"White Women, White Men ELECTED TRUMP, STOP Blaming Black Voters"

[Camille]

Democrats won't take any personal fucking responsibility for the fucked up election. They will scream Russia, white women, and whatever the fuck else to take away from them fucking it up with that boring, old, ugly, fake ass bitch Hillary.

Funny. Democrats weren't screaming "white women" when Obama won with white women voting against him two fucking times. Just admit the campaign was shit and the wrong candidate was forced on us.

Cats tried to tell the diehards that folks didn't fuck with Hillary like that. Stop listening to Californians. California democrats don't really represent the democrats in the rest of the country.

Let's cut the shit. Ask all the diehards do they think Obama would have won against Trump. Anyone who says 'no' is full of shit. So if Obama would have won, why all the excuses for the old hag?

There are plenty of things the DNC and Hillary could have done better. It isn't either/or, it's both/and. However the people who were the most vocal, and on social media encouraging people not to vote and to vote 3rd party, are supposed to be the most educated and politically savvy. They increased attacks after Hillary won the primary. The candidate of their own party. There was little talk of pulling our shit together to get a win. We still have idiots parroting Russian talking points. THAT is who I have problems with because THAT is who the low information voters saw on social media. Those are the ones who were on forums like this one encouraging dissent and protests votes. "Let white people suffer. Let them get a tastes of what we have been going through. We are survivors. We've had it hard for years. We can handle it. They can't. It's time they get their wake up call." BULLLLLLLLLLLSHIT. There is no honor is suffering and struggling. I don't get a medal if I have to make due with beans instead of steak. If I'm struggling, all I'm doing is aging faster and getting more grey hair. Just because we CAN make it on scraps, doesn't mean we should embrace it to spite the dems or see some angry white folks suffer, too. They act like white folks are the only ones who are going to get the Trump effect. How many black older Americans are on Medicare? Well, if their tax plan goes through, say goodbye to it. How many black folks are recipients of HUD programs? Programs Ben Carson is ready to strip, and can't even explain why in open hearings. If they repeal provisions of the ACA, the employer plans don't have to have certain benefits or cover certain procedures.

Yeah, we need better candidates, but once the primary is over, unless the candidate would be a total shit show for the country along the lines of Trump, then you do the responsible thing and vote for them. Y'all act like we are 10 year olds. "The candidate just wasn't wasn't exciting enough to earn my vote." Who cares? Adults don't do what is exciting, they do what is necessary. The responsible thing. Yeah, Obama was inspiring, but seriously, it's the POTUS, who before him was exciting? It's politics, if it's exciting 8/10x there is drama or fuckery afoot. I want someone sober minded to run the country where I can sleep at night and not have to wake up and wonder if they started a war with someone overnight or gave away half the country. The Bushes weren't exciting, but their base voted them in anyway. Sitting it out and waiting on perfect candidates is why we have gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, consumer protection laws about to be rolled back, an AG/DOJ wanting to target black activists, KKK members marching hood off in the streets, our state department gutted, incompetent/corrupt/unqualified people in leadership positions, Puerto Rican's still starving and homeless, and everybody in danger of getting healthcare diminished, not to mention a mile long list of other things. Trump hasn't passed anything, but he is dismantling everything he can get his hands on. But Hillary would have been worse? Please.

 

[gene cisco]

There are plenty of things the DNC and Hillary could have done better. It isn't either/or, it's both/and. However the people who were the most vocal, and on social media encouraging people not to vote and to vote 3rd party, are supposed to be the most educated and politically savvy. They increased attacks after Hillary won the primary. The candidate of their own party. There was little talk of pulling our shit together to get a win. We still have idiots parroting Russian talking points. THAT is who I have problems with because THAT is who the low information voters saw on social media. Those are the ones who were on forums like this one encouraging dissent and protests votes. "Let white people suffer. Let them get a tastes of what we have been going through. We are survivors. We've had it hard for years. We can handle it. They can't. It's time they get their wake up call." BULLLLLLLLLLLSHIT. There is no honor is suffering and struggling. I don't get a medal if I have to make due with beans instead of steak. If I'm struggling, all I'm doing is aging faster and getting more grey hair. Just because we CAN make it on scraps, doesn't mean we should embrace it to spite the dems or see some angry white folks suffer, too. They act like white folks are the only ones who are going to get the Trump effect. How many black older Americans are on Medicare? Well, if their tax plan goes through, say goodbye to it. How many black folks are recipients of HUD programs? Programs Ben Carson is ready to strip, and can't even explain why in open hearings. If they repeal provisions of the ACA, the employer plans don't have to have certain benefits or cover certain procedures.

