CLEVELAND This Man Is Going Around Cleveland Killin Ppl on Facebook Live

I know you're a lawyer, so it's nice to here your perspective on this.

IMHO blaming livestreaming will just force other platforms to emerge and then whack-a-mole begins. And will things be criminalized before real crimes(murder, shooting, etc) are committed? Meaning, what happens if someone wants to offer live streaming or does it? Do they get jail time?

You have to think of the crimes and the application as two different things.....

You are right more will rise.... but the others rising isn't the concern. It's the change in the application. Its like Youtube.... In the very beginning, Kats were uploading porn left and right on Youtube back when it was a baby and uploading a video online was still still new. But then Youtube blew up and started getting sued because anybody could access those videos on the service. Youtube had to change how it handled it's product or risk being sued out of existence . Yes sites like MetaCafe allow you to put up porn but they dont have the install base like youtube... Youtube is integrated into everything.

Facebook is the same thing.... They are every where. Even though Facebook is old, the concept of Live Streaming is still completely new. People haven't been able to effectively be their own LIVE television program before.. LIVE moments carry a different type of trill or rush vs a recorded video... It allows one to actually be the news.

And that final sentence is the one thing that Facebook and Instagram.... didn't really account for. Yes you have Mom and Paa who want to live stream their anniversary party, but you also have people with mental issues who now have a platform or a vehicle to let the world see who they truly are. Even though the number of crazies is still small.... they are still out there... and what they are seeing is that they can reach an extremely wide audience through live streaming...

Meaning you are going to have more suicidal kats live streaming their crimes.... and eventually you will have a school shooting that's live streamed. That's not a if.. that is a fact...
 
You have to think of the crimes and the application as two different things.....

You are right more will rise.... but the others rising isn't the concern. It's the change in the application. Its like Youtube.... In the very beginning, Kats were uploading porn left and right on Youtube back when it was a baby and uploading a video online was still still new. But then Youtube blew up and started getting sued because anybody could access those videos on the service. Youtube had to change how it handled it's product or risk being sued out of existence . Yes sites like MetaCafe allow you to put up porn but they dont have the install base like youtube... Youtube is integrated into everything.

Facebook is the same thing.... They are every where. Even though Facebook is old, the concept of Live Streaming is still completely new. People haven't been able to effectively be their own LIVE television program before.. LIVE moments carry a different type of trill or rush vs a recorded video... It allows one to actually be the news.

And that final sentence is the one thing that Facebook and Instagram.... didn't really account for. Yes you have Mom and Paa who want to live stream their anniversary party, but you also have people with mental issues who now have a platform or a vehicle to let the world see who they truly are. Even though the number of crazies is still small.... they are still out there... and what they are seeing is that they can reach an extremely wide audience through live streaming...

Meaning you are going to have more suicidal kats live streaming their crimes.... and eventually you will have a school shooting that's live streamed. That's not a if.. that is a fact...

Once again, nice breakdown.
 
And just like I predicted.... Here comes the Articles... It's about to Begin.. Facebook is about to start getting hammered over this.

Facebook wanted ‘visceral’ live video. It’s getting live-streaming killers and suicides.


By Elizabeth Dwoskin and Craig Timberg April 17 at 7:41 PM

SAN FRANCISCO — The massive growth of live-streaming everything from Little League games to a giraffe’s birth has developed a sinister edge as murderers, rapists and terrorists have found ways to broadcast video that tech companies such as Facebook are struggling to contain.

Among the most shocking incidents yet came on Easter Sunday, when a man armed with a smartphone and a black handgun took video of himself fatally shooting a bystander on a Cleveland street. The alleged killer, Steve Stephens, posted the video on his Facebook page, then took to the Facebook Live streaming service to confess his actions — in real time. As of Monday evening, Stephens was still at large.

Facebook disabled Stephens’s profile page more than two hours after the initial posting, according to the company, but not before the video of the shooting spread across the social network and to other social media, including YouTube and Instagram. It has been viewed more than 150,000 times.

