Tariq Nasheed vs Umar Johnson

Yeah, using Florida Evans is pushing it. The walrus is cool but not her. Some people is crossing the line with me. Like when Russell Simmons dissed Harriet Tubman or that bitch Steve Harvey dissed slavery. Them two are cut off from me. White supremacy can eat them alive for all I care.
 
I watched like the first 15 mins of this and had to stop it..i rock with tariq and the last video was funny...but this is getting out of hand now...and its spending too much time, talking about another dude...

Just putting it on now and the first 9-10 minutes is Tariq setting the shit up. Seems like you only got 5 minutes in before cutting it off.
 
I must say, I never seen anything like this because both of them have die hard stans that are still riding for them.

Although I admire both of their work, there is a difference between being a fan and being a stan...
 
No comparison.


People gave Umar money for this proposed school and got NOTHING but empty words in return.

Is Umar supposed to build the school with 10% of the money he requested? Are you an expert on building schools? You can talk about he needs to give the money back. But you're painting it like Umar never intended to build the school in the first place.
 
Brother, no matter how much intellect someone may possess, unchecked arrogance in motion inevitably breeds stupidity. Desperation has that effect as well.

For example, the other day when Umar claimed that he collected $400,000 in donations through GoFundMe but that they kept between $125,000 and $150,000 in "convenience fees". Family, a simple visit to GoFundMe's website will show documentation that they only keep less than 3% of each donation. Umar is claiming they kept between 31 and 35%. If that's actually what GoFundMe does, no one would use it.

And again NO RECEIPTS for his claim.

Also, didn't that man claim to have collected substantially more than that in the past? What happened to the rest of the money?

He's made a lot of disingenuous unsubstantiated claims in the past because he rightly assumed that most of his brainwashed avid followers will take him at his word.

I do listen to him occasionally he does drop some really informative facts ....

But I don't follow him like that as far as keeping tabs on what he is saying and his progress on his statements....

I knew from the get go and being a born and bred new yorker

You want my money show me product. ..

And untill I see product there will be no funds from me...

What you saying makes a lot of sense.. As far as the go fund me situation.

Somethings he do and say do raise a red flag

But I still believe he could pull a rabbit out the hat. ..sure it could be just me being too wishful in

My thinking

But that's just me and my type of wishful thinking ain't gonna effect my bottom line..

I would like to hear what Umar has to say about those fees tho...it's not a good look if he saying one thing and go fund me has a whole different story in black and white..

I will still support both these brothers....

I just won't send them anything for charity untill I see product
 
I do listen to him occasionally he does drop some really informative facts ....

But I don't follow him like that as far as keeping tabs on what he is saying and his progress on his statements....

I knew from the get go and being a born and bred new yorker

You want my money show me product. ..

And untill I see product there will be no funds from me...

What you saying makes a lot of sense.. As far as the go fund me situation.

Somethings he do and say do raise a red flag

But I still believe he could pull a rabbit out the hat. ..sure it could be just me being too wishful in

My thinking

But that's just me and my type of wishful thinking ain't gonna effect my bottom line..

I would like to hear what Umar has to say about those fees tho...it's not a good look if he saying one thing and go fund me has a whole different story in black and white..

I will still support both these brothers....

I just won't send them anything for charity untill I see product
I would say I support Tariq to a degree. He is who he says is. He doesn't claim to be anymore than that. He's not a public scholar. He does what he says he will do.

Umar Johnson has not earned my support. Why? He's arrogant, thin-skinned, vindictive, bullish, childish and shady. He NEVER shows everything he should show, as evidence goes. Even in this case of him vs the state of Pennsylvania, he makes a claim but to date has never shown us the page of the document he (allegedly) received that would detail the exact reason there is a hearing. We are supposed to take him at his word, just like we're supposed to take him at his word that he was not pocketing the donations for that pipe dream school just like we're supposed to just take him at his word about his connection to Frederick Douglass. These are things that would be so simple. This is so extremely unscholarly. For a scholar, it is a prerequisite to make statements with source material and receipts in hand. For a doctor in psychology not to do this is a terrible look. To this day, he does not have the college where he earned his doctorate in his bio on his website or easily accesible anywhere else online. Remember how he would get publicly enraged if someone asked him about it? How many legit public scholars do you see do that? I'm not saying that he has not earned a doctorate. I am saying that transparency is vital to trustworthiness.

