Game Of Thrones: The Sopranos with swords or Dynasty in chainmail?

[crossovernegro]

True, although Myrcella's character wasn't fleshed out at all on the tv show, so it's hard to really tell... but she did seem happy as a clam over in Dorne, lol.

Now Tywin was known as and is looked back at as a bad guy, but he wasn't prone to overkill like Cersei. He was mean, and he also hated Tyrion, but I think because he wasn't needlessly cruel and more all business, like Stannis, they get more begrudging respect, even after the really bad things they did. Like when he rode up to that castle where Arya/Arry, Gendry and Hot Pie were being held captive, he immediately put a stop to the torture, saved Gendry from death, and saved Arya from Poliver and gave her a nod of respect for being smart, etc. I think Cersei lacks that all business gene and wouldn't have handled it like him.

She hates him because she is just like her father who hated him. Cersei is Tywin through and through.

Each of her kids got a piece of her personality that was the dominating factor in their lives
Cersei's longing for power went to her daughter who was down to do whatever in order to be a princess, even live in Dorne away from everyone
Tomnen was always looking for approval from his mom. Always stuck on what his mom wanted for the longest time up until he got married, like Cersei vied for the approval of Tywin
Joffrey was her sadistic side on steroids which we see every single time she has the upper hand and can inflict harm on someone. Cersei was so turned on after exacting revenge that she immediately ran into Jamie's arms.
I seem to recall Joffrey needing to do extracurricular shit to prostitutes in order to be "Excited"

Each one of her traits is eventually what led to her children's deaths.
and yet she's here.

 

[crossovernegro]

Varys was shook. When she walked away he was probably like ...."um... hol up bitch...what the fuck did you mean by that shit?!?.... bitch don't walk away while I"m talkin to you!!!!"

There is much more behind those words....true indeed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.va...n-varys-season-7-episode-3-queens-justice/amp

 

[ViCiouS]

She hates him because she is just like her father who hated him. Cersei is Tywin through and through.

Each of her kids got a piece of her personality that was the dominating factor in their lives
Cersei's longing for power went to her daughter who was down to do whatever in order to be a princess, even live in Dorne away from everyone
Tomnen was always looking for approval from his mom. Always stuck on what his mom wanted for the longest time up until he got married, like Cersei vied for the approval of Tywin
Joffrey was her sadistic side on steroids which we see every single time she has the upper hand and can inflict harm on someone. Cersei was so turned on after exacting revenge that she immediately ran into Jamie's arms.
I seem to recall Joffrey needing to do extracurricular shit to prostitutes in order to be "Excited"

Each one of her traits is eventually what led to her children's deaths.
and yet she's here.

Cersei is nothing like Tywin
Tywin was never written in books or portrayed on TV as sadistic nor impatient nor murderous - he did not love Tyrion - shitted on him, was incredibly cruel but never tried to kill him or shown to take pleasure in inflicting pain on anyone

In books they do a better job of highlighting the greatest tragedy of Tywin and Tyrion - intellectually they are the same person- enough so that 1 or two characters have stated that Tyrion is truly Tywin's intellectual heir,
On TV they only alluded to it with Tywin being hundreds of miles away but mirroring the strategic alliances that Tyrion made in King's Landing

 

[stretchwallz]

I don't get what Cersei has done to deserve all this hate. She is a fighter and isn't the type to sit back and let some other hoe take her place.

• She killed her best friend when they were just children. Threw her down a water well
• She sexually and physically abused Tyrion when he was a baby and she was eight (Oberyn tells Tyrion that he saw Cersei "twist your cock until you screamed" when he was a newborn).
• 
  
  
• She grew up rich, never missed a meal, went to bed every night warm and safe right up to her wedding night.
• Ceresi was complicit in the attempted murder of Bran Stark.
• She was responsible for the unjust execution of Sansa's direwolf Lady.
• She arranged the death of her husband King Robert Baratheon, which significantly destabilizes the kingdom
• Not only did she pass off incest babies as the king's (treason punishable by death) she even aborted the child she concieved with Robert
• She also ordered the deaths of Robert's innocent illegitimate children (including at least three babies)
• 
  
