Building a family legacy and reputation is a inferiority complex? It seems he learned from his father's mistakes and rebuilt their family name.
Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?
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Y'all really hate women. You guys hate Cersei but will give Jamie a pass even though he has cosigned and let Cersei do all the shit you hate her for
On the subject of Littlefinger I got an angle no one else has brought up....If Bran is learning to be the 3 eyed raven...and in his own words "can see everything that's happened to everyone".....won't he be able to see al of Littlefingers treachery that started this whole thing and get him killed??????
Naw, little finger is insignificant in the big picture, he wants to tell Jon he will probably fuck his aunt.
To let him know his lineage most likely.
And also he could be trying to tell him everything too.
Little finger could be significant we don't know Bran does though.
You are letting all your 'book knowledge' confuse what you are actually seeing on the tv show.
Tyrion asked him (in a sacrcastic tone): "So THAT's why you did it? To SAVE lives?"
Tywin telling Tyrion to.... 'Go write a song about the Starks'.... was not a REBUKE.
Look up the word Rebuke in the dictionary. By definition... A Rebuke is a 'harsh criticism'.
It's an expression of sharp disapproval, or criticism.
That's definitely not what that comment was.
Tywin was 'sarcastically mocking' the Starks with that 'Go write a song...' comment.
If Tywin's WHOLE INTENTION for talking to Tyrion was to REBUKE him for 'neglecting his duties'... they both would have been TALKING ABOUT SANSA THE WHOLE TIME.
Not discussing the Red Wedding. If Tyrion was slacking so badly.... why would Tywin only begin to mention Sansa for the very first... as he is walking away from the table? Hmm?
At the 5:20 mark... Tywin says: "Roose Bolton is now Warden of the North... until your son from Sansa comes of age... I believe you still have some work to do on that score"... then immediately gets up & turns his back. (Translation = this convo is done. Get out
but Tyrion keeps the conversation going by discussing Sansa some more)On the TV Show, it's clear that Tywin (sometimes) likes to listen to Tyrion's 'perspective' on things.
But Tywin mostly talks to Tyrion.... TO FURTHER HIS OWN AGENDA.
He INTENTIONALLY USES Tyrion... TO CARRY OUT HIS 'MASTER PLANS'.
Here's another example...
He tends to 'listen' to Tyrion... just in case he has something 'worthwhile' to say...
Then BARKS orders at him... in order to further his own agenda.
On the contrary, I see the plot & characters VERY clearly.
Between the 2 of us.... YOU are the only person who has a very 'hard time'.... SEPARATING... fiction from reality.
Movies like 'Gladiator' & 'Saving Private Ryan' are ALSO based on 'Historical Events'... but I don't need to know all the little details of the 'specific historical events'.... in order to follow the plot, or understand the motivations of the characters.
Because it's..... just a movie. Not real-life.
There's NO NEED to apply 'real context'.... to a 'WORK of FICTION'.
They are 2 separate things ENTIRELY.
Fiction requires a 'suspension of disbelief'.
'Real Context' does not... Because it is based on FACTS.... not someone's imagination.
None of this shit is REAL, bruh.
It's just a TV Show.That's why my understanding of words & concepts like 'murderous', 'sadistic' and 'pragmatic' are CRYSTAL CLEAR.
Because I don't confuse 'how they are applied' or 'what they actually mean' in the real-word..... and in fantasy-land... like you do.
See above. I covered this already.
You are in DENIAL..... He did.
And Oberyn knew it... just like everyone else who doesn't confuse Fiction with Reality knows it.
Except you.So here's the difference between us....
According to You...
- Tywin 'cares enough' to tell Tyrion to rape Sansa to produce an heir... if it is necessary.
- But he doesn't 'care enough' to command the Mountain to rape Elia Martell.... He just wants her dead.
According to Me....
- Tywin ORDERS people to RAPE, on his behalf... and he's done it more than ONCE.
(i.e. Tyrion & the Mountain )- Because Tywin is a sadistic & murderous savage... deep down inside... beneath all his 'dignified' mannerisms.
You posted that Tywin didn't care 'HOW' she died.... while completely ignoring the fact that 'getting raped'... was a 'BIG part of her death'.
