I dont look at boxscores . I watch the games. Last nite was poorly officiated to your benefit. Its ok to admit that bills.
0fficial 2017-2018 NBA Postseason Thread....NBA Finals Cavs vs Warriors 0-4(dubs back 2 back champs)
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Its true. The fundamentals some are losing some are advancing. Look at the 2 basic fundamentals in basketball: shooting and dribbling. It has evolved so much.
Shooting has gotten better and thats fundamental. We criticize people modern day because they lack the fundamentals of the 50's or 60's or even the 90's. But Players learn and perfect the fundamentals that are best suited for there era.
Imagine steph curry coming around in the early 70's. He would not be who he is you know why? Cuz part of what makes him so great is his shooting/range. If steph curry shooting 30 jump shots in the 70's you know how many points it would be worth? Just 2.
Does that mean curry would be ass or avg? No, he would just have to perfect other fundamentals. Shit far as we know he might have been just an avg shooter because he would not have put in the practice and time to be such an elite 3 point shooter. But he would have found a nitch somewhere.
Meanwhile people like kyle korver who is just a role player and nothing more if he played in the 70's he probably would not make the nba because his value is shooting.
There are certain fundamentals that transcend any era of basketball.
I mean do you expect these kids to perfect the sky hook shot? That fundamental is way more important in the 60's than in the 2000's.
Some people play in the best era they could have played in.
Imagine Rondo playing in the 60's
Now also imagine lets say Jordan playing in the 70's. He would have been great regardless just like LeBron but i think Bron would have been better in the 70's
The 70s is the most physical era of basketball. Alot of cokeheads was roaming the floor back then. So many HOF big men, faaaaar more than the 80s and 90s that folks rave about. Wilt, Kareem, Unseld, Willis Reed, Dave Cowens, Bob Lanier, Thurmond, Big Elvin Hayes.
It's only OK to admit it if you can admit that prior games were poorly officiated to their benefit that's my only point.
If we say the officials did a wishy washy job during the series in a few games then I agree.
But we not gonna be like they ONLY did stuff in your favor in 1 game in the entire series when its not true
it's not about the box score but even in the box score you could clearly see that it was fuckery.
the problem has never been me admitting anything it's the rest of people admitting anything that didn't go right for the warriors. that's the problem.
Chuck feel like previous ownership (Les Alexander) still owe him money.
Kenny don't make it no better because he always rub it in and say how good an owner Alexander was.
Good series win btw... Now go sweep the Cavs
Kenny was rooting for you guys while trying to be unbiased I don't expect Kenny to not root for you guys though I was really fine with that but even he didn't take it like Shaq and Chuck did.
Nope we not gonna sweep anybody.
We're gonna go out there take it 1 game at a time and try to win 4 times nothing more nothing less.
I'm not gonna sit here and complain, say what coulda, shoulda, woulda.... But this Rockets team was essentially the same team that lost to GSW a few years ago or even last year...
James Harden and a bunch of nobodies. Chris Paul was the X Factor that was supposed to put us over the top and unfortunately he was hurt.
As for the officiating, I don't know the refs name but it's been all over Facebook on Rockets fan pages and, the Rockets haven't won a game this dude has officiated in like 2 years. Two of the four losses the Rockets had in this series (including game 7) were officiated by this particular ref.
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The referee's name is Scott Foster.
I've seen enough missed call compilations of this game 7 to make me sick. But it is what it is. You play the game, you make adjustments, you make buckets. We didn't do that and the better team won. I just hope we can keep our core together, add a few more pieces, and contend again next year.
James Harden and a bunch of nobodies. Chris Paul was the X Factor that was supposed to put us over the top and unfortunately he was hurt.
As for the officiating, I don't know the refs name but it's been all over Facebook on Rockets fan pages and, the Rockets haven't won a game this dude has officiated in like 2 years. Two of the four losses the Rockets had in this series (including game 7) were officiated by this particular ref.
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The referee's name is Scott Foster.
I've seen enough missed call compilations of this game 7 to make me sick. But it is what it is. You play the game, you make adjustments, you make buckets. We didn't do that and the better team won. I just hope we can keep our core together, add a few more pieces, and contend again next year.
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Iggy won the MVP because of the defensive job he did on Lebron
The defensive job of holding lebron to 50 points 20 rebounds and 17 assists a night
While putting in 16 points a game?
Sounds legit
Unfortunately I doComing from a sKnicks fan you most definitely know what an L looks like...