  
• Kidnapping and having Tyrion's whore beaten...and screwing it up because she had the wrong whore beaten.
• Her great love for Jamie only lasted as long as she saw him as an extension of herself. The minute he wasn't perfect (minus a hand), her love died.
• She convinced Jamie to join Kingsguard so he could never marry(very sick and manipulative, when you think about it, even apart from the incest
• She's ignorant of history, she gave power to the Faith Militant without understanding the danger of religious dogmatism
• 
  
  
• She sees herself as a victim, looks down on everyone, in spite of the fact that the majority of her problems were caused by her actions or by her family.
• In her mind the Lannisters are superior to others even though they are clearly dysfunctional.
• She's an arrogant entitled rich girl that complains about how rough her life is... with a Joseph Stalin level of paranoia (due to a prophecy)
• She released an atomic bomb in Kings Landing, killing hundreds of innocent bystanders at the Sept of Baelor
• According to reports from Lancel and Robert she refuses to swallow and is silent during intercourse
• 

 

[ViCiouS]

• According to reports from Lancel and Robert she refuses to swallow and is silent during intercourse

that alone is enough to deserve death!

• She released an atomic bomb in Kings Landing, killing hundreds of innocent bystanders at the Sept of Baelor

that blast also destroyed houses and buildings around the Sept killing many regular people

 

[godmc]

Idgaf what y'all think about Cersei.

#RAW

 

[crossovernegro]

Oh she'd get the hate fuck

Idgaf what y'all think about Cersei.

#RAW

 

[dawilleyone]

Who makes it to the end of GOT. I don't mean who's still alive at the end of the last episode, but like who's really makes it to the climax of the story which ends with the Battle of the Living vs the Dead or the clear winner of the Iron throne.

My list is

• Jamie - He's got to do something very close to the end to re-deem himself completely, but probably does not make it the last episode.
• Arya - She will live, but won't have a home and ends up back at the Faceless man HQ
• Sam - Sam will live if for no other reason to tell the story.
• Tyrion - He will make it cause popularity and ratings
• Jon/Danny - One of these two will make it,but not both. I'm leaning towards Jon as the series really is centered around him at this point.
• Bran will make it but he will be in a tree, so that's a bit of a toss up
• Sansa will make it only if Jon dies - Someone's got to carry on the Stark lineage

Everyone else (Littlefinger, Varys, Melisandre, Cersei, Grey Worm, Messandei, Euron, Yara, The Hound)

Davos is the one I'm unsure about. He's made it this far by being the loyal but honest to whoever he serves. I think the writers count on him providing a bit of humour from time to time. and Righteous anger too. But unlike the others in the survivor list, I can't seem him having a DIRECT impact on the end game. Toss up on Davos.

 

[futureshock]

They are going in kinda hard on ya boy......Raven-Bran.











"During an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Isaac Hempstead-Wright — who plays Bran — explained the drastic impact this influx of power had on his character. "It’s like imagining you have all of space and time in your head," he said. "Bran is existing in thousands of planes of existence at any one time. So it’s quite difficult for Bran to have any kind of semblance of personality anymore because he’s really like a giant computer."

Some fans even see Bran's current condition as a state of shock. "Bran's head has been overloaded. The Three-Eyed Raven stated quite explicitly that Bran was not ready for this, but due to Bran's dumb childish move [of being marked by the Night King], he now has to take on the history of the world as an unprepared teenager," wrote Reddit user fullforce098. "He has a constant stream of information pouring into his head, and it's addled him. He isn't behaving like normal because he isn't himself right now. He's discombobulated, spitting out information when something triggers a memory he's downloaded because that's all he can think to do."

http://time.com/4882189/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-sansa-three-eyed-raven/

 

[LSN]

They are going in kinda hard on ya boy......Raven-Bran.