On Monday, Facebook said it was investigating why it took so long to receive reports of the video and was reviewing its procedures.

Live video of violent incidents, including suicides, beheadings and torture, have gone viral, with some reaching millions of people. This summer, Facebook faced criticism after a live stream of a disabled young man being tied up, gagged and slashed with a knife stayed up for 30 minutes. Last month, two Chicago teenage boys live-streamed themselves gang-raping a teen girl.

“Bound up with doing all of these terrible things is the possibility of showing thousands, possibly millions, of people that you’re doing it,” said Mary Anne Franks, a University of Miami law professor. She expressed doubt that Facebook could adequately monitor live videos. “When it comes to Facebook Live as a product specifically, I don’t think it’s a solvable problem,” Franks said.

Shortly after Facebook launched live video streaming to the public last year, chief executive Mark Zuckerberg said he wanted a product that would support all the “personal and emotional and raw and visceral” ways that people communicate. The company has encouraged users to “go live” in casual settings, while waiting for baggage at the airport, for example, or eating at a tasty food truck.

On Monday, one day before the company's annual developer conference, questions arose again about whether Facebook had done enough to contain the video service’s dark side.

“This is a horrific crime and we do not allow this kind of content on Facebook,” company spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an emailed statement. “We work hard to keep a safe environment on Facebook, and are in touch with law enforcement in emergencies when there are direct threats to physical safety.”

Stephens, 37, who appeared to shoot an elderly man, uploaded three videos between 11:09 and 11:22 a.m. Sunday, Facebook said in a blog post. In the first video, he announced his intent to commit murder. Two minutes later, he uploaded the second video of the shooting. Then, at 11:22, the alleged killer took to his live-video account to broadcast himself confessing. Facebook received its first report of the killing an hour and a half later, at 12:59 p.m. The company said it disabled the account 23 minutes later.

The manhunt continued Monday, with authorities saying they had launched a nationwide search for Stephens. By the late afternoon, authorities were offering up to $50,000 for information leading to his arrest.


“Steve, if you’re out there listening, call someone — whether it’s a friend or family member or pastor. Give them a call. They’re waiting for you to call them,” Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams pleaded with Stephens at an afternoon news conference.

The incident demonstrates how Facebook is grappling with its increasingly consequential role in world affairs, as well as the fundamental challenges in policing a growing amount of highly charged content, including Islamic State beheadings that potentially inspire terrorists and fake news that has allegedly skewed the national political debate.

While Facebook’s policies permit some graphic content to be posted — for example, the broadcasting of police brutality at a protest would generally be allowed — the company prohibits users from posting images or videos “for sadistic pleasure or to celebrate or glorify violence.”

Facebook’s reluctance to play a greater gatekeeper role has also drawn the ire of critics, who say that the rush to profit off viral content and video is leading to dangerous societal outcomes.

The company raced into live video after observing the explosive popularity of platforms such as Snapchat, Meerkat and YouTube. Zuckerberg was reportedly so moved in a meeting by data that showed a staggeringly high amount of time users spend on video that he immediately put 100 of the company’s top engineers on a two-month lockdown and charged them to come up with new video products, according to a profile in the Wall Street Journal.

The amount of time consumers spend watching videos online has increased more than fourfold since 2011, according to the research firm eMarketer. That video explosion, much of it being broadcast by everyday citizens and not news organizations with standards for displaying graphic content, is exposing the public to a new level of violent imagery.

“It's amazing how performative people are in their cruelty,” said Danielle Citron, a University of Maryland law professor who has worked with Facebook and other tech companies to block “revenge porn” and prevent cyberstalking.

Yet the issue is complicated for technology companies, which have wide latitude to host content created by others without being legally responsible for it, Citron said.

In recent interviews and blog posts, Zuckerberg has acknowledged the complexity of the company’s new role in the global spotlight. He hopes to “amplify the good” and “mitigate the bad” effects of the Facebook platform, he wrote earlier this year.

