Q&A with Rudy Gobert: Playoffs a new story for Stifle Tower
One of the best individual matchups in the first round of the NBA playoffs pits a couple of old-school centers against each other, big men who make major impacts despite never making a jump shot, putting their stamp on games by protecting the rim, dominating the glass, freeing their teammates with screens and finishing above the rim.
The Los Angeles Clippers'
DeAndre Jordan is the bigger name of the two big men. He has playoff and All-Star experience, plays in a major market and stars in a national endorsement deal.
Rudy Gobert just wrapped up a breakout regular season in relative anonymity for the small-market
Utah Jazz. He led the league in blocked shots (2.64 per game), ranked second behind Jordan in field goal percentage (66.1), fourth just behind Jordan in rebounds (12.8) and also averaged career highs in scoring (14.0) and free throw percentage (65.3).
Gobert, 24, is considered a leading candidate for Defensive Player of the Year and All-NBA honors. But he wonders whether the average NBA fan -- and many media voters -- fully understand the force he has become given his lack of national exposure. There is no doubt that Jordan and other centers around the league do.
It's an old-school pivot battle when Rudy Gobert and DeAndre Jordan meet in Saturday night's Game 1. Juan Ocampo/NBAE/Getty Images
"Man, he definitely is a big part of their team in getting those guys open, protecting the basket and rebounding the basketball," Jordan said recently. "He's definitely gotten a lot, lot better. It's always fun to play against a big like that."
As Gobert prepared for his first playoff series, he took a few minutes to discuss the state of the Jazz, his case for Defensive Player of the Year and the franchise's future among other topics with ESPN.com.
ESPN.com: You guys have had as many injuries as anybody in the league. Derrick Favors has been in and out of the lineup and not himself all year long. George Hill has been in and out of the lineup, as well as he's played. Rodney Hood has been struggling with a knee injury since before the All-Star break. How big of an accomplishment is winning 50 games [actually 51] given the circumstances and where this franchise has been recently?
Gobert: We didn't get lucky with injuries this year once again, but I think you've got to give the coach and the players credit. A lot of guys stepped in to contribute and win 50 games. Last summer, we [put in a lot of work] in the gym. It really paid off. Hopefully it's going to pay off in the playoffs. We've had a lot of injuries and guys who don't usually start have started and helped us win.
ESPN.com: You lead the league in blocked shots, defensive real plus-minus and defensive win shares. Your team allows the fewest points in the league and ranks third in defensive rating. How do you feel about your chance to win Defensive Player of the Year?
Gobert: Obviously it's a great award. I would love to win it. At the same time, it's not my vote. It's a media vote, and it's not really in my hands. I just hope the guy who's been the most impactful defender this year is going to win it. If it's fair, I'm going to be happy for whoever it is.
ESPN.com: If it's fair, is it you?
Gobert: [Laughs.] You have to study a lot of things. There's a lot of factors. I think guys like
Draymond Green have had a tremendous season. I see a lot of guys like [Andre] Roberson who have had a fantastic defensive season,
Patrick Beverley, Kawhi [Leonard], one of the best two-way players in the game. We all do it differently but impact the game defensively in a great way for our team. I mean, I think I should definitely be in the conversation. I don't want to be the guy that says, 'You should definitely vote for me.' I want the people to check out the impact, check out the stats and make their own choice. I don't want to be the one that's going to make my own campaign.
"Draymond is great at guarding multiple positions and switching, but for myself, I impact people that I'm not guarding. You know? When I'm out there and one of the guards has the ball, I'm not the primary defender, but he knows that if he drives, I'm going to be there."
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I want the people to make their own choice but make sure they study the case. Just check all the stats you need to check. Just don't vote because you feel like somebody is going to read or somebody is going to look. I think that would be not the smartest thing to do. Check the stats, check the impact and make your vote. If it's fair, it's fair. You've got to respect everybody's view.
ESPN.com: Does playing in a small market for a team that's not on national television very often put you at a disadvantage when it comes to these type of awards?
Gobert: Definitely. I wish it wouldn't be the case. It might sound like I'm complaining, but I'm not. It's a fact. The people that have the votes, they watch the nationally televised games. When you see something on the stats and when you see something live, it's always different. You may see something in your head when you see something live. It's definitely not an advantage for the teams that don't play however many times on national TV.
ESPN.com: Draymond obviously has a very good case for Defensive Player of the Year. A lot of people point to his versatility, the fact that he can guard so many different positions. You're a true paint-protecting, rim-protecting big man. Do you think a traditional big can have as much of an impact as a guy who can guard basically any position on the floor?