"During an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Isaac Hempstead-Wright — who plays Bran — explained the drastic impact this influx of power had on his character. "It’s like imagining you have all of space and time in your head," he said. "Bran is existing in thousands of planes of existence at any one time. So it’s quite difficult for Bran to have any kind of semblance of personality anymore because he’s really like a giant computer."

Some fans even see Bran's current condition as a state of shock. "Bran's head has been overloaded. The Three-Eyed Raven stated quite explicitly that Bran was not ready for this, but due to Bran's dumb childish move [of being marked by the Night King], he now has to take on the history of the world as an unprepared teenager," wrote Reddit user fullforce098. "He has a constant stream of information pouring into his head, and it's addled him. He isn't behaving like normal because he isn't himself right now. He's discombobulated, spitting out information when something triggers a memory he's downloaded because that's all he can think to do."

http://time.com/4882189/game-of-thrones-bran-stark-sansa-three-eyed-raven/

ya man...all jokes aside that scene was really sad...what should've been a "joyous" reunion was a bitter reminder of what the stark children have been thru...it really hurts to watch the first ep of the series and seeing the starks as a happy family...fucked up that bran being pushed out a window and crippled was probably the least fucked up thing they had to endure...I care about these characters way more than I should esp. for a fantasy series...def a testament to martin's characterization of them

 

[Amajorfucup]

And dont forget she was complicit in Joffrey being a demented, murdering sociopath..

 

[dbrizzz]

• She killed her best friend when they were just children. Threw her down a water well
• She sexually and physically abused Tyrion when he was a baby and she was eight (Oberyn tells Tyrion that he saw Cersei "twist your cock until you screamed" when he was a newborn).
• 
  
  
• She grew up rich, never missed a meal, went to bed every night warm and safe right up to her wedding night.
• Ceresi was complicit in the attempted murder of Bran Stark.
• She was responsible for the unjust execution of Sansa's direwolf Lady.
• She arranged the death of her husband King Robert Baratheon, which significantly destabilizes the kingdom
• Not only did she pass off incest babies as the king's (treason punishable by death) she even aborted the child she concieved with Robert
• She also ordered the deaths of Robert's innocent illegitimate children (including at least three babies)
• 
  
  
• Kidnapping and having Tyrion's whore beaten...and screwing it up because she had the wrong whore beaten.
• Her great love for Jamie only lasted as long as she saw him as an extension of herself. The minute he wasn't perfect (minus a hand), her love died.
• She convinced Jamie to join Kingsguard so he could never marry(very sick and manipulative, when you think about it, even apart from the incest
• She's ignorant of history, she gave power to the Faith Militant without understanding the danger of religious dogmatism
• 
  
  
• She sees herself as a victim, looks down on everyone, in spite of the fact that the majority of her problems were caused by her actions or by her family.
• In her mind the Lannisters are superior to others even though they are clearly dysfunctional.
• She's an arrogant entitled rich girl that complains about how rough her life is... with a Joseph Stalin level of paranoia (due to a prophecy)
• She released an atomic bomb in Kings Landing, killing hundreds of innocent bystanders at the Sept of Baelor
• According to reports from Lancel and Robert she refuses to swallow and is silent during intercourse
• 

What he said!

 

[grownazzblakman]

Cersei is nothing like Tywin
Tywin was never written in books or portrayed on TV as sadistic nor impatient nor murderous - he did not love Tyrion - shitted on him, was incredibly cruel but never tried to kill him or shown to take pleasure in inflicting pain on anyone

In books they do a better job of highlighting the greatest tragedy of Tywin and Tyrion - intellectually they are the same person- enough so that 1 or two characters have stated that Tyrion is truly Tywin's intellectual heir,
On TV they only alluded to it with Tywin being hundreds of miles away but mirroring the strategic alliances that Tyrion made in King's Landing

I disagree with the red part... somewhat.
I cannot speak for the books, (since I never read them) but on the TV Show... Tywin has a REAL grimy side

Agreed, Tywin may not be as 'impatient'.... but he is DEFINITELY just as 'sadistic & murderous' as Cersei is.