But I said: "Tywin DID order the Mountain to rape her.... and kill her"
Hey, Guess what? Lady Olenna just died in the last episode.... and Jamie giving her a bottle of poison... was a 'BIG part of her death'.
Just like the Mountain 'raping' Elia Martell right before she died... was a 'BIG part of her death' also."All the pieces matter".... when you are talking about 'Tywin's motivations.... and whether or not he would have had the audacity to command a Bannerman to rape a woman, before killing her.
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You are letting all your 'book knowledge' confuse what you are actually seeing on the tv show.
Tyrion asked him (in a sacrcastic tone): "So THAT's why you did it? To SAVE lives?"
Tywin telling Tyrion to.... 'Go write a song about the Starks'.... was not a REBUKE.
Look up the word Rebuke in the dictionary. By definition... A Rebuke is a 'harsh criticism'.
It's an expression of sharp disapproval, or criticism.
If his WHOLE INTENTION for talking to Tyrion was to REBUKE him for 'neglecting his duties'... they both would have been TALKING ABOUT SANSA THE WHOLE TIME.
If Tyrion was slacking so badly.... why would Tywin mention Sansa for the very first... as he is walking away from the table? Hmm?
At the 5:20 mark... Tywin says: "Roose Bolton is now Warden of the North... until your son from Sansa comes of age... I believe you still have some work to do on that score"... then immediately gets up & turns his back. (Translation = this convo is done. Get out
On the TV Show, it's clear that Tywin (sometimes) likes to listen to Tyrion's 'perspective' on things.
But Tywin mostly talks to Tyrion.... TO FURTHER HIS OWN AGENDA.
He INTENTIONALLY USES Tyrion... TO CARRY OUT HIS 'MASTER PLANS'.
Here's another example...
He tends to 'listen' to Tyrion... in case he has something 'worthwhile' to say... Then BARKS orders at him... to further his own agenda.
On the contrary, I see the plot & characters VERY clearly.
Between the 2 of us.... YOU are the only person who has a very 'hard time'.... SEPARATING... fiction from reality.
Movies like 'Gladiator' & 'Saving Private Ryan' are ALSO based on 'Historical Events'... but I don't need to know all the little details of the 'specific historical events'.... in order to follow the plot, or understand the motivations of the characters.
Because it's..... just a movie. Not real-life.
There's NO NEED to apply 'real context'.... to a 'WORK of FICTION'.
They are 2 separate things ENTIRELY.
Fiction requires a 'suspension of disbelief'.
'Real Context' does not... Because it is based on FACTS.... not someone's imagination.
None of this shit is REAL, bruh.
That's why my understanding of words & concepts like 'murderous', 'sadistic' and 'pragmatic' are CRYSTAL CLEAR.
Because I don't confuse 'how they are applied' or 'what they actually mean' in the real-word..... and in fantasy-land... like you do.
See above. I covered this already.
You are in DENIAL..... He did.
And Oberyn knew it... just like everyone else who doesn't confuse Fiction with Reality knows it.
So here's the difference between us....
According to You...
- Tywin 'cares enough' to tell Tyrion to rape Sansa to produce an heir... if it is necessary.
- But he doesn't 'care enough' to command the Mountain to rape Elia Martell.... He just wants her dead.
According to Me....
- Tywin ORDERS people to RAPE, on his behalf... and he's done it more than ONCE.
- Because Tywin is a sadistic & murderous savage... deep down inside... beneath all his 'dignified' mannerisms.
You posted that Tywin didn't care 'HOW' she died.... while completely ignoring the fact that 'getting raped'... was a 'BIG part of her death'.
But I said: "Tywin DID order the Mountain to rape her.... and kill her"
Hey, Guess what? Lady Olenna just died in the last episode.... and Jamie giving her a bottle of poison... was a 'BIG part of her death'.
"All the pieces matter".... when you are talking about 'Tywin's motivations.... and whether or not he would have had the audacity to command a Bannerman to rape a woman, before killing her.
hey - you and I will never see this the same way...
so we'll continue to argue this some more up to the series end
I also want to say Meera is the most underrated Character on the show right now.
She gets no credit or mention for keeping a crippled psychic alive long enough to make it back to his family
She gets no credit or mention for keeping a crippled psychic alive long enough to make it back to his family
@largebillsonlyplease right. She successfully escaped the fucking White Walkers in enhanced battle mode. Which reminds me...what's up with the rider that saved them!?! Where he at!!! I'm thinking it's Benjin Stark.