Gobert: Draymond is great at guarding multiple positions and switching, but for myself, I impact people that I'm not guarding. You know? When I'm out there and one of the guards has the ball, I'm not the primary defender, but he knows that if he drives, I'm going to be there. So he's not going to play the same way. That's the way I think the rim protector impacts the game. Any great rim protector doesn't only impact the game when he blocks shots; he impacts the game because he's already in the mind of [opponents] before they even get a shot up or before they even drive. That's what makes a good defensive team.
The good defensive play is not necessarily the blocked shot. I always say that. When I play the best defensive games, it's not necessarily the ones when I get the most blocks. I can get zero blocks and have a great defensive game, just because I was right there at the right time and the guy is probably turning it over or taking bad shots. I don't block it, but it's still great defense and their [shooting] percentage goes way down. I think that's the way you can impact the game without having to switch on to different players.
ESPN.com: Another big man who is in the same mold of you -- not the same player, but same style of center -- you'll see in the first round. That's DeAndre Jordan. Is he a guy that's been kind of a measuring stick for you as you've developed as a young, rim-protecting, screen-setting, finishing big?
Gobert: I don't want to be the guy that gets inspired by one player. I like to watch every player. DeAndre is very good. A lot of people criticize DeAndre because there are a lot of things that he doesn't do well, but the things he does well, he's great. He's a great screener. He's very, very athletic and very powerful. He's a great finisher around the rim. Defensively, he's very vocal and he's been one of the best defensive players for quite a few years now. When I watch DeAndre, I watch the way he sets screens. This summer, I wanted to be one of the best screeners in the game, and you study and take things from these players.
ESPN.com: You've said you believe you're the best big man in the game. I think there's going to be a lot of people who agree with you on their All-NBA ballots. How much are you looking forward to the individual challenge of dealing with DeAndre Jordan in the playoffs?
Gobert: You know, I don't really see that as an individual challenge. That's what I say. I don't guard DeAndre Jordan, I guard the Los Angeles Clippers. It's a five-on-five game. I trust my teammates and their ability to be there when they have to be there. I'm going to be there when I have to be there for them. It's really a team concept, and offense is really a team concept. But he's a very good player, and it's going to be a tough matchup.
ESPN.com: You guys have had by far the best season since you've been in Utah. You broke through and made the playoffs. Fifty wins is a nice milestone. Will the Jazz's season be a success if you don't get past the Clippers in the first round?
Gobert: The regular season will be a success but definitely not the season. I think we are really an ambitious team. We've got a group of guys who want to win. Our goal this season was to make the playoffs, but we want more than that. The Clippers, we all know that's a very good team. They've been around for [several] years, and they don't always win, but they always give their opponent a tough matchup. A few times I think they could have gone further, but they get unlucky and have lost. It's a very good team. We know it's going to be a tough matchup, but we definitely want more. We want to go as far as we can.
ESPN.com: Does playoff experience matter?
Gobert: I mean, I'll tell you that in a few weeks. [Laughs.] Obviously, experience matters in everything. I think playoff experience matters for sure. We're excited. We're very excited. We just want to go out there and win games. We know it's going to be very tough. Whether we do get past the Clippers or not, we just want to go out there and give it the best shot we can and give everything we can.
ESPN.com: How important are the playoffs for you in terms of being on a national stage and getting the kind of showcase that you don't get very often in the regular season to let media and fans see the sort of player you've developed into?
Gobert: I think it's a great opportunity for the world to get to watch the Utah Jazz. They didn't get to see us much [in the regular season], but it's a great opportunity for us to show the world what we can be as a team. There's a lot of fans that only watch the nationally televised games, so it's a great opportunity for us, but that's not why we go out there. We just go out there to try to keep getting better and win games.
ESPN.com: What do you think when you hear your general manager Dennis Lindsey say that they want you to be the Utah Jazz's version of Bill Russell?
Gobert: That means that they want to win games. Bill Russell is one of the greatest players of all time. I've never been a big fan of comparisons. It's a totally different era, a different time, but he's a guy that won 11 championships. I wouldn't be mad if that happens to me.
ESPN.com: Fast forwarding into the summer here. How do you feel about your chances of keeping Gordon Hayward in Utah?
Gobert: I don't really know, to be honest with you. We haven't really talked about it. We're really focused on the season right now and on the moment. I think Gordon is a guy that wants to win with us. We've been through a lot the last few years, and the way we've improved, that wouldn't be great if he leaves us right now. But sometimes you've got some personal choices, and we can't be mad at him if he leaves us. But I think we can accomplish great things in the near future here, so we all want him to stay.
ESPN.com: Are you convinced that you can win a championship with Gordon Hayward as your go-to guy and the core that you have in place?
Gobert: I'm convinced that we can win a championship as a team, yeah. It's not about who the go-to guy is. Gordon is a big part of our team. I'm convinced that we can definitely give it a shot. If we keep getting better, we definitely want to have high expectations and want to aim for the highest goal.