I think I'm leaning towards Lebron being the goat. Or I'll say the greatest I've ever seen play. You take any player off the warriors and they're still a fucking team of multiple all stars.. still a favorite to win the title. If you take Lebron off this current Cavs roster, they could legitimately be a lottery team..even in the East. Take your favorite player off their current squad and plug them in Lebron's place. Put Curry on there.. put Durant... or Harden. his playoff run has been epic.
That's funny considering Scott Foster calls more fouls against the warriors than anyone. including last night and it was by a wide margin too.
the refs missed calls on both sides
but can we acknowledge the missed calls that got you a lead in the series in the first place or nah?
I have no problem attacking the refs from both sides I have a problem when it's only the refs help that helps the warriors win.
when it's just not true. and most times its in the reverse.
were the refs consistently inconsistent this series can we agree with that?
When they put Iggy in the starting lineup specifically to guard Lebron James he is credited as the reason that series turned around. What other reason could you think of that would’ve gotten Iggy the MVP?
That's not why the series turned around though. The series turned around by inserting Iggy into the starting lineup because Bogut was getting abused by Thompson and Mosgov he wasn't as fast or athletic as them and they beat him up and down the court.
The series turned when we stopped running the offense through bogut and other bigs and put the ball into Curry's hands for the entire possession so that they couldn't grab and hold him.
The 70s is the most physical era of basketball. Alot of cokeheads was roaming the floor back then. So many HOF big men, faaaaar more than the 80s and 90s that folks rave about. Wilt, Kareem, Unseld, Willis Reed, Dave Cowens, Bob Lanier, Thurmond, Big Elvin Hayes.
I could only imagine LeBron being allowed to dribble with his back to the basket longer than 5 seconds.
And ability to hand check guys
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_history.html
We gotta a convert
Yup Klay was 3 fouls in the first qrt
I think “when” the refs missed calls/didn’t allow follow thrus affected the game last night. When the Warriors were making their run, James Harden had a clear 4 point play opportunity on a fouled 3 point attempt that he banked off the glass, the ref quickly ruled out the shot and said it was on the floor. On another 3 point attempt by Harden , the refs who had called a foul on the defender from both teams at least twice each during the first half for sliding under the feet of the defender didn’t even blow the whistle this time when it was clear that the guy had slid under Harden because he was on the floor. There was also a drive by Gordon in which 2 defenders clear;y hit him but the whistle was never blown. I said earlier tho that even those calls were missed it the Rockets who choked the game away themselves by shooting all those bad 3’s
And what about the 2 moving screens? Warriors had one on one end and Ariza did the same thing 10 seconds later to free harden no calls both ways
what about the constant contact throughout the entire series that Curry was faced with and no calls?
Like people become LASER focused when its time to recall some shit in favor of the warriors
but also mute when I tell you Steph Curry had 81 drive shot attempts at the rim only Harden and James had more in the conference finals games
and only shot 2 fucking free throws on those drives
81 drives
2 free throws.
explain to me how?
Did you read the quote i posted about Iggy? Like I said what other reason do you think Iggy got the MVP
Like I said it’s not about the missed calls it’s about WHEN those missed calls occurred. That was a clear moving screen against Bell that freed Steph up for that 3 and it also happened during the time when the Warriors were making/made their comeback. If those clear calls were made at that time then it would’ve made a different game
All valid points!! As effective as the skyhook was, think it could be effective in today’s game?
I think someone said it earlier, no one can out Warriors the Warriors! And it is demoralizing when you up by 10 or 20 and they hit a streak and next thing you know you down by 5!
I think someone said it earlier, no one can out Warriors the Warriors! And it is demoralizing when you up by 10 or 20 and they hit a streak and next thing you know you down by 5!
Its true. The fundamentals some are losing some are advancing. Look at the 2 basic fundamentals in basketball: shooting and dribbling. It has evolved so much.
Shooting has gotten better and thats fundamental. We criticize people modern day because they lack the fundamentals of the 50's or 60's or even the 90's. But Players learn and perfect the fundamentals that are best suited for there era.
Imagine steph curry coming around in the early 70's. He would not be who he is you know why? Cuz part of what makes him so great is his shooting/range. If steph curry shooting 30 jump shots in the 70's you know how many points it would be worth? Just 2.
Does that mean curry would be ass or avg? No, he would just have to perfect other fundamentals. Shit far as we know he might have been just an avg shooter because he would not have put in the practice and time to be such an elite 3 point shooter. But he would have found a nitch somewhere.
Meanwhile people like kyle korver who is just a role player and nothing more if he played in the 70's he probably would not make the nba because his value is shooting.
There are certain fundamentals that transcend any era of basketball.
I mean do you expect these kids to perfect the sky hook shot? That fundamental is way more important in the 60's than in the 2000's.
Some people play in the best era they could have played in.