Yeah, we need better candidates, but once the primary is over, unless the candidate would be a total shit show for the country along the lines of Trump, then you do the responsible thing and vote for them. Y'all act like we are 10 year olds. "The candidate just wasn't wasn't exciting enough to earn my vote." Who cares? Adults don't do what is exciting, they do what is necessary. The responsible thing. Yeah, Obama was inspiring, but seriously, it's the POTUS, who before him was exciting? It's politics, if it's exciting 8/10x there is drama or fuckery afoot. I want someone sober minded to run the country where I can sleep at night and not have to wake up and wonder if they started a war with someone overnight or gave away half the country. The Bushes weren't exciting, but their base voted them in anyway. Sitting it out and waiting on perfect candidates is why we have gerrymandered districts, voter suppression, consumer protection laws about to be rolled back, an AG/DOJ wanting to target black activists, KKK members marching hood off in the streets, our state department gutted, incompetent/corrupt/unqualified people in leadership positions, Puerto Rican's still starving and homeless, and everybody in danger of getting healthcare diminished, not to mention a mile long list of other things. Trump hasn't passed anything, but he is dismantling everything he can get his hands on. But Hillary would have been worse? Please.

Again, folks didn't listen that Hillary wasn't well-liked. They didn't believe it until she was attacked even by supposed democrats, but that shit had been going on for years. Folks fucked with Bill, but not Hillary. Bill was the charismatic superstar, Hillary was just there. They tried to make her an extension of Bill. It's like a sequel that should have never been greenlighted.

There's a reason the only two democratic presidents in the last quarter century were charismatic superstars. For some reason, republicans don't need exciting candidates. Yet folks ignored that and try to shove Hillary down the throats of Americans. Now folks want to blame white women, black people, Russia, and every fucking thing else instead of themselves.

If a mechanic tells you that your car has bad brakes that require immediate service and you still drive it in the rain, do you blame the rain for your accident? If you had good brakes, you probably ain't in the accident. Hillary was the bad fucking brakes. Everything else is just rain. Dems totaled the car and should own it.

If we talk about low-information voters, you are talking abut 80 percent of voters. Democracy basically works because people don't know what the fuck is going on. If people did, they'd be holding all these crooks accountable. It's amazing how many times these crooks work across the aisle on fuckery.

 

[Camille]

Again, folks didn't listen that Hillary wasn't well-liked. They didn't believe it until she was attacked even by supposed democrats, but that shit had been going on for years. Folks fucked with Bill, but not Hillary. Bill was the charismatic superstar, Hillary was just there. They tried to make her an extension of Bill. It's like a sequel that should have never been greenlighted.

There's a reason the only two democratic presidents in the last quarter century were charismatic superstars. For some reason, republicans don't need exciting candidates. Yet folks ignored that and try to shove Hillary down the throats of Americans. Now folks want to blame white women, black people, Russia, and every fucking thing else instead of themselves.

If a mechanic tells you that your car has bad brakes that require immediate service and you still drive it in the rain, do you blame the rain for your accident? If you had good brakes, you probably ain't in the accident. Hillary was the bad fucking brakes. Everything else is just rain. Dems totaled the car and should own it.

If we talk about low-information voters, you are talking abut 80 percent of voters. Democracy basically works because people don't know what the fuck is going on. If people did, they'd be holding all these crooks accountable. It's amazing how many times these crooks work across the aisle on fuckery.

Hillary's numbers didn't dip until the GOP started a sustained propaganda attack on her. One of them admitted that was the goal during one of the press conferences.

