Coming from PGH there aren't to many latino's.........2nd time I met one she was PR I called her Mexican. she flipped out on me. She said Mexicans are on the lower scale of Latno's
"White Women, White Men ELECTED TRUMP, STOP Blaming Black Voters"
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Coming from PGH there aren't to many latino's.........2nd time I met one she was PR I called her Mexican. she flipped out on me. She said Mexicans are on the lower scale of Latno's
I can't see Trump doing all 4 years but if by chance he does, sorry but imo he win reelection easily
If he wins reelection, it's because democrats shit the bed again.
Wait until the infighting over who should run begins. By that I mean, gender, religion, race, sexual orientation. There will be extremists on the left turning on their own.
Cmon
They're not Black
They're white Hispanics
To Trump and his kind if anyone has a good tan they are a n-----.
Just the start. So much more to come from Trump and co. We'll see when you feel things have gotten worse.
Trump will win.If he wins reelection, it's because democrats shit the bed again.
Not because of the democrats but because of white people. They control it all.
They are little slow so it will take 10 years to understand how bad Trump was for them.
If the republicans had a candidate that was even remotely likeable, it would be a fucking bloodbath.
You're right. It is white people. Look around the Internet and you could see this was coming. These cacs were bitching about BLM protests stopping them from shopping or getting home from work. They don't even understand white privilege and never will. They just feel that they having trouble paying bills and want to know how that is privilege. They don't want to hear about racism. There's also the 'what if a white person did/said that' shit they complain about.
They actually feel there is a war on them.
We know that isn't true, but that's how they seem to feel. I'm guessing it will just get worse. Trump is fanning the flames and best believe he loves it whenever words like white privilege, white male privilege, and white supremacy are used. It helps build the resentment among white people that he manipulates.
Most Mexicans arent even latinos. Those Canelo looking types are latinos. Whether they are from Mexico, Honduras or Argentina. Latino means they can pass for white.
Which ones did Obama win?
The ones not southern and flyover states... Where he was getting less than 15 percent of the white vote...
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Hispanic men (especially older ones) were never going to vote for a woman to lead them.
So, if Hillary had carried those same racists that voted for Obama would she have won the election?
If Hillary had just gotten the 3rd party votes she wouldve won. The electoral college made it look like she got trounced, but Chump won by the skin of his teeth. But Hilarys base beytayed her in a way no one expected. But make no mistake, racists didn't vote for Obama, they just didnt come out and support his opponent like they did Chump. If you disagree make it plain and we can discuss it. But don't try to make me connect the dots in your mind. Say what you gotta say man.
I say it every time one of these threads comes up. Stop blaming black people for this shit.
Betrayed her in a way no one expected? Lol...
Who blamed black people???!!! Did you even understand my post when you quoted it??? Trump won every white demographic... So there's no reason to look any further for why he's in office... We're saying the same thing my dude... Sometimes I swear dudes just wanna pick an argument. Her base... Meaning white bitches... Come on man, you're better than this.
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Trump found a hidden demographic of hicks that usually didn't vote and played to them. Most people I know didn't vote like they did when Obama ran. It took motivation for dudes to vote in the Obama era, tgat should of been enough to continue the movement. If you can't take responsibility for mistakes you keep making them
bump for Hilary's titty suckers.....
you do understand how the electoral college works. she won the popular vote by aleast a milli but lost the vote that matter . that didn't have shit to do with the general public going to vote.
Its time to be real, Russia did their homework. They looked at white America saw the weakness of their minds and and fed on those weaknesses. Anytime you can get white women en mass to vote against their best interest your dealing with weak minds.
On the other side of the coin, the other problem was never with black voters. The problem was with the black voters that didn't bother to vote. Had we turned out the same way we did for Obama, I know Russia's meddling would not have mattered. So I'm saying we must also share some of that blame. Our cavalier attitude towards elections bit us in the ass this time.
When Obama ran his two races the voting lines were long. I waited in both elections for better than an hour to vote. Last year when I went to vote there was no wait, there was no line, not here in Jacksonville. So like it or not we must also share the blame. I hope we learned something from this mistake.