For comparison sake:

Boyce Watkins
http://boycewatkins.com/dr-boyce-watkins/
"...Educationally, Dr. Watkins earned BA and BS degrees with a triple major in Finance, Economics and Business Management. In college, he was selected by the Wall Street Journal as the Outstanding Graduating Senior in Finance. He then earned a Masters Degree in Mathematical Statistics from University of Kentucky and a PhD in Finance from Ohio State University and was the only African-American in the world to earn a PHD in Finance during the year 2002."

Cornel West
http://www.cornelwest.com/bio.html#.Wko5HyPMzOQ
"...West graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in three years and obtained his M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy at Princeton."

Michael Eric Dyson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eric_Dyson
"...he entered Knoxville College as a freshman at the age of 21.[7] Dyson received his bachelor's degree, magna cum laude, from Carson–Newman College in 1985.[4] He obtained his master's and Ph.D in religion, from Princeton University."

Van Jones
http://www.vanjones.net/about
"...Jones is a Yale-educated attorney."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones
"...Jones was educated at Jackson Central-Merry High School, a public high school in his hometown; he graduated in 1986. Jones received his B.S. in communication and political science from the University of Tennessee at Martin (UT Martin)...Jones moved to Connecticut to attend Yale Law School...graduating from law school with his J.D. degree in 1993..."

Melissa Harris Perry
http://melissaharrisperry.com
"...Harris-Perry received her B.A. degree in English from Wake Forest University and her Ph.D. degree in political science from Duke University. She also studied theology at Union Theological Seminary in New York."

Dr. Phil Valentine
http://kemetaphysics.org/kmt/about-us/
"...he received his doctorate in Hygienic Health Science and Classical Naturopathy from The Life Science Institute of Texas, now merged to the Fit for Life Sciences Institute—College of Natural Health in Canada..."

Anthony Browder
https://ikgculturalresourcecenter.com/aboutanthony-browder/
"...He is a graduate of Howard University’s College of Fine Arts..."

With these and many more recognized Black public scholars, one doesn't have to look far for their educational credentials. Because of that, no would would HAVE to ASK for them.

We have seen this man publicly attack numerous people through rants on video, at speaking events and through memes in social media.

Now the GoFundMe page for Umar's school is gone. I'm hoping people follow this detail. This is the one place receipts (actual ones) are vital. If he lets this go by the wayside, never addresses it - with receipts, and continues not to produce anything, he is nothing but a sharp-tongued con man and a thief who is attuned to the lack of education, lack of critical analytic skill and the gullibility of his core audience. Considering his quantifiable public track record, I would not loan that brotha $5, let alone donate one red cent to his alleged "school." His reckless, touchy, shady ass doesn't need to be in charge of the future and long term care of anyone's kids.
 
I would say I support Tariq to a degree. He is who he says is. He doesn't claim to be anymore than that. He's not a public scholar. He does what he says he will do.

Umar Johnson has not earned my support. Why? He's arrogant, thin-skinned, vindictive, bullish, childish and shady. He NEVER shows everything he should show, as evidence goes. Even in this case of him vs the state of Pennsylvania, he makes a claim but to date has never shown us the page of the document he (allegedly) received that would detail the exact reason there is a hearing. We are supposed to take him at his word, just like we're supposed to take him at his word that he was not pocketing the donations for that pipe dream school just like we're supposed to just take him at his word about his connection to Frederick Douglass. These are things that would be so simple. This is so extremely unscholarly. For a scholar, it is a prerequisite to make statements with source material and receipts in hand. For a doctor in psychology not to do this is a terrible look. To this day, he does not have the college where he earned his doctorate in his bio on his website or easily accesible anywhere else online. Remember how he would get publicly enraged if someone asked him about it? How many legit public scholars do you see do that? I'm not saying that he has not earned a doctorate. I am saying that transparency is vital to trustworthiness.

For comparison sake:

Boyce Watkins
http://boycewatkins.com/dr-boyce-watkins/
"...Educationally, Dr. Watkins earned BA and BS degrees with a triple major in Finance, Economics and Business Management. In college, he was selected by the Wall Street Journal as the Outstanding Graduating Senior in Finance. He then earned a Masters Degree in Mathematical Statistics from University of Kentucky and a PhD in Finance from Ohio State University and was the only African-American in the world to earn a PHD in Finance during the year 2002."

Cornel West
http://www.cornelwest.com/bio.html#.Wko5HyPMzOQ
"...West graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in three years and obtained his M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy at Princeton."