But there are 2 major differences between Cersei and Tywin.... on the TV Show, imo.

The 1st major difference is that Tywin does not like to get HIS OWN hands dirty the way Cersei does.

However, anyone who calmly orders a person to 'commit heinous acts of sadistic brutality' on their own behalf... is just as 'sadistic & brutal' as the person who actually does it.

(For example: Tony Soprano would stuff a 'live body' into a wood chipper.... just as quickly as one of his henchmen, like Paulie Walnuts or Furio would do it for him. Don't sleep.)

Season 1 - When Ned's wife seized Tyrion and took him to stand trial in the Vale for attempting to kill Bran at Winterfell... Tywin sent his Bannermen (ie the Mountain) to pillage & burn down all the small towns in the Riverlands, where Catelyn Tully called home. The Mountain killed lots of villagers. And a few survivors came back to Kings Landing & reported all the sadistic acts that were done on behalf of Tywin to Ned Stark when he was sitting (temporarily) on the Iron Throne. (Having someone else 'do it for you'.... is just as bad as 'doing it yourself')



Season 2 - Again, Tywin shows off his 'sadistic & murderous side' at Harrenhal. After Jaqen H'ghar kills Armory Lorch with a poison dart dipped in Wolfsbane... Tywin sends the Mountain out to burn down the local farms & villages in order to reveal where the Brotherhood Without Banners are hiding out. Which keeps him from getting his own hands dirty.

"I don't care if you hanged 100... a man tried to kill me... I want his name & I want his head" - Tywin Lannister

I'd say Hanging 100 innocent people.... definitely qualifies as 'Sadistic & Murderous'.



Season 3 - Tywin lays down his 'A+ Murder Game'... quite flat. When he is interrupted by Tyrion, while writing a letter to Walder Frey to be his "contract killer" in exchange for control of the Riverlands. The result was the Red Wedding, where 2 more of Tywin's henchmen (ie. Walder Frey & Roose Bolton) do his bidding. Leaving his hands clean.





Season 4 - We get introduced to Oberyn Martell, who KNOWS that Tywin ordered the Mountain to rape & kill his Sister and her kids. So in this season, we learn that Tywin had (previously) ordered the rape & killing of the Martell's.... plus he ordered the (recent) execution of his own son... leaving his hands clean, yet again.





The 2nd major difference is that Tywin understood the time, place & need for DIPLOMACY much better than Cersei ever, ever will. And he took pride in the general public 'not knowing' that he is the actual person 'behind the scenes' making things happen. Whereas, Cersei takes pride in the general public knowing that SHE is key person 'calling all the shots'..... without using ANY Diplomacy Tactics whatsoever.





To sum up...

• Tywin is the Master of 'Private Executions & Covert Operations'.
• While Cersei is the Master of 'Public Massacre & Widespread Humiliation'.
• And BOTH of them are Equally Savage, but they just use Different Methods.

Just my opinion.

 

[godmc]

After you do a walk of shame you don't just act normal afterwards. Then you want her to accept a trial calmly?
As Kendrick said: Fuck dat.

You guys who hate Cersei can keep the High Sparrow.

 

[godmc]

Oh and fuck Sansa too. Hated dat muddacunt from season 1.

 

[RUDY RAYYY MO]

• She killed her best friend when they were just children. Threw her down a water well
• She sexually and physically abused Tyrion when he was a baby and she was eight (Oberyn tells Tyrion that he saw Cersei "twist your cock until you screamed" when he was a newborn).
• 
  
  
• She grew up rich, never missed a meal, went to bed every night warm and safe right up to her wedding night.
• Ceresi was complicit in the attempted murder of Bran Stark.
• She was responsible for the unjust execution of Sansa's direwolf Lady.
• She arranged the death of her husband
• 

damn you just made me hate the bish more than Joffrey

 

[crossovernegro]

she was fucked up before the naked walk though. What's not to hate?