For those with 20 - 20 hindsight you now know Hillary (even if you didn't like her) wasn't such a bad choice. Not when we look at the big picture because this was never about Hillary in the first place. This was more about our willingness to continue allowing others to control our lives.
On the other side of the coin, the other problem was never with black voters. The problem was with the black voters that didn't bother to vote. Had we turned out the same way we did for Obama, I know Russia's meddling would not have mattered. So I'm saying we must also share some of that blame. Our cavalier attitude towards elections bit us in the ass this time.
When Obama ran his two races the voting lines were long. I waited in both elections for better than an hour to vote. Last year when I went to vote there was no wait, there was no line, not here in Jacksonville. So like it or not we must also share the blame. I hope we learned something from this mistake.
For those with 20 - 20 hindsight you now know Hillary (even if you didn't like her) wasn't such a bad choice. Not when we look at the big picture because this was never about Hillary in the first place. This was more about our willingness to continue allowing others to control our lives.
88% of WHO VOTED.....
But you idiots who didn't vote or keep preaching not to vote are responsible for Trump as much as Trump voters. There was a lot of close races in importamt swing states.
Explain to me why any politician will want to pick up the fight for people who are on the decline as voters???
Black voter turnout fell in 2016, even as a record number of Americans cast ballots
A record 137.5 million Americans voted in the 2016 presidential election, according to new data from the U.S. Census Bureau. Overall voter turnout – defined as the share of adult U.S. citizens who cast ballots – was 61.4% in 2016, a share similar to 2012 but below the 63.6% who say they voted in 2008.
A number of long-standing trends in presidential elections either reversed or stalled in 2016, as black voter turnout decreased, white turnout increased and the nonwhite share of the U.S. electorate remained flat since the 2012 election. Here are some key takeaways from the Census Bureau’s report, the data source with the most comprehensive demographic and statistical portrait of U.S. voters.
The black voter turnout rate declined for the first time in 20 years in a presidential election, falling to 59.6% in 2016 after reaching a record-high 66.6% in 2012. The 7-percentage-point decline from the previous presidential election is the largest on record for blacks. (It’s also the largest percentage-point decline among any racial or ethnic group since white voter turnout dropped from 70.2% in 1992 to 60.7% in 1996.) The number of black voters also declined, falling by about 765,000 to 16.4 million in 2016, representing a sharp reversal from 2012. With Barack Obama on the ballot that year, the black voter turnout rate surpassed that of whites for the first time. Among whites, the 65.3% turnout rate in 2016 represented a slight increase from 64.1% in 2012.
This was the first presidential election since the voting rights bill was gutted. So a decline is not necessarily black folks sitting it out by choice. HOWEVER, people, myself included sounded the alarm about republicans cheating, that a win for Hillary was not assured, and it fell on deaf ears. People felt comfortable with their protests votes and calls not to vote at all, because they felt Hillary would win over Trump in large margins. She lost, and now the most vocal ones are angry and upset that Trump won and all the stuff he is doing, but they helped ensure his win.
Even in the recent Va Elections, the reports were that the demographics were about the same, but a lot of votes that were third party in the presidential election last time went to the dem. They also had the voting break down. If only white men voted, the dem would have lost. If only white women voted, the dem would have lost. It is the PoC who help get dems over the margin of votes needed to win. It is PoC who are targeted in voter suppression efforts. Sitting out or voting third party when the third party candidate is not viable is just helping them out.
Normally it doesn't matter as much because the person in the other party will be competent, or at the very least sane, but the danger inherent in a DT presidency was evident from the start, and for the life of me I don't understand why people could not see this.
I don't blame blacks not voting for Trumps win, but I do blame those of us blacks who did not vote at all for not exercising their right to vote. Our history and people died for that right and I think it's inexplicable for someone of color who can vote, do not vote. It's the equivalent of a group killing your family member and then you later aid that group to continue the slaughter of your people.