Imagine Rondo playing in the 60's
Now also imagine lets say Jordan playing in the 70's. He would have been great regardless just like LeBron but i think Bron would have been better in the 70's
You do know they started to do that in the second and third quarter as well and had to put Ryan Anderson in which totally took them out of rhythm. Anderson was so bad they had to adjust again. They tried it with Capela in the 4th quarter who was again rebounding well... and because they fouled him 2 straight possessions and they were up like 8 points... they had to yank him.
The sky hook was a shot you settled for not a shot that you looked for. Just like the floater, it is a good plan B shot when you realize you cant drive any closer to the basket
First off D’Antoni should be fired for even putting Ryan Anderson in the game, he gave them absolutely nothing. Both times they put him in the game they’d make switches so he’d end up guarding Steph and Steph would burn him for 2’s and 3’s, he would’ve been better putting M Bamutae in there. Lastly. TOOK THEM OUT OF RHYTHM
And 10 seconds later Ariza did a moving screen to get Harden free that went uncalled
now do you see what I mean by selective reasoning?
You focused on 1 play and the very next play the same thing that went uncalled in the warriors favor went uncalled in the rockets favor and you totally omitted it from your statement.
THAT is the crux of the issue
talk about it all
I understand what you saying, but facts is facts.
Rockets are 17-5 in the playoffs over the last two years. In all 5 losses, including two home playoff games this year, Scott Foster has been the ref. If he's officiating a Rocket game most fans chalk it up as an L. On numerous fan boards, as soon as the officiating assignment came out they said "welp, there's always next year."
I'm only bringing this up because I read that Tim Donaghy book and one thing he said was refs are fans of the game, teams, and players. If a ref likes or dislikes your team or style of play, best believe you aren't getting the calls on both ends. That's how he picked who and when to bet. Not by team matchups, but by who was calling what games.
I'm not taking nothing away from GSW. That team is a monster... you can't come out and let them outscore you 33-16 in the third quarter. The better team won. We just gotta regroup and come back ready next year. We're too close. Our time is coming.
I gave you 3 plays of clear missed calls before I even talked about the moving screen you mentioned. No way could the ref call a moving screen on Ariza when he had just let a clear moving screen on Bell go uncalled.
So now you're qualifying the non call on one end of the floor because of the non call on the other end
so it sounds like they're just not calling it both ways correct?
I can give you 4 clear drives by Steph in the 1st and 2nd half with clear contact and no call. And especially the 2 CHEAP fouls on Klay Thompson to begin the game as well. The 3rd was earned but that foul should have been his 1st foul not his 3rd
but you don't want to talk about any of that
Like I said if we gonna say the officials were wishy washy and not good last night I agree with you.
It's about credit and lack thereof.
But again something must have had to give because the warriors have an equally bad record when Foster is reffing their games is my point.
I can deduct that into Scott Foster is NOT A GOOD REF which I don't think he is.
But even last night the other 2 refs called a pretty much even foul distribution and Foster called more fouls on the warriors by a wide margin.
I don't want to take away anything about anything dealing with it but the refs always come up as the reason we win and never when we lose close games lol
Nobody still can explain to me how Steph can drive to the basket 81 times during 7 game and get 2 free throw attempts out of it.
The rockets are great I didn't disrespect yall from jump you set franchise records built this team to specifically beat us to match up with us and people are wondering why it was a difficult series when a team has dedicated its entire being in order to beat you lol
that shit is comical to me. of course it would be a tough series when they've made it their mission to beat 1 team (rightfully so)
We gotta a convert
I'm about as objective of a sports fan as you'll see. I've been on record the last two seasons (after he led all players in every category in the Finals) that I wouldn't argue against a GOAT statement for Lebron. Before that, I've said for years that he had the "potential" to be GOAT. He already has the individual accolades and team hardware for it. But you start compiling his elimination game performances...and then things like being able to take on a missing starter's production, consistently...it puts him in a different category. Love got hurt and Lebron (Green did have a good game though) just picked up his production. That's often lost in all of the analysis. The Cavs lost their starting PF going into game 7 and it didn't matter because Lebron just picked up the extra rebounds. If CP3 was on this squad and went down, Lebron would have just played the PG and picked up his production. Put your current favorite player on this team and swap him out with Lebron and no one is putting money on them making the finals. Because the Cavs fucked up that trade, they lost their second best player (only picked up role players) and it didn't matter because Lebron performed every single night. That's why I don't give Curry, Durant, etc props...because they don't have the pressure of needing to produce every night.
Man. They never call moving screens on the Warriors. I've seen Draymond out there like a fucking fullback in the A gap to clear space for Curry.
Boguts perfected it lol
