, longevity/stat wise.



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This has a large part of it to go along with the All Defensive Teams, being a better closer, dominating an era of more physical play, leaving/returning to dominate, consistency, scoring 50 at 40, etc... and he did it in a much shorter time period while playing on the same the team and only 1 other all star his whole career. He only played with an all star at Chicago 6 of those 12 seasons, Pippen was not an all star every season, Rodman was not an all star as a Bull (old).

It is not fair to compare Jordan to Lebron, because they are completely 2 different types of players. MJ was a more aggressive scorer and defender, Lebron is more of a facilitator and freak athlete, size wise. Jordan was a smaller player, in a more physical, big man dominated league, so he had to bring more to the table in his offensive arsenal in order to dominate. Lebron is in a league with taller and better athletes, less physical contact allowed, and more perimeter oriented big men, so athleticism is much more crucial these days.

Jordan is on another level skill wise, you can easily see that in the complexity of his moves and offensive arsenal. He was more of an entertainer, flashy, more acrobatic, not "just" playing basketball. Jordan was scoring with the left and right hand, making people slip and fall, shaking cats draws off, bob and weaving through traffic, changing direction mid air, one hand ball fakes, finger rolls, dunking in traffic, and ones, fade away jumpers, baseline moves, pull up shots from all over, double pumps and reverses mid air, quick ups and hangtime, etc... He dominated scoring for a whole decade, and was on the All Defensive Team for 9 times. He was a above average passer and decent rebounder, and probably the best post player under 6'7 ever. That shit just can't be outdone, he did it all in only 12 seasons with the Bulls. He is nominated the GOAT by the vast majority of current and former players, teammates, coaches, owners, and media. His killer instinct in unmatched.

Lebron is like the "Bo Jackson" of basketball, athleticism wise. He probably has the best size, speed, jumping ability, and strength combination of any player all time. Bird was a better rebounder, clutch and pure outside shooter, and as good a passer, but Lebron's athleticism, better defense, point guard skills, attacking ability, and versatility makes him the greatest small forward of all time, and best overall player of this era. He has a high basketball IQ for for a player who has not really been coached up. Most of his scoring arsenal is from speed, power, mid range game, 3's off the dribble, and hustle. He is a blue collar player, not really an acrobatic player or flashy player, focuses on production and efficiency. He is a good all around player, and a top notch team leader. He plays the game by the book, and 95 percent of the time, makes the right plays and decisions at the right time. His conditioning is second to none. At his current pace, he will be top 5 all time in most or all statistical categories if he plays at least 20 seasons, which would probably make him the most productive player of all time, longevity/stat wise.



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this was a good breakdown
 
The whole Jordan vs LeBron shit is silly, but I will add this....when MJ retired in 93 the bulls still went 55-27. That's not to take anything away from MJ. It just enforces the fact that he played on a talented team. That's lost on some of you who just sit around comparing championships.
It also shows his true value to the bulls during the regular season and proves he didnt deserve those mvp.

Because it is the most valuable* player not the best* player.

If your team just as good w/out you then you arent as valuable
 
Man I hope Cleveland wins. Too much pressure on Mr. James. But how can you call someone the goat who has been owned in the finals by MULTIPLE other hofrs? Just asking, not making a statement
Um where do i begin. Lets start with what we can agree with as opposed to what we agree with shall we?

Does your finals record determine how good of a basketball player you were? It is like people forget the regular season completely. If Jordan was as great as LeBron in the regular season to lead some of his teams to the finals guess what? Jordan would not be undefeated.

Secondly i keep hearing Jordan played is a tougher era? Really? Or do yall mean a more physical era?

Because physical era doesnt=better era.

Jordan didnt have to play in a era where every team had a 3 point specialist. That right there is tougher than playing in a era without. The era you see now had perfected fundamentals that the previus era hasnt. People were not pulling up from 30 feet with a ✋ in ya face all net.

Each era mastered different fundamentals.

These new guys are perfecting the euro step screens/zipper screens/pin down screens/

Where as in the 80's you had piss poor 3 point shooters to the point if they did call for a screen you could go under it because they could not shoot like they can today.

LeBron is playing in a era far more advanced then jordan
 
They won the championship the year before and won ONE series the next year. They weren't just as good.
Um we talkin about regular season*

Because MVP isnt awarded to how valuable you were in the post season*


It is how valuable you were in the regular* season. And jordan value showed when they did just as good.

