Mo’Nique calls for boycott of Netflix over gender, color bias
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Baltimore kids with no heat in school.
And no Monique
She's such a distraction from REAL issues.
Mo fucking up big time
I would venture to say that no one in this thread denied the way business works as far as who is currently hot vs who's not. No one has denied that entertainment entities such as Netflix take into account how much money they could make from prospective performers, what prestige landing certain performers can give the network which = revenue, etc. All of that is standard in the entertainment industry.
There's never been any argument denying that Mo'Nique's impulsive outbursts and emotion + an incompetent husband/manager has not caused her to shoot herself in the foot and sabotage her career numerous times - or that her proposed boycott was a stupid idea conceived in the heat of emotion.
What we were saying is that the story often does not end with standard business practice and is not always impartial. I'm not talking about just Netflix or Mo'Nique's situation. I'm speaking on an existing pay gap for women of color, period in entertainment that reflects the same pay gap across all industries. It is factual that there is a gender pay gap, It is also factual that there is a racial pay gap. It is also factual that there is a pay gap involving Black women, specifically. I would venture to ask how many men have taken time to hear what Sistas in tv and movies have to say on this issue or read what has been written on the subject- prior to Mo'Nique talking about her Netflix situation?
I'll admit I hadn't, but I saw it as a good opportunity to research a bit. Among several articles I read, here is one thing I found particularly interesting and relevant regarding tv actors:
From a Newsweek article from October of 2016 entitled: "TV Star Salaries Reveal Pay Gap Between White and Minority Actors"
"...The disparity between the sitcom stars of ABC’s comedy programming is also notable. In September, the sitcom black-ish was recognized at the Emmy Awards with nominations for Best Comedy, Best Actor for Anthony Anderson and Best Actress for Tracee Ellis Ross. However, both Anderson and Ross—who are industry veterans and in Ross’ case, practically Hollywood royalty as the daughter of Diana Ross—earn less than the stars of Modern Family, The Middle and Last Man Standing.
Anderson gets $100,000 an episode, while Ross’ pay is $80,000; comparatively, the core ModFam cast, The Middle ’s Patricia Heaton and Standing ’s Tim Allen all earn $250,000 an episode. Sure, Tim Allen was great in Home Improvement in the 1990s, but Standing is not nearly as beloved as black-ish by critics, nor does it match it in the ratings. (black-ish got a 2.0 rating in adults 18-49 on September 21, Standing did 1.1 two days later.)"
from the same article, Chris Rock recognizes the specific pay gap for Black women:
"...That initiative counters Hollywood’s diversity recognition issue, but not its diversity pay issue, which is a subject not often spoken about. In 2014, it was revealed that Jennifer Lawrence was paid way less than her male co-stars for American Hustle, courtesy of the Sony hack, and that drew worldwide headlines. A year later, she wrote about the incident, and that gained worldwide headlines, too. What didn’t get as many column inches is Chris Rock saying that, had Lawrence been black, she would have been paid even less. Variety’s reporting supports that claim."
and more:
"Unfortunately, though, the pay discrepancy between minorities and their white counterparts is not surprising to those who pay attention to these things. Debbie D'Oyley, senior feature writer at The British Blacklist, a database of black creatives in the U.K. entertainment industry, is among them.
“The color of someone's skin or ethnic features immediately identifies them as non-white and therefore of lesser value,” D’Oyley tells Newsweek by email. “This is related to colonialism, missionary-based education, slavery, international aid/charity and, in the U.K., the class system, which is still alive and well.”
D’Oyley believes that the public has been ingrained with associating “non-white people and communities…with lower class, the ‘lazy’ or paradoxically ‘noble’ slave, constantly needing international aid/rescue, deficient in education and western values.”
How does this translate to Hollywood? “Non-white actors, whichever role they are playing, will be seen through the same cultural lens, unless they have a proven track record to be of high net worth at the box office. Then, miraculously, color becomes irrelevant.”
I suggest to take time to read the full article. It's a good read.
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Monique shamelessly stalking Roland Martin (in the DemocracyNC twitter feed of all places) for no other reason than to pick an unprovoked PUBLIC fight. Telephone??? Apparently he has not abandoned every other cause and jumped fast enough to her "defense" this week to satisfy her and Sidney.
