I'm not complaining/ commenting on her lack of experience -
I'm saying that every choice made on the action scenes previewed from stunt choreo to photography seems to be Zack Snyder's work
all of the action in the previews follow Zack's tendencies
Wonder Woman: Discussion thread (spoilers)
- Thread starter ViCiouS
- Start date
I'm saying that every choice made on the action scenes previewed from stunt choreo to photography seems to be Zack Snyder's work
all of the action in the previews follow Zack's tendencies
Damn ViCiouS lived up to his name.
Not only was Iris there,but so was Sara Lance
and Catlin"Killer Frost"Snow
More 'Non-Spoiler' Reviews...
This guy breaks down the choreography, fight scenes and cinematography, without any spoilers. (His more in-depth comments start around the 2:00 min mark... But check out what he says between the 7:00-8:00 min mark)
Credibility was hurt when he mentioned Man Of Steel
all dem other girls should have jus stayed home...
I wasn't speaking on you, I was speaking on him.
The first three who said WW was better than the other DC movies makes me want to see it. I expect that.
Dude who kept comparing it to Captain America 1 and 2 and then acted like it was a toss up with Man Of Steel, makes me question him gushing over it.
And he said it's been the best comic book movie he's seen in a while, which I would follow with...how long are you talking about? We've had two already this year. Because Guardians, yeah I can see that..X-Men Apocalypse, I hope so, but even Logan, Doc Strange, Deadpool and Civil War? That's been the past year.
His review had me
Most of the other reviews i have seen/heard about from Marvel fans claim that WW is the best DC movie since.... 'The Dark Knight' with Heath Ledger. (And some DC fans think its even better.)I wasn't speaking on you, I was speaking on him.
The first three who said WW was better than the other DC movies makes me want to see it. I expect that.
Dude who kept comparing it to Captain America 1 and 2 and then acted like it was a toss up with Man Of Steel, makes me question him gushing over it.
And he said it's been the best comic book movie he's seen in a while, which I would follow with...how long are you talking about? We've had two already this year. Because Guardians, yeah I can see that..X-Men Apocalypse, I hope so, but even Logan, Doc Strange, Deadpool and Civil War?
His review had me
Personally, I expect it will probably be one of the Top 3 (DC) movies ever made - Just my hunch.
I hope so
I mean the bar is low, because they've been mediocre as hell besides Batman
It's like this new Thor being the best. It ain't going to be that hard.
The issue to me is when they knock it out the park the first time, Iron Man, Guardians and Deadpool...what about the follow up...I thought the first five minutes was the best thing about Guardians. It has me worried about Avengers and Deadpool. Of course you have higher expectations also.
EXACTLY!I wasn't speaking on you, I was speaking on him.
The first three who said WW was better than the other DC movies makes me want to see it. I expect that.
Dude who kept comparing it to Captain America 1 and 2 and then acted like it was a toss up with Man Of Steel, makes me question him gushing over it.
And he said it's been the best comic book movie he's seen in a while, which I would follow with...how long are you talking about? We've had two already this year. Because Guardians, yeah I can see that..X-Men Apocalypse, I hope so, but even Logan, Doc Strange, Deadpool and Civil War? That's been the past year.
His review had me
he is all over the place - I checked some his other reviews and now question his taste or ideas of what is a good story
I'm waiting on reviews from girls / guys that I've established a baseline with
Last edited:
Thats truly not saying much at all
there were only 6 maybe 7 decent DC movies made since 1977!
The Embargo will be lifted tomorrow (Monday) . Actually Tuesday (at midnight Monday). So there will be lots of reviews posted before 1 am.
I'm not worried about it.Thats truly not saying much at all
there were only 6 maybe 7 decent DC movies made since 1977!
It's gonna be just fine.
yeah - I know-
I posted before about the embargo fuckery- so I'm waiting on Monday night
All the ones I've just read and seen are praising the film big time.
all dem other girls should have jus stayed home...
So far, it's at 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. 46 out of 48 reviews are good.
RT score just went up to 97% today as more reviewers chime in. So far, 63 out of 65 reviews are good.
This chic predicts it will stay in the 90's range after its official release date, on Friday....
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/05/30/wonder-woman-review
MOVIE REVIEW / 29 MAY 2017
WONDER WOMAN REVIEW
Share.
Amazon delivers.