Michael Eric Dyson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eric_Dyson
"...he entered Knoxville College as a freshman at the age of 21.[7] Dyson received his bachelor's degree, magna cum laude, from Carson–Newman College in 1985.[4] He obtained his master's and Ph.D in religion, from Princeton University."

Van Jones
http://www.vanjones.net/about
"...Jones is a Yale-educated attorney."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones
"...Jones was educated at Jackson Central-Merry High School, a public high school in his hometown; he graduated in 1986. Jones received his B.S. in communication and political science from the University of Tennessee at Martin (UT Martin)...Jones moved to Connecticut to attend Yale Law School...graduating from law school with his J.D. degree in 1993..."

Melissa Harris Perry
http://melissaharrisperry.com
"...Harris-Perry received her B.A. degree in English from Wake Forest University and her Ph.D. degree in political science from Duke University. She also studied theology at Union Theological Seminary in New York."

Dr. Phil Valentine
http://kemetaphysics.org/kmt/about-us/
"...he received his doctorate in Hygienic Health Science and Classical Naturopathy from The Life Science Institute of Texas, now merged to the Fit for Life Sciences Institute—College of Natural Health in Canada..."

Anthony Browder
https://ikgculturalresourcecenter.com/aboutanthony-browder/
"...He is a graduate of Howard University’s College of Fine Arts..."

With these and many more recognized Black public scholars, one doesn't have to look far for their educational credentials. Because of that, no would would HAVE to ASK for them.

We have seen this man publicly attack numerous people through rants on video, at speaking events and through memes in social media.

Now the GoFundMe page for Umar's school is gone. I'm hoping people follow this detail. This is the one place receipts (actual ones) are vital. If he lets this go by the wayside, never addresses it - with receipts, and continues not to produce anything, he is nothing but a sharp-tongued con man and a thief who is attuned to the lack of education, lack of critical analytic skill and the gullibility of his core audience. Considering his quantifiable public track record, I would not loan that brotha $5, let alone donate one red cent to his alleged "school." His reckless, touchy, shady ass doesn't need to be in charge of the future and long term care of anyone's kids.

I just know Umars timing is bad, he comin at tariq right when his credibility is on the line..

well we gonna know for sure if he really has them degrees or not..

Im sure its gonna come out in court...

like I still support em, but they wont get a penny out of me, untill I see product

for example young bruhs

walking to and from umars school...
 
Damn. I didn't read through all of 'em ...

...and I didn't know their credentials - but I was highly impressed with Van Jones, Boyce and Cornel's credentials. Cornel graduated magnum cum laude in three years??? Daaaamn.

Boyce was a damn triple major in undergrad? Gooood damn.

No wonder Boyce is a nerd with no swag. That motherfucker a big ol', Super Saiyan nerd. No diss, just didn't realize how much education he had.
 
Damn. I didn't read through all of 'em ...

...and I didn't know their credentials - but I was highly impressed with Van Jones, Boyce and Cornel's credentials. Cornel graduated magnum cum laude in three years??? Daaaamn.

Boyce was a damn triple major in undergrad? Gooood damn.

No wonder Boyce is a nerd with no swag. That motherfucker a big ol', Super Saiyan nerd. No diss, just didn't realize how much education he had.

Boyce said when he was in school he took no days off from studying. Christmas day, new years, didn't matter he was studying.

I believe him now.

See that's why I cut him some slack on the "swag" front. He is a super nerd and that's what happens.

Beyond that, I don't need him to have "swag" or be an alpha cause I'm not looking to be lead anywhere, I just need the intel. That's it.
 
he did that weak ass shit with dj vlad too

I just dont understand how both of these dudes dont see how weak this shit looks.
There is not one ounce of manhood in this so called beef.
Its all estrogen and emotionalism.
One is literally delegitimizing 3 of his fucking movies; the other needs a separate room for his ego
fucking idiots
 
Come on fellas, the "Prince of Pan Pizza" was kinda funny...

Oh and @alexw i been told you your hotep heros was clown ass niggas. You gone start listening to me one day tho.

It's was insanely funny.

But there are a lot of people that follow and look up to these guys. And this is what they are getting.

But they're human, so I'm not a bit surprised. Just disappointed that both are this childish and petty.
 
Come on fellas, the "Prince of Pan Pizza" was kinda funny...

Oh and @alexw i been told you your hotep heros was clown ass niggas. You gone start listening to me one day tho.

Ive literally had private meetings with umar so some of this shit isnt new to me.
in person he comes off as a real good dude.
but lately this nigga has lost his damn mind. i cant support that shit no more
oh btw fuck you buddy!
 