Is her father still alive?
Plus. He can walk for miles and live in a citadel of pious men and stay fat AF.
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Tywin was the smartest man on the show.
Yup
And Ben is out there trying to fight the white walkers he's going to link up with them when it comes to that imo.
For now he's patrolling and doing his best with the magic the fairies gave him
It's a mystery as far as I know. I'm not gonna search for spoilers
I do know that her father is Howland Reed. The dude who stabbed Ser Arthur Dane in the neck at the tower of Joy when he whooped everybody ass including Ned's when they went to rescue Jon's mother.
Man it's so cruel how Bran is paralyzed he clearly had a knack for climbing and was not afraid of heights at all.
should've listened to his momma.
should've listened to his momma.
Nobody is hating women by hating Cersei man... Geez, you love her... Ok... We don't lol. People have brought up the bad shit Jamie has done many times. GRRM and the show runners have also written him as partially redeemed by having him risk his life when he saved Brienne and stopping her from getting gang raped. Cersi has not done anything to redeem herself. Don't blame us, blame GRRM.
Y'all really hate women. You guys hate Cersei but will give Jamie a pass even though he has cosigned and let Cersei do all the shit you hate her for
Y'all really hate women. You guys hate Cersei but will give Jamie a pass even though he has cosigned and let Cersei do all the shit you hate her for
Hate Cersi? You been reading my comments? I'm Cersi #1 fan around here
Just saying man, cats on here acting like she is the worst person on the show. In the first episode didn't Ed Stark cut off a innocent man's head for running from the white walkers, dude wasn't a coward or anything but if you see some zombies coming you better get the fuck outta there.
And I always been vocal about how much I HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE THE Starks!!!!
Any time something bad happens to one of them I look at my TV like this
and I say "good"Ned did what the law of that land demanded he do. You go awol from the watch, you lose your head. Harsh, but it's the law and it's what that guy knew was the penalty. Notice he didn't beg for his life... he straight up said, "I know I broke my oath and I should have gone back to the wall". The other guy even said "if you want to run away south, run away, but of course they will behead you as a deserter". He could have ran back north but he ran south when he knew he should have gone north back to the wall. We all know that Ned was too much about honor and rules, but let's not act like he did it out of cruelty or vengance... he did it because it was what the law said he had to do as warden of the north... and he was obviously not happy about it. Cersei blew up hundreds, maybe thousands of people and was smiling, sippin on gin and juice
No. You are reaching in several key points.
Tywin was in denial about his kids fucking.
Tywin was NOT going to kill Tyrion.
Tywin was in denial about his kids fucking.
Tywin was NOT going to kill Tyrion.
As far as Tywin was concerned..... Tyrion was never needed.
The whole deal about 'sending Tyrion to the Wall' was made ENTIRELY FOR JAMIE
Watch the clip. Listen to how Tywin sets up the Deal so damn fast... Because Tywin was several steps ahead of Jamie.
And watch Jamie's facial reaction (from the 1:35 mark to 2:05 mark) as he realizes that Tywin had PLANNED it all out.
Tywin KNEW Jamie was eventually going to 'beg for mercy' for his little brother.... and he used that Love against him & outsmarted him.
Listen to the Deal.
Once Jamie takes his cloak off. That's it. No more Kingsguard. It's Over. Tywin gets exactly what he wants.
So the other half of the deal (ie Tyrion actually joining the Night's Watch)... is MOOT.
It takes OVER A WHOLE MONTH to travel from Kings Landing to Winterfell.. and even longer to reach The Wall.
Jamie is supposed to remove his cloak... BEFORE... Tyrion actually ARRIVES at the Wall. (Keyword: Arrive)
The deal was not dependent on Tyrion... 'Arriving at the Wall'.
It was dependent on Tyrion... 'Leaving Kings Landing'
That's the key difference. That's how you know that Tywin was going to kill Tyrion.
Because he made 'no guarantees' (nor did he ensure) that Tyrion would ARRIVE SAFELY at the Wall.
Tywin only wanted Jamie to remove his White Cloak... voluntarily.