BY JOSHUA YEHL The world’s most popular female superhero has finally made it to the big screen for her first solo movie, but the Wonder Woman film has a Herculean task ahead of it to be considered a success. It not only has to do right by a feminist icon but it also has to be a superhero movie good enough to break the DC Extended Universe stink streak. Watching that drama unfold was almost as exciting as the movie itself: could it overcome an uneven lead performance, some poorly rendered special effects, and a frustratingly mishandled end fight? It does, and Wonder Woman proves to be an emotionally resonate film that won me over with its refreshing take on the superhero formula that featured something we haven’t seen in the DCEU yet: a true, bona fide hero.
Despite being every bit a superhero origin movie, Wonder Woman’s tale is so different from the street vigilantes and super soldiers we’re used to seeing that it never feels like retreading old ground. Even Thor traveling from his space palace to a small town in the middle of nowhere feels completely different from Diana (Gal Gadot) leaving her gorgeous island paradise to enter a world consumed by hardship and death.
The philosophy of its story is also refreshingly different from its DC peers; where Superman’s Man of Steel posits the question “What if DC’s superheroes existed in the real world?”, Wonder Woman sets aside trying to explain how gods like Zeus and Ares could be real and instead wholeheartedly embraces the mythology. Signature items like her lasso, tiara, and bracelets organically present themselves as the story unfolds. Wonder Woman’s origin has been retold again and again in the comics in an effort to better explain the more ridiculous parts, but the movie confidently marches forward without stopping for too much exposition. Thank Hera for that.
The origin story is told as a flashback, starting with young Diana and the women who raised her. Mother/Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) and General Antiope (Robin Wright) both care about Diana and want to raise her right, but they disagree on how to best protect her given that their culture revolves around training to become so fit and combat proficient that they put the guys from 300 to shame. These scenes play an important role in establishing Diana as someone who doesn’t take no for an answer in her quest to become a strong fighter, not to mention how she became such a whiz with a sword, shield, and lasso.
Trouble in paradise comes with the arrival of American spy Steve Trevor (Chris Pine) on the island. The ensuing battle with his pursuers has some thrilling stunts as the Amazons charge on horses and vault around like deadly Olympians, but there’s a lack of focus and scope to the action that makes it somewhat hard to follow. That said, the emotional chords of the scene are struck loud and clear, convincingly lighting a fire in Diana that gives her character a mission for the rest of the film.
This is emblematic of the big moments throughout the rest of the movie. While the technical aspects aren’t always there and the action isn’t as sharp as it should be -- most glaringly in the third act fight that looks like a video game boss battle from 2005 -- Gadot’s performance as an unflinching but compassionate hero makes it all work.
Wonder Woman’s best moments come less from the saw-it-coming plot twists and effects-heavy fights and more from Diana seeing the outside world mired in World War I, expressing her disgust at its injustices, and setting out to right them. Her black-and-white concept of good and evil makes her incredibly naive about the moral gray areas Steve and the rest of society swim in every day. It’s that clashing of worldviews and overcoming that ugly disillusionment that creates the compelling emotional core of the movie and shows how Wonder Woman came to be the warrior for peace we know from the comics.
The film’s best scene comes when she decides to climb out of the trenches, dressed in full superhero costume, and walk headlong into German gunfire. That moment forms the crux of the movie, in which she chooses to ignore her doubters and instead use her actions to do the talking. It’s a galvanizing point and the film’s most exciting stretch as she fights not for the sake of a cool action scene but for the values and ideals that pump through her veins.
And goodness, are her action scenes are a breath of fresh air for the superhero genre. She leaps high into the air and hits like a truck, and while she is super tough, she doesn’t have Superman-level invulnerability, so she’s constantly switching between attacking with her sword and lasso and defending with her shield and bracelets. Though not as technically masterful as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice -- the level of visual craft is practically the only thing you can’t diss about that movie -- Wonder Woman gets by on its style.
Conversations will doubtlessly rage on about whether this is a feminist movie that captures what Wonder Woman means to so many people around the world, but at the end of the day, she has ambitions, she has flaws, she loves, she rages, she feels joy, she feels sadness, she fights her own battles, she talks to other female characters about something other than men, and no one tells her what to do. Feminism asks for equality of the sexes, and in that regard, Wonder Woman gets an equal if not better shake at being portrayed as a three-dimensional character than most superheroes.
Even so, given that this film features the inherently absurd mix of World War I-era soldiers and a nationless society of immortal women, keeping it from careening into full-on self-parody required convincing performances from the supporting cast. Pine delivers one, thanks to his charm balanced with the weariness of a man who has seen too much war. His reactions to the oddities of Themiscarya and Diana’s childlike purity are the right mix of astonishment, curiosity, and confusion, often earning laughs. Likewise, his trio of uniquely talented fighters bring a depth and humanity to the grim war scenes. Lucy Davis’s Etta Candy is also a delight as Steve’s quippy secretary, although she has frustratingly little screen time.