Ahhh the business of inspiration....

black folks actually think that these individuals can do something to fight against white supremacy.

all these different agencies,secret societies,wealthy corporations.etc...tariq with his documentaries and his white mother in law sitting across the table for christmas dinner and umar with his conscious strippers going to be on the front lines...hahaha.

unless black folks start building wealth where people can truly say they need us to employ them etc or that we are shutting them out of certain industries etc....not a damn thing will change.


oh yea hidden colors 5,6,7 coming soon....hahahha.
 
It's was insanely funny.

But there are a lot of people that follow and look up to these guys. And this is what they are getting.

But they're human, so I'm not a bit surprised. Just disappointed that both are this childish and petty.
Yea.. these guys are who ive said they were for years.. Dont take away from the contributions they've made but its a terrible look.. Specifically for Umar, he puts himself forth as a scholar, professor, and clinician.. His reputation is being sullied. Atleast Tariq has a background as an actor/entertainer type so he isnt flatout out of character like Umar.
Ive literally had private meetings with umar so some of this shit isnt new to me.
in person he comes off as a real good dude.
but lately this nigga has lost his damn mind. i cant support that shit no more
Male ego is a muthafucka...
 
Come on fellas, the "Prince of Pan Pizza" was kinda funny...

Oh and @alexw i been told you your hotep heros was clown ass niggas. You gone start listening to me one day tho.
nah big bro this shit aint funny to me. i dont necessarily follow either of them. but i like what their message is when they are in the media against these racists.
now they acting like cast members of love n hip hop smh
 
I just dont understand how both of these dudes dont see how weak this shit looks.
There is not one ounce of manhood in this so called beef.
Its all estrogen and emotionalism.
One is literally delegitimizing 3 of his fucking movies; the other needs a separate room for his ego
fucking idiots

Fuck around this isn't a beef at all and nothing but collusion for some traffic.

We've seen SaNeter do shit like this every other month with his 'allies' to the point this must pay for his car note.

It was WW3 with he a Poppy a minute ago.

Now they've kissed and made up he and Javen Bullets, a once confidant are at each others throats.

I doubt it's fake with these two but it wouldn't shock me at all.
 
I would say I support Tariq to a degree. He is who he says is. He doesn't claim to be anymore than that. He's not a public scholar. He does what he says he will do.

Umar Johnson has not earned my support. Why? He's arrogant, thin-skinned, vindictive, bullish, childish and shady. He NEVER shows everything he should show, as evidence goes. Even in this case of him vs the state of Pennsylvania, he makes a claim but to date has never shown us the page of the document he (allegedly) received that would detail the exact reason there is a hearing. We are supposed to take him at his word, just like we're supposed to take him at his word that he was not pocketing the donations for that pipe dream school just like we're supposed to just take him at his word about his connection to Frederick Douglass. These are things that would be so simple. This is so extremely unscholarly. For a scholar, it is a prerequisite to make statements with source material and receipts in hand. For a doctor in psychology not to do this is a terrible look. To this day, he does not have the college where he earned his doctorate in his bio on his website or easily accesible anywhere else online. Remember how he would get publicly enraged if someone asked him about it? How many legit public scholars do you see do that? I'm not saying that he has not earned a doctorate. I am saying that transparency is vital to trustworthiness.

For comparison sake:

Boyce Watkins
http://boycewatkins.com/dr-boyce-watkins/
"...Educationally, Dr. Watkins earned BA and BS degrees with a triple major in Finance, Economics and Business Management. In college, he was selected by the Wall Street Journal as the Outstanding Graduating Senior in Finance. He then earned a Masters Degree in Mathematical Statistics from University of Kentucky and a PhD in Finance from Ohio State University and was the only African-American in the world to earn a PHD in Finance during the year 2002."

Cornel West
http://www.cornelwest.com/bio.html#.Wko5HyPMzOQ
"...West graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in three years and obtained his M.A. and Ph.D. in Philosophy at Princeton."

Michael Eric Dyson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Eric_Dyson
"...he entered Knoxville College as a freshman at the age of 21.[7] Dyson received his bachelor's degree, magna cum laude, from Carson–Newman College in 1985.[4] He obtained his master's and Ph.D in religion, from Princeton University."