After you do a walk of shame you don't just act normal afterwards. Then you want her to accept a trial calmly?
As Kendrick said: Fuck dat.

You guys who hate Cersei can keep the High Sparrow.

 

[AllUniverse17]

After you do a walk of shame you don't just act normal afterwards. Then you want her to accept a trial calmly?
As Kendrick said: Fuck dat.

You guys who hate Cersei can keep the High Sparrow.

So she was normal to you before her walk of shame???

 

[BenQ]

 

[shamone]

She hates him because she is just like her father who hated him. Cersei is Tywin through and through.

Each of her kids got a piece of her personality that was the dominating factor in their lives
Cersei's longing for power went to her daughter who was down to do whatever in order to be a princess, even live in Dorne away from everyone
Tomnen was always looking for approval from his mom. Always stuck on what his mom wanted for the longest time up until he got married, like Cersei vied for the approval of Tywin
Joffrey was her sadistic side on steroids which we see every single time she has the upper hand and can inflict harm on someone. Cersei was so turned on after exacting revenge that she immediately ran into Jamie's arms.
I seem to recall Joffrey needing to do extracurricular shit to prostitutes in order to be "Excited"

Each one of her traits is eventually what led to her children's deaths.
and yet she's here.

joffrey killing the prostitute. he wasn't about getting pussy. he was a psychopath that got off torturing and killing people.he could care less about losing his virginity.

 

[dbrizzz]

After you do a walk of shame you don't just act normal afterwards. Then you want her to accept a trial calmly?
As Kendrick said: Fuck dat.

You guys who hate Cersei can keep the High Sparrow.

The walk of shame was her own damn fault!

 

[ViCiouS]

Agreed, Tywin may not be as 'impatient'.... but he is DEFINITELY just as 'sadistic & murderous' as Cersei is.

you really need to look up the definition of sadistic... cause again Tywin was never portrayed as taking pleasure from killing
unlike a smiling giggling laughing Cersi- shit over all the seasons you only see pleasure or mirth from Cersi when she has caused someone else pain

I'd say Hanging 100 innocent people.... definitely qualifies as 'Sadistic & Murderous'.

no - it doesn't - if he took no pleasure in it -it wasn't sadistic - and considering they were in middle of an insurgent war it wasn't murderous- shit by your definition every combat army officer in Vietnam, Dessert Storm and Iraqi freedom is murderous and sadistic

Season 3 - Tywin lays down his 'A+ Murder Game'... quite flat. When he is interrupted by Tyrion, while writing a letter to Walder Frey to be his "contract killer" in exchange for control of the Riverlands. The result was the Red Wedding, where 2 more of Tywin's henchmen (ie. Walder Frey & Roose Bolton) do his bidding. Leaving his hands clean.

Tywin arranged for an alliance with Freys and Boltons and betrayal of Rob and the Tullys- he never ordered a wholesale slaughter and violation of host rights... The outcome of the Red Wedding surprised him - watch the scene when Tyrion tells him the north will not forget this.

Season 4 - We get introduced to Oberyn Martell, who KNOWS that Tywin ordered the Mountain to rape & kill his Sister and her kids. So in this season, we learn that Tywin had (previously) ordered the rape & killing of the Martell's.... plus he ordered the (recent) execution of his own son... leaving his hands clean, yet again.

Tywin ordered the executions not rape... during a coupe against a regent EVERYONE in direct line of succession needs to die- its necessary, no exceptions - its why Cersi was committed to suicide and killing her children during the Blackwater.

Tywin was forced to sentence Tyrion to death - he said it many times previously: he despised Tyrion to no end but all who carry the name Lannister must be untouchable
Tywin had multiple ways to ensure Tyrion wasn't executed but he really wanted to send him to the wall- until Tyrion justifiably blew everything up

 

[TENT]

Well written Reece.

True, although Myrcella's character wasn't fleshed out at all on the tv show, so it's hard to really tell... but she did seem happy as a clam over in Dorne, lol.