Once that happens, all bets are off.
Once Jamie takes his White Cloak off... Tywin does not CARE what happens to Tyrion the DAY AFTER he leaves Kings Landing... or a MONTH after he's been gone.
Whoever was 'escorting' Tyrion probably would've killed him after a day (or 2) on the road.
Then they would've turned around & headed right back to Kings Landing.
And by that time.... Jamie could do nothing about it.
Because he would no longer be a member of the KingsGuard.
Ummmm... no. He did not.
Tywin heard 'rumors' about Jamie & Cersei... and lived completely in denial.
He never ONCE thought ANY of those 'rumors' were True.
Skip to the 4:00 min mark.
You think Tywin was gonna let Tyrion… ‘live out the rest of his days at the Wall’, huh?
Wait. Lemme guess....
It musta been when Tywin put Tyrion on the FRONTLINE of a War
… in order to KEEP HIM ALIVE. Shheeeiiittt..... that was a 'dead giveaway' that Tywin had NO intention of ever killing him.
The Truth is... Tywin was just preparing Tyrion for his inevitable (one-way) trip to the Wall someday.
Sure, I get it.
The message Tywin sent.... was 'Crystal Clear'. 
There are laws in Westeros dude.
If you take the black, you cant leave the wall.
If you do, the sentence is death.
Ned Stark didnt do it for any personal gain. In fact it brought him no pleasure at all. As lord of Winterfell he was all about duty.
U buggin idk why yall keep saying this Tywin woulda let Tyrion die with the quickness that's why he was fuckin his bitch even had the bitch testify to seal the deal
No he would not, Even though he didnt like Tyrion he cared about the Lannister name too much to let his namesake to die like that. Tyrion was suppose to be sent to the wall.
Yup, that's why Tywin sent his namesake to the Frontline of a War.... because its not dangerous at all, in the Vanguard.
Tywin cared so much about 'The Family Name'... that he sent Tyrion to the Frontlines... instead of standing out front himself.
Lemme guess, because he wanted Tyrion to die a 'War Hero'
Right?Sure, that makes sense.
Yup, that's why Tywin sent his namesake to the Frontline of a War.... because its not dangerous at all, in the Vanguard.
Tywin cared so much about 'The Family Name'... that he sent Tyrion to the Frontlines... instead of standing out front himself.
Lemme guess, because he wanted Tyrion to die a 'War Hero'
Sure, that makes sense.
Tywinn would have spun his death on the front lines as a testimony to the courage of the Lannister Lion name
BTW since Tyrion's marriage to Sansa was never annulled aren't they still legally married ?
Well you might be right... it's debatable.
All I'm saying is... if that's the case... and the Lannisters are so courageous... why doesn't Tywin himself fight on the frontlines.. and lead by example?
(I doubt Tywin would want everyone to think his own midget Imp son.... has 'more balls' than he does.
)If anything, Jamie is the 'frontline' soldier of the family.
No question.Tywin is the... 'giving commands from the hilltop, in the background' type of dude. (Like Ramsay Bolton was)
And Tyrion is the... 'I shouldn't even be here on a battlefield'... member of the family.
So he's not the guy Tywin wants everyone to remember as being the 'most courageous' off the family tree.
That makes everyone else look 'weak as hell'.
(Because years later, people would say "Tyrion had all the brains AND all the heart, in that family. More than his punk ass Father & Brother who just stabbed Kings in the back."
)Btw, Since Tyrion and Sansa never 'consummated' their marriage... it doesn't really count. It's like they were never (officially) married.
I think that's 'how it works' in Westeros.
Margery Tyrell married Joffrey, but he died right after the wedding ceremony, during the reception... and nobody ever considered HER to be the rightful queen, instead of Cersei.
So you probably gotta finish the 'bedding ceremony' to make the marriage 'complete'.
Just my opinion.
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Y'all bugging. Tywnn would have let Tyrion die if didn't go to the wall.
He wouldn't even save him from the moon door people.
Just cause he doesn't have it out for Tyrion like Cersi, doesn't mean he gives a fuck about him. The whole trial was proof of that
He wouldn't even save him from the moon door people.
Just cause he doesn't have it out for Tyrion like Cersi, doesn't mean he gives a fuck about him. The whole trial was proof of that
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