Since Facebook launched live-streaming, first with celebrities in late 2015 and then to the general public, there have been so many live suicides broadcast that the company decided to create a set of tools for users to flag them and alert law enforcement, a tacit acknowledgment of its gatekeeper responsibilities.

Yet in July, the company apologized and blamed a technical glitch after live video of the aftermath of the Philando Castile police shooting, which was posted by his girlfriend and caused a national outcry, was temporarily disabled by Facebook software.

In an interview last month at the company’s Menlo Park, Calif., headquarters, Facebook executives said that the majority of live video content posted on the site is positive in nature.


Facebook Live product director Daniel Danker said, “We largely rely on the community to flag live moments that are unsafe or otherwise fall outside of our community standards.”

When users flag such content, it is then sent to a global team of professionals within 24 hours. But critics say that, within that length of time, inappropriate videos can be viewed millions of times.

Facebook has declined to reveal how many people and resources it invests in policing content.

In the Washington Post interview, Danker acknowledged there were obstacles to creating a safe space in real time. “It's particularly challenging of course with live because there’s no time to react,” he said. “It's happening as you see it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...705662-239c-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html

That last sentence... Is where Facebook has a problem.... Right now I think they feel that that aren't legally responsible, but there is precedent.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/blame/summary.html
 
And just like I predicted.... Here comes the Articles... It's about to Begin.. Facebook is about to start getting hammered over this.

Facebook wanted ‘visceral’ live video. It’s getting live-streaming killers and suicides.


By Elizabeth Dwoskin and Craig Timberg April 17 at 7:41 PM

SAN FRANCISCO — The massive growth of live-streaming everything from Little League games to a giraffe’s birth has developed a sinister edge as murderers, rapists and terrorists have found ways to broadcast video that tech companies such as Facebook are struggling to contain.

Among the most shocking incidents yet came on Easter Sunday, when a man armed with a smartphone and a black handgun took video of himself fatally shooting a bystander on a Cleveland street. The alleged killer, Steve Stephens, posted the video on his Facebook page, then took to the Facebook Live streaming service to confess his actions — in real time. As of Monday evening, Stephens was still at large.

Facebook disabled Stephens’s profile page more than two hours after the initial posting, according to the company, but not before the video of the shooting spread across the social network and to other social media, including YouTube and Instagram. It has been viewed more than 150,000 times.

On Monday, Facebook said it was investigating why it took so long to receive reports of the video and was reviewing its procedures.

Live video of violent incidents, including suicides, beheadings and torture, have gone viral, with some reaching millions of people. This summer, Facebook faced criticism after a live stream of a disabled young man being tied up, gagged and slashed with a knife stayed up for 30 minutes. Last month, two Chicago teenage boys live-streamed themselves gang-raping a teen girl.

“Bound up with doing all of these terrible things is the possibility of showing thousands, possibly millions, of people that you’re doing it,” said Mary Anne Franks, a University of Miami law professor. She expressed doubt that Facebook could adequately monitor live videos. “When it comes to Facebook Live as a product specifically, I don’t think it’s a solvable problem,” Franks said.

Shortly after Facebook launched live video streaming to the public last year, chief executive Mark Zuckerberg said he wanted a product that would support all the “personal and emotional and raw and visceral” ways that people communicate. The company has encouraged users to “go live” in casual settings, while waiting for baggage at the airport, for example, or eating at a tasty food truck.

On Monday, one day before the company's annual developer conference, questions arose again about whether Facebook had done enough to contain the video service’s dark side.

“This is a horrific crime and we do not allow this kind of content on Facebook,” company spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an emailed statement. “We work hard to keep a safe environment on Facebook, and are in touch with law enforcement in emergencies when there are direct threats to physical safety.”