Now Tywin was known as and is looked back at as a bad guy, but he wasn't prone to overkill like Cersei. He was mean, and he also hated Tyrion, but I think because he wasn't needlessly cruel and more all business, like Stannis, they get more begrudging respect, even after the really bad things they did. Like when he rode up to that castle where Arya/Arry, Gendry and Hot Pie were being held captive, he immediately put a stop to the torture, saved Gendry from death, and saved Arya from Poliver and gave her a nod of respect for being smart, etc. I think Cersei lacks that all business gene and wouldn't have handled it like him.

 

[Flawless]

joffrey killing the prostitute. he wasn't about getting pussy. he was a psychopath that got off torturing and killing people.he could care less about losing his virginity.

I think that had to do more with the age of the actor, I'm sure if he was older they would have had him fucking and Sansa would have shown her titties

 

[crossovernegro]

@ reece

Well written Reece.

 

[Jay_from_dade]

Had some time to digest the episode, people keep saying Tyrion is a bad war advisor.


But the plan he had was brilliant, Jamie and Cersi just came up with a better one.

Like I said earlier, Little Finger told sansa, something Cersi already knew" Fight all battles everywhere at once"

She basically picked two battles she could win with the help of Eron.

 

[ViCiouS]

Had some time to digest the episode, people keep saying Tyrion is a bad war advisor.


But the plan he had was brilliant, Jamie and Cersi just came up with a better one.

Like I said earlier, Little Finger told sansa, something Cersi already knew" Fight all battles everywhere at once"

She basically picked two battles she could win with the help of Eron.

the military strategy was all Jaime - he didn't give Cersi any credit when talking to Olena

 

[Jay_from_dade]

the military strategy was all Jaime - he didn't give Cersi any credit when talking to Olena

True, I also said early Jamie aint no hoe when it comes to war

 

[godmc]

So she was normal to you before her walk of shame???

Normal? Oh no. Winning? Pretty much never before the end of season 6. To me hating her is too easy. I admire her ruthlessness now particularly after seeing her life prophesied to her with respect to her children.



From the time Robert becomes King and she marries him instead of the prince she is basically fighting against the prophecy.

If someone told you a fucked up prophecy as a teen would you really be normal once it starts playing out later?

 

[godmc]

The walk of shame was her own damn fault!

I would never expect the Queen mother to do a walk of shame. IDGAF who the character is. Likable or not the Queen mother ain't supposed to be doing no damn walk of shame even if everyone saw her commit murder.

This ain't a democracy.

 

[ViCiouS]

I would never expect the Queen mother to do a walk of shame. IDGAF who the character is. Likable or not the Queen mother ain't supposed to be doing no damn walk of shame even if everyone saw her commit murder.

This ain't a democracy.

her dumb ass gave away her power and led to king to think he had to respect the high sparrow
her consequence was the slut walk

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Cersei is nothing like Tywin
Tywin was never written in books or portrayed on TV as sadistic nor impatient nor murderous - he did not love Tyrion - shitted on him, was incredibly cruel but never tried to kill him or shown to take pleasure in inflicting pain on anyone

In books they do a better job of highlighting the greatest tragedy of Tywin and Tyrion - intellectually they are the same person- enough so that 1 or two characters have stated that Tyrion is truly Tywin's intellectual heir,
On TV they only alluded to it with Tywin being hundreds of miles away but mirroring the strategic alliances that Tyrion made in King's Landing

I disagree with the red part... somewhat.
I cannot speak for the books, (since I never read them) but on the TV Show... Tywin has a REAL grimy side

Agreed, Tywin may not be as 'impatient'.... but he is DEFINITELY just as 'sadistic & murderous' as Cersei is.

But there are 2 major differences between Cersei and Tywin.... on the TV Show, imo.

The 1st major difference is that Tywin does not like to get HIS OWN hands dirty the way Cersei does.

However, anyone who calmly orders a person to 'commit heinous acts of sadistic brutality' on their own behalf... is just as 'sadistic & brutal' as the person who actually does it.