On the Themiscarya side of things, Wright’s Antiope does a lot with her few scenes, conveying that she is the most fearsome lady in the land whose heart can nevertheless be warmed by the rambunctious Diana. As Queen Hippolyta, Nielsen’s balance of strength and empathy play well against Diana’s brash nature, although it’s their scenes full of heated dialogue that show how Gadot isn’t as experienced a performer as her more seasoned castmates. Gadot’s strongest moments aren’t during dramatic debates or when selling awkward humor as Diana but when expressing compassion and charging boldly into battle as Wonder Woman.
As far as the villains go, they have sparse screen time and do little more than incite conflict for Diana and company to deal with. While they’re nothing to write home about, they do their job well enough. Really, the true antagonist of the film is war, its many horrors, and how it corrupts. That the film aims to make a poignant statement about the universal evil of humankind, rather than just have the super person punch the thing, is another example of how Wonder Woman excels as a better kind of superhero movie.
This is also a good time to point out how the WWI era is a surprisingly perfect fit for Wonder Woman. Women’s rights were undergoing a sea change because of the war. And Wonder Woman walking through a battlefield covered in clouds of poisonous gas, unharmed herself yet in mourning the fallen, is an incredible piece of imagery.
The Verdict
Wonder Woman is leaps and bounds above the other three entries in the DCEU. With a dramatic setting, a few entertaining action scenes, and a strong supporting cast all working together to tell an inspirational Hero’s Journey, it more than offsets some occasionally uneven acting on Gadot’s part and some shaky technical aspects. The messy third act fight, however, is something that has plagued other superhero movies and is something even Wonder Woman cannot overcome. Overall, Wonder Woman is a win because it successfully tells the story of a woman taking on a war-torn world with the power of love. What’s more heroic than that?
IN THIS REVIEW
Wonder Woman Releases June 2, 2017
MOVIE REVIEW / 29 MAY 2017
WONDER WOMAN REVIEW
Share.
Amazon delivers.
BY JOSHUA YEHL The world’s most popular female superhero has finally made it to the big screen for her first solo movie, but the Wonder Woman film has a Herculean task ahead of it to be considered a success. It not only has to do right by a feminist icon but it also has to be a superhero movie good enough to break the DC Extended Universe stink streak. Watching that drama unfold was almost as exciting as the movie itself: could it overcome an uneven lead performance, some poorly rendered special effects, and a frustratingly mishandled end fight? It does, and Wonder Woman proves to be an emotionally resonate film that won me over with its refreshing take on the superhero formula that featured something we haven’t seen in the DCEU yet: a true, bona fide hero.
Despite being every bit a superhero origin movie, Wonder Woman’s tale is so different from the street vigilantes and super soldiers we’re used to seeing that it never feels like retreading old ground. Even Thor traveling from his space palace to a small town in the middle of nowhere feels completely different from Diana (Gal Gadot) leaving her gorgeous island paradise to enter a world consumed by hardship and death.
The philosophy of its story is also refreshingly different from its DC peers; where Superman’s Man of Steel posits the question “What if DC’s superheroes existed in the real world?”, Wonder Woman sets aside trying to explain how gods like Zeus and Ares could be real and instead wholeheartedly embraces the mythology. Signature items like her lasso, tiara, and bracelets organically present themselves as the story unfolds. Wonder Woman’s origin has been retold again and again in the comics in an effort to better explain the more ridiculous parts, but the movie confidently marches forward without stopping for too much exposition. Thank Hera for that.
The origin story is told as a flashback, starting with young Diana and the women who raised her. Mother/Queen Hippolyta (Connie Nielsen) and General Antiope (Robin Wright) both care about Diana and want to raise her right, but they disagree on how to best protect her given that their culture revolves around training to become so fit and combat proficient that they put the guys from 300 to shame. These scenes play an important role in establishing Diana as someone who doesn’t take no for an answer in her quest to become a strong fighter, not to mention how she became such a whiz with a sword, shield, and lasso.
Trouble in paradise comes with the arrival of American spy Steve Trevor (Chris Pine) on the island. The ensuing battle with his pursuers has some thrilling stunts as the Amazons charge on horses and vault around like deadly Olympians, but there’s a lack of focus and scope to the action that makes it somewhat hard to follow. That said, the emotional chords of the scene are struck loud and clear, convincingly lighting a fire in Diana that gives her character a mission for the rest of the film.