Stephens, 37, who appeared to shoot an elderly man, uploaded three videos between 11:09 and 11:22 a.m. Sunday, Facebook said in a blog post. In the first video, he announced his intent to commit murder. Two minutes later, he uploaded the second video of the shooting. Then, at 11:22, the alleged killer took to his live-video account to broadcast himself confessing. Facebook received its first report of the killing an hour and a half later, at 12:59 p.m. The company said it disabled the account 23 minutes later.

The manhunt continued Monday, with authorities saying they had launched a nationwide search for Stephens. By the late afternoon, authorities were offering up to $50,000 for information leading to his arrest.


“Steve, if you’re out there listening, call someone — whether it’s a friend or family member or pastor. Give them a call. They’re waiting for you to call them,” Cleveland Police Chief Calvin Williams pleaded with Stephens at an afternoon news conference.

The incident demonstrates how Facebook is grappling with its increasingly consequential role in world affairs, as well as the fundamental challenges in policing a growing amount of highly charged content, including Islamic State beheadings that potentially inspire terrorists and fake news that has allegedly skewed the national political debate.

While Facebook’s policies permit some graphic content to be posted — for example, the broadcasting of police brutality at a protest would generally be allowed — the company prohibits users from posting images or videos “for sadistic pleasure or to celebrate or glorify violence.”

Facebook’s reluctance to play a greater gatekeeper role has also drawn the ire of critics, who say that the rush to profit off viral content and video is leading to dangerous societal outcomes.

The company raced into live video after observing the explosive popularity of platforms such as Snapchat, Meerkat and YouTube. Zuckerberg was reportedly so moved in a meeting by data that showed a staggeringly high amount of time users spend on video that he immediately put 100 of the company’s top engineers on a two-month lockdown and charged them to come up with new video products, according to a profile in the Wall Street Journal.

The amount of time consumers spend watching videos online has increased more than fourfold since 2011, according to the research firm eMarketer. That video explosion, much of it being broadcast by everyday citizens and not news organizations with standards for displaying graphic content, is exposing the public to a new level of violent imagery.

“It's amazing how performative people are in their cruelty,” said Danielle Citron, a University of Maryland law professor who has worked with Facebook and other tech companies to block “revenge porn” and prevent cyberstalking.

Yet the issue is complicated for technology companies, which have wide latitude to host content created by others without being legally responsible for it, Citron said.

In recent interviews and blog posts, Zuckerberg has acknowledged the complexity of the company’s new role in the global spotlight. He hopes to “amplify the good” and “mitigate the bad” effects of the Facebook platform, he wrote earlier this year.

Since Facebook launched live-streaming, first with celebrities in late 2015 and then to the general public, there have been so many live suicides broadcast that the company decided to create a set of tools for users to flag them and alert law enforcement, a tacit acknowledgment of its gatekeeper responsibilities.

Yet in July, the company apologized and blamed a technical glitch after live video of the aftermath of the Philando Castile police shooting, which was posted by his girlfriend and caused a national outcry, was temporarily disabled by Facebook software.

In an interview last month at the company’s Menlo Park, Calif., headquarters, Facebook executives said that the majority of live video content posted on the site is positive in nature.


Facebook Live product director Daniel Danker said, “We largely rely on the community to flag live moments that are unsafe or otherwise fall outside of our community standards.”

When users flag such content, it is then sent to a global team of professionals within 24 hours. But critics say that, within that length of time, inappropriate videos can be viewed millions of times.

Facebook has declined to reveal how many people and resources it invests in policing content.

In the Washington Post interview, Danker acknowledged there were obstacles to creating a safe space in real time. “It's particularly challenging of course with live because there’s no time to react,” he said. “It's happening as you see it.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...705662-239c-11e7-a1b3-faff0034e2de_story.html

That last sentence... Is where Facebook has a problem.... Right now I think they feel that that aren't legally responsible, but there is precedent.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/blame/summary.html


Cold part about it is, that it's a prisoner of it's success
He could've snapped this.
He could've used Instagram live.
or been live on twitter
but Facebook is so popular and so easy to use that it's gonna take all the hits and the other social media platforms that offer live are going to be like
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Cold part about it is, that it's a prisoner of it's success
He could've snapped this.
He could've used Instagram live.
or been live on twitter
but Facebook is so popular and so easy to use that it's gonna take all the hits and the other social media platforms that offer live are going to be like
cckE5OB.gif

bills my brotha from another mother.... You are on it.