(For example: Tony Soprano would stuff a 'live body' into a wood chipper.... just as quickly as one of his henchmen, like Paulie Walnuts or Furio would do it for him. Don't sleep.)

Season 1 - When Ned's wife seized Tyrion and took him to stand trial in the Vale for attempting to kill Bran at Winterfell... Tywin sent his Bannermen (ie the Mountain) to pillage & burn down all the small towns in the Riverlands, where Catelyn Tully called home. The Mountain killed lots of villagers. And a few survivors came back to Kings Landing & reported all the sadistic acts that were done on behalf of Tywin to Ned Stark when he was sitting (temporarily) on the Iron Throne. (Having someone else 'do it for you'.... is just as bad as 'doing it yourself')



Season 2 - Again, Tywin shows off his 'sadistic & murderous side' at Harrenhal. After Jaqen H'ghar kills Armory Lorch with a poison dart dipped in Wolfsbane... Tywin sends the Mountain out to burn down the local farms & villages in order to reveal where the Brotherhood Without Banners are hiding out. Which keeps him from getting his own hands dirty.

"I don't care if you hanged 100... a man tried to kill me... I want his name & I want his head" - Tywin Lannister

I'd say Hanging 100 innocent people.... definitely qualifies as 'Sadistic & Murderous'.



Season 3 - Tywin lays down his 'A+ Murder Game'... quite flat. When he is interrupted by Tyrion, while writing a letter to Walder Frey to be his "contract killer" in exchange for control of the Riverlands. The result was the Red Wedding, where 2 more of Tywin's henchmen (ie. Walder Frey & Roose Bolton) do his bidding. Leaving his hands clean.





Season 4 - We get introduced to Oberyn Martell, who KNOWS that Tywin ordered the Mountain to rape & kill his Sister and her kids. So in this season, we learn that Tywin had (previously) ordered the rape & killing of the Martell's.... plus he ordered the (recent) execution of his own son... leaving his hands clean, yet again.





The 2nd major difference is that Tywin understood the time, place & need for DIPLOMACY much better than Cersei ever, ever will. And he took pride in the general public 'not knowing' that he is the actual person 'behind the scenes' making things happen. Whereas, Cersei takes pride in the general public knowing that SHE is key person 'calling all the shots'..... without using ANY Diplomacy Tactics whatsoever.





To sum up...

• Tywin is the Master of 'Private Executions & Covert Operations'.
• While Cersei is the Master of 'Public Massacre & Widespread Humiliation'.
• And BOTH of them are Equally Savage, but they just use Different Methods.

Just my opinion.

 

[grownazzblakman]

you really need to look up the definition of sadistic... cause again Tywin was never portrayed as taking pleasure from killing
unlike a smiling giggling laughing Cersi- shit over all the seasons you only see pleasure or mirth from Cersi when she has caused someone else pain

Sometimes I wonder if you've been watching the same tv Show as the rest of us.
Watch the WHOLE CLIP I posted below and ask yourself if Tywin 'took no pleasure' in what he did to the Starks at the Red Wedding.

no - it doesn't - if he took no pleasure in it -it wasn't sadistic - and considering they were in middle of an insurgent war it wasn't murderous- shit by your definition every combat army officer in Vietnam, Dessert Storm and Iraqi freedom is murderous and sadistic

I never spoke about every combat officer in Vietnam, Dessert Storm or Iraqi Freedom.

I was only talking about Tywin & Cersei... 2 Fictional TV Characters. NOT real Soldiers.

Watch the WHOLE CLIP I posted below and ask yourself if Tywin 'took no pleasure' in what he did to the Starks at the Red Wedding.

From the 4:00 min mark to the 5:30 mark... Tywin is VERY 'proud of himself' & what he accomplished.
So Yes, I'd say his 'pride' and 'smug demeanor'....... is equivalent to 'taking pleasure' in the violence.