Regardless of whether or not she was well liked, the responsible thing to do was keep DT out of office and find someone to primary her next time. You don't concede power to a group determined to target every group of your coalition. We knew they were coming for gay folks, immigrants, women's rights, black folks, health care, native American water rights and entitlements. But many in each one of those groups focused on the help they perceived dems giving to all the others. I still don't believe it.

 

[gene cisco]

Hillary's numbers didn't dip until the GOP started a sustained propaganda attack on her. One of them admitted that was the goal during one of the press conferences.

Regardless of whether or not she was well liked, the responsible thing to do was keep DT out of office and find someone to primary her next time. You don't concede power to a group determined to target every group of your coalition. We knew they were coming for gay folks, immigrants, women's rights, black folks, health care, native American water rights and entitlements. But many in each one of those groups focused on the help they perceived dems giving to all the others. I still don't believe it.

Bush got re-elected after voters knew they got the country into a fucked up war, and folks thought people would rally around Hillary? It just doesn't work like that. Dull candidates don't do it for democrats. We have proof.

White democrats in the mid-west don't give a fuck about gays and illegal immigrants. They don't care about BLM. They worry about jobs. They were attracted to Trump's bringing jobs back to America rhetoric. Hillary's campaign was just a fucking train wreck. If you want to capture the democrats in states like Ohio, PA, and so on, run a charismatic candidate. Period.

Some folks want to live in an idealistic world where people do what they are supposed to do. It doesn't work like that. These voters on the democratic side have to be led by charismatic leaders. Why? Because there are too many different people in the party. Face it. Black people are conservatives in some aspects. The most religious demographic in this country and more anti-gay than conservative whites(how bush got black votes in Ohio in 2004). You have cali/ny dems and then the mid-west ones. You have hispanics being catered to(Republicans don't even address them and still get 29 percent vote). Democrats also go after the 3 percent gay vote.

Republicans are just talking to straight, white people. They don't have to worry about pulling together all these demographics like democrats. People like Obama and Bill are able to work that magic on a national level.

Hillary was just bad. A significant downgrade from President Obama. People wouldn't follow Hillary out of a burning building. She got 'fuck Trump' votes, but that wasn't enough.

 

[Camille]

Bush got re-elected after voters knew they got the country into a fucked up war, and folks thought people would rally around Hillary? It just doesn't work like that. Dull candidates don't do it for democrats. We have proof.

White democrats in the mid-west don't give a fuck about gays and illegal immigrants. They don't care about BLM. They worry about jobs. They were attracted to Trump's bringing jobs back to America rhetoric. Hillary's campaign was just a fucking train wreck. If you want to capture the democrats in states like Ohio, PA, and so on, run a charismatic candidate. Period.

Some folks want to live in an idealistic world where people do what they are supposed to do. It doesn't work like that. These voters on the democratic side have to be led by charismatic leaders. Why? Because there are too many different people in the party. Face it. Black people are conservatives in some aspects. The most religious demographic in this country and more anti-gay than conservative whites(how bush got black votes in Ohio in 2004). You have cali/ny dems and then the mid-west ones. You have hispanics being catered to(Republicans don't even address them and still get 29 percent vote). Democrats also go after the 3 percent gay vote.

Republicans are just talking to straight, white people. They don't have to worry about pulling together all these demographics like democrats. People like Obama and Bill are able to work that magic on a national level.

Hillary was just bad. A significant downgrade from President Obama. People wouldn't follow Hillary out of a burning building. She got 'fuck Trump' votes, but that wasn't enough.

I don't disagree with your assessment, but it just means that dems need to grow up. I can't let someone off the hook for helping us get Trump because they needed someone exciting. If the world going to hell wasn't motivation enough, I don't know what would be.

 

[gene cisco]

I don't disagree with your assessment, but it just means that dems need to grow up. I can't let someone off the hook for helping us get Trump because they needed someone exciting. If the world going to hell wasn't motivation enough, I don't know what would be.

World was going to hell in 2004 too. They won't change. It's the pattern. Dems need a rockstar. Where is that person?

What worries me is the growing division within the party. It's easy to handle at the local and state level, national not so much. The next presidential candidate will have to be even more charismatic than Obama or Bill. Why? Because demo in the party seems to want their own candidate and bubble worlds are reinforcing that.