Dems are winning elections. So if they are in power locally when the new electoral maps are drawn, there is a chance. Plus the SCOTUS may have a ruling on gerrymandering by then. Also people are pissed and more may come out with the Mueller investigation. A lot of new dems are running because they were so pissed about Trump and the GOP, so the is new energy going into the party via candidates. Plus I'm sure there will be more fuckery to emerge from the DT administration. All is not lost.
Seems we can both agree there were many aspects as to why Trump won, and just as many aspects as to why he shouldn't have won. Lots of blame to go around.
I think that folks around here think that because were are addressing the ones AROUND HERE who happen to be black and said not to vote and voting doesn't matter, that we are shifting and applying blame to black folks in general. That is not the case. I'm speaking to the ones who said not to vote, vote third party and voting doesn't matter. Saying well if allll the black folks voted, she still wouldn't have won is BS. It's not even so much about black folks but dems in general who voted third party. All those Berniestans trashing Hillary AFTER she won the nomination, using Russian talking points at that. Bernie refusing to unify people until an extended time after the primary was decided, and then only half-assing it. But we needed to do our part also, and if they were one of the anti-vote/third party vote crowd, they didn't do theirs.
Once the primary was over, it was up to us (dems) to choose the best candidate who had a chance to defeat Trump. We had Susan Sarandon saying Hillary was more dangerous than Trump, and sitting comfortably wealthy on her ass taking about DT would bring revolution, with no regard for the people who would be hurt by policies he can enact in the meantime in order to get this revolution. Just foolishness from other prominent dems who were initially Bernie supporters as well. Healthcare is still in danger, and will continue to be so as long as there is a republican in office. The only silver lining is that thanks to the GOP being so corrupt, a lot of them will end up exposed via Mueller's investigation.
I'm informally keeping track of the fuckery we are getting bestowed with thanks to the mindset of Trump will shake things up, Hillary was a flawed candidate, and we need to teach dems to put up better people:
http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?threads/official-both-parties-are-the-same-thread.967894/
When I see a shift in independents I will have some hope. It will take a significant turnout in 2018 to not lose ground.
I have yet to see any Stein/non voter say they messed up.
THIS
Really needs emphasis
You can have all 40 million black people could of voted for Hilary and she still would of loss the election.
It's funny,how folks complain about the black voters,who didn't vote,but turn around and complain about the black people that voted for Jill Stein.
Which one is it,you want people to vote or not,because if someone is not voting you Hilary titty suckers will complain and if someone voted for a third party,yall complain about that.
Voting for a third party and voting period is a fucking choice,there is no law saying a person has to vote Republican or Democrat or vote period.
The black people that voted for Jill Stein and didn't vote should be the last thing people should point the fingers at.
58% of white people voted for Trump
29% of Asians voted for Trump
29% of Hispanics voted for Trump
37% of non-black people voted for Trump
But,somehow everyone always say people of color have to stick together and all this other bullshit yet those groups voted for that piece of shit in office.
This is why,I have no fucking sympathy for other groups,because they want to be white or at least be honorary white people so badly yet want us to save them whenever they get a taste of white supremacy.
IMO independents lean right and more conservative just not full on batshit crazy
Democrats for having a shitty campaign
White people for voting Trump in office
Other groups of people for voting for Trump in office
coons for voting for Trump in office
And,maybe just maybe the non-voters/third party voters are the blame.
Around here,folks want to ignore that white people and the other groups voted for Trump.
White people for voting Trump in office
Other groups of people for voting for Trump in office
coons for voting for Trump in office
And,maybe just maybe the non-voters/third party voters are the blame.
Around here,folks want to ignore that white people and the other groups voted for Trump.
You can choose to cast your vote anyway you like, but don't complain about Trump being elected, or any policies that get passed or any racists that get appointed, or any rights or protections that get rolled back. There was no way in hell that any of those third party candidates had a chance to win.
Say what you want about the GOP. But they understand obtaining and maintaining power and will back a candidate no matter what. I'm not just on this forum complaining about how dems voted. I'm part of other voting blocs as well. So I'm also on a dedicated Christian forum talking about the disaster of a president we have because the way they voted and their BS rationalizations they have for doing it. They don't want to learn from their mistakes, either.