This is emblematic of the big moments throughout the rest of the movie. While the technical aspects aren’t always there and the action isn’t as sharp as it should be -- most glaringly in the third act fight that looks like a video game boss battle from 2005 -- Gadot’s performance as an unflinching but compassionate hero makes it all work.
Wonder Woman’s best moments come less from the saw-it-coming plot twists and effects-heavy fights and more from Diana seeing the outside world mired in World War I, expressing her disgust at its injustices, and setting out to right them. Her black-and-white concept of good and evil makes her incredibly naive about the moral gray areas Steve and the rest of society swim in every day. It’s that clashing of worldviews and overcoming that ugly disillusionment that creates the compelling emotional core of the movie and shows how Wonder Woman came to be the warrior for peace we know from the comics.
The film’s best scene comes when she decides to climb out of the trenches, dressed in full superhero costume, and walk headlong into German gunfire. That moment forms the crux of the movie, in which she chooses to ignore her doubters and instead use her actions to do the talking. It’s a galvanizing point and the film’s most exciting stretch as she fights not for the sake of a cool action scene but for the values and ideals that pump through her veins.
And goodness, are her action scenes are a breath of fresh air for the superhero genre. She leaps high into the air and hits like a truck, and while she is super tough, she doesn’t have Superman-level invulnerability, so she’s constantly switching between attacking with her sword and lasso and defending with her shield and bracelets. Though not as technically masterful as Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice -- the level of visual craft is practically the only thing you can’t diss about that movie -- Wonder Woman gets by on its style.
Conversations will doubtlessly rage on about whether this is a feminist movie that captures what Wonder Woman means to so many people around the world, but at the end of the day, she has ambitions, she has flaws, she loves, she rages, she feels joy, she feels sadness, she fights her own battles, she talks to other female characters about something other than men, and no one tells her what to do. Feminism asks for equality of the sexes, and in that regard, Wonder Woman gets an equal if not better shake at being portrayed as a three-dimensional character than most superheroes.
Even so, given that this film features the inherently absurd mix of World War I-era soldiers and a nationless society of immortal women, keeping it from careening into full-on self-parody required convincing performances from the supporting cast. Pine delivers one, thanks to his charm balanced with the weariness of a man who has seen too much war. His reactions to the oddities of Themiscarya and Diana’s childlike purity are the right mix of astonishment, curiosity, and confusion, often earning laughs. Likewise, his trio of uniquely talented fighters bring a depth and humanity to the grim war scenes. Lucy Davis’s Etta Candy is also a delight as Steve’s quippy secretary, although she has frustratingly little screen time.
On the Themiscarya side of things, Wright’s Antiope does a lot with her few scenes, conveying that she is the most fearsome lady in the land whose heart can nevertheless be warmed by the rambunctious Diana. As Queen Hippolyta, Nielsen’s balance of strength and empathy play well against Diana’s brash nature, although it’s their scenes full of heated dialogue that show how Gadot isn’t as experienced a performer as her more seasoned castmates. Gadot’s strongest moments aren’t during dramatic debates or when selling awkward humor as Diana but when expressing compassion and charging boldly into battle as Wonder Woman.
As far as the villains go, they have sparse screen time and do little more than incite conflict for Diana and company to deal with. While they’re nothing to write home about, they do their job well enough. Really, the true antagonist of the film is war, its many horrors, and how it corrupts. That the film aims to make a poignant statement about the universal evil of humankind, rather than just have the super person punch the thing, is another example of how Wonder Woman excels as a better kind of superhero movie.
This is also a good time to point out how the WWI era is a surprisingly perfect fit for Wonder Woman. Women’s rights were undergoing a sea change because of the war. And Wonder Woman walking through a battlefield covered in clouds of poisonous gas, unharmed herself yet in mourning the fallen, is an incredible piece of imagery.
The Verdict
Wonder Woman is leaps and bounds above the other three entries in the DCEU. With a dramatic setting, a few entertaining action scenes, and a strong supporting cast all working together to tell an inspirational Hero’s Journey, it more than offsets some occasionally uneven acting on Gadot’s part and some shaky technical aspects. The messy third act fight, however, is something that has plagued other superhero movies and is something even Wonder Woman cannot overcome. Overall, Wonder Woman is a win because it successfully tells the story of a woman taking on a war-torn world with the power of love. What’s more heroic than that?
IN THIS REVIEW
Wonder Woman Releases June 2, 2017
Come on now, with all the positive news that keep coming out about this movie it can't be that bad.
From what I am picking up from the reviewers, all the other D.C. Movies sucked and this is the most decent one which makes it the best.
I really don't like this lady
Her and the other guy who talks fast Jeremy ? Are annoying
Jeremy Jahns is cool in my book.