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Monique shamelessly stalking Roland Martin (in the DemocracyNC twitter feed of all places) for no other reason than to pick an unprovoked PUBLIC fight. Telephone??? Apparently he has not abandoned every other cause and jumped fast enough to her "defense" this week to satisfy her and Sidney.
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She must be broke. She's extra thirsty for that check.
This was only the beginning. Roland had about 6 feeds addressing her. Monique needs to take a nap
Monique shamelessly stalking Roland Martin (in the DemocracyNC twitter feed of all places) for no other reason than to pick an unprovoked PUBLIC fight. Telephone??? Apparently he has not abandoned every other cause and jumped fast enough to her "defense" this week to satisfy her and Sidney.
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Lolol
She's out here looking real pathetic
I'm not a Hot 97 fan but I watched her interview with them. She and her husband were pretty much whining and you could tell the hosts were like 'bitch please'
I'm not a Hot 97 fan but I watched her interview with them. She and her husband were pretty much whining and you could tell the hosts were like 'bitch please'
But they so corny and thirsty to try to find the cool fake activist angle, they stillwt her run her yap on there lol. Zero integrity. Not that I expect that from radio ,it's just funny to hear them pretending they have some.
Yawn. That discussiom is and was already being had and peoole like her with her obvious sham, takes away from it. This guy breaks it down (he comes later in the video) and shows why she's more of a hindrance than help. Movements are SERIOUS and there's no room for fakers. She needs to be called out on this as much as Umaf Johnsons bum ass. Don't play with real issues.
Good for you for finally admitting that a pay gap exists between Black women in comedy and everyone else. That was the point I made all along regarding Mo'Nique, which you all resisted. Yawn. I'll pass on your video. I don't need one to know she and her husband are irritating and suck at presenting issues and at business. All the other videos in this thread show it well enough. I already said she selfishly co-opted the issue when it benefited her.
Speaking of Umar, there are similarities between her and him.
Lol this is why I can tell your whole shit was disingenuous all along. Cheers.
Offended? Why trip over me looking at your vid? Negro, you dismissed the article I posted faster than a goose shits out White Castle. That's how I knew your whole shit was disingenuous all along. Cheers.
I didn't dismiss article. I didn't read it either. I got nothing to say in tbe article. I'm dissmissnf YOU in regards to this issue. What would I have to offended about? Monique or you ain't taking nothin from my pockets. I wouldn't speak on this if I didn't have a clue what I was talking about. Sometimes we're wrong bruh. I have been on other shit in here and I have acknoedged it.
Exactly. You dismissed it. An article about the two things you continuously denied until a few posts ago when you finally hopped on the bandwagon - that Mo'Nique was lowballed and that there could be a pay gap against Black female comedians (including Mo'Nique) that exists outside of standard business practices.
I've been wrong too and have admitted it, but I'm not wrong not about this. I really don't see the reason for your apparent hostility.
Facts: She was lowballed. She is at times, delusional and along those lines - she reacted emotionally and called for a completely self-serving boycott. She's talented but hard to get along/work with and has a shitty manager of a husband. She's a horrible negotiator. She is a professional bridge-burner, a self-harming reactionary and refuses to keep private business private. Are we agreed on those points? And if so, why are we at odds?
BTW, doesn’t Mo’Nique know about the Oscar curse? A lot of actors/actresses regardless of color or gender win it on their first go and are never heard from again.
none of this has to do with any pay gap. Again, I didn't read your article because whether it's reasonable or not, Monique and her bullshit shouldn't be in the same conversation as a pay gap for Black women or anyone else. We're "at odds" because you framed anyone who noticed that fact , as siding with the white man over the black woman. No, we all saw Monique was full of shit. Simple. She wasn't "low-balled" , and since you're talking about dismissing shit, you missed in the video , the part where the guy pointed out that she was allegedly offered even more but her dumb ass didn't wanna showcase, so the sight unseen price ended up being 5ook. And even without that knowledge, you would have to know the analytics of how Netfkix comes up with their numbers before you call out low balling. But since we only know from her calling out other peoples alleged numbers that jury is still out. But you already decided, based on attempting to appear to be down with the Black woman more than Anyone else. The conversation of what low-balling is and how markets work- THATS the nuanced discussion and it can't be had while Monique is anywhere near it.
BTW, doesn’t Mo’Nique know about the Oscar curse? A lot of actors/actresses regardless of color or gender win it on their first go and are never heard from again.
Thank you.