It's like I said.. Facebook is integrated into our daily life..It's on every phone, computer, and now TVs. But they got greedy.... Instead of being Simple like Google.. Facebook had to try to step into an arena that most could see what going to be a problem from jump. I remember posting about my concerns with Facebook Live in the First thread about it on the board and the issues are still there. There is no way to regulate this. Unlike uploading a video that has to be passed through their servers... Live video is live video and its already too late once it gets online...

It now takes 10 seconds to pull up the App and live stream. 10 Seconds to become famous or infamous.

One of the crazier things is that a Crappy ass movie that came out in 2001... Basically predicted the impact of allowing crazy people the ability to become infamous in an instant.



When this movie came out... The concept behind it was crazy.
 
Damn yall . This is the dude he killed. This was posted in this thread http://www.bgol.us/forum/index.php?...is-horrific-murder-share-this-instead.946429/ .

Fucked up thing is we all probably know someone that looks like him or reminds us of some friend or family member.

Dude looked real chill.



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Here is Robert Godwin Sr. he was 78.

Instead of sharing that video of his horrific murder, share this instead.

His son said, 'he was a good man - he'd give you the shirt off his back...good-hearted.'

Remember Robert this way.

With his dignity and humanity still attached.

Rest in Power.

#Cleveland
im pissed i watched that video, i want the shooter to suffer
 
bills my brotha from another mother.... You are on it.

It's like I said.. Facebook is integrated into our daily life..It's on every phone, computer, and now TVs. But they got greedy.... Instead of being Simple like Google.. Facebook had to try to step into an arena that most could see what going to be a problem from jump. I remember posting about my concerns with Facebook Live in the First thread about it on the board and the issues are still there. There is no way to regulate this. Unlike uploading a video that has to be passed through their servers... Live video is live video and its already too late once it gets online...

It now takes 10 seconds to pull up the App and live stream. 10 Seconds to become famous or infamous.

One of the crazier things is that a Crappy ass movie that came out in 2001... Basically predicted the impact of allowing crazy people the ability to become infamous in an instant.



When this movie came out... The concept behind it was crazy.


I know that movie well and it's the same plot that plays out right now.
Facebook is a staple and them ads running is keeping it alive and made it worth the money because of the people it can put your products in front of
as far as coolness..that's gone. it needs to give up the ghost. snap is the new king of cool
gram will always be gram just a picture haven they need to focus on that instead of trying to do live and stories cause nobody goes to gram to see that shit.
And twitter is run by idiots if i ran twitter it'd be a company that would be expanding not laying folks off.
 
I know that movie well and it's the same plot that plays out right now.
Facebook is a staple and them ads running is keeping it alive and made it worth the money because of the people it can put your products in front of
as far as coolness..that's gone. it needs to give up the ghost. snap is the new king of cool
gram will always be gram just a picture haven they need to focus on that instead of trying to do live and stories cause nobody goes to gram to see that shit.
And twitter is run by idiots if i ran twitter it'd be a company that would be expanding not laying folks off.

Facebook is still relevant.... If they go back to being Simple.... They don't really have a true Social media competitor. Snap is the king of cool right now... but Snap is slowly fucking up like Vine did. Snap's got Ads everywhere now. Pretty soon they are going to have premium accounts, because unlike Facebook... they can't get any true revenue from their website. It's actually a pure business model... There is no way that they can remain viable the way they are now unless they shift like Instagram did and have a stronger Website format for advertisers.... but Snapchat on a PC would open up even more problems then live streaming...


Side note.... there are now at least 10 articles directly talking about facebook's live streaming problem.... When this story first broke there were ZERO stories. Believe me I checked... The longer this dude stays at large... the More you are going to see Facebook getting dragged into this.
 