But I kinda HATE this chic (named Grace) & her reviews also.
I agree with you on that note .
She is unncessarily 'nitpicky' with various aspects of certain movies & TV Shows (especially Game of Thrones)....which makes most of her reviews highly annoying to me.
And because she has a tendency to be 'over-critical'... it leads her to say silly shit, at times.
For example: Skip to the 11:00 minute mark of this video, to see what I mean....
OK, Grace talks mad shit about Jon Snow in this episode.
She calls Jon "a horrible leader, politician & strategist, who should NEVER LEAD anyone"…. and she also says: “I would NEVER FOLLOW Jon Snow anywhere".
Wait, Hold up. WTF???
Bitch Please. Jon Snow… the same guy who (strategically) LIED to Mance Rayder and told him there are 1000 men guarding the wall, in order to ‘plant some doubt’ in Mance’s mind & buy them all some MORE TIME to prepare for battle.
Jon Snow… the same guy who VEHEMENTLY warned Sir Alliser Thorne & the Night’s Watch Council about the SIZE of the Wildling Army & then TOLD EVERYONE that they should ‘seal the tunnel’ with Ice & Rocks LONG BEFORE the Battle of Castle Black in season 4… but nobody listened to him.
Jon Snow… the same guy who realized the Night's Watch had to return to Craster's Keep..... to kill Karl & all his Mutiny Buddies... before Mance got to them FIRST, so they wouldn't fuck up his 'strategic ruse'. If Mance realized that there were only 100 men guarding the wall... he would have unleashed every last Wilding at his command and RAN OVER Castle Black in 'full force'... instead of breaking his men off into 2 separate missions.
Jon Snow…. the same guy who took over command of the Night’s Watch when Sir Alliser got badly injured & prevented everyone else from getting KILLED by sending 6 of his homeboys down to the main gate to stop a REAL-LIFE GIANT from breaking down the LAST BARRIER left, that would allow the entire Wilding army to run roughshod right through Castle Black.
Jon Snow… the same guy who defied Stannis and shot Mance with an arrow… (as an ‘act of mercy’)… which all of the remaining Wildling POWs ultimately RESPECTED him for doing. If had not done that... the Wildlings would NEVER have joined him to fight in the Battle of the Bastards, in season 6.
Jon Snow…. the same guy who is ALWAYS the first man to ‘spring into action’, or charge into Battle… while others are standing around.
Yeah.... this chic SHOULD follow Jon Snow…. Cuz he prolly gonna be the ‘last man standing’ in Westeros
… after all them White Walkers & the Army of the Dead advance south of the Wall. Bet she won’t talk all that dumb shit after the entire GoT series is over.
It's her shit like that... which annoys the hell outta me.
I only posted her Wonder Woman video about Rotten Tomatoes because...... she's pretty much been a DCEU Hater for awhile.
Last edited:
IF THERE IS NO LINDA CARTER CAMEO THEN I CALL BULLSHIT!!!
Anyone think that the ratings will be boosted because it is a female super hero movie?
Women reviewers will automatically give it a thumb up
and men won't want to bash it
Because right now it's trending as one of the best super hero movies of all time. I find that pretty damn hard to believe.
I know somebody seeing it tonight, she got free tickets. I'm going to ask her tomorrow how she liked it.
Women reviewers will automatically give it a thumb up
and men won't want to bash it
Because right now it's trending as one of the best super hero movies of all time. I find that pretty damn hard to believe.
I know somebody seeing it tonight, she got free tickets. I'm going to ask her tomorrow how she liked it.
no one doubted that DC movies could be done well- the almost universal opinion is that DC has better suited characters - potentially- for epic stories on screen
Doesn't change a thing for me as I've enjoyed all the previous movies. But hopefully, the early reviews for this one and the "new" formulaic approach will allow some to see the beauty that the DC universe can add to the CBM genre.
I'm seeing it tomorrow night!
In WWs case they have done a 180 on the approach to screenwriting, hopefully they keep this up -
and work with and not hinder great story tellers like Rian, Joss, Matt, etc...
Aquaman is in production and the Bat movies are next
hopefully after that they can coax a Question script out of Ben Affleck / Terrio
and get a Bernardin scripted movie for Static
and a buddy cop formula for Green Lantern Corps (Stewart and Jordan or Sinestro and Raynor) )
at least one spin even its a done like a private joking moment for her...I'll do the same if Gal Gadot doesnt do a "spin transformation"
they got a few fanservice things to do in that franchise..
linda carter cameo
spin move
reference to the invisible plane (again as a bit of a inside joke)
Last edited:
Similar threads