Regular season is also a factor in the goat discussion. People like to factor in jordan regular season ppg and fg% but not his ability to win with a lottery bound team.
 
Bullshit. Not one chink puts down Yao Ming to support jermey Lin. No Mexican fighter roots against their own. Same goes for every other race. You go to a boxing match Floyd vs some spic and every spic on earth is there waving the flag. Meanwhile, 50% of blacks are rooting against Floyd.

You see this all the time. Lebron is absolutely great but niggas want to hold on to anything to lessen his greatness. Niggas be crabs in a barrel. It’s fucking pathetic

It is spirited barbershop debate. Brothers can be the most passionate when it comes to this.

If our entire race was rooting against LBJ then I would agree with you.
 
This is something jordan fans actually give credit to him for not winning more eastern conferencd championships. But will brag about his dpoy in min

The second best award in basketball is tbe coference title.
 
Um we talkin about regular season*
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You said the team was just as good. They weren't and that's obvious. They got bounced after winning one series against the fucking Cavs. The year before they coasted to a title. Average as teams win 50 games every fucking year. The fucking bum ass Raptors damn near won 60 this season and didnt even make the conference finals.
 
Naw... it reinforces that MJ played for a better owner who had one GM who understood how to maximum the most out of MJ talents by surrounding him with a coach and system that allowed the other players to thrive without MJ...

The Bulls fell apart after the second retirement when they finally blew up the team and system...

LeBorn James thrives in spite of Dan Gilbert poor ownership decisions... 4 coaches and 4 General Managers in his 11 seasons in Cleveland...
Stop it. Look at phil with the knicks
 
You said the team was just as good. They weren't and that's obvious. They got bounced after winning one series against the fucking Cavs. The year before they coasted to a title. Average as teams win 50 games every fucking year. The fucking bum ass Raptors damn near won 60 this season and didnt even make the conference finals.
Again. Regular season* they were just as good in the regular season
 
So Jordan team was avg without him:idea:

With him they 2 games better than avg:frozen:

But he gets MVP when his value in the regular season is very small. LeBron without the cavs they not making the d league playoffs:raincloud:
 
LeBron i believe play in a harder era to win championships considering teams now move and shuffle pieces. Jordan played in a era where you could spend your entire career with just one team. With the same teamate. Well gone are those days when you building a championship team then all of a sudden your teamate bounces on you and wants to play for a 73-9 win team. So i think it is harder to win now. Imagine if Scottie got offered a nice piece of change by the washington bullets and he would be key player. All of a sudden jordan doesnt 3 peat
 
Um where do i begin. Lets start with what we can agree with as opposed to what we agree with shall we?

Does your finals record determine how good of a basketball player you were? It is like people forget the regular season completely. If Jordan was as great as LeBron in the regular season to lead some of his teams to the finals guess what? Jordan would not be undefeated.

Secondly i keep hearing Jordan played is a tougher era? Really? Or do yall mean a more physical era?

Because physical era doesnt=better era.

Jordan didnt have to play in a era where every team had a 3 point specialist. That right there is tougher than playing in a era without. The era you see now had perfected fundamentals that the previus era hasnt. People were not pulling up from 30 feet with a ✋ in ya face all net.

Each era mastered different fundamentals.

These new guys are perfecting the euro step screens/zipper screens/pin down screens/

Where as in the 80's you had piss poor 3 point shooters to the point if they did call for a screen you could go under it because they could not shoot like they can today.

LeBron is playing in a era far more advanced then jordan
I actually meant the guys from Golden State hell San Antonio even...again I’m not against Lebron but I’m sure they have an argument about him being the “goat”
 
The whole Jordan vs LeBron shit is silly, but I will add this....when MJ retired in 93 the bulls still went 55-27. That's not to take anything away from MJ. It just enforces the fact that he played on a talented team. That's lost on some of you who just sit around comparing championships.
Great point. When Lebron left the heat they still made the play offs.
 
Great point. When Lebron left the heat they still made the play offs.
Um when jordan left the bulls they still made the playoffs. When jordan was injured a entire season they still made the playoffs. When jordan and pippen and phil left no they did not make the playoffs.

When lebron left clevland they was a division III JUNO college basketball team
 
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