I said that early on in this discussion and not many acknowledged it. This is why a conversation about the REAL issues surrounding peoples prices and race and all that can't be had with Monique within 50 ft of it.
But this dude smashed her with facts. This really does remind me of how people were defending Umar Johnson until someone as petty as Tariq who they also follow took him down. Sometimes it takes petty to fight petty lol.
Umar talked about the REAL issue of overdiagnosing ADHD and problems with Blac children in school and jumbled it up with his bullshit until someone else just exposed him.
No jury is out on anything. We don't need "Netflix' analytics" to know she was lowballed and Wanda Sykes was lowballed even worse than her. Stevie Wonder can see that. That's what the racial/gender pay gap is about. Black folks get paid less than whites for work in tv and movies. Black women get paid the least. Since we are talking about dismissing shit, you missed in the article where Chris Rock himself spoke up against a racial pay gap that specifically affects women of color:
"...In 2014, it was revealed that Jennifer Lawrence was paid way less than her male co-stars for American Hustle, courtesy of the Sony hack, and that drew worldwide headlines. A year later, she wrote about the incident, and that gained worldwide headlines, too. What didn’t get as many column inches is Chris Rock saying that, had Lawrence been black, she would have been paid even less. Variety’s reporting supports that claim."
So then if racism is a part of this, why would Chappelle and Rock have been paid as much as they were?
Debbie D'Oyley, senior feature writer at The British Blacklist, a database of black creatives in the U.K. entertainment industry, says:
“Non-white actors, whichever role they are playing, will be seen through the same cultural lens, unless they have a proven track record to be of high net worth at the box office. Then, miraculously, color becomes irrelevant.”
Netflix being guilty of a racial gender bias it comes to comedy is in line with all the other major entertainment entities that do the same on the regular. The reasons that Mo'Nique said Netflix gave for not giving up the bread are what you and a few others agreed with. Those reasons do make sense.
Fact is, Netflix is headed up by whites and Mo'Nique is a Black woman. It is also factual that you were arguing that Netflix was right in this situation. You are correct that I pointed out that you were automatically taking the side of that white owned company while not verbalizing that this Black woman's low pay could have even one bit to do with a gender/racial pay gap discrepancy. For the record, I never called you a coon or a sellout for believing as you did.
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Monique shamelessly stalking Roland Martin (in the DemocracyNC twitter feed of all places) for no other reason than to pick an unprovoked PUBLIC fight. Telephone??? Apparently he has not abandoned every other cause and jumped fast enough to her "defense" this week to satisfy her and Sidney.
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Flabby and sick Monique
She is burning bridges right and left. Like dominoes, one by one knocking down potential allies and folks who could help her.
She’s getting ethered left and right. This is a real life ocking thread.
I told my buddy Umar was a fucking fraud. Now since he been exposed he on tour looking for schools. He all over the globe etc speaking yet he never takes photos of the crowd. Dude is a real life scammer and had a chance to do something.
Lol you're still trying. Be well my friend.
I would go with the mental illness thing. I feel for her in some ways. She's nice most of the time.
This is desperation that could potentially lead to depression.
I don't want to negate any responsible to her for the things she has caused herself.
And her husband is only enabling the behavior.
Even if she has some form of mental illness it's conveniently showing itself now?
Mo'Nique is human. She made a stance to do something and instead of eating crowing and admitting this whole thing is stupid, she is continuing to go deeper in the rabbit hole.
Now more bridges are being burned and she is (if not, already) putting her career at great risk.
It's like watching a person fend off an ocking at first and it continues to get worse for them the more they talk.
Womens rights and racism have been a hot topic over the last few years. We can make a list of Black and White celebs whove disingenuously jumped into the ring looking for PERSONAL gains.
It is what it is.
But if you call out one hustle, might as well call out all of em.
It is what it is.
But if you call out one hustle, might as well call out all of em.
Monique shamelessly stalking Roland Martin (in the DemocracyNC twitter feed of all places) for no other reason than to pick an unprovoked PUBLIC fight. Telephone??? Apparently he has not abandoned every other cause and jumped fast enough to her "defense" this week to satisfy her and Sidney.
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Roland killed her on Twitter.
We've been seeing this behavior for years from her. I'm no psychologist. Except for her not lacking empathy, my guess would be that it's narcissistic personality disorder. She's certainly delusional, feels justified in everything she says and does and is unable to see herself through the eyes of others.