Van Jones
http://www.vanjones.net/about
"...Jones is a Yale-educated attorney."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones
"...Jones was educated at Jackson Central-Merry High School, a public high school in his hometown; he graduated in 1986. Jones received his B.S. in communication and political science from the University of Tennessee at Martin (UT Martin)...Jones moved to Connecticut to attend Yale Law School...graduating from law school with his J.D. degree in 1993..."

Melissa Harris Perry
http://melissaharrisperry.com
"...Harris-Perry received her B.A. degree in English from Wake Forest University and her Ph.D. degree in political science from Duke University. She also studied theology at Union Theological Seminary in New York."

Dr. Phil Valentine
http://kemetaphysics.org/kmt/about-us/
"...he received his doctorate in Hygienic Health Science and Classical Naturopathy from The Life Science Institute of Texas, now merged to the Fit for Life Sciences Institute—College of Natural Health in Canada..."

Anthony Browder
https://ikgculturalresourcecenter.com/aboutanthony-browder/
"...He is a graduate of Howard University’s College of Fine Arts..."

With these and many more recognized Black public scholars, one doesn't have to look far for their educational credentials. Because of that, no would would HAVE to ASK for them.

We have seen this man publicly attack numerous people through rants on video, at speaking events and through memes in social media.

Now the GoFundMe page for Umar's school is gone. I'm hoping people follow this detail. This is the one place receipts (actual ones) are vital. If he lets this go by the wayside, never addresses it - with receipts, and continues not to produce anything, he is nothing but a sharp-tongued con man and a thief who is attuned to the lack of education, lack of critical analytic skill and the gullibility of his core audience. Considering his quantifiable public track record, I would not loan that brotha $5, let alone donate one red cent to his alleged "school." His reckless, touchy, shady ass doesn't need to be in charge of the future and long term care of anyone's kids.

I agree with most of what you said it's often these degrees were given by white folks and their is a certain brainwashing and disconnect that goes on behind it but I see your point. There is a reason why many educated blacks haven't been able to help the masses. They often look down on their people from a white perspective because they have been educated that way since birth. I don't put to much weight in that and I have degrees too so I'm not a brother hating.
 
But I find it funny that niggaz never question non blacks they give their money to. You don’t question them at all. Any negro neighborhood I go to you see the same shit; every nationality making bank off niggaz and they clearly don’t care about blacks or their issues. All they care about is their money.

Asians and Arabs send their kids to school of if black dollars. Dominicans sell you bullshit while they don’t want you hanging around their stores.

After they’ve made money off you they move on away from the hood leaving it for the next group to come in to make money off stupid niggaz.

See, everybody keeps repeating this over and over again. The reason for this should be obvious. When I hand my money to most people (black and/or otherwise) I get something back immediately, i.e. a meal, a car, admission, insurance, a place to stay, electronics, utilities. etc. People are feeling some kind of way (as they should) because they handed their money over and haven't received anything in return, just a pipe dream. I've listened to Umar, Tariq and Boyce for years now, but you can best believe I would NEVER send any of them one thin dime! None of the three have ever said one damn thing I didn't already know. I feel bad for the people that feel a need to invest in scams. This should be a wake up call. Dollars aren't earmarked by race. They should be used to purchase goods and services that can uplift black people and the black community, period.
 
I just tried to listen to tariqs show from yesterday and i had to cut that shit off. nigga was asked why does he have a white camera crew and he skirted around that question like a mofo. tariq does a lot of shaddy shit too but he always gets a pass. youre literally giving black donations to white folks. thats fucking foul regardless if youre the boss or not.

hell and these are donations he doesnt need when he told boyce hes earned 10 million from hidden colors. yet he's asking for donations and paying the scholars $500. lmfao. scumbag shit. never forget that for the 1st hidden colors if you donated $25 you received the dvd for free. he quickly changed that shit up to 50 for his future projects. dude is something else.
 
I just tried to listen to tariqs show from yesterday and i had to cut that shit off. nigga was asked why does he have a white camera crew and he skirted around that question like a mofo. tariq does a lot of shaddy shit too but he always gets a pass. youre literally giving black donations to white folks. thats fucking foul regardless if youre the boss or not.

hell and these are donations he doesnt need when he told boyce hes earned 10 million from hidden colors. yet he's asking for donations and paying the scholars $500. lmfao. scumbag shit. never forget that for the 1st hidden colors if you donated $25 you received the dvd for free. he quickly changed that shit up to 50 for his future projects. dude is something else.

http://www.bgol.us/forum/threads/tariq-nasheed-vs-umar-johnson.983716/page-8#post-18561564
 
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