Facebook is still relevant.... If they go back to being Simple.... They don't really have a true Social media competitor. Snap is the king of cool right now... but Snap is slowly fucking up like Vine did. Snap's got Ads everywhere now. Pretty soon they are going to have premium accounts, because unlike Facebook... they can't get any true revenue from their website. It's actually a pure business model... There is no way that they can remain viable the way they are now unless they shift like Instagram did and have a stronger Website format for advertisers.... but Snapchat on a PC would open up even more problems then live streaming...


Side note.... there are now at least 10 articles directly talking about facebook's live streaming problem.... When this story first broke there were ZERO stories. Believe me I checked... The longer this dude stays at large... the More you are going to see Facebook getting dragged into this.

I disagree about snap those ads are seamless and every major news outlet tries to have a story that you can see on snap they get millions of views from young demographics everyday. from mtv to the wall street journal
its not going to take over facebook facebook is here forever it won't ever die. just the cool factor is gone and will be gone.
 
I disagree about snap those ads are seamless and every major news outlet tries to have a story that you can see on snap they get millions of views from young demographics everyday. from mtv to the wall street journal
its not going to take over facebook facebook is here forever it won't ever die. just the cool factor is gone and will be gone.

True but thats for now...

Think of Long Term.. Viability. SnapChat is too dependent on the Youth Market. Snapchat has only been around 5 years and Kids have short attention spans.

Do you think Snapchat will be able to Survive 10 more years doing the same thing? I can see Facebook and Instagram.... but Snap is to reliant on phones and based on what I read Smart phones are going to be an entirely different thing in 10 years.
 
True but thats for now...

Think of Long Term.. Viability. SnapChat is too dependent on the Youth Market. Snapchat has only been around 5 years and Kids have short attention spans.

Do you think Snapchat will be able to Survive 10 more years doing the same thing? I can see Facebook and Instagram.... but Snap is to reliant on phones and based on what I read Smart phones are going to be an entirely different thing in 10 years.

Yea i think their team is proactive way more than others and they tweak and try to improve. they've improved so much from jump till now. 10 years is nothing because as of now it's not even just young ppl on it. people auto-snap shit. i don't think points and badges mean anything but snapping will be here to stay because of the story aspect as well as saving memories and the option to just go ahead and not worry about it after tomorrow. that's the biggest appeal
in a culture where everything you do is on there forever knowing you can snap a story and it's gone a day later from public view is always going to be attractive. ain't no tweets to haunt you or pics to haunt you feel me.

now it's still SOMEWHERE but the average joe can't dig it up
 
Yea i think their team is proactive way more than others and they tweak and try to improve. they've improved so much from jump till now. 10 years is nothing because as of now it's not even just young ppl on it. people auto-snap shit. i don't think points and badges mean anything but snapping will be here to stay because of the story aspect as well as saving memories and the option to just go ahead and not worry about it after tomorrow. that's the biggest appeal
in a culture where everything you do is on there forever knowing you can snap a story and it's gone a day later from public view is always going to be attractive. ain't no tweets to haunt you or pics to haunt you feel me.

now it's still SOMEWHERE but the average joe can't dig it up

I hear you but this will probably be one of the few times that we have disagreed on the board. I do hope snapchat lasts and you are probably right.... about Snaps being the new thing. Hell even Facebook has started this crap now.. which is even stupider then the live streaming. Now you give people the ability not just to live stream but to take take quick moments and of their crimes and it's quicker to do a facebook story then it is to snap.
 
I hear you but this will probably be one of the few times that we have disagreed on the board. I do hope snapchat lasts and you are probably right.... about Snaps being the new thing. Hell even Facebook has started this crap now.. which is even stupider then the live streaming. Now you give people the ability not just to live stream but to take take quick moments and of their crimes and it's quicker to do a facebook story then it is to snap.

I agree don't take me saying snap is here to stay as in facebook is gone. they're both going to be here.
snap is here to stay.
 
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