His smug attitude.... is quite sadistic.
That's EXACTLY where Cersei gets her attitude from.
But she takes it to 'new heights'.

Tywin gives you..... a slick 'smirk behind closed doors'.
But Cersei gives you..... 'visible enjoyment written all over her face' in public.

But they BOTH are 'taking pleasure' in their sadistic actions.

Tywin arranged for an alliance with Freys and Boltons and betrayal of Rob and the Tullys- he never ordered a wholesale slaughter and violation of host rights... The outcome of the Red Wedding surprised him - watch the scene when Tyrion tells him the north will not forget this.

^^ You are wrong about all of this.
I suspect you are confusing alot of stuff you read in the books.... with the actual TV show.

Tywin was never 'shocked' by the outcome of the Red Wedding.
That was the outcome he INTENDED to happen from the very beginning.

Yes, Tywin ABSOLUTELY ordered the 'wholesale slaughter' of the Starks.... at the Red Wedding... in complete 'violation of host rights'.

The Stark forces had to take a 'time-out' from fighting in a War.... to hold a 'wedding ceremony' for 1 day.... so they could cross the Frey bridge the very next day... and go right back to fighting a War again.

So in the midst of a War... that Wedding was the ONLY location (and time) that Robb & his whole Army would ever 'let their guard down' long enough to get caught slipping. And Tywin knew it. Because he KNEW Walder Frey would have absolutely no problem having a 'despicable reputation' for violating 'host rights' attached to his family name... if it meant he would control the Riverlands.

Btw, here is the whole scene when the Small Council discusses the aftermath of the Red Wedding.

When Tyrion says "They North will never forget this"... just wait for Tywin's SAVAGE-ASS response.
Then ask yourself whether or not.... he is a 'murderous bastard'... right down to his Bone Marrow.

Tywin ordered the executions not rape... during a coupe against a regent EVERYONE in direct line of succession needs to die- its necessary, no exceptions - its why Cersi was committed to suicide and killing her children during the Blackwater.

If you think Tywin DID NOT KNOW that the Mountain would rape that Martell woman.... You're crazy.

That's like saying...
Tywin ordered Ramsay Bolton to kill someone.... but he had NO IDEA that Ramsay would actually FLAY THEM also.

C'mon, man. He absolutely knew.

Tywin knows ALL the violent habits & heinous brutality his Bannerman are capable of.... Especially the Mountain.

Watch the clip I posted above. Start at the 5:30 mark.
He suggests to Tyrion (in-a-very-indirect-manner) that he should probably "Rape" Sansa, to produce an heir.

That scene ALONE should tell you that Tywin HAS NO QUALMS AT ALL about ordering a 'Rape'.
Either directly. Or indirectly.

Tywin was forced to sentence Tyrion to death - he said it many times previously: he despised Tyrion to no end but all who carry the name Lannister must be untouchable.
Tywin had multiple ways to ensure Tyrion wasn't executed but he really wanted to send him to the wall- until Tyrion justifiably blew everything up

You're not watching the same show.

Tywin was never FORCED to sentence Tyrion to death.... because Tyrion should never have been ON TRIAL in the first place.
Tywin could have SILENCED all of Cersei's 'false accusations' right on the spot. if he wanted to.

But he chose not to.... Because he saw it as a golden opportunity to kill Tyrion after holding a 'rigged trial'... and REMAIN BLAMELESS.

If you think Tywin (for one second) ever had ANY REAL INTENTION of actually 'sending Tyrion to The Wall'.....


"You haven't been paying attention." - Ramsay Bolton

 

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the military strategy was all Jaime - he didn't give Cersi any credit when talking to Olena

Jamie is complex. great strategist now after them L's
love's his sister, can't help who he loves.
Love his brother so that reunion is going to be heartbreaking
but also pushed Bran out the window

 

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Cersei saying stuff that sounds like something Tywin would say don't it?

A dynasty for us then. We're the last Lannister's the last ones who count

I mean she even says at the end "You think I listened to father for 40 years and learned nothing?"