I really wish the members here would pay attention to your signature because it truly captures why we lost. Unfortunately there exist members who will never criticize nor point their fingers back towards us especially when we're wrong. Why I'll never know because there's always a reason why a loss occurs. An you should want to examine why so it doesn't happen again. We can look to place blame wherever but collectively we all contributed to the failure. Russia was just icing on the cake.
Sometimes it is us but you can't be afraid to find that answer nor will you ever fix it without knowing. Many speaking don't want to change anything. They don't care enough to vote, will even tell others don't waste your time voting. Not everyone with an afro, or dark skin is black. True blackness comes from the heart.
Some of what is said is very subtle designed to encourage people to do nothing take that road that offers losses time and time again. It also makes me think about their real purposes and motives. Are they just here to distract? Don't think Russia would be above attacking us. We take far too much for granted. We're 12 to 13% of the population, if I'm looking to cause chaos in a country I'm avoiding nobody.
We have our share of Neo's but they haven't yet been awakened. I always try to be real about what I see. Ignoring the truth only sets us into a position to fail. You would think we would be anxious to get a win and like the other side damn near be ready to do whatever it takes to get that win. But where's our focus?
As for the next election Hillary she remains a flawed candidate and IMO incapable of winning (unlikely she'll run), Joe Biden I feel missed his shot last year, Elizabeth Warren as I see it is the present heart of the Democratic party. She's a fighter and if you notice few mess with her. The democratic party is weak but the republicans have issues too. The Democrats need new leadership and fresh new blood and they need to understand you don't win elections avoiding portions of the US population. An let's not ignore Bernie, he too was a major reason why Trump won. On a straight up vote Hillary or Bernie would've won but not splitting the vote.
As I've said time and again we as a people need to come together. Just because you don't agree with someone's view that doesn't make them a coon. Calling someone a coon is no different than a white man calling a black man a ni__er. Its a difference of opinion nothing more.
We are a fragmented race and we need to understand there's an agenda that's aimed at reducing our numbers. Those behind that agenda are the one's making it easy to buy guns and drugs into our neighborhoods. They're putting racist cops into areas neighborhoods dominated by blacks. (Sorry Camille but you know it happens)
We can go on and on about why but IMO we need to start preparing NOW. Fix the errors we made last time around. We pretty much know what needs to be addressed. Once our people understand what happened and elect to correct those problem areas we'll be alright.
An we really need to stop blaming others from our shortcomings. Blaming Obama because we didn't get reparations is our biggest failure. Your average 7th grader knows legislation changes start from the bottom up. Of the 8 years Obama was in office I heard of no one who presented a bill to congress that addressed reparations. Yet many blamed Obama. Changes start from the bottom and must be worked to the top. If anyone had presented a bill and managed to get it through both houses of congress, I guarantee you Obama would've signed that bill in a heartbeat. He can't sign what hasn't hit his desk.
Bottom line we need to wake the hell up and get ourselves into the game and stop looking to blame others for our shortcomings.
Preach! Both the democrats and our people need to address and correct.
Democrats won't take any personal fucking responsibility for the fucked up election. They will scream Russia, white women, and whatever the fuck else to take away from them fucking it up with that boring, old, ugly, fake ass bitch Hillary.
Funny. Democrats weren't screaming
"white women" when Obama won with white women voting against him two fucking times. Just admit the campaign was shit and the wrong candidate was forced on us. Cats tried to tell the diehards that folks didn't fuck with Hillary like that. Stop listening to Californians. California democrats don't really represent the democrats in the rest of the country.
Let's cut the shit. Ask all the diehards do they think Obama would have won against Trump. Anyone who says 'no' is full of shit. So if Obama would have won, why all the excuses for the old hag?
bush got 45% when he ranWhat's telling is that Trump got right around 30 percent of the Latino vote and these ride-or-die democrats still run around with that 'people of color' fuck shit. They quiet as fuck about the Latino vote. A big part of his campaign was based off going against their(yes, it is their issue) of illegal immigration. It's crazy when they showed hispanics who voted for him having their people deported.
They'll talk about black voters. They talk about white voters. But it'swhen it comes to